Wanna thanks the original developers, design artists and musicians that made L2 the awesome game it was when I started playing.
I went from private servers(l2x anyone?(yes, the one closed by the fbi)) to oficial server running from lags, off-line servers, bugs and +25 pink weapons(that dint make game so ***** as it is today with:
7s and longing
pvp weapons
pvp armors
destruction scrolls
disgusting $$$$ only broochs and jewels
+++++++++ 47 types of shirts with retarted effects and skills
blessed high grade stones
etc.. )
that make the game a pure pay2win, absolutelly killing the pvp fun.
I tought I was never gonna quit. Actually I had no reason to. Game was fun in every way.
But after GoD this just became a durty gambling machine. And with terrible decisions its completely dependent on the thing that killed it: the bots.
Good fight all the enemys over the years and friends I've made.
For the cheaters I just think you'll could have had so much more fun with that crap turned off. And I wish you all die from na horrible death. :D
And for the incopetent ncsoft, from ceo to forum adm:
**** you. You made me quit.
The ship is sinking, cash out while you can.
Bonus video:
Me getting last sagi hero on Chronos(gf Roshinu) before the Chaotic Fall of Lineage 2. When game as still good. High Five last best update! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHzk0lEutQ
L2 died with GoD, surprised you made it this long past that launch.
Was a good run we had in AE, accomplished much, and had many good times. Now if only I could have gotten you and kean to listen more often and STAY WITH THE FRAKING GROUP !. :D
GL IRL n00dles, may you always aim straight, adena always shower your path and the kookaburra's run free ! :cool:
Oh, btw, have a question to ask you, do you know where any of Delios's AE vid's are on YouTube and if so can you PM me the link's ?
Already got Mystera's from him and the Nightmare line ones are easy to find, can't think of any other' s of note ( I'm pretty sure Delios made the first one saying Orlock won't let the server die when AE started the rebellion against TD as well ) but if you can and know them, include those link's as well plix plox. :D
The only chance of reviving Lineage 2 would be to bring back an older chronicle with a pay2play subscription. Now NCsoft repeatedly stated that this won't happen, but I think we can still hope.
GoD isnt a bad update, really. So it's true, that I bet no one that experienced the awakening would go back to the past chronicles without the feeling of losing smtg - once you prove the power, you cant simple leave it behind.
On another side, if GoD isnt a bad update, so it's the management of it. Bad desgins, bad concepts and the avalanche of ppl willing to pay their as*s out to get whatever makes they shine in a pixel world. That's what killed/is killing L2
THe problem was the store, that after it was introduced its the only thing they care about.
All thoughts, ideias and efforts are all focused on the store to make it work 100% and make more money from time to time.
The game it self and costumers? pff.. **** them. as long as they are buying to make their char stronger they wont have problem.
Wanna thanks the original developers, design artists and musicians that made L2 the awesome game it was when I started playing.
I went from private servers(l2x anyone?(yes, the one closed by the fbi)) to oficial server running from lags, off-line servers, bugs and +25 pink weapons(that dint make game so ***** as it is today with:
7s and longing
pvp weapons
pvp armors
destruction scrolls
disgusting $$$$ only broochs and jewels
+++++++++ 47 types of shirts with retarted effects and skills
blessed high grade stones
etc.. )
that make the game a pure pay2win, absolutelly killing the pvp fun.
I tought I was never gonna quit. Actually I had no reason to. Game was fun in every way.
But after GoD this just became a durty gambling machine. And with terrible decisions its completely dependent on the thing that killed it: the bots.
Good fight all the enemys over the years and friends I've made.
For the cheaters I just think you'll could have had so much more fun with that crap turned off. And I wish you all die from na horrible death. :D
And for the incopetent ncsoft, from ceo to forum adm:
**** you. You made me quit.
The ship is sinking, cash out while you can.
Bonus video:
Me getting last sagi hero on Chronos(gf Roshinu) before the Chaotic Fall of Lineage 2. When game as still good. High Five last best update! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHzk0lEutQ
Wanna thanks the original developers, design artists and musicians that made L2 the awesome game it was when I started playing.
I went from private servers(l2x anyone?(yes, the one closed by the fbi)) to oficial server running from lags, off-line servers, bugs and +25 pink weapons(that dint make game so ***** as it is today with:
7s and longing
pvp weapons
pvp armors
destruction scrolls
disgusting $$$$ only broochs and jewels
+++++++++ 47 types of shirts with retarted effects and skills
blessed high grade stones
etc.. )
that make the game a pure pay2win, absolutelly killing the pvp fun.
I tought I was never gonna quit. Actually I had no reason to. Game was fun in every way.
But after GoD this just became a durty gambling machine. And with terrible decisions its completely dependent on the thing that killed it: the bots.
Good fight all the enemys over the years and friends I've made.
For the cheaters I just think you'll could have had so much more fun with that crap turned off. And I wish you all die from na horrible death. :D
And for the incopetent ncsoft, from ceo to forum adm:
**** you. You made me quit.
The ship is sinking, cash out while you can.
Bonus video:
Me getting last sagi hero on Chronos(gf Roshinu) before the Chaotic Fall of Lineage 2. When game as still good. High Five last best update! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHzk0lEutQ
THe problem was the store, that after it was introduced its the only thing they care about.
All thoughts, ideias and efforts are all focused on the store to make it work 100% and make more money from time to time.
The game it self and costumers? pff.. **** them. as long as they are buying to make their char stronger they wont have problem.
cut the $ and they will listen.
Well the game and content is still good. its the corrupt management from nc west that REFUSES to ban their cash cows. Get rid of them and force a new team to make rational decisions and that are NOT related or friends with players and will be a whole new game.
just look at some threads with peoples replies from NC soft support teams. basically saying " take it to the forums and complain we dont want to hear it." And then those people get banned because they listen to game support.
I lol @ all these players who were here before it went F2P complaining about P2W. If you were here at the time it was P2P there is a 99% chance you probably bought items or adena illegally ( even though you won't admit it ). Now when it's F2P people who can afford to spend more then you are the bad guys. It's okay to Pay 2 Win as long as EVERYONE can afford it. You guys make topics about how the game is dead now because of NCSoft. On the contrary people quit and come back constantly the game is far from dead. The same people that complain are the same ones who quit one day and are back in 2 weeks.
I lol @ all these players who were here before it went F2P complaining about P2W. If you were here at the time it was P2P there is a 99% chance you probably bought items or adena illegally ( even though you won't admit it ). Now when it's F2P people who can afford to spend more then you are the bad guys. It's okay to Pay 2 Win as long as EVERYONE can afford it. You guys make topics about how the game is dead now because of NCSoft. On the contrary people quit and come back constantly the game is far from dead. The same people that complain are the same ones who quit one day and are back in 2 weeks.
I haven't actually quit officially,but I log in less and less and have no urge to play like I used to.
The 10 year events are just about the final nail in the coffin I think.
I lol @ all these players who were here before it went F2P complaining about P2W. If you were here at the time it was P2P there is a 99% chance you probably bought items or adena illegally ( even though you won't admit it ). Now when it's F2P people who can afford to spend more then you are the bad guys. It's okay to Pay 2 Win as long as EVERYONE can afford it. You guys make topics about how the game is dead now because of NCSoft. On the contrary people quit and come back constantly the game is far from dead. The same people that complain are the same ones who quit one day and are back in 2 weeks.
What are you smoking ? Before GoD the people that did RMT were pretty much laughing stock's of the community ( if you were on the buying side anyway's ), good gear came from being in a organized clan and game knowledge. We all knew pretty much who was RMTing to get new shiny item's, and generally they were running jokes, and generally weren't in those organized clan's or lacked that knowledge, of course there are alway's a couple of exception's, but for 99% of them this was the case. Since GoD and the store NC has more and more added P2W as being the accepted norm, and guess what ? The people in the organized clan's still don't have to pay as much as they already have the item's and adena to just trade for the store item's in game.
If you think this game is far from dead, I feel sorry for you. Those of us that were around when the game launched and had to deal with endless queues just to get in game ( Bartz and Teon both had 10k population cap's, double the norm heavy traffic for Chrono's and Naia now ) or the traffic right after Gracia hit, or when GoD first hit know the difference. Heck even fort battles could become and were event's and had meaning. Sorry, the game and the population are a shell of what it once was.
I lol @ all these players who were here before it went F2P complaining about P2W........
Actually these players who were here before it went F2P are the same ones that kept this game alive ;););) till GoD and before you start to complaining about empty servers, population decline, et cetera...and so on....these players were the loyal customers for many years...
F2P didn't kill this game...Bad management did :rolleyes:
To 1Peri1
"I haven't actually quit officially,but I log in less and less and have no urge to play like I used to." It is the same for me ..very sad.
I went from private servers to oficial server running from lags, off-line servers, bugs and +25 pink weapons
What we see in game today?...
Lags... offline servers... bugs... Well, I don't see a red weapon all that often, though. Perhaps, it's not yet the time. But there's alot of other gamebreaking mechanics.
What has been traded to obtain all these bugs, lags and crap?
Diverse and enjoyable mechanics, such as SSQ, complex and involving craft system, and overall game entertainment value.
So... what can I say? What I want to say? The same.
I want to thank the original developers, design artists and musicians that made L2 the awesome game it was before I started playing.
Whoever picked the game development afterward had no idea, what a brilliant he or she threw into the forge of their ambitions, jealousy and greed. :(
The game was dead already the first time they raised a level cap. All ten years of it's history was agony of a dying dream. A dream that desperately tried to survive... but did not managed to get past the fires.
What we see in game today?...
Lags... offline servers... bugs... Well, I don't see a red weapon all that often, though. Perhaps, it's not yet the time. But there's alot of other gamebreaking mechanics.
What has been traded to obtain all these bugs, lags and crap?
Diverse and enjoyable mechanics, such as SSQ, complex and involving craft system, and overall game entertainment value.
So... what can I say? What I want to say? The same.
I want to thank the original developers, design artists and musicians that made L2 the awesome game it was before I started playing.
Whoever picked the game development afterward had no idea, what a brilliant he or she threw into the forge of their ambitions, jealousy and greed. :(
The game was dead already the first time they raised a level cap. All ten years of it's history was agony of a dying dream. A dream that desperately tried to survive... but did not managed to get past the fires.
When they raised the level cap ? No, I think most ( myself as one ) looked forward to each update, if anything, they killed the game a bit with each new chronicle taking to long to implement, leaving a lot of old timer's with nothing to do but twiddle their thumb's.
GoD killed a lot of what L2 used to be about, community most of all.The L2 store and NC's bad management just added insult to injury and poured salt into the gaping wound's.
I lol @ all these players who were here before it went F2P complaining about P2W. If you were here at the time it was P2P there is a 99% chance you probably bought items or adena illegally ( even though you won't admit it ). Now when it's F2P people who can afford to spend more then you are the bad guys. It's okay to Pay 2 Win as long as EVERYONE can afford it. You guys make topics about how the game is dead now because of NCSoft. On the contrary people quit and come back constantly the game is far from dead. The same people that complain are the same ones who quit one day and are back in 2 weeks.
I had never bougth adena. And I came along from private servers totoally alone, not even a single friend to start with over here.
And by clan efforts I got all my gear, actually before the store i had one of the best gear possible in game. And it wasnt easy.
Now every update theres new stuff thats only able to get if u bot adena up or spend thousands on the store.
And ppl are just soooooo blind that they spend all they can and call ppl that complain loosers.
bah **** this i dont care for this ***** game anymore
think what you want.. you all getting farmed by ncsoft and are too blind to see it
That speaks volumes from a person that LITERALLY paid real life money for hero
That was just sarcasm, I don't even have a Topaz and I "LITERALLY" paid arround 50$ on NCoins since GoD. Why do you think i'm still 98? Anyway, Daikon was right about everything that he said. Good luck.
I almost cried while listening to the Talking Island Village theme and seeing the old L2. If Shilen, the Goddess of Destruction, is guilty of one thing, that thing is killing L2. The destruction of Talking Island Village is a symbol for the destruction of old Lineage 2.
Nowadays it's not even the same for me as it is for 1Peri1 and TheWitchcraft, I don't even log in. I just check this forum when I get bored at work.
When they raised the level cap ? No, I think most ( myself as one ) looked forward to each update, if anything, they killed the game a bit with each new chronicle taking to long to implement, leaving a lot of old timer's with nothing to do but twiddle their thumb's.
GoD killed a lot of what L2 used to be about, community most of all.The L2 store and NC's bad management just added insult to injury and poured salt into the gaping wound's.
I agree, that raising a level cap alone was not a deal breaker, while the game was still evolving. SSQ, Manor, raids, et cetera. It was a good time.
But it broke the calculated balance of acquiring and loosing experience, which was the core driving point of all pve/p/everything interaction in L2.
When they realized that people can no longer acquire enough exp to dump it on a next siege and still manage the level cap, lucky charms were introduced.
P.S.
Who remember the times when S grade was at level 67 instead of 76?
So it was not like 20+20+12+9+15, with a down between A and S about as long as the time to get the A-grade itself, but more like 20+20+12+9+6, with about the same time between grades, and a good margin paste S-grade to allow for exp buffer of hardcore pvp.
I agree, that raising a level cap alone was not a deal breaker, while the game was still evolving. SSQ, Manor, raids, et cetera. It was a good time.
But it broke the calculated balance of acquiring and loosing experience, which was the core driving point of all pve/p/everything interaction in L2.
When they realized that people can no longer acquire enough exp to dump it on a next siege and still manage the level cap, lucky charms were introduced.
P.S.
Who remember the times when S grade was at level 67 instead of 76?
So it was not like 20+20+12+9+15, with a down between A and S about as long as the time to get the A-grade itself, but more like 20+20+12+9+6, with about the same time between grades, and a good margin paste S-grade to allow for exp buffer of hardcore pvp.
Erm, you really lost me on that one. I played from CB all the way till GoD ( took a little break around Gracia, to clear my head, was alway's a officer/leader in clan, and one need's a break from babysitting eventually ) and this was never the case.
I'm a little foggy on it but I do think it may have read that way at one point, but the problem was S grade did not exist. By the time S grade was actually implemented in game you most certainly had to be 76 to wear your shiny new toy's. Maybe this was different on PS, but not on the official ones.
On the siege thing, L2 was a hardcore game back then, not for the faint of heart, so it never bothered me much. They also later made all siege zones no XP loss zones to get more involved in it. Also every time they raised the level cap, they made it easier to obtain the previous ones, something that p1ssed a lot of oldtimer's off every time they did so since newcomer's had absolutely no clue what we went through to obtain our level's, so they trivialized what we had done before.
I honestly miss the XP loss you could incur back then. It made PvP and hunting down your enemy far more satisfying when you won, and more excruciating when you lost, as it should be. There should be reward's and penalties when you strive for something, it makes it more meaningful in the end.
S-grade expertise (passive skill) did exist long before any updates, when level cap was at 70.
Items, too. If I recall correctly, the first character that reached a level 70 received a gift (Drac bow, he was an archer, perobably Silver Ranger).
On getting ******... I covered that earlier already. Whoever picked the game development, had no idea what they have at hand, and began to borrow ideas from other titles, that had nothing in common, beside being an online games.
S-grade expertise (passive skill) did exist long before any updates, when level cap was at 70.
Items, too. If I recall correctly, the first character that reached a level 70 received a gift (Drac bow, he was an archer, perobably Silver Ranger).
On getting ******... I covered that earlier already. Whoever picked the game development, had no idea what they have at hand, and began to borrow ideas from other titles, that had nothing in common, beside being an online games.
I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and just say you are remembering incorrectly. Here;s a link legacy.lineage2.com/news/chronicle3_09.html. As you can see, that's C3 and they had just introduced A grade, never mind S grade and as you can also clearly see they had already introduced subclasses, which mean's ? Yeah you guessed it, cap was 76. In C4 they introduced nobles, olympiad, hero's and S grade, here's that link legacy.lineage2.com/news/chronicle4_09.html.
Like I said, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and your memory is fogging on this one. Like I remember 75 as alway's being the cap, but your saying it was 70 at one point and that sound's strangely correct to me, prelude maybe ? Take my word for it though, yes S passive existed, but did you no good since S grade did not exist, by the time S grade was implemented in game, you had to be 76 to wear your shiny new set.
GoD killed a lot of what L2 used to be about, community most of all.
I agree....while there are still exceptions....I've never seen such an entitled (give me give me give me) crowd before. It used to be a world where you had to work hard for everything........it's changed into a spoiled brat world....easy everything, and your options are as limitless as your wallet.
I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and just say you are remembering incorrectly. Here;s a link legacy.lineage2.com/news/chronicle3_09.html. As you can see, that's C3 and they had just introduced A grade, never mind S grade and as you can also clearly see they had already introduced subclasses, which mean's ? Yeah you guessed it, cap was 76. In C4 they introduced nobles, olympiad, hero's and S grade, here's that link legacy.lineage2.com/news/chronicle4_09.html.
Yes, it was Interlude. And thank you for the link. Cleaned my memory a little bit.
As much as I miss the old L2 (Before GoD) and even though I do not play (I've logged in twice in 5 months) I have to admit it makes me smile :):):)to see the game in such a poor state and only getting worse and with players leaving daily. Only because I think NCsoft needs to shut this game down once and for all, they have ruined it and are only making a joke out of what used to be a great game.
I haven't actually quit officially,but I log in less and less and have no urge to play like I used to.
The 10 year events are just about the final nail in the coffin I think.
Me too. The moment I realized that I have to pay to get my benefits I realized that this was like saying I need to work for my retirement at the moment I retire.
NCKorea Logic about customer service. NCWest cowardliness for not standing up or making logical suggestions to Korea or hiring a negotiator for that matter.
bah **** this i dont care for this ***** game anymore
think what you want.. you all getting farmed by ncsoft and are too blind to see it
i just logged in to quote this. When game was pay2play everyone was "omg i am not going to waste money to play on official" and now they are spending more than 3k dollars per month to earn stupid rewards.
As soon ppl realized that and stop spending real money to this crap, ncwest will close immediatelly but ncwest is thinking "oh wait, we have stupid customers , they're paying good, no need to do anything, just add more on store and they will buy it".
IF, ONLY IF ppl open their ***** eyes, ncwest will count days till the conclusion.
And i will make a huge party celebration in Seattle when ncwest close.
PS: ban incoming, but, in my balls, i will make a new account and spam here :D
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU STUPID PLAYERS, YOU ARE GIVING YOUR MONEY TO A COMPANY WHO DOESN'T DESERVE IT.
NCwest didn't understand anything. I dont think GOD is a bad update. But Ncwest are incompetent for sure.
I'm testing innova atm, and honestly, I congratulate innova's team for keeping core server legit as much as possible.
advantage on innova: no bots, less lags, cheaper prices on l2store, premium account system who look like really good.
advantage on ncwest: lot of bots, huge lags, amazing price on l2store, lot of ++++ weapons/gears, lot of automated toons in pvp/sieges.
if someone is disgusting from ncwest, he should try innova, he will be surprised.
I thought a thousand times on moving to innova. But i'm afraid of getting bored there, since i'm from Brazil, and i'll surely have a huge lag there.
I agree with all points from n00dles, and i'd love to play a "clear" game again.
Could you guys really say if innova worth it ? Even with the lag i would have there, if someone guarantees me that it worth, since there's no bots, i could give it a try.
Thank you !
Innova is good compared to ncwest. Bots are starting to making their appearence there and they're getting banned with delay and not insta. (at least they are banned!)
I have a 99 char there and yeah it's pretty good. You talk with real players and not with bots, lol, but the only problem is the RMT thing ... Everyone is bying adena/items from other websites and that made me a little bit "sick". I've quitted Innova :P
adena spammers etc, there are no where. Those are getting insta ban once they spam a website contains RTM or anything else. PT matching list is also clear ;)
I lol @ all these players who were here before it went F2P complaining about P2W. If you were here at the time it was P2P there is a 99% chance you probably bought items or adena illegally ( even though you won't admit it ). Now when it's F2P people who can afford to spend more then you are the bad guys. It's okay to Pay 2 Win as long as EVERYONE can afford it. You guys make topics about how the game is dead now because of NCSoft. On the contrary people quit and come back constantly the game is far from dead. The same people that complain are the same ones who quit one day and are back in 2 weeks.
before free to play, if someone want to have a bottrain they need to pay for every account and the gear the bots ll use, if nc banned this bottrain, the owner lost money for real, not like is now, when nc ban an bottrain today, the owner have another one setup to go with gear that cost nothing.
before free to play, 1milion adena = 1,2 dollar, how much is it now? so back there if someone want to buy a frintezza he ll spend 200+ dollar only for a tezza.
before free to play, we play cos we like the game, and the hard grinding, nothing was easy, thats why the LOLPLAYERS from private servers with DONATOR SYSTEM that want to have all without effort never come to retail.
when these lolplayers, the kind of ppl who prefer pay for something than play for it saw that ncsoft change the game for p2w, they came and f*ucked the game for the ones who really wants to play the game.
I thought a thousand times on moving to innova. But i'm afraid of getting bored there, since i'm from Brazil, and i'll surely have a huge lag there.
I agree with all points from n00dles, and i'd love to play a "clear" game again.
Could you guys really say if innova worth it ? Even with the lag i would have there, if someone guarantees me that it worth, since there's no bots, i could give it a try.
Thank you !
i sold my toon here, and move there, go there u ll see the diferent right on login, since u cant login more than 2 account from 1 pc without paying ur subscription.
i just logged in to quote this. When game was pay2play everyone was "omg i am not going to waste money to play on official" and now they are spending more than 3k dollars per month to earn stupid rewards.
As soon ppl realized that and stop spending real money to this crap, ncwest will close immediatelly but ncwest is thinking "oh wait, we have stupid customers , they're paying good, no need to do anything, just add more on store and they will buy it".
IF, ONLY IF ppl open their ***** eyes, ncwest will count days till the conclusion.
And i will make a huge party celebration in Seattle when ncwest close.
PS: ban incoming, but, in my balls, i will make a new account and spam here :D
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU STUPID PLAYERS, YOU ARE GIVING YOUR MONEY TO A COMPANY WHO DOESN'T DESERVE IT.
I agree the management is bad, they should offer more care to their customers, I'd like to see GMs, they should ban every bot/script/RMT user actively.
But otherwise L2 is still a FANTASTIC game! And still the best game out there with nothing coming even close. I still love that game and would everyone recommend to try it out or come back to it.
Today you can enjoy L2 even as casual.
So in short:
NC West -> must improve. Maintainance today is maybe a frist step in the right direction.
L2 -> still unrivaled the best game, period.
Wanna thanks the original developers, design artists and musicians that made L2 the awesome game it was when I started playing.
I went from private servers(l2x anyone?(yes, the one closed by the fbi)) to oficial server running from lags, off-line servers, bugs and +25 pink weapons(that dint make game so ***** as it is today with:
7s and longing
pvp weapons
pvp armors
destruction scrolls
disgusting $$$$ only broochs and jewels
+++++++++ 47 types of shirts with retarted effects and skills
blessed high grade stones
etc.. )
that make the game a pure pay2win, absolutelly killing the pvp fun.
I tought I was never gonna quit. Actually I had no reason to. Game was fun in every way.
But after GoD this just became a durty gambling machine. And with terrible decisions its completely dependent on the thing that killed it: the bots.
Good fight all the enemys over the years and friends I've made.
For the cheaters I just think you'll could have had so much more fun with that crap turned off. And I wish you all die from na horrible death. :D
And for the incopetent ncsoft, from ceo to forum adm:
**** you. You made me quit.
The ship is sinking, cash out while you can.
Bonus video:
Me getting last sagi hero on Chronos(gf Roshinu) before the Chaotic Fall of Lineage 2. When game as still good. High Five last best update! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHzk0lEutQ
Let me guess, you just put in $$$$$$ and failed at playing the 1 armed bandit (slot machine).
P.S. Archeage beta is supposed to be released in June.
Let me guess, you just put in $$$$$$ and failed at playing the 1 armed bandit (slot machine).
P.S. Archeage beta is supposed to be released in June.
No James, he just got sick of it, that's n00dles/Daikon from AE you dweeb, you know, same clan as you and I and the rest ? Btw, sent Ryan your contact info's, another lurker. :D
No James, he just got sick of it, that's n00dles/Daikon from AE you dweeb, you know, same clan as you and I and the rest ? Btw, sent Ryan your contact info's, another lurker. :D
I know, I was just giving him a hard time. I can't believe it took this long. I have no interest in talking with Ryan after he burned me. See you and noodles in Archeage beta maybe? It'd be a nice place to start I think.
i just logged in to quote this. When game was pay2play everyone was "omg i am not going to waste money to play on official" and now they are spending more than 3k dollars per month to earn stupid rewards.
As soon ppl realized that and stop spending real money to this crap, ncwest will close immediatelly but ncwest is thinking "oh wait, we have stupid customers , they're paying good, no need to do anything, just add more on store and they will buy it".
IF, ONLY IF ppl open their ***** eyes, ncwest will count days till the conclusion.
And i will make a huge party celebration in Seattle when ncwest close.
PS: ban incoming, but, in my balls, i will make a new account and spam here :D
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU STUPID PLAYERS, YOU ARE GIVING YOUR MONEY TO A COMPANY WHO DOESN'T DESERVE IT.
i just logged in to quote this. When game was pay2play everyone was "omg i am not going to waste money to play on official" and now they are spending more than 3k dollars per month to earn stupid rewards.
As soon ppl realized that and stop spending real money to this crap, ncwest will close immediatelly but ncwest is thinking "oh wait, we have stupid customers , they're paying good, no need to do anything, just add more on store and they will buy it".
IF, ONLY IF ppl open their ***** eyes, ncwest will count days till the conclusion.
And i will make a huge party celebration in Seattle when ncwest close.
PS: ban incoming, but, in my balls, i will make a new account and spam here :D
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU STUPID PLAYERS, YOU ARE GIVING YOUR MONEY TO A COMPANY WHO DOESN'T DESERVE IT.
WAKE UP !
All I ask is you players remain stupid so I can take your money too when I create my own game.
NC America knows the truth about bots, they even covered it up in their policy that they are not tasked to actually observe in game dynamics.
So that is part one of the cover up.
Part 2, do you really think they would let a game die to bots if they didn't' have some type or types of profit out of it?
And then there is the conspiracy theory, that from the start off, it was NC soft running all the bots and the adena selling company's to cash in extra money because their pay is too crappy...
then thirdly, they actually NEED bots now, if they would take away the bots the population of all the servers would have to get merged into one server, not enough live players anymore, because they all left BECAUSE of the nots and if NC soft Korea finds that out.... it's bye bye L2 and the staff gets a big kick in the butt and loses their adena selling company's.
NC America knows the truth about bots, they even covered it up in their policy that they are not tasked to actually observe in game dynamics.
So that is part one of the cover up.
Part 2, do you really think they would let a game die to bots if they didn't' have some type or types of profit out of it?
And then there is the conspiracy theory, that from the start off, it was NC soft running all the bots and the adena selling company's to cash in extra money because their pay is too crappy...
then thirdly, they actually NEED bots now, if they would take away the bots the population of all the servers would have to get merged into one server, not enough live players anymore, because they all left BECAUSE of the nots and if NC soft Korea finds that out.... it's bye bye L2 and the staff gets a big kick in the butt and loses their adena selling company's.
Who tells you that NCkorea doesnt do the same thing? At this point it's all about milking the cow's last drops of money. Just do what i do, dont spend any money and don't play any NCsoft games anymore.
I love this game, and have played it for many years. With that being said you are right on every level. NCSOFT sucks big monkey balls. I have reported with video, so many bots and yet today they are still here, still botting, and most of them now hero's or in top clans using scripts to PVP cause they cannot do it themselves. NCSOFT has yet to ban anyone I have reported and if I had to guess that would be around 100+ in the last few months. I think when they say mass bans I think they mean the 2 dwarfs that used to run and die in dion lol. Point is for the legit player, NCSoft and its "gm's" have failed us and lets the bots and ppl win the game. So **** you NCsoft and I will never play another game you make! : unless you make a lineage 3 :)`
Who tells you that NCkorea doesnt do the same thing? At this point it's all about milking the cow's last drops of money. Just do what i do, dont spend any money and don't play any NCsoft games anymore.
L2 is actually quite healthy on the Asian server's and they never have really had a problem with bot's at all. The Asian server's and probably the two companies renting L2, L2EU-4game and L2RUJ will still be healthy long after they close down L2NA.
If you will notice this does not include royalties and franchises ( L2EU and L2RU ), as for bot's, you can just go to their board's yourself ( you will need google translate obviously ), they have never had a problem with bot's, they cultureal view on thing's is different then our's. Though oddly they have np problem with farming and RMTing to us, LOL. L2NA was alway's just a drop in the bucket for L2, even at it's height here.
So, no sarcasm, and there is plenty of proof out there, on Rochand if you want translated stuff, ton's in Korean, just use google translate, and some here and there in English, google is your friend in this area. :cool:
Actually they do have bots, especially in pre-85 areas (and mostly Chinese), due to the payment model (pre-85 the game is free, it becomes paid time only after Awakening).
That's the main reason the lowbie areas mobs have nothing of value in their spoil tables.
Koreans servers are flooded with bots. No need to google, these subjects are widely discussed on rochand.
Crossroads, hellbound and 85- areas nerfs are all anti-bot measures, cause their servers cant handle it on human way (no resources for man power or proper software).
Posts about bots are fast deleted from their(nck) forums.
If you will notice this does not include royalties and franchises ( L2EU and L2RU ), as for bot's, you can just go to their board's yourself ( you will need google translate obviously ), they have never had a problem with bot's, they cultureal view on thing's is different then our's. Though oddly they have np problem with farming and RMTing to us, LOL. L2NA was alway's just a drop in the bucket for L2, even at it's height here.
So, no sarcasm, and there is plenty of proof out there, on Rochand if you want translated stuff, ton's in Korean, just use google translate, and some here and there in English, google is your friend in this area. :cool:
So sales were higher for L1 than L2, and they close down L1. Must be NCsoft logic.
So sales were higher for L1 than L2, and they close down L1. Must be NCsoft logic.
Only over there, over here we were down to one or two server's with a small, but hardcore following. On the bot's, I could be mistaken, I haven't been looking at the Korean site's forum's since GoD hit really, but they never indicated a bot problem before. The Chinese, Japanese and Korean server's are all separate entities btw.
at the end ndsoft dosent ******* care cause idiots are just buying nccoin non stop so they dont even bother to censor this thread anymore.
I have a msg to the stupid ******* that buy nccoin non stop:
Keep buying it pls, more and more. I'll love the look on your face, you **** that helped kill this game, when they close the servers and you lost all the money u wasted here.
The Chinese, Japanese and Korean server's are all separate entities btw.
This doesn't stop the Chinese from subscribing to the Korean servers and put their bot armies there.
Even Korean players own bot armies, btw. Some people published pics of bot armies, showing undeniable proof that the botting situation has gone haywire even in the magical lands of Korean servers.
This doesn't stop the Chinese from subscribing to the Korean servers and put their bot armies there.
Even Korean players own bot armies, btw. Some people published pics of bot armies, showing undeniable proof that the botting situation has gone haywire even in the magical lands of Korean servers.
The server's are separate, to play on Korean server's you actually need a Korean SSI, or phone number and be over 14 for whatever reason, and obviously play from a Korean IP. This is actually to keep out the Chinese more so then the Japanese because their software law's are radically different, but the Japanese law's differ as well.
I suppose you could still get in via proxy, and a lot of subterfuge, but it's seem's to me to be a whole lot of effort for very little gain. On the bot issue there, like I said I am somewhat dated on their forum's, haven't read anything there since GoD hit and I first retired. If you could provide link's, I would be interested in reading them, but I have no desire to go and translate their forum's to find the info. Anyone that has done it in the past know's what a headache doing so entail's. It's not even a translation issue so much, its a concept and phrasing post translation issue, just reading even the translated stuff can give you a headache. But like I said, I would be interested in any link's you can provide outlining their present bot issue's.
Came back for abit, thought it would've been nice to play casually again.
Just in time for the brooch **** to arrive. P2W is a horrible, horrible idea.
If it's paying for adena or even existing items, it would still have been "ok"... but having items (that actually increases stats by a significant amount) that are exclusively for people who pay for it, never thought NCSoft would get that low.
It's been a year. How are things with the brooch system?
If it's possible to get lvl 2-3 jewels without paying RL cash, then I may consider some casual play... I don't need or even want to be top of the server, but if I can at least not be a complete non-factor in fights due to lack of lv4-5 jewels, then I'm fine with that...
It's been a year. How are things with the brooch system?
If it's possible to get lvl 2-3 jewels without paying RL cash, then I may consider some casual play...
The brooch system is one of a very few things that's really worth investing some money.
I mean, I would not buy xp runes and any other L2store items of that kind (too overpriced, and barely useful in my case, as I don't grind much), but the brooch jewels do help significantly increase performance at the expense of a relatively small amount of money.
And yes, it is possible to get them without paying RL cash (if you buy them from players) but it depends on your ability to raise your adena funds. A few billions should be enough! ;)
If you will notice this does not include royalties and franchises ( L2EU and L2RU ), as for bot's, you can just go to their board's yourself ( you will need google translate obviously ), they have never had a problem with bot's, they cultureal view on thing's is different then our's. Though oddly they have np problem with farming and RMTing to us, LOL. L2NA was alway's just a drop in the bucket for L2, even at it's height here.
So, no sarcasm, and there is plenty of proof out there, on Rochand if you want translated stuff, ton's in Korean, just use google translate, and some here and there in English, google is your friend in this area. :cool:
3rd Quarter of 2012? Do you have something more recent? Something else that doesn't stink of "I remember scoring the winning touchdown in my senior year of high school and now I'm the captain of my counter crew at Admiral Pegleg Pete's Fish Fry"?
The earnings report for the 1st fiscal quarter 2015 should get published on or around May 13, downloadable from the ncsoft.com link :)
Thanks for the fresh info, Yidao. However, without a breakdown of each individual games' income per region, we can never know how each game is doing from quarter to quarter. Reading only the bar graphs that would be relevant to us, it shows that Korea's sales (total of all games, which is not broken up what games were selling most vs least) are rising and NCSoft West's sales are declining (and again, we can't tell if it's because Wildstar, Aion, or L2 that is not pulling in the income, because it's not broken down into individual game's income.)
Most ppl's qqing here are just loosers... they can't win simple game so coming here and qq about bots and dying game lol just quit it thats all, nobody want read it rofl.
Only ppl that play 1h/day cry about bots, making videos about legit players that they better and talk they are bots and reporting, and after cry ncsoft don't ban them :D
Not only l2 have problem with bots, "problem" for me bots are good lol. All games have same, full of bots, but look.... 1 year ago when full GF was botted, 80% normal players had gem-r for make weapons, armors... now ncsoft banned GF and what ? go buy gem-r in mammon for 1.5m each and cry more lol, with bots all AH's was full of items, now all is poor... ppl quit beacuse most of them have a lot time for play and just nothing to do :D L2 is not game for crying babys, if you can't handle this game... just quit and let others play and owning all :D
Thanks for the fresh info, Yidao. However, without a breakdown of each individual games' income per region, we can never know how each game is doing from quarter to quarter. Reading only the bar graphs that would be relevant to us, it shows that Korea's sales (total of all games, which is not broken up what games were selling most vs least) are rising and NCSoft West's sales are declining (and again, we can't tell if it's because Wildstar, Aion, or L2 that is not pulling in the income, because it's not broken down into individual game's income.)
Wildstar has nothing to do with NCWest. That game is managed by Carbine Studios, a separate entity - like ArenaNet for Guildwars.
That being said, you are basically right. For details about the performance of individual games in specific regions we have only what Kim Taek-jin says during his Powerpoint presentation, what is written at the top of the slides. At the moment those statistics are of limited value anyway, because there are one-time effects from Lineage 2 Classic in Korea and Russia. But last Wednesday the first server merge (3 -> 1) happened in Korea, and the same 3 -> 1 is scheduled for Russia: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1356&p=31230#p31219
Keep in mind, there is a time delay for those earnings reports. What you see in the statistics I posted on Rochand is what happened last autumn, and what you will see in two weeks is what happened from January to March. I have no idea how Aion is doing, but at least as far as Korea and Taiwan are concerned, Lineage 2 is on an inexorable decline. Check last Sunday's siege in Korea: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1473&start=80#p31263
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For us this doesn't matter anyway. Only Cryo and Juji are pure L2 men, the rest of the staff at NCWest (Vali, Spam ...) are dual purpose employees, spending most of their time on Aion. When the servers are shut down, those people will simply work not 70% but 100% on Aion. Through the account migration our log-in has been made compatible with Aion's e-mail system, NCoins are valid for both games, so any remaining balance can be used on Aion when L2 comes to an end. No problem. Happiness all around :)
The earnings report for the 1st fiscal quarter 2015 should get published on or around May 13, downloadable from the ncsoft.com link :)
Finally, Juji will be fired, right ?
Not necessarily. I am sure that for a highly competent man like Juji employment can be found elsewhere in the company. Like for example when Chief Developer Nam Taek-rim needed to be sacrificed to appease the enraged masses, he was not fired but moved sideways into Overseas Development. He is the man who nowadays makes our patches :)
Not necessarily. I am sure that for a highly competent man like Juji employment can be found elsewhere in the company. Like for example when Chief Developer Nam Taek-rim needed to be sacrificed to appease the enraged masses, he was not fired but moved sideways into Overseas Development. He is the man who nowadays makes our patches :)
So he's the one responsible for nerfing drop rates? They should have just straight up fired the guy.