NcWest we have here some serious problem with balance due to old skills.
I understand pplz enchanted skills and etc i had toons myself with +30 full skills who basicly got canseled and rewarded by some useless amount of Lesser giants power. In fact the amounts wasnt so great and i would prefer srly keep my skills but what happen that happent.
The situation now is rly bad noone can play in oly versus certain pattern of chars who kept old skills enchanted to +30 or kept some skills like mystic immunity on ISS. Any ISS who kept those skills will keep perma heroes without any chances to other players.
This is serious disbalance in olympiad and this should be fixed with like it was done in korea. You HAVE TO remove OLD skills after awakening. Compensate enchanted ones.This is my personal opinion and THIS HAVE TO BE DONE.
like Fathips or something like that (doomcryer hero from Nova)
He have mystic inm/elemental resistances+ + + + + + thats kinda op and the only thing bs he got hero to ez
Same thing with ppl who keep duelist spirit ++ on tyrs.
Olders chars have an imba adventage
NcWest we have here some serious problem with balance due to old skills.
I understand pplz enchanted skills and etc i had toons myself with +30 full skills who basicly got canseled and rewarded by some useless amount of Lesser giants power. In fact the amounts wasnt so great and i would prefer srly keep my skills but what happen that happent.
The situation now is rly bad noone can play in oly versus certain pattern of chars who kept old skills enchanted to +30 or kept some skills like mystic immunity on ISS. Any ISS who kept those skills will keep perma heroes without any chances to other players.
This is serious disbalance in olympiad and this should be fixed with like it was done in korea. You HAVE TO remove OLD skills after awakening. Compensate enchanted ones.This is my personal opinion and THIS HAVE TO BE DONE.
Only bug is when someone have old skill without sacrifice of new skill. For example tyrr titans with duelist spirit+guts+frenzy. This is bug and should be fixed, but you know NCWest..
Yeah buddy, if you keep and old skill and sacrifice a new one, like keeping rapid fire and not learning mind eye, or keeping rapidshot and leave quick fire, thats fine ;)
Yeah buddy, if you keep and old skill and sacrifice a new one, like keeping rapid fire and not learning mind eye, or keeping rapidshot and leave quick fire, thats fine ;)
bs those skills cannot be enchanted to +power.
Now at Valliance 3th class skills cannot be enchanted anymore...
Only bug is when someone have old skill without sacrifice of new skill. For example tyrr titans with duelist spirit+guts+frenzy. This is bug and should be fixed, but you know NCWest..
like Fathips or something like that (doomcryer hero from Nova)
He have mystic inm/elemental resistances+ + + + + + thats kinda op and the only thing bs he got hero to ez
Same thing with ppl who keep duelist spirit ++ on tyrs.
Olders chars have an imba adventage
never happened before (in another chronicles)
Btw idk what is the point to prohibit 3th class skill enchanting
Over enchant gear/99-99-80-80/ Dark stuff/epics jewells/ NCstore unique items(like rudolph/shiny elemental shirts/jewells-brooch/ and others) should be enought adventage above new players
Actually OE gears and stuffs can be made even by new players if they have $$$ to spend ...
About OE 3rd skills...well yeah , that's something that should be fixxed...but atm i guess you can't make skills +30 on awakening...since at +15/17 chance is like 1%...?
But they should srsly fix it...for example...i've a friend who was tyrr duelist , he had Sonic rage ... when he had to choose the class with lindvior , he became tyrr doombringer...and he kept his Sonic rage...now with valiance , Sonic rage skills is a bit stronger than before , and also cast the p.def debuff...and he have the new Sonic rage even if he is tyrr doombringer...and ofc , he also have duelist spirit...
Actually OE gears and stuffs can be made even by new players if they have $$$ to spend ...
About OE 3rd skills...well yeah , that's something that should be fixxed...but atm i guess you can't make skills +30 on awakening...since at +15/17 chance is like 1%...?
But they should srsly fix it...for example...i've a friend who was tyrr duelist , he had Sonic rage ... when he had to choose the class with lindvior , he became tyrr doombringer...and he kept his Sonic rage...now with valiance , Sonic rage skills is a bit stronger than before , and also cast the p.def debuff...and he have the new Sonic rage even if he is tyrr doombringer...and ofc , he also have duelist spirit...
This don't change the fact actually he's not suppose to have sonic rage or either duelist spirit on a doombringer ^^
Like some othells who still have Dash instead of Shadow Dash :D
I dont consider a bug because the devs willingly left these skills as remnants from pre-god. The skill is exchanged after, that sonic rage has less power than a enchanted hurricane blaster, so it doesnt matter. Your friend is actually loosing by keeping it.
However , it definitly is unintended that you can add free skills to a character, while on the same archtype classes u gotta exchange it and isnt free.
I dont consider a bug because the devs willingly left these skills as remnants from pre-god. The skill is exchanged after, that sonic rage has less power than a enchanted hurricane blaster, so it doesnt matter. Your friend is actually loosing by keeping it.
However , it definitly is unintended that you can add free skills to a character, while on the same archtype classes u gotta exchange it and isnt free.
U can also have thrill fight + guts+frenzy .
How do you get these bugged skills? My duelist spirit on my dread has to be exchanged for zerk.
As long as you don't gain the new skill I don't see a problem. The only problem I see is people with actual bugged skills. They should allow you to enchant these skills again or delete people's enchanted ones because no one can duplicate that. You can make a dread or titan with duelist spirit now.
titan doesnt have berserk, thats why, duelist spirit, is a free skill.
exactly all those +30 duelist spirits or iss have crazy advantage in class based oly with angel touch+ mystic imunity. What allows him perma protection from debuffs. Classes like necros or any other iss who rely on debuffs and its important to debuff at certain moments just can't do it due those EX prophets rerolled with those destiny stones and chaos essences etc etc.
This is not right. In korea those skills was removed and it was given lesser giants essences. That what should be done in NCwest aswell its my opinion.
Im old player in fact since C1 and a lot of ppl complain about this.Even thou they geting very good gear and buy l2 store stuff to get better still can't compete with old +30 skills.
Prophet iss +30 resist = +150 any atribute defence even more dont remember exact numbers. This play huge role in CB oly. Has to be fixed.
exactly all those +30 duelist spirits or iss have crazy advantage in class based oly with angel touch+ mystic imunity. What allows him perma protection from debuffs. Classes like necros or any other iss who rely on debuffs and its important to debuff at certain moments just can't do it due those EX prophets rerolled with those destiny stones and chaos essences etc etc.
This is not right. In korea those skills was removed and it was given lesser giants essences. That what should be done in NCwest aswell its my opinion.
Im old player in fact since C1 and a lot of ppl complain about this.Even thou they geting very good gear and buy l2 store stuff to get better still can't compete with old +30 skills.
Prophet iss +30 resist = +150 any atribute defence even more dont remember exact numbers. This play huge role in CB oly. Has to be fixed.
+30 skills do not exist for awakened chars.
The highest you can possibly take an old 2nd job skill is +20 and even that was 1% success rate. It's not that the skill coudlnt be enchanted higher but the success rate becomes effectively 0%. Most OE's will be between 10 and 15. Blessed enchants going 19 to 20 were 54mil adena each at 1% chance.
The highest you can possibly take an old 2nd job skill is +20 and even that was 1% success rate. It's not that the skill coudlnt be enchanted higher but the success rate becomes effectively 0%. Most OE's will be between 10 and 15. Blessed enchants going 19 to 20 were 54mil adena each at 1% chance.
oO dude i personaly have +20 pasive and i could go +21 if i had ballz to waste my adenas. So don't tell me about it. And there was some updates with amazing adena drops a while ago :D. All those AKA old skills includind mine have to be removed. Thats all.
oO dude i personaly have +20 pasive and i could go +21 if i had ballz to waste my adenas. So don't tell me about it. And there was some updates with amazing adena drops a while ago :D. All those AKA old skills includind mine have to be removed. Thats all.
Nope, and that is the bottom line. Old skills are here to stay here and in korea as they are inexorably linked to choices players make. Further you are being told because you invited your betters to tell you how it is.
oO dude i personaly have +20 pasive and i could go +21 if i had ballz to waste my adenas. So don't tell me about it. And there was some updates with amazing adena drops a while ago :D. All those AKA old skills includind mine have to be removed. Thats all.
i can borrow to you an atomic bomb if you want revenge :D
The highest you can possibly take an old 2nd job skill is +20 and even that was 1% success rate. It's not that the skill coudlnt be enchanted higher but the success rate becomes effectively 0%. Most OE's will be between 10 and 15. Blessed enchants going 19 to 20 were 54mil adena each at 1% chance.
There are many people with +25 those old skills.
Remember the update that gave to orcs (and to othels 99 iirc) immortal scrolls for every enchanted level of every enchanted awakended skill?
I got ~35 immortal scrolls and I was only a poor guy 93 lvl....
They just have to bring back enchanting options on 3rd class skills. Wtf they want no new players? Why they want to have some players way stronger?
Nope, and that is the bottom line. Old skills are here to stay here and in korea as they are inexorably linked to choices players make. Further you are being told because you invited your betters to tell you how it is.
Genuflect on the way out.
Then explain me a fliping reason why those "aka" choices are forbiden to make now ? So let me awaken an iss enchant fliping resists and keep mystic imunity. Wtf is this "old and newbie" discrimination ? Let me Chose what i want to enchant now why its forbiden at the moment ? What a genius made this decision if its so linked to OUR PLAYERS choices ?
There are many people with +25 those old skills.
Remember the update that gave to orcs (and to othels 99 iirc) immortal scrolls for every enchanted level of every enchanted awakended skill?
I got ~35 immortal scrolls and I was only a poor guy 93 lvl....
They just have to bring back enchanting options on 3rd class skills. Wtf they want no new players? Why they want to have some players way stronger?
Then explain me a fliping reason why those "aka" choices are forbiden to make now ? So let me awaken an iss enchant fliping resists and keep mystic imunity. Wtf is this "old and newbie" discrimination ? Let me Chose what i want to enchant now why its forbiden at the moment ? What a genius made this decision if its so linked to OUR PLAYERS choices ?
Because I have played for 10 years. My dedication to this game over the last decade is to be rewarded. There is no comparison, nor should there be.
You think the reward to the old* players should be to make them imbalanced forever?
Shouldn't instead be work on behalf of the company that you supported in order to keep this game alive by bringing new players?
What do you think a new player will say when he reaches 95+ lvl and sees that he can never win?
PS. Most people that have +25 skills didn't support the game till it became free. In fact old players that were 85 when GoD started and awakened first were the ones to fall into the trap.
*And by old I don't mean more than 2 years in the game.
Because I have played for 10 years. My dedication to this game over the last decade is to be rewarded. There is no comparison, nor should there be.
I play since BETA ! and i realise this is NONSENCE! Tell me about IT. I play 10 years and some ISS have 100% resistance all time DUE this stupidity ! I land on him debuff. emmm NEVER.
There are many people with +25 those old skills.
Remember the update that gave to orcs (and to othels 99 iirc) immortal scrolls for every enchanted level of every enchanted awakended skill?
I got ~35 immortal scrolls and I was only a poor guy 93 lvl....
They just have to bring back enchanting options on 3rd class skills. Wtf they want no new players? Why they want to have some players way stronger?
Completely agreed. Non selfish reaction on things what happening. Some new guy do not know. But like 95 lvl + he realise he won't have those choices. So why should new player do something further if he know 100% Never will get those +25 powerfull skills.
I understand we invested money etc but this make rly unfair competition.
I play since BETA ! and i realise this is NONSENCE! Tell me about IT. I play 10 years and some ISS have 100% resistance all time DUE this stupidity ! I land on him debuff. emmm NEVER.
You think the reward to the old* players should be to make them imbalanced forever?
Shouldn't instead be work on behalf of the company that you supported in order to keep this game alive by bringing new players?
What do you think a new player will say when he reaches 95+ lvl and sees that he can never win?
PS. Most people that have +25 skills didn't support the game till it became free. In fact old players that were 85 when GoD started and awakened first were the ones to fall into the trap.
*And by old I don't mean more than 2 years in the game.
<-- didnt fall into the trap, could CLEARLY see how crap some of the new skills were.
Lets be real here, everyone was able to get their skills OE'd up prior to valiance. This is what over 2 years sice GoD launched?? if you didnt do something about it then its your own fault. Anyhow the game moves forward, I don't care if people think its unfair, there are a moderate amount of characters who kept old skills and an even smaller subsection that got the OEs high enough to matter.
There are lots of things that are not fair in this game, its what adds to the conflict. L2 is not an FPS, nor should it be.
MI prophets are excellent *NOW*, but they give up Battle Rhapsody for it .. so basically they have been shunned up until right now as everyone wanted BR during the last majority of GoD. MI prophets should be rewarded for their sacrifice, it paid off.
<-- didnt fall into the trap, could CLEARLY see how crap some of the new skills were.
Lets be real here, everyone was able to get their skills OE'd up prior to valiance. This is what over 2 years sice GoD launched?? if you didnt do something about it then its your own fault. Anyhow the game moves forward, I don't care if people think its unfair, there are a moderate amount of characters who kept old skills and an even smaller subsection that got the OEs high enough to matter.
There are lots of things that are not fair in this game, its what adds to the conflict. L2 is not an FPS, nor should it be.
MI prophets are excellent *NOW*, but they give up Battle Rhapsody for it .. so basically they have been shunned up until right now as everyone wanted BR during the last majority of GoD. MI prophets should be rewarded for their sacrifice, it paid off.
Translation:
Hey newcomers come to this unfair game where you will never have the chance to compete against the older players. We will kill you in game and mock you. Oh and we don't want this game to become fair so give up hope now.
Translation:
Hey newcomers come to this unfair game where you will never have the chance to compete against the older players. We will kill you in game and mock you. Oh and we don't want this game to become fair so give up hope now.
It's coming your way Diego.Noone gives a **** about your choices or even if you **** in public places, things will happen as they want em to happen and you probably will be compensated with good amount of lesser essence of the giants (or w/e its called).
Hold your pants :>
<-- didnt fall into the trap, could CLEARLY see how crap some of the new skills were.
Lets be real here, everyone was able to get their skills OE'd up prior to valiance. This is what over 2 years sice GoD launched?? if you didnt do something about it then its your own fault. Anyhow the game moves forward, I don't care if people think its unfair, there are a moderate amount of characters who kept old skills and an even smaller subsection that got the OEs high enough to matter.
There are lots of things that are not fair in this game, its what adds to the conflict. L2 is not an FPS, nor should it be.
MI prophets are excellent *NOW*, but they give up Battle Rhapsody for it .. so basically they have been shunned up until right now as everyone wanted BR during the last majority of GoD. MI prophets should be rewarded for their sacrifice, it paid off.
Translation:
Hey newcomers come to this unfair game where you will never have the chance to compete against the older armies of bots and pvp automation scripting hacktards. We will kill you in game and mock you. Oh and we don't want this game to become fair so give up hope now.
Fixed
But yes, if I was a new player (which I would be if I ever came back to this game, which I won't), this would help me understand much better.
Nope, and that is the bottom line. Old skills are here to stay here and in korea as they are inexorably linked to choices players make. Further you are being told because you invited your betters to tell you how it is.
I viewed my main, dual and my subs as a part of a whole. I play SM iss and i wanted my subs to assist its performance and not just be there for subclass certificates, so among others i made an EE sub. I've invested in over enchanting its prayer for time, so i could buff my party with it, before giving iss buffs and it'd last till end of an instance/RB.
I OEd my EE's stun resist for power (quite an amount of adena wasted there) and enchanted some other EE buffs to a lovely +10.
I did it to assist my toon in small hunting/pvp groups that my not so populated =P clan can produce.
But since my EE is just a sub and not an awakened class, the enchants were removed on it, all i invested was for nothing. So about player choices...
If they won't take my choices and my work on my subs, which were designed to assist my main class, into account, I see no reason as to why let main classes keep their over enchanted 2nd/3rd class skills.