I want the 20 minutes of my life back spent looking over this game before I downloaded. I want my other 10 minutes of time back spent creating a character.
Last NC Soft game I played was Tabula Rasa. What happened to that mmo left a bad taste in my mouth so I steered clear from NC Soft until now. It seems the first impression they gave me was correct.
You dumped Tabula Rasa to clear room for this trash? Graphics are decent but the movement is worst then a 80s game. How in the world is this garbage of a game even pulling in revenue.
I was tempted to spend some money and try out NC Soft new game. There is no chance of that happening now. My account was cancelled because I hadn't used it since 08 when Tabula Rasa was cancelled. So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
No worries. Your entire game lineup is garbage. All of it. Garbage. No customer service to help a former paying customer to get set up. But no worries dont need any help now since your games are garbage. Please do me a favor and lock this account also. Garbage.
So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
Nope. "Veteran" rewards were only for the ones actually playing this game, not Tabula Rasa.
And this game is 11 years old (including Korean release in the count), I don't know what you expected in terms of graphics, some kind of FFXIV clone perhaps?
Nope. "Veteran" rewards were only for the ones actually playing this game, not Tabula Rasa.
And this game is 11 years old (including Korean release in the count), I don't know what you expected in terms of graphics, some kind of FFXIV clone perhaps?
Bai bai troll.
Yep you belong here if you can't even read a post correctly.
I said the graphics were decent but the movement sucked.
I don't want veteran rewards. I never stated such.
I don't play final fantasy or craptastic games like this one you are defending.
Yep you belong here if you can't even read a post correctly.
I said the graphics were decent but the movement sucked.
I don't want veteran rewards. I never stated such.
I don't play final fantasy or craptastic games like this one you are defending.
Tif was basically asking what were you expecting out of an eleven year old game ? So she was right on point, maybe read what she wrote and you'll get it.
As for the movement, its fine, maybe you were lagging ? This game isn't really made for WASD, so if you were going that route, oh well.
If you spent twenty minutes looking the game over like you said before even DLing it, well, did you perhaps expect to see something other than what you had already watched ?????????????
The movement is what it is, if you can't adapt to click to move it's okay, we won't cry over losing the kind of player you are.
And for the record... I'm perfectly capable of moving with click to move, WASD and right click movement in 3 different games, how come you don't have such adaptability?
And you can't really read posts, since you didn't understand you weren't eligible for any promotion... Because there aren't. The only promotion was the veteran rewards that were given out on the 10 years anniversary. And you wouldn't have been eligible anyway.
Oh, weren't you going to ragequit with you first post? That's why I called you a troll, I was sure you would come back to answer.
I want the 20 minutes of my life back spent looking over this game before I downloaded. I want my other 10 minutes of time back spent creating a character.
Last NC Soft game I played was Tabula Rasa. What happened to that mmo left a bad taste in my mouth so I steered clear from NC Soft until now. It seems the first impression they gave me was correct.
You dumped Tabula Rasa to clear room for this trash? Graphics are decent but the movement is worst then a 80s game. How in the world is this garbage of a game even pulling in revenue.
I was tempted to spend some money and try out NC Soft new game. There is no chance of that happening now. My account was cancelled because I hadn't used it since 08 when Tabula Rasa was cancelled. So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
No worries. Your entire game lineup is garbage. All of it. Garbage. No customer service to help a former paying customer to get set up. But no worries dont need any help now since your games are garbage. Please do me a favor and lock this account also. Garbage.
Everyone has a different taste man, be polite about your overview of the game, like we are about your Tabula Rasa. Although Tabula Rasa is an uber garbage, we don't go into your forum and state that. Cheers :rolleyes:
I want the 20 minutes of my life back spent looking over this game before I downloaded. I want my other 10 minutes of time back spent creating a character.
Last NC Soft game I played was Tabula Rasa. What happened to that mmo left a bad taste in my mouth so I steered clear from NC Soft until now. It seems the first impression they gave me was correct.
You dumped Tabula Rasa to clear room for this trash? Graphics are decent but the movement is worst then a 80s game. How in the world is this garbage of a game even pulling in revenue.
I was tempted to spend some money and try out NC Soft new game. There is no chance of that happening now. My account was cancelled because I hadn't used it since 08 when Tabula Rasa was cancelled. So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
No worries. Your entire game lineup is garbage. All of it. Garbage. No customer service to help a former paying customer to get set up. But no worries dont need any help now since your games are garbage. Please do me a favor and lock this account also. Garbage.
actually it can be argued Tabula Rassa wrecked this game. No joke. NCSoft used the money they made out of this game and lineage proper to finance that money pit Garriott produced .. you know ... instead of making NCWest take care of the games that actually made them money. Advertize them, police them etc. They bought into Garriott's bs, (who by the way was producer for this game for the NA/Europe territories before TR) and they pretty much haven't recovered from the aftermath yet.
Author was the same Richard Garriott that many veterans here hold responsible for ruining L2 in the West.
He didn't ruin L2 here or start its decline, thats all NCsoft.
actually it can be argued Tabula Rassa wrecked this game. No joke. NCSoft used the money they made out of this game and lineage proper to finance that money pit Garriott produced .. you know ... instead of making NCWest take care of the games that actually made them money. Advertize them, police them etc. They bought into Garriott's bs, (who by the way was producer for this game for the NA/Europe territories before TR) and they pretty much haven't recovered from the aftermath yet.
NC did not support that game as they stated they would because it did not receive the subscription base they had hoped for, and while I'm not a fan of it, it did spawn many other games based on its combat playstyle, which was unique when it came out.
He actually won 28 million $ from NCsoft for termination and breech of contract from not supporting that game or implementing changes he set out for it.
As for him previously being the producer for L2 here, thats just a title, NCwest has never had a dynamic change from NCsoft's patch's, producer is just a glorified title for leading the team that re codes L2 into our language for over here, NC even went so far many times as to not including content they got over there and blindly insisting what works over there would work here as well without listening to their consumer base at all.
Both games shortcomings lead back to one place alone, NCsoft.
Blaming any of NC's staff over here, past, present and future is pointless, as its been demonstrated time and again NCsoft will not listen to them.
I want the 20 minutes of my life back spent looking over this game before I downloaded. I want my other 10 minutes of time back spent creating a character.
Last NC Soft game I played was Tabula Rasa. What happened to that mmo left a bad taste in my mouth so I steered clear from NC Soft until now. It seems the first impression they gave me was correct.
You dumped Tabula Rasa to clear room for this trash? Graphics are decent but the movement is worst then a 80s game. How in the world is this garbage of a game even pulling in revenue.
I was tempted to spend some money and try out NC Soft new game. There is no chance of that happening now. My account was cancelled because I hadn't used it since 08 when Tabula Rasa was cancelled. So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
No worries. Your entire game lineup is garbage. All of it. Garbage. No customer service to help a former paying customer to get set up. But no worries dont need any help now since your games are garbage. Please do me a favor and lock this account also. Garbage.
Can I have your stuff? oooh wait you didn't even try it for more than 10 mins.
I get why some blame him, but all he was, and people following him are is scapegoats for NCsoft's policies. We have had NCwest staff actually go to bat for us over the years, the home office shoots them down 99.9% of the time, just saying lay the blame at the feet of the people it really belongs at, NCsoft.
They didn't put a westerner in charge to implement changes that reflect our market, thats just the way they wanted it to look, they put a westerner in charge in hopes we would swallow their updates whole believing change could come if we gave impute. In short, they use the staff over here as they always have, and will, as scapegoats.
Thing is in a business sense it flies in theory, extra coding changes just for a different market cost money and make no sense if they can be avoided. But in a practical sense, the changes they would have to have made would have been very minor, they are just hidebound, even if staff here says they can implement a change that works for us at no cost to them, they won't do it.
The only thing they really would have had to spend money on over here was advertising, and when it would have mattered, they would have raked in a windfall if they had listened, and of course extra staff, but they were to shortsighted and only weighed the immediate gains. Same as they are doing now, trying to rake in those last dollars and ignoring they are killing L2 here in the long run.
I want the 20 minutes of my life back spent looking over this game before I downloaded. I want my other 10 minutes of time back spent creating a character.
Last NC Soft game I played was Tabula Rasa. What happened to that mmo left a bad taste in my mouth so I steered clear from NC Soft until now. It seems the first impression they gave me was correct.
You dumped Tabula Rasa to clear room for this trash? Graphics are decent but the movement is worst then a 80s game. How in the world is this garbage of a game even pulling in revenue.
I was tempted to spend some money and try out NC Soft new game. There is no chance of that happening now. My account was cancelled because I hadn't used it since 08 when Tabula Rasa was cancelled. So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
No worries. Your entire game lineup is garbage. All of it. Garbage. No customer service to help a former paying customer to get set up. But no worries dont need any help now since your games are garbage. Please do me a favor and lock this account also. Garbage.
So the time you spent downloading it, you had fun? I am only guessing because you don't seem to want that time back so...
Also they hardly dumped Tabula Rasa to make room for L2 considering L2 is 11 years old, at least do some research before you spew crap.
What promotion are you talking about? Also why the bash on customer service? What did you want them to do to help you get set up? Give you a welcome package with all the stuff you need or something?
I will give you the garbage....ncsoft just milking their last days while all the crew scrambling for a new job. scripts/bots cant be stopped...the state of the top pvp game is just pathetic and any/all who try to get to the top are rudely awakened. so just be happy with the 10 year old crap game or keep telling yourself how you can make a difference. dont support the legal means...be an outlaw and you might have a chance...all legal players are just fodder.
I get why some blame him, but all he was, and people following him are is scapegoats for NCsoft's policies.
Don't deceive yourself. Richard Garriott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Garriott) is personally responsible for the downfall of NCWest, not only because of Tabula Rasa but also because of what he did to Lineage 1. Actually this is the reason why the later Producers over here never were permitted any real powers or influence over the game design again. You will find a detailed example for the Garriott-problem here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1136&start=80#p23849
I want the 20 minutes of my life back spent looking over this game before I downloaded. I want my other 10 minutes of time back spent creating a character.
Last NC Soft game I played was Tabula Rasa. What happened to that mmo left a bad taste in my mouth so I steered clear from NC Soft until now. It seems the first impression they gave me was correct.
You dumped Tabula Rasa to clear room for this trash? Graphics are decent but the movement is worst then a 80s game. How in the world is this garbage of a game even pulling in revenue.
I was tempted to spend some money and try out NC Soft new game. There is no chance of that happening now. My account was cancelled because I hadn't used it since 08 when Tabula Rasa was cancelled. So I get my account locked out because I might have been eligeable for some promotion when they went f2p.
No worries. Your entire game lineup is garbage. All of it. Garbage. No customer service to help a former paying customer to get set up. But no worries dont need any help now since your games are garbage. Please do me a favor and lock this account also. Garbage.
There never has been, nor will there ever be, refunds on time.
Can I have your stuff? oooh wait you didn't even try it for more than 10 mins.
That's about how long I played GOD before I quit.
So the time you spent downloading it, you had fun? I am only guessing because you don't seem to want that time back so...
Also they hardly dumped Tabula Rasa to make room for L2 considering L2 is 11 years old, at least do some research before you spew crap.
What promotion are you talking about? Also why the bash on customer service? What did you want them to do to help you get set up? Give you a welcome package with all the stuff you need or something?
Really??
Tif was basically asking what were you expecting out of an eleven year old game ? So she was right on point, maybe read what she wrote and you'll get it.
As for the movement, its fine, maybe you were lagging ? This game isn't really made for WASD, so if you were going that route, oh well.
If you spent twenty minutes looking the game over like you said before even DLing it, well, did you perhaps expect to see something other than what you had already watched ?????????????
I'd have to say it looks more to me like Tif was white knighting the game while trolling the OP. She quotes "veteran" like it was what he was talking about. And his response was spot on to her claim of "in terms of graphics...". If she "was basically asking what he was expecting out of an eleven year old game", I would have left out the "In terms of..."
Also, in terms of the wasd movement, he never said anything about it should be like that. He just said the movement was worse than 80's games (I don't even know if pc games had movement in the 80's...). I think we can all agree here the pathing in which you click to move from A to B is probably the worst we have seen. If there is a 2 inch tall and 1inch wide rock in you way, you get stuck. That movement is pretty bad. It's not hard to program characters to see objects and move around them when moving from A to B.
The OP did seem a little upset, but he felt it was worth (not sure why since we know nc doesn't listen) coming to the forums and expressing his opinion.
To the OP:
You won't find much here but trolls and delusional people. I wouldn't waste your time with this game if you are unhappy with it. I'm trying out Archeage atm and having fun with that. Maybe you could too. Just a suggestion.
Don't deceive yourself. Richard Garriott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Garriott) is personally responsible for the downfall of NCWest, not only because of Tabula Rasa but also because of what he did to Lineage 1. Actually this is the reason why the later Producers over here never were permitted any real powers or influence over the game design again. You will find a detailed example for the Garriott-problem here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1136&start=80#p23849
Elmat, did you notice that what the players had asked for was given, and led directly to the problem ? Also that player was somewhat biased, blinded, part of the problem with the updates is they didn't convert over with that change, and simply put, while Lineage had a loyal following here, it was small, Lineage never took off here really, the west was EQ land, even more so than on the scale of WoW vs. L2 popularity. I could get way more into it, but lets just say NC was happy not updating over here, and some of the player base did what they do here as well, blindly blame the team over here for everything.
Some players here blindly blame the current and past support team for everything, while NC won't let them make any changes even when they want to. NC did and does well on their home turf and assume what they do there will work here, ignoring the fact it won't.
On the Garriott issue, do you really believe he was stealing money from Peter to pay Paul when NC owned the rights for all the games ? TR was his concept, but NC owned the rights and was the publisher, they directed the funding, something people tend to overlook, why do you think he won 28 million from them ? Once over there in courts, twice here as NC appealed it, NC likes having scapegoats around for their own mistakes.
I'd have to say it looks more to me like Tif was white knighting the game while trolling the OP. She quotes "veteran" like it was what he was talking about. And his response was spot on to her claim of "in terms of graphics..."
The OP did seem a little upset, but he felt it was worth (not sure why since we know nc doesn't listen) coming to the forums and expressing his opinion.
To the OP:
You won't find much here but trolls and delusional people. I wouldn't waste your time with this game if you are unhappy with it. I'm trying out Archeage atm and having fun with that. Maybe you could too. Just a suggestion.
James, read what he wrote, he said he spent time watching the game and looking into it before he even DLed it, what was he expecting, it to magically be something other then what he had seen ? Graphic's wise L2 was ahead of its time, but its a very old dog now, its amazing that it still holds up, though they went way overboard with sparkly effects on everything since GoD.
As for veteran rewards, we did have them here, so Tif probably thought he meant them, when he was never eligible for them as he wasn't a veteran L2 player returning to his old account. He meant the veteran rewards from TR where players were given a months free time on other NC games if they took them, what did he expect going into a F2P game from something he was supposed to cash in years ago ? Free time in a F2P game ? Seriously ?
bla bla i force my mom to do humiliating adult movies to fund my L2 addiction bla bla derp
bla bla im a fat flying tutty bla bla
Just ignore those 2.
This game is alive simply because the ppl that uses illegal programs and has built their entire life revolving around L2 pumps in so much cash.
The game itself are quite enjoyable but the "steering" is kinda weird when ur not used to it. I would recommed you to atleast give it a week, if it wasnt so much bots and other soulsucking "Happenings" on the servers that eventually you will quit anyway.
Clearly someone doesn't know much about programming.
Sorry, what I meant to say is "It's not hard for professionals to program characters to see objects and move around them when moving from A to B."
You can set private members to:
point a
point b
objectsInBetween
objectsInBetweenRadius
pointAtoBPath
then just input the class algorithms to calculate the math values and you are set.
That better?
Most games these days are able to interact with objects. Think the stratagy pattern. Or, since this game is 11 years old and the code probably looks like crap, use the adapter pattern (because we know nc will never waste their time with re-factoring).
What Kim Taek-jin can be blamed for is a lack of supervision, giving carte blanche to Garriott instead of firing him as soon as his madness became apparent. Rock stars are to be avoided at all cost. But like everybody else in the corporate world, our esteemed CEO was driven by greed, believing that the science fiction sector would be profitable to expand into. This was an error that NCsoft never recoverd from :D
James, read what he wrote, he said he spent time watching the game and looking into it before he even DLed it, what was he expecting, it to magically be something other then what he had seen ? Graphic's wise L2 was ahead of its time, but its a very old dog now, its amazing that it still holds up, though they went way overboard with sparkly effects on everything since GoD.
As for veteran rewards, we did have them here, so Tif probably thought he meant them, when he was never eligible for them as he wasn't a veteran L2 player returning to his old account. He meant the veteran rewards from TR where players were given a months free time on other NC games if they took them, what did he expect going into a F2P game from something he was supposed to cash in years ago ? Free time in a F2P game ? Seriously ?
He said he wanted the 20 minutes back for looking into the game before he downloaded it, and the 10 minutes back he spent on creating a character. This means he downloaded the game and attempted to try it, unless he means creating an account and not character. But I only go by off what he says in the post, not what I think he means (which is the mistake many posters here make).
As far as what he expected, we don't know. He never said what his expectations were. But jumping to conclusions on what he expected based upon a few cons (graphics NOT being one of them) he said about this game is only an irrational way of thinking. That isn't going to solve anything.
Maybe instead, you could have said something like "whats wrong with the movement?", "what were you expecting when you came to this game?"
instead of...
"what were you expecting? This game is 11 years old, were you expecting awesome graphics?"... not allowing him to respond, "oh you were? okay then bye troll".
What Kim Taek-jin can be blamed for is a lack of supervision, giving carte blanche to Garriott instead of firing him as soon as his madness became apparent. Rock stars are to be avoided at all cost. But like everybody else in the corporate world, our esteemed CEO was driven by greed, believing that the science fiction sector would be profitable to expand into. This was an error that NCsoft never recoverd from :D
Eh, I don't believe it, NC knew what was going on, they didn't win the lawsuits, he did. The sci fi field was ripe to be moved into, they just mismanaged that as well, which was part of his lawsuit as well. The combat concept he designed for TR was copied by many games afterwards, the problem's TR had was the crafting system, no auction house and slow updates, all things once again on NC's end.
He said he wanted the 20 minutes back for looking into the game before he downloaded it, and the 10 minutes back he spent on creating a character. This means he downloaded the game and attempted to try it, unless he means creating an account and not character. But I only go by off what he says in the post, not what I think he means (which is the mistake many posters here make).
James, that time he spent should have shown him exactly what he was getting into, hence if he didn't like what he saw he never should have bothered DLing it in the first place.
The movement is exactly as you view it, if you prefer WASD and thats the issue, you can do that as well if you wish, but L2 doesn't have strafing, nor will you find vid's showing strafing in L2 out there to mislead you.
James, that time he spent should have shown him exactly what he was getting into, hence if he didn't like what he saw he never should have bothered DLing it in the first place.
The movement is exactly as you view it, if you prefer WASD and thats the issue, you can do that as well if you wish, but L2 doesn't have strafing, nor will you find vid's showing strafing in L2 out there to mislead you.
How is that the issue when he never mentioned WASD? He also never mentioned anything about strafing...
I should have put the quotation marks on "rewards" instead of veteran.
After all, veteran rewards for the 10 years anniversary were an absolute joke for most veterans. Not that I count among them, but I can relate to their disappointment.
Not counting the fact that the "veteran" capes that were gifted to loyal players were eventually put in the L2store.
Also, regarding movement. The OP only said the movement sucks. He didn't explain why or what he didn't like.
So we posters were left wondering if he meant click to move, which is one common objection among those negative posters that come here on the boards to make drama about how this game sucks because it's click to move.
Sorry, what I meant to say is "It's not hard for professionals to program characters to see objects and move around them when moving from A to B."
You can set private members to:
point a
point b
objectsInBetween
objectsInBetweenRadius
pointAtoBPath
then just input the class algorithms to calculate the math values and you are set.
That better?
Most games these days are able to interact with objects. Think the stratagy pattern. Or, since this game is 11 years old and the code probably looks like crap, use the adapter pattern (because we know nc will never waste their time with re-factoring).
Yep it is. And yea by the looks of the game, I don't think they even have anything to check if there are objects in the way since your character keeps trying to run into the object so Id imagine they would need to write an algorithm to detect the objects, then to correct the path, which you are right isn't really too hard but it's still more work than NC probably cares to do. Plus it's not like it's a game breaking thing so.
How is that the issue when he never mentioned WASD? He also never mentioned anything about strafing...
He complained about the movement, which as I said is exactly as you see it in vid's, he didn't mention pathing issues which is the tangent you chose James.
I just expanded on the movement as pre emptive if he came back and mentioned WASD or stafing was all. Take that out and its even more glaring, what you see is what you get, so what the hell was he expecting ?
He complained about the movement, which as I said is exactly as you see it in vid's, he didn't mention pathing issues which is the possibility you chose James.
I just expanded on the movement as pre emptive if he came back and mentioned WASD or stafing was all. Take that out and its even more glaring, what you see is what you get, so what the hell was he expecting ?
Fixed.
Exactly, he complained about the movement only. Not what was wrong with it in detail.
I'm not saying he was talking about WASD or Pathing, I'm saying we don't know, and since we don't know, it's irrational to come to the conclusion he was talking about one or the other. Think psychology 101, where humans jump to conclusions when they don't understand something.
The pathing I mentioned was just an example of maybe he was not talking about WASD.
As to your question of what was he expecting? We don't know. He hasn't made that clear. Again, all he did was list a few cons and left the forums after getting trolled (who failed at it) by Tif.
I wasn't trolling, I was blindly assuming what he wanted to complain about since he simply insulted his way out of here.
If so, I'd say it was the OP who was trolling. And he was successful, since you're still debating his post, while no one else here cares.
Hint: Tabula Rasa was born and discontinued after L2 his the Western market. Only an ignorant person (or a troll) would ever use TR as an argument against L2.
you can strafe in the game it's just not something that can be done easily using the mouse/keyboard, and using the gamepad has limited ability also.
but when you use a gamepad, the 8 way toggles effectively instantly turn you to run effectively strafing.
if only i could map a and d to act as those toggle directions...
or maybe the toggle on a nostromo could be used for movement, never tried it.
Tif was basically asking what were you expecting out of an eleven year old game ? So she was right on point, maybe read what she wrote and you'll get it.
As for the movement, its fine, maybe you were lagging ? This game isn't really made for WASD, so if you were going that route, oh well.
If you spent twenty minutes looking the game over like you said before even DLing it, well, did you perhaps expect to see something other than what you had already watched ?????????????
He has a point there. Movement in this game is generally terrible.
It only seems fine to you because you have been playing it forever and because you have some irrational urge to defend every waking thing about it.
But the click to move system coupled with the bad collision detection does make for a crappy movement system.
This game is alive simply because the ppl that uses illegal programs and has built their entire life revolving around L2 pumps in so much cash.
The game itself are quite enjoyable but the "steering" is kinda weird when ur not used to it. I would recommed you to atleast give it a week, if it wasnt so much bots and other soulsucking "Happenings" on the servers that eventually you will quit anyway.
What in the hell is a "tutty". who is the real troll here? editing a post in a quote is just plain flaming.
There never has been, nor will there ever be, refunds on time.
Unless you wanna build a time machine.
Not even then, or his future self would have gone back in time and stopped his past self from downloading the game.
That said, he's probably ignorant in whatever point in time that you find him. Or doesn't he know that he could have easily gone to Youtube or any number of websites for a preview of this game, its mechanics, etc., before committing to download it?
Not even then, or his future self would have gone back in time and stopped his past self from downloading the game.
That said, he's probably ignorant in whatever point in time that you find him. Or doesn't he know that he could have easily gone to Youtube or any number of websites for a preview of this game, its mechanics, etc., before committing to download it?
He has a point there. Movement in this game is generally terrible.
It only seems fine to you because you have been playing it forever and because you have some irrational urge to defend every waking thing about it.
But the click to move system coupled with the bad collision detection does make for a crappy movement system.
I defend this game and everything about it ? Clearly you don't read many of my posts, my point was he researched the game and should have known ahead of time what he was getting, and shouldn't have bothered DLing it in the first place.