I havent played much lately as all my friends of many years have quit the game due to pvp script users, but this update was a hope for more fun. the problem for me is that its not much fun.
a few things i dont like:
dimensional barrier is a souped up kartia instance where only the top 1% of players will benefit(and thats if those 1% have a brain and arent just bots).
the nerf on drops/adena.
the color changes on the weapons(pink is not better than red/orange).
the new ui stinks(keep it simple stupid).
watching hero chat with "fu *****" typed while ncvali is logged in game.
and the overall feeling that no new player is ever going to be competitive with the current setup/structure.
nah he means you need very good gear to make it past floor 30..
I don't like the hidden nerfs like the adena drops as ppl will be poor the moment they hit 85 and in my case the nerf on Knights Frenzy as the forced new skill can't be oe'd so the duration went down in half..
I always hate it when you have a new race that is limited to its own race specific content, especially quests. There is nothing worse than having to compete with literally hundreds of people for quest zones/hunting spots. They should have left some of the quests as a player option.
Take the level 40 quest to Alligator Island. Ertheia's can't do it. Instead, they have a quest in Cruma. Why not give the option of doing one or the other, if not both if they're within the level range?
Is there some secret reason dimensional barriers will only allow the top 1 percent to participate in it? Please elaborate.
I went in a few times with different players of avg gear and could only get thru the 1st few floors. considering this goes up to 35, I think most players will give up on this due to they can only complete 10% of the barrier. hopefully. in addition, seems only the best tyr,dagger,iss,archers will be wanted to get to the top floors.
no matter, my point is its not fun for all, just a few.
My power bluff, mass trick, mischief skills finally work.
Ertheia are pretty.
Relaxing login screen.
Tanks got lower time on the replacement skill for knight frenzy.
Archers got lower atk. speed from quick fire.
I want to fire whoever thought that pink glows on weapons were cool.
I don't own a pink weapon, but the colour of the glow offends me.
yea, its pretty bad, I almost dont want to even log in my toon anymore just so i dont have to look at it, but so many other toons have pink weapons now its just so demoralizing. nothing lethal about the color pink! maybe flower transformations will be next
What don't I like? That's a huge list. So I will just stick with my top top grieveances.
1) The infinitely massive nerf to adena, mat and equipment drop rates.
2) The excessive amount of grinding required to get through the pointless levels (levels 1-95, and even through level 98 [I can already picture all the vitriol dripping from everyone's chin when they read this])
3) How much more hp level 85+ mobs have. Specifically the mobs under level 85 are killable in one to two attacks, and that is fun for me. Having to go through multiple rotations just to kill one level 85+ mob isn't fun for me, I'm sure other people have a different preference.
4) How stupid the new race is and how much the new races lore and implementation insults Kamael fans. NC essentially kicked Kamaels out of the spotlight (and turned them into just another generic L2 race) so they could place the new race there and then gave the new race the seperate skills, seperate class system, seperate subclass system, seperate quests and seperate lore that used to belong to the Kamaels. And the new race is in every race excessively similar to the old Kamaels, right down to the new class types and origins. Except the race makes even less sense from an in game perspective, especially considering they have no wings at all and are only female. How? Why? NC just stopped caring about L2 lore several major updates ago.
5) New changes in Erteia that are going to require even more unfun grinding/more spending. I didn't see a single positive change in this update for players at my level with my amount of play time. Not one single positive change.
6) There aren't any enjoyable and rewarding solo grinding zones at my level, and I hate the group grinding zones where it's basically just stand in one place and mash your keys over and over again until you get carpal tunnel syndrome. At least in solo grinding zones I can move around the entire zone to try breaking the tedium.
7) Instances are stale and unenjoyable, especially because like group grinding zones they are basically just stand in one place and mash your keys. But that's probably a necessity for a click to move game like this, which is one reason why click to move was a terrible design decision.
5) New changes in Erteia that are going to require even more unfun grinding/more spending. I didn't see a single positive change in this update for players at my level with my amount of play time. Not one single positive change.
6) There aren't any enjoyable and rewarding solo grinding zones at my level, and I hate the group grinding zones where it's basically just stand in one place and mash your keys over and over again until you get carpal tunnel syndrome. At least in solo grinding zones I can move around the entire zone to try breaking the tedium.
7) Instances are stale and unenjoyable, especially because like group grinding zones they are basically just stand in one place and mash your keys. But that's probably a necessity for a click to move game this, which is one reason why click to move was a terrible design decision.
So thanks for absolutely nothing NC.
this is kinda how i feel too. what were they thinking? I dont want it easy, but this is just pathetic. they nerf all the good things players like and implement all the stuff players hate it seems.
2) The excessive amount of grinding required to get through the pointless levels (levels 1-95, and even through level 98 [I can already picture all the vitriol dripping from everyone's chin when they read this])
Your picture is accurate and has come true because anyone that has experience with this game will tell you saying the game is grind intensive is laughable. I can just picture you playing this game in Prelude.
Install L2, play for five minutes, uninstall L2, /slit wrists. :rolleyes:
^ Yep
I mean "excessive amount of grinding" ? Are you serious? It's easier to level up than its ever been since GoD launched. Especially 1-95. And there's no grinding involved. Do dailies, do couple of RBs a day, CH instance.. 1-95 in a month or two. Depending how many of those things you do.
Have you tried playing before Valiance, without RBs? or Even before Kartia was introduced?
Grinding was All you Could do. Let alone in the olden days.
taking away shots from path of awakening bonus, how the heck are you supposed to afford shots with the adena nerf and not being provided any at all?
Isn't that obvious? you're not supposed to afford shots.
adena and just about everything can be bought from the l2 store...i dont mind the money aspect as I have it....its the blatent cheats that wont allow me to support the game. a lvl 90 toon with cheats enabled can smoke my 40,000 dollar toon and its not because i suck, its cause a program is cancelling all my moves.
I know 10+ major cheaters i game who make over $2000 each a month and all have been hit/banned before on minor accounts. but ncwest never got their main money pile...so its obvious they allow it to me as all these cheaters have been playing much longer than my 5+ years. whenever things get sketchy, clanleaders start switching positions...only reason for that is insider trading imo.
that is a problem...even many of the top players clan dont so you are not alone. probably why the game is dying; and the gm's dont mess with those that do cheat.
I have probably spent more in the last year than a gm makes in salary...so i expect no sympathy.
I havent played much lately as all my friends of many years have quit the game due to pvp script users, but this update was a hope for more fun. the problem for me is that its not much fun.
dude, seriously, you answer and replied your own "question" at the same time and again you made the same stupid mistake.
You and your friends have quit the game cuz of scripts etc but yes, only the update is "fun" (maybe).
Servers have become even worse.
^ Yep
I mean "excessive amount of grinding" ? Are you serious? It's easier to level up than its ever been since GoD launched. Especially 1-95. And there's no grinding involved. Do dailies, do couple of RBs a day, CH instance.. 1-95 in a month or two. Depending how many of those things you do.
Have you tried playing before Valiance, without RBs? or Even before Kartia was introduced?
Grinding was All you Could do. Let alone in the olden days.
In older days,good stuff were still dropping from mobs and lvl cap didnt raise like hell,this was giving a meaning to grinding.Also the distance between top botters/ebayers and good/active players wasnt huge,since the top items that only botters could afford werent many.Ourdays a top geared party using all pvp potions/scrolls/agathions ect from l2store has SO big difference from a party having only ingame gear,there's simply nothng to do.
Thats why grinding ourdays looks that boring,cause it gives nothing.
In older days,good stuff were still dropping from mobs and lvl cap didnt raise like hell,this was giving a meaning to grinding.Also the distance between top botters/ebayers and good/active players wasnt huge,since the top items that only botters could afford werent many.Ourdays a top geared party using all pvp potions/scrolls/agathions ect from l2store has SO big difference from a party having only ingame gear,there's simply nothng to do.
Thats why grinding ourdays looks that boring,cause it gives nothing.
Back when the grind really was a grind is the point though, you can't call what we have now a serious "grind". There's already a 96 + Ertheia one day after patch, before you say bot, not going there and the point is when the cap was 70 you wouldn't have seen a 66 after day one, never mind that you wouldn't have seen a level 20 class changed, even if you had some turbo charged bot program, which didn't exist yet anyways.
The grind today is a joke and the word "grind" isn't even applicable, thats the only point we were making.
The grinding is excessive because it is so bloody pointless. There is absolutely no reason why we still have to grind those levels out. There isn't an interesting story to make us see. It's just killing mobs to get through levels. Mobs that give very little reward so they aren't even interesting to kill.
And honestly, the pitiful drops are an embarassment. 45 adena from a level 68 mob today. That's pathetic. And not one single mat or equipment drop during that time. Whoever keeps nerfing drops really has no clue what they are doing or why they are doing it. Someone has clearly become so disinterested in their job over at NCKorea that they are taking out their frustration with their job on NC's customers. They need to be let go. It will be the best thing for that employee and the company.
The grinding is excessive because it is so bloody pointless. There is absolutely no reason why we still have to grind those levels out. There isn't an interesting story to make us see. It's just killing mobs to get through levels. Mobs that give very little reward so they aren't even interesting to kill.
And honestly, the pitiful drops are an embarassment. 45 adena from a level 68 mob today. That's pathetic. And not one single mat or equipment drop during that time. Whoever keeps nerfing drops really has no clue what they are doing or why they are doing it. Someone has clearly become so disinterested in their job over at NCKorea that they are taking out their frustration with their job on NC's customers. They need to be let go. It will be the best thing for that employee and the company.
Adena nerf's are purposeful on NC's part, their aim is to make people more and more dependant on the cash shop, not saying its a smart policy, but that is the direction they are headed.
Adena nerf's are purposeful on NC's part, their aim is to make people more and more dependant on the cash shop, not saying its a smart policy, but that is the direction they are headed.
That's why it is so embarassing. They've completely lost sight of what attracts players to the game and what's keep people interesting in continuing to grind, even into the whee hours of the morning. If all I'm doing as a player is trying to get to the next level cause I'm so bored and there is absolutely nothing going on and nothing to look forward to at my current level, then then I'm going to constantly ask myself why I'm still playing this game when there are so many other options out there.
Adena nerf's are purposeful on NC's part, their aim is to make people more and more dependant on the cash shop, not saying its a smart policy, but that is the direction they are headed.
And because of that we have a bot heaven here. They will end up so that nobody will buy NCcoins because on all servers will be only GMs and Bots. Bots dont need the cash shop. The legit players even if they donate thousands of dollars are like blind kittens against those who use 3rd pt programms and dont donate at all. The difference is too big now and the direction they are heading will end that nobody will play legit, everione will cheat.
If the people behind L2 went to Lineage 1, the game would be dead within 1 year.
I said about six months ago I think this is the end of the line for L2 NCwest in about two years, this just reinforces what I thought. In six months we are going to see an even bigger reduction in drops, and before then I'm betting we will already be down to two/three servers.
Actually, given that and the way it looks like they are even giving up somewhat on their home turf, I don't even see the eighteen months that remain in my original timeframe as holding up now.
The new UI is fine, finally a revamp that suits after all those years.
What I'm not fond of is the silly idea of giving chests with PoA items for new characters while existing ones have to pay to get NCoins for what is even so temporary?
I remember the first doomsday thread I read about L2 was from ... 2006 I think. L2 still here.
I always told doomsday sayers they were being silly before as well, this time its a bit different, and I am only saying NCwest will shut down L2 inside that time frame, though if NCKR is down to seven developers its future isn't very bright on its home front either. And if Elmar is saying it, take it as gospel, he's been doing the translations since all the way back when he was over on EllieBelly helping run that site.
I remember the first doomsday thread I read about L2 was from ... 2006 I think. L2 still here.
Funny enough,3000% of the current population who played before L2 would not agree with you.
L2 is not here anymore.
I can only say, the game has ended to many, some still cling and keep on feeding the hamster but this hasmter is long past it's life support already, that's why it's only zombies around.
Funny enough,3000% of the current population who played before L2 would not agree with you.
L2 is not here anymore.
I can only say, the game has ended to many, some still cling and keep on feeding the hamster but this hasmter is long past it's life support already, that's why it's only zombies around.
No, you really had to have been around, the population of L2 is nowhere close to what it was, and this patch + the patch in six months are going to send it into an even heavier downward spiral. To get a good idea, look at the old closed server section, now imagine all those servers pretty much full, and even some with the ques so full you had to wait to log in.
Now we are down to five, and we are all betting on a upcoming merge, so soon to be 2-3 servers, none of which are close to full, the two top ones not quite hitting even half capacity.
Im a CPL and play since c4, i've seen too much and many people insisting and insisting and insisting and in the end not giving a crap anymore.
Every update is a shot in the dark, contradictory to previous update, fixing issues and bringing them back.
And all fo the current P2W is just milking, everyone knows milking MMO doesn't last long, it's a short time solution.
No, you really had to have been around, the population of L2 is nowhere close to what it was, and this patch + the patch in six months are going to send it into an even heavier downward spiral. To get a good idea, look at the old closed server section, now imagine all those servers pretty much full, and even some with the ques so full you had to wait to log in.
Now we are down to five, and we are all betting on a upcoming merge, so soon to be 2-3 servers, none of which are close to full, the two top ones not quite hitting even half capacity.
Sometimes I'm under the impression that they cripple the game intentionally in favor of other games, or they just really lack intelligence.
Today I asked some of my friends with whom I used to play back in the days when it was still worth it (C4 and prior) would they be willing to give it a shot, all of them said a clear no and the reason behind it are all these changes.
The biggest downgrade is that all these patches and additions totally change everything of what this game initially was meant to be. Characters, their backgrounds and purpose no longer apply as in the end it's all just a pile of over-fancied junk blended together.
I hope l2 goes out in a bang with everyone getting perma karma and just mass pvping in the last days of the game's existence. I gues that's why everyone is sticking around to see the game end and be there for its closure.
- Daily repeat quests drops - and Adena - are unbelievably nerfed; it took a full hour of constant solid grinding to do one repeat quest from the guide, and I use a pet as well which speeds the process up a lot - makes me shiver knowing how long it must take for people to do it solo. Killing mid-70's mobs give 50-60 Adena? Just disable Adena drops all together - a bit like starter areas dropping 1 Adena, 1 ******* Adena! No one cares about 1 Adena.
- Female only race? I guess there's either women in charge at NCSoft, or insecure men who make female characters to prove to others they aren't gay. Adventurer hat that you start with changes your hair as well.
- Placing quest locations at the top of the list at the Gatekeeper so you don't have to think, at all. The game has taken a major step towards just playing the game for you - like that super popular MMO everyone knows about that I'll not name - Lineage has always been about YOU doing it, that's the reason I loved it, and going away from that is the reason I've lost the urge to play, it's just one major step towards becoming casual.
- Class transfer quests; no idea when this changed, but I done one for the first time in a long while and it may as well just give you the promotion for nothing, because the quests are pathetically short and simple now; it's totally lost the feeling of EARNING your reward. I mean, you class change less than 5 times in a character's journey to max level - don't tell me, I know, new players complained and it was changed; same ****, different game, different year.
- Daily repeat quests drops - and Adena - are unbelievably nerfed; it took a full hour of constant solid grinding to do one repeat quest from the guide, and I use a pet as well which speeds the process up a lot - makes me shiver knowing how long it must take for people to do it solo. Killing mid-70's mobs give 50-60 Adena? Just disable Adena drops all together - a bit like starter areas dropping 1 Adena, 1 ******* Adena! No one cares about 1 Adena.
- Female only race? I guess there's either women in charge at NCSoft, or insecure men who make female characters to prove to others they aren't gay. Adventurer hat that you start with changes your hair as well.
- Placing quest locations at the top of the list at the Gatekeeper so you don't have to think, at all. The game has taken a major step towards just playing the game for you - like that super popular MMO everyone knows about that I'll not name - Lineage has always been about YOU doing it, that's the reason I loved it, and going away from that is the reason I've lost the urge to play, it's just one major step towards becoming casual.
- Class transfer quests; no idea when this changed, but I done one for the first time in a long while and it may as well just give you the promotion for nothing, because the quests are pathetically short and simple now; it's totally lost the feeling of EARNING your reward. I mean, you class change less than 5 times in a character's journey to max level - don't tell me, I know, new players complained and it was changed; same ****, different game, different year.
For starters, the Adena and drop rates for dailies weren't supposed to be nerfed according to Juji so I'd just wait to see if they fix them later before being up in arms about it. S**t happens.
Your reasoning for a female only race is dumb, let's be honest.
The changes to the GK are good for new players, to the rest it doesn't really matter probably except for ease of access instead of having to scroll through for the quest destination
The class transfer quests have been like that for a long time now. The game starts at 85 nowadays, the levels before are pretty much irrelevant, including the transfer quests
For starters, the Adena and drop rates for dailies weren't supposed to be nerfed according to Juji so I'd just wait to see if they fix them later before being up in arms about it. S**t happens.
Your reasoning for a female only race is dumb, let's be honest.
The changes to the GK are good for new players, to the rest it doesn't really matter probably except for ease of access instead of having to scroll through for the quest destination
The class transfer quests have been like that for a long time now. The game starts at 85 nowadays, the levels before are pretty much irrelevant, including the transfer quests
Let's be honest, that's your opinion just like that was mine - but please elaborate on how it's dumb instead of just saying, "it's dumb, let's be honest", I'll explain that it is dumb because not everyone wants a female character; I was looking forward to making a new character to shake things up, but not a female one.
It's the small things that make a difference and give it character and sets it apart from every other MMO, because the vast majority are clones of each other with different scenery that just plays the game for you in essence.
That's my point about the transfer quests, they are irrelevant, and the game itself is pretty irrelevant now it seems - to me anyway.
Let's be honest, that's your opinion just like that was mine - but please elaborate on how it's dumb instead of just saying, "it's dumb, let's be honest", I'll explain that it is dumb because not everyone wants a female character; I was looking forward to making a new character to shake things up, but not a female one.
It's the small things that make a difference and give it character and sets it apart from every other MMO, because the vast majority are clones of each other with different scenery that just plays the game for you in essence.
That's my point about the transfer quests, they are irrelevant, and the game itself is pretty irrelevant now it seems - to me anyway.
Do you really need an explanation as to why you saying "There must be women in charge at NCSoft or they are trying to prove they aren't gay" is dumb? That's something a child in middle school would say. Yea gender locked races suck, I don't mind this one because I only make female characters but it does suck for some people that want male characters, I'm not saying it doesn't. But at the very least don't act like a child.
For starters, the Adena and drop rates for dailies weren't supposed to be nerfed according to Juji so I'd just wait to see if they fix them later before being up in arms about it. S**t happens.
Your reasoning for a female only race is dumb, let's be honest.
The changes to the GK are good for new players, to the rest it doesn't really matter probably except for ease of access instead of having to scroll through for the quest destination
The class transfer quests have been like that for a long time now. The game starts at 85 nowadays, the levels before are pretty much irrelevant, including the transfer quests
So far it seems like the adena and quest drop nerf's that the NCWest staff asked not to be included in this patch were thrown into the patch anyways.
NCWest staff did ask for them not to be implemented, I guess NC just threw them under the bus again.
Do you really need an explanation as to why you saying "There must be women in charge at NCSoft or they are trying to prove they aren't gay" is dumb? That's something a child in middle school would say. Yea gender locked races suck, I don't mind this one because I only make female characters but it does suck for some people that want male characters, I'm not saying it doesn't. But at the very least don't act like a child.
I'm mocking their decision to make the race female only - I keep forgetting nothing can be left for interpretation in text because someone will always take what you say literally even though they likely know that isn't exactly what that person means. There are two main groups of people who play female characters from my many, many years of playing online; the group that are female in real life and play as such in a game (like I do with male characters), and the group that are males who do so just to show off that they like women at any possible chance, but never admit it - just to clarify I'm not speaking for everyone in case you choose to interpret it that way.
- Female only race? I guess there's either women in charge at NCSoft, or insecure men who make female characters to prove to others they aren't gay. Adventurer hat that you start with changes your hair as well.
WTF ? Who the hell cares, its online, that theory is as bad as that other guy saying you had to be gay to play a female toon, or a scammer pretending to be female to gain other's pixel's.
Newsflash, you spend a lot of time playing a MMO typically, so why not spend it looking at a piece of eye candy while you're at it, I can send that right back in reverse on you, guys playing male toon's are trying to prove they are not gay by staring at male eye candy all day long.
Seriously? Why would someone rather use the overpopulated human male and pretty ugly dark elf male or a green shrek than playing a sweet character that you enjoy looking at? My characters would always be dorfies, female dark elfs cause, boobs, and now ertheia which reminds me the chanter in aion I had long time ago.
I hope l2 goes out in a bang with everyone getting perma karma and just mass pvping in the last days of the game's existence. I gues that's why everyone is sticking around to see the game end and be there for its closure. *
+1 and some friends that are still here. maybe for the same reason ;-)
Newsflash, you spend a lot of time playing a MMO typically, so why not spend it looking at a piece of eye candy while you're at it, I can send that right back in reverse on you, guys playing male toon's are trying to prove they are not gay by staring at male eye candy all day long.
My healer is female and my iss is male, both DE, and I like both. Does this make me a bisexual?
I know, I was keeping up your reasoning with my own example. Since I play a female character I should be a lesbian, but I also have a male character and that makes me heterosexual, according to the OP's logic.
WTF ? Who the hell cares, its online, that theory is as bad as that other guy saying you had to be gay to play a female toon, or a scammer pretending to be female to gain other's pixel's.
Newsflash, you spend a lot of time playing a MMO typically, so why not spend it looking at a piece of eye candy while you're at it, I can send that right back in reverse on you, guys playing male toon's are trying to prove they are not gay by staring at male eye candy all day long.
Exactly, who the hell does care, yet I've encountered so many who do.
You could throw that back in my face if the vast majority of the population were gay, but they aren't; heterosexuality is still the norm I'm afraid. I also specifically said in another post that I was mocking their decision to make it a female only class with what I said, and it wasn't to be taken so literally, but this is online where a lot of people can't wait to criticise anything and everything unless directly stated otherwise.
Had to do the other one first before a serious reply. :p
You're a female Tif, you know the OP is a guy, and was aiming that at other guys, I'm a guy so I threw his illogic right back at em. ;)
Newsflash, not everything you read is to be taken literally. Don't know why I even bothered posting, every forum everywhere is just full of those waiting to get a false sense of self empowerment.
There isnt a word about the adena nerf since Juji lied about taking it out of our version so i think it will stay as it is now. They just dont give a f*** what we want.
There isnt a word about the adena nerf since Juji lied about taking it out of our version so i think it will stay as it is now. They just dont give a f*** what we want.
You don't get it, Juji didn't lie, they made the request for that part of the patch not to be implemented over here, the home office said ok, we won't. Home office then set us the patch without excluding the nerf's as requested.
NCWest staff went to bat for us and got thrown under the bus, they didn't lie to you, this has happened in the past as well, and will probably continue to happen in the future.
You can't blame this on the NCWest staff, lay the blame where it belongs, at the feet of the home office of NCsoft.
You don't get it, Juji didn't lie, they made the request for that part of the patch not to be implemented over here, the home office said ok, we won't. Home office then set us the patch without excluding the nerf's as requested.
NCWest staff went to bat for us and got thrown under the bus, they didn't lie to you, this has happened in the past as well, and will probably continue to happen in the future.
You can't blame this on the NCWest staff, lay the blame where it belongs, at the feet of the home office of NCsoft.
Ok then mea culpa I'm just disappointed after having to walk after 10 mins of begging for teleport. Well maybe i just give up and join a game where i am treated as a player.
I too agree that making a race female only is utterly ridiculous. I mean, how do they reproduce? :D
Even making certain skills female only is ridiculous, as if men couldn't learn what women learned to do.
I have serious doubts about NCSoft's management. But those people never listen. Overall these management cases tend to be the greatest of issues. How many times have countless issues been raised to the attention of the management in various games, industries, but people at the top certainly feel the need to prove how narrow minded they are.
Speaking of Adena drops = hilarious, on a low rate server almost no Adena drops. If this is what they think will keep people "hooked" they are so wrong. I can't even picture what is going on in their minds. Maybe Prozac?
Even making certain skills female only is ridiculous, as if men couldn't learn what women learned to do.
You're right, men can do anything women can do, now in whatever order you so desire go climax eleven times in a row, fake it and to top it off have a baby ! :p
I too agree that making a race female only is utterly ridiculous. I mean, how do they reproduce? :D
Even making certain skills female only is ridiculous, as if men couldn't learn what women learned to do.
I have serious doubts about NCSoft's management. But those people never listen. Overall these management cases tend to be the greatest of issues. How many times have countless issues been raised to the attention of the management in various games, industries, but people at the top certainly feel the need to prove how narrow minded they are.
Speaking of Adena drops = hilarious, on a low rate server almost no Adena drops. If this is what they think will keep people "hooked" they are so wrong. I can't even picture what is going on in their minds. Maybe Prozac?
That's where the lack of logic appears with a female only race, I guess they must scissor and hope for the best.
All these pretentious management types are just that, management; they're there to manage, not to actually do the work or know what the hell is going on with the work, they just want statistics and money coming in - I know that from first hand from doing temp work.
They're certainly have something going on in their minds, too bad thinking or caring isn't one of them.
I too agree that making a race female only is utterly ridiculous. I mean, how do they reproduce? :D
They don't. What you play are half-Ertheias, and the pureblood Ertheias have a low male population among their ranks (Venir Dekan is one of the pureblood Ertheias, while Queen Navari is a halfblood).
Half Ertheias are sterile and the pureblood population is dwindling, that's why the halfbloods are so many and why the Ertheias are an endangered race, kinda like the Dark Elves after the Shilen bloodbath.
Adena drops. Per GM response they told us that this wouldn't happen. It did.
Effect: Lower adena drops means in a month or so all the "return" players will leave again. Cant make adena legit so why bother to play. SOS, EG, I mean really? Spend more on shots for one mob than you get in drops of adena killing 5 mobs. Someone actually gets paid to make these decisions? Must be someone from another company trying to sink this ship LOL.
Even worse is that the ppl who rmt will A: pay more, B: buy more, C: cause even more bots and such.
Also: Due to the lack of action to curb bots/rmt, EULA infractions by all the "top" players and their adena sources will increase to make up for this. Just mess with some bots in EG and watch the "Hero" from a certain clan come to protect them. Same guy afk leveled in HB for months for a shiny gold wreath around his name LOL. Yup, seriously great job enforcing the EULA.
Patch did nothing but extend the void between legit players and others. 6 months and I am willing to bet 1/3 of the folks playing now will be gone for good. All this patch really did is ensure those with irl money can continue to play and the rest can play without being able to even afford shots.
New race, sweet. Wish for once someone would spend as much time actually trying to save this game versus just throwing things at us and hoping it keeps us entertained.
the adena nerf was implemented to get finaly rid of the bots (that was the offical NC- statement). Ofc it wasnt fully implemented at NC-West cause "the bots" didnt like it and probably made a pedition to NC-West.
All the things you mentioned are in the game since 8+ years. It has always been a grind for adena too, adena-drops alone never got you anywhere. And now almost everything (at last in the beginning) is for free, gear weapons ... everything is handed out for free.
This game is in a pretty bad state for a long time now, but it isnt the fault of this latest update.
the adena nerf was implemented to get finaly rid of the bots (that was the offical NC- statement). Ofc it wasnt fully implemented at NC-West cause "the bots" didnt like it and probably made a pedition to NC-West.
All the things you mentioned are in the game since 8+ years. It has always been a grind for adena too, adena-drops alone never got you anywhere. And now almost everything (at last in the beginning) is for free, gear weapons ... everything is handed out for free.
This game is in a pretty bad state for a long time now, but it isnt the fault of this latest update.
You're living in a fantasy world. While way back when, a bot was probably more a way to get top level that much faster for those that chose to do so, that isn't what they are using it for now.
Every adena and drop nerf will effectively multiply the bots, not get rid of them, as most that use them do so as a farming tool.
This will probably turn even some that never did before to bot use. Playing a game for hours and hours on end and barely showing a profit or getting by as opposed to waking up, having a cup of java while reading the paper and checking your bots and noticing they got a good rare drop, and tons of adena when its all added up, hrm...............
Also, these Ertheia-only quests...... seriously, that's a bummer. It's like racism now.
1. Same as Kekropus' letter
2. Old school players remember race locked quests, and it is nothing new
How come no one has mentioned the increased drops from instances? I haven't done any low level instances but K95, Baylor, and CC are dropping at a much higher rate. Hell, K95 drops 4 items every time now and the CC bosses (not the golem) are dropping FULL r99 again. I can duo K95 with my box Iss and get between 10-40 mil per run. Follow that with HF daily and I can make between 10-60 mil a day and this is by shopping stuff in a light town; could be even more if I wasn't lazy.
Sure low level areas have been nerfed to **** but so what. With fortune packets you can literally skip 1-85.
when we killed antharas other day, we got like 15 drops(bunch of 99 gear) but honestly none of the drops will make anyone stronger imo...just lower the prices in AH I guess. back in the day antharas drops could of equaled 30-40billion adena. other day was less than 10b worth...so it dropped more but worth less...by a lot less. so on the grand scheme of things, its a huge nerf imo.
How come no one has mentioned the increased drops from instances? I haven't done any low level instances but K95, Baylor, and CC are dropping at a much higher rate. Hell, K95 drops 4 items every time now and the CC bosses (not the golem) are dropping FULL r99 again. I can duo K95 with my box Iss and get between 10-40 mil per run. Follow that with HF daily and I can make between 10-60 mil a day and this is by shopping stuff in a light town; could be even more if I wasn't lazy.
Sure low level areas have been nerfed to **** but so what. With fortune packets you can literally skip 1-85.
Yes, but you're talking about drops that in turn you either need, or you sell for adena, which NC is slowly squeezing out all adena. The actual amount of adena incoming players will have is less and less with not enough new entering the economy. To much adena causes inflation, less causes prices to drop at first, but then it will get to the point where the rich won't sell because the prices just aren't worth it, you'd make more NPCing the stuff. Then the economy will switch full blown to the cash shop as basic currency, which is what NC wants.
Anyways Hador, as Vood pointed out, this is a QQ thread, its even in the title. :p
I wanted to like the Ertheia. I really did. I created both classes and leveled them up. I can't put my finger on the exact reason, but I just can't endorse either class as fun to play. I'm going to take a break from them and come back in a week or two after I've leveled up my Kamael PR/GS. Maybe my feelings will change then.
Reduced adena drop rates will only mean that adena will become more valuable. That's all.
Yes, at first, I said that, but we are getting yet another nerf in six months, and the incoming adena won't equal the outgoing. The rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer, the only reverse influx will be RMT. Therefore the rich will start looking for a new medium of exchange, as I already explained.
This has been done before in other games to try to make everyone use the cash shop, the result is always as I've outlined it. The old base economy is gone, replaced by the cash shop.
Also, before anyone decides to try to rant at me about a F2P has to have a cash shop in order to survive, I 100% agree, I think we all should support the cash shop here and there. That being said, I am highly against twisting players arms to make them use it or introducing game breaking items into the mix and the gambling options for OPed items that only the rich and well off will ever be crazy enough to gamble their way up on to get that 19 grand item.
Here's a link to the discussion we had about healthy ways to actually run a cash shop: boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=268056.
It got some views, but not many replies, I guess a lot of people are just unaware healthy cash shops do and can exist in MMO's, or just have no idea's to add~~
I know nothing about F2P, but I see that, say, SWTOR surviving just fine without selling levels for money in shop. And it's F2P, and with same crappy interface as L2. Even crappier. You can't use macroses in SWTOR. And amount of skills is the same (means, more than fingers on both hands and feet.)
Setting up alarm clock on 8 am morning for hellmann. Waiting 20-30 min for raid to spawn. Die during this raid just before the boss dies all this ofcorse without any healer in pt. Porting back to town and losing exp. Loosing 30 min of my life for nothing.
Finally, a smart topic to be discussed in this forum (Merits OP)
Something that I have not liked since the last two expansions of L2, the way the Korean developers intend to reveal (as a report) some players who have something of value and not necessarily because of being shown or disclosed.
For example, the fact that they put the shine on set (of 6 upwards), although in this situation I approve of such a novelty, after all, brightness is something missing in the game.
Now, the fact of placing a "bonus" in the most over-enchanted weapons as well, along with the brightness; and worst of all, wings (with bronze / silver / gold), so it was proposed to get around the name of the character? To find out how many points each player has? :p
Certain things do not see the need to be revealed, there are things you do not tell your friend so far distant and much less for your enemy.
I sincerely wish that in the future an option to show/hide option of the wings, at least it was implemented. :cool:
Finally, I come to new race, Ertheia ... what a fail copy of Tera makes the worlds of Aden and Elmore? It is disturbing to see her actions, options for change of face and hair, via Beauty Shop System, each worse than the other, some Set's being worn by her, either fighter class as mage class, become extremely vulgar ... (I say because I hear women's playing with race ertheia and are extremely offended by such sets and performances actions by character)
Besides mentioning the fact that one .... ertheia wizard, use a proper weapon mage and still hitting with the other hand ... :D
How come no one has mentioned the increased drops from instances? I haven't done any low level instances but K95, Baylor, and CC are dropping at a much higher rate. Hell, K95 drops 4 items every time now and the CC bosses (not the golem) are dropping FULL r99 again. I can duo K95 with my box Iss and get between 10-40 mil per run. Follow that with HF daily and I can make between 10-60 mil a day and this is by shopping stuff in a light town; could be even more if I wasn't lazy.
+1
One of the few things that are worth ... At least in Crystal Cavern Instances again drop items R99, a probability of 20%, depending on the amount of times I went (and without runes of drop rate) :cool:
The only thing L2 needed was class balance to provide more fun in pvp as well as making part matching easier.
Elmar said very well, that back in 2008-2009, korean players were experiencing a tough time at creating parties, with the population decreasing, the whole grouping gameplay in Korea started deteriorating, parties took too long(near impossible in some servers) to be created even with the party matching system. It turned the game too boring. Putting this issue together with the successful launch of Aion, a feeling of total despair seized L2 dev team(by Elmar words). It lead the development of GoD. The idea of reducing the number of classes to 8 was mainly to solve the problem korean servers were suffering that time: game got too tedious with a long wait to make parties. People logged out after some time waiting without success.
For me, the biggest mistake of original L2 devs was creating too much classes without thinking whether they could manage to keep them as balanced as possible, they simply threw classes in the game. They chose quantity over quality, and L2 ended up a fragmented game where some classes were useful in solo pve / other in 1x1 pvp / other in party pvp / other in party pve / other were completely useless...
The second biggest one was introducing new toons without being capable to maintain the balance of the old ones(Kamael). It made an already messed up game even messed up.
The real problem of GoD was not trying to solve the problem of party matching wait (that was making people to quit the game and go to Aion in Korea) faster by simplifying the classes to 8. But destroying the whole content of the game from 1-85, they simply destroyed L2 with that, not only that, but the crescent focus on instances and daily quests.
I think if they made the change to 8 classes since level 1, without destroying any content like the old quests, hunting zones, starting towns, seven sings and increased the level cap to 90 instead 99 in order to maintain the old leveling curve, the game would have a healthier player base today(yes, without nerfing any drop rate).
The only thing L2 needed was class balance to provide more fun in pvp as well as making part matching easier.
Elmar said very well, that back in 2008-2009, korean players were experiencing a tough time at creating parties, with the population decreasing, the whole grouping gameplay in Korea started deteriorating, parties took too long(near impossible in some servers) to be created even with the party matching system. It turned the game too boring. Putting this issue together with the successful launch of Aion, a feeling of total despair seized L2 dev team(by Elmar words). It lead the development of GoD. The idea of reducing the number of classes to 8 was mainly to solve the problem korean servers were suffering that time: game got too tedious with a long wait to make parties. People logged out after some time waiting without success.
For me, the biggest mistake of original L2 devs was creating too much classes without thinking whether they could manage to keep them as balanced as possible, they simply threw classes in the game. They chose quantity over quality, and L2 ended up a fragmented game where some classes were useful in solo pve / other in 1x1 pvp / other in party pvp / other in party pve / other were completely useless...
The second biggest one was introducing new toons without being capable to maintain the balance of the old ones(Kamael). It made an already messed up game even messed up.
The real problem of GoD was not trying to solve the problem of party matching wait (that was making people to quit the game and go to Aion in Korea) faster by simplifying the classes to 8. But destroying the whole content of the game from 1-85, they simply destroyed L2 with that, not only that, but the crescent focus on instances and daily quests.
I think if they made the change to 8 classes since level 1, without destroying any content like the old quests, hunting zones, starting towns, seven sings and increased the level cap to 90 instead 99 in order to maintain the leveling curve, the game would have a healthier player base today(yes, without nerfing any drop rate).
I agree with you that destroying any meaning for levels 1-85 was a bad move, about the rest, meh They never should have reduced to 8 classes. Many classes equals more specialization, equals people have more choices. If you say look at some classes that very few play, I'll just turn around and say, it filled the niche for those few that play them.
As for party matching, they could have reduced party to seven like it is now, and had some of the classes share some skills, much as they do now.
Combining all into 8 was a bad move, why do you thing they re diversified ? The players here not only howled and quit, that had no effect on their decision, but their home player base howled over it as well.
As for balance, L2 has always been a paper, rock, scissors type game in that sense. and that very thing drew many, you may not be effective against this class, but you maul this other one, and you stand even against these few. If you bring up support classes as an example, you're just being dense and didn't play L2 back when it first came out and many soloed. In their own right support are OPed, go fight one, you have no buffs and support gets to buff himself of course. Gonna say thats not fair and you want buffs to ? And who do you get those from ? Yeah that same support.
But the reality in korea at that time was it: parties got difficult to be made, and people started getting bored of this and started leaving. Just look at the classic servers that suffer the same issues, according to elmar.
The community was not the same as 2003, and changes needed to be made. The problem is that most of the changes they brought to L2 in order to face this problem were bad.
But the reality in korea at that time was it: parties got difficult to be made, and people started getting bored of this and started leaving. Just look at the classic servers that suffer the same issues, according to elmar.
Thats only one issue with the classic servers, you need to read everything Elmar wrote. Besides, I agreed with you, just not on combining down to eight classes. basically when GoD hit they should have made it like it is now, and you want a fourth class change ? Fine do that, but they shouldn't have made it "awakened" and so OPed compared to the previous three class changes. They also should have made it happen at either 90 or 95 and increased the last two subs levels to 90 or 95 and taken away the stupid level penalty.
Now L2 has 7-8 developers, Elmar shows no confidence in a so small team to maintain the game.
The only thing we have to do now is probably to wait this ship sinks completely.
Yep. Do you realize that to this very day we are still missing over half the map and many bosses and epics that the original design team had already mapped out ? LOL
I'm currently waiting for Black Desert from what I heard, it has a similar pvp system to Lineage(I hope so), and according producers, the leveling curve will be similar to Lineage(although it still is in tests).
5 pages of handicapped kids and couple most likely fugly e-girls that arent good at the game, were never good and most likely will never be, complaining about things they don't like when 99% of them arent even 95 after 2 years of god launch, hilarious.
Theres always a way out, you log off, uninstall the game and leave, stop being miserable on the forums, nothings gonna change, you're not gonna improve and noone will ever carry any of you, in this game shi.tt3rs.
5 pages of handicapped kids and couple most likely fugly e-girls that arent good at the game, were never good and most likely will never be, complaining about things they don't like when 99% of them arent even 95 after 2 years of god launch, hilarious.
Theres always a way out, you log off, uninstall the game and leave, stop being miserable on the forums, nothings gonna change, you're not gonna improve and noone will ever carry any of you, in this game shi.tt3rs.
Two paragraphs from some pimply faced reject that will never get laid and never played L2 before GoD concerns us not at all, and has no idea who the people in the thread are but assumes he does anyways doesn't concern us one bit. :D
I'm currently waiting for Black Desert from what I heard, it has a similar pvp system to Lineage(I hope so), and according producers, the leveling curve will be similar to Lineage(although it still is in tests).
He just means it is also an open sandbox PvP type system. Many, many L2 players old, not so old and even some new are waiting for ArcheAge. Before you pipe in James, we are aware its already out, I mean official release when it goes F2P.
Let's be honest, that's your opinion just like that was mine - but please elaborate on how it's dumb instead of just saying, "it's dumb, let's be honest", I'll explain that it is dumb because not everyone wants a female character; I was looking forward to making a new character to shake things up, but not a female one.
It's the small things that make a difference and give it character and sets it apart from every other MMO, because the vast majority are clones of each other with different scenery that just plays the game for you in essence.
That's my point about the transfer quests, they are irrelevant, and the game itself is pretty irrelevant now it seems - to me anyway.
just to give you a short and pratical answer: to cater that player they want to play the game, and to spend more $$ on it.
Since the start it's known that ertheia race is focused to cater on the girl's section of playerbase, at best. The same way why all melodies/sonatas from Isses are "cuties and sweet" and the healer's skills are so shiny and brightful.
Remember that NCKorea makes the game to please koreans, not you or whoever else.
Since the start it's known that ertheia race is focused to cater on the girl's section of playerbase, at best.
They need to try harder then. Girls, as majority, don't like killing anything.
Creating a race of pure fighters to satisfy female psychology is like waging war for peace or ****** for virginity. Makes less than no sence.
The same way why all melodies/sonatas from Isses are "cuties and sweet" and the healer's skills are so shiny and brightful.
I don't see anything sweet or cute in spasmatic twitches of Iss dances.
What don't I like? That's a huge list. So I will just stick with my top top grieveances.
1) The infinitely massive nerf to adena, mat and equipment drop rates.
Pretty much we have to deal with it. In 85-90+ areas, the adena went from 700-800 to 400-500 adena. Will it affect my average gameplay? Ofc not. I dont even bother picking it up 'cause in that time I'm killing 2-3+ mobs.
2) The excessive amount of grinding required to get through the pointless levels (levels 1-95, and even through level 98 [I can already picture all the vitriol dripping from everyone's chin when they read this])
did you guys played in the back c3 to pre-GoD updates? So do you remember the hell it was to grind your *** for days to get 1-3%, then lose 4% if any mother*****er just wanted to break his tedium by PK'ing you. And the epic quest series in varka/ketra to get recipes for S grade gear? just desperating (and still doable by any gamer).
So, like the old times, the grind is there for 1) to promote you to spend on L2store (by NCwest) and 2) to give you enough time till you work out how to farm your next step gear. Sadly, some people skip this last part, then end up crying their river bloods everywhere. Someone here remember your last K95 group with an active 97+ member in twilight set? well...
3) How much more hp level 85+ mobs have. Specifically the mobs under level 85 are killable in one to two attacks, and that is fun for me. Having to go through multiple rotations just to kill one level 85+ mob isn't fun for me, I'm sure other people have a different preference.
Hands down, have to agree on this part. There's no fun wasting a whole 2min to kill a *****ing lvl 85+ mob with a new freshly awakened character with poor gear.
4) How stupid the new race is and how much the new races lore and implementation insults Kamael fans. NC essentially kicked Kamaels out of the spotlight (and turned them into just another generic L2 race) so they could place the new race there and then gave the new race the seperate skills, seperate class system, seperate subclass system, seperate quests and seperate lore that used to belong to the Kamaels. And the new race is in every race excessively similar to the old Kamaels, right down to the new class types and origins. Except the race makes even less sense from an in game perspective, especially considering they have no wings at all and are only female. How? Why? NC just stopped caring about L2 lore several major updates ago.
Here you r just playing denial. If anything it's in fact irrelevant to the game, it's the kamael crew. They have no place in the original lore, and this was thourougly discussed in many threads. Ertheia (or Artheia), instead, always were to be inserted in the game at one point - the same goes for the Giant race, but I truly believe they wont be playable someday, since they are close to the godly level.
5) New changes in Erteia that are going to require even more unfun grinding/more spending. I didn't see a single positive change in this update for players at my level with my amount of play time. Not one single positive change.
Apart from the slighth adena nerf on some areas, I didnt see this whole break down. The game is the same for lowbies, and no changes for mid-levels as they are the same we have since Lindvior/Valiance.
6) There aren't any enjoyable and rewarding solo grinding zones at my level, and I hate the group grinding zones where it's basically just stand in one place and mash your keys over and over again until you get carpal tunnel syndrome. At least in solo grinding zones I can move around the entire zone to try breaking the tedium.
7) Instances are stale and unenjoyable, especially because like group grinding zones they are basically just stand in one place and mash your keys. But that's probably a necessity for a click to move game like this, which is one reason why click to move was a terrible design decision.
I hope people stop to misunderstanding that instances are meant for casual players - they r the ones that most benefit from it. And ofc, provides a low cost xp/item reward, since you spend a little time to achieve some good xp. So if you have no much time to play and you r spending your time solo'ing and being anti-partyplay, you r doing it terribly wrong.
"Grind, grind, grind"...
Tell me, what was the original balance of the L2 exp intended to be? Do you **** know it? May be, if you do, you'll have better understanding of how much the game [changed] from the original intended balance.
They need to try harder then. Girls, as majority, don't like killing anything.
Creating a race of pure fighters to satisfy female psychology is like waging war for peace or ****** for virginity. Makes less than no sence.
I have to disagree with you, some of the most blood thirsty L2 players I have played with have been girls. :D
I have to disagree with you, some of the most blood thirsty L2 players I have played with have been girls. :D
So I know guys who happily play healers. Exceptions only prove the rule.