what u want them to do ? all they do is upload files they dont edit anything everything is gettin worse and worse every update..
first full drops get removed from drops list
then adena got nerfed
then high level zones where u can SP got adena / drops completely removed
then new instance has zero adena zero drops wooooo
im not fan of gettin drop every 10 seconds but not even getting simple mats drop or adena or some main ingredient after xping for 4h non stop in some locations simply sad..
I guess they figured they were doing people a favor that already had moderate to really good gear. Sorta like we got a leg up on all the new comers. Problem being .. there arent enough new comers to really give a crap :mad:
they are attempting to regulate the adena.
all they need to do now is eliminate the core problem.
everything was awesome...
before they released Goddess of destruction and new areas.
because they released new areas with lower adena drops.
and this caused a problem they didn't anticipate.
what? old areas drop 10 times more adena than new ones?
oh, bots farm adena there and sell it to higher levels?
but right now, they are trying to fix everything.
it will take some time...
but for now we must bow down to the dark goddess Shillen.
until we can once again trap her away... and the world will prosper once again.
1 drop every 10 secs?
not even on TI during C3 it was like this. Never was.
So far since 2006 killing mobs I got 2 full weapon drops from normal mobs, and few armor ones. A kesh and a wizards tear.
there was never a overload of adena in any time for regular players. ofc bots were always here, with different goals over time. I still remember the day when they banned hard aa/seeds farmers and ppl actually went down the catas and farmed all they needed there. i was one.
they lower adena because of bots, affect everyone else, and now need bots to get them $.
they are so dumb, and as I said this many times here, if they banned bots and made game like before ppl would actually have reasons to buy stuff from the store in a healthy way. both for the gameplay and for their income. but again they are ********s that just want $ and dont care fore consequences.
about they trying to fix:
they just gonna say they are looking into it until ppl forget it.
when someone ask it again they just gonna say developers said its gonna stay like this. just like equip from oly manager.
and continue to throw money up all over the office, while ppl buy items to trade for adena ingame and plan the next nerf.
The only reason why they nerf the adena is in the hope you would
buy those destiny packs or prestige packs or anny other pack
to get the 100 % drop of adena and items
What they don't understand in korea is that the adena sellers
are cheaper then the packs
Soooo noooo, no one is going to spend 15 dollar on a NC coin pack
when they can get 50 times worth the adena from a farmer who sells
it WAY lower price per 100 million then you could ever hunt for.
PLUS adena buying players have the ADVANTAGE that they don't have
to pick up
Picking money up makes u lose too much time when u want to xp fast.
So no tell them Koreans if they want to sell them packs they have to
make then WORTH it, it has to be for the ENTIRE account and it has
to be at a rate of 250 % or higher to be able to compeet with the
discounts adena Farmers give.
on top of agreeing with Hoshu I would have to add what stopped me
from buying the Packs with NC coins
A friend of mine took the pack, just a new player, he was enjoying it
and he sand me a screenshot of his loots and money
from doing AOE in Forge of the Gods.
When I compared that to my old screenshots I had to see that the loot
and money he got WITH the Prestige pack was not even HALF of what
I used to get in the past when the game was pay to play....
He is paying like double of what I was paying in the past and he is only
getting half of it, no way I be paying 15 dollars for a prestige pack
that only works on ONE character when I paid 15 dollars in the past
and got double almost triple of what he got on all SEVEN characters...
The Korean NC soft is wanting to be too greedy to make money
IF they would see that micro transaction who do NOT involve xp or adena
will earn them fortunes.
Guildwars is getting RICH like hell from micro transactions who cost really
really few , on cosmetics mostly.
Hell if they had more cosmetics more affordable I'd be a victim too
I'm a sucker for falling for color changes.
they really dun have a good marketing team in NC soft Korea
They got no CLUE what the Lineage 2 clientele wants
1 drop every 10 secs?
not even on TI during C3 it was like this. Never was.
So far since 2006 killing mobs I got 2 full weapon drops from normal mobs, and few armor ones. A kesh and a wizards tear.
there was never a overload of adena in any time for regular players. ofc bots were always here, with different goals over time. I still remember the day when they banned hard aa/seeds farmers and ppl actually went down the catas and farmed all they needed there. i was one.
they lower adena because of bots, affect everyone else, and now need bots to get them $.
they are so dumb, and as I said this many times here, if they banned bots and made game like before ppl would actually have reasons to buy stuff from the store in a healthy way. both for the gameplay and for their income. but again they are ********s that just want $ and dont care fore consequences.
about they trying to fix:
they just gonna say they are looking into it until ppl forget it.
when someone ask it again they just gonna say developers said its gonna stay like this. just like equip from oly manager.
and continue to throw money up all over the office, while ppl buy items to trade for adena ingame and plan the next nerf.
on the very first year of goddess of destruction, bloody kariks/kariness gives u 1b per day only on gear dropped by them, not adding+puting the 100k adena drop per mob on this loot.
when this free s*it start i leveld a sumoner, a healer and used my iss at monastery top floor, yes i killed a bot party every night to stay on that spot, and i could farm 100m per hour, that playing there with 1 sumoner and healing myself when needed. 100m/per hour, think about if i had 1 auto dagger or a plus auto sumoner with me. freakind insane, on that time, hellbound was like 200m+ per hour.
the first nerf, the drops stop at monastery so i stop to use my sumon there, and move to HB with my dagger, just a single dagger there was able to make 70m per hour (just with key material, a drop was rare there), thats was alot for 1 toon, and i have to fight with the bot trains there, imagine how much adena the bot trains made there, if 1 dagger killing a quimera in 30+/- secs could make 70m per hour, how much adena a bot party did?
then on the 3 nerf on the game, i came to forum to ask gms about it, no answer, and the 4 and final nerf cut to almost 0 drop at day.
on top of agreeing with Hoshu I would have to add what stopped me
from buying the Packs with NC coins
A friend of mine took the pack, just a new player, he was enjoying it
and he sand me a screenshot of his loots and money
from doing AOE in Forge of the Gods.
When I compared that to my old screenshots I had to see that the loot
and money he got WITH the Prestige pack was not even HALF of what
I used to get in the past when the game was pay to play....
He is paying like double of what I was paying in the past and he is only
getting half of it, no way I be paying 15 dollars for a prestige pack
that only works on ONE character when I paid 15 dollars in the past
and got double almost triple of what he got on all SEVEN characters...
The Korean NC soft is wanting to be too greedy to make money
IF they would see that micro transaction who do NOT involve xp or adena
will earn them fortunes.
Guildwars is getting RICH like hell from micro transactions who cost really
really few , on cosmetics mostly.
Hell if they had more cosmetics more affordable I'd be a victim too
I'm a sucker for falling for color changes.
they really dun have a good marketing team in NC soft Korea
They got no CLUE what the Lineage 2 clientele wants
not that agree with the nerfs but you 're really not getting the point. What you got in FOG 5 years ago is completely irrelevant.
Before GOD the market was out of whack, stacks of inflation and items were way too easy to get. So they though oh I know we 'll take the game back to where it was, you know, when you actually had to spend a month in FG (that's what Seal of Shillen was called back then) getting mold glues to craft your stupid doom armor and hardeners to craft your BOP or whatever. Scarcity in items and adena worked back then. But they farked it up in a colossal manner in GOD, the post awakened areas had pitiful drops but the pre-awakened areas were left pretty much untouched. End result, a million MOS/Pagan bots generating billions of Adena daily. Poof the back to basics plan went.
Now all they are doing is over-compensating. Korea is not nerfing drops to try to make you spend money on prestige packs in NA, they are trying to re-balance their own out of whack servers. And like everything else in this game, you 're just along for the ride
not that agree with the nerfs but you 're really not getting the point. What you got in FOG 5 years ago is completely irrelevant.
Before GOD the market was out of whack, stacks of inflation and items were way too easy to get. So they though oh I know we 'll take the game back to where it was, you know, when you actually had to spend a month in FG (that's what Seal of Shillen was called back then) getting mold glues to craft your stupid doom armor and hardeners to craft your BOP or whatever. Scarcity in items and adena worked back then. But they farked it up in a colossal manner in GOD, the post awakened areas had pitiful drops but the pre-awakened areas were left pretty much untouched. End result, a million MOS/Pagan bots generating billions of Adena daily. Poof the back to basics plan went.
Now all they are doing is over-compensating. Korea is not nerfing drops to try to make you spend money on prestige packs in NA, they are trying to re-balance their own out of whack servers. And like everything else in this game, you 're just along for the ride
i m so sorry but i start on official at the end of 2010 and manage to get a full build and a 85 in less than 18 months, back there the top bow was a +16 recurv bow that cost 4b adena (back there if i sold my vorpal1800 set and grind for a few months i could bought that bow), i saw that bow moving to naia and comingback to chronos. the bots already **** the game, no countermeasure ll stop that, how much cost a top bow today? can u farm the adena to buy one?
this example and this question explains the reality of the game.
ps: i rather pay for a 30 day game and getback what we used to have than pay for this crap game today.
not that agree with the nerfs but you 're really not getting the point. What you got in FOG 5 years ago is completely irrelevant.
Before GOD the market was out of whack, stacks of inflation and items were way too easy to get. So they though oh I know we 'll take the game back to where it was, you know, when you actually had to spend a month in FG (that's what Seal of Shillen was called back then) getting mold glues to craft your stupid doom armor and hardeners to craft your BOP or whatever. Scarcity in items and adena worked back then. But they farked it up in a colossal manner in GOD, the post awakened areas had pitiful drops but the pre-awakened areas were left pretty much untouched. End result, a million MOS/Pagan bots generating billions of Adena daily. Poof the back to basics plan went.
Now all they are doing is over-compensating. Korea is not nerfing drops to try to make you spend money on prestige packs in NA, they are trying to re-balance their own out of whack servers. And like everything else in this game, you 're just along for the ride
Actually I would say it is very relevant what happened in that chronicle and what happened to you in forgotten gateway is that bead example, if you remember correctly the biggest success was in that period of time, why, simply because the larger part of the community was actually ... Happy, if they don't want everyone to get easey gear they can always put up some things that drop that aren't easey to get.
You don't go of fto PUNISH an entire community because some people want it harder, you need to listen to the 90 % of the game community and not the 10 % who want it harder...
Just give those 10 % some exclusive stuff hard to get and your problem is fixed whitout making your other 90 % thinking of quitting because it gets ridiculously hard.
And I'm sorry to break your bubble, even in the game factory...
it is still a factory made to make money...
Adena drops haven't been relevant in years. Unless you're a 24/7 bot train.
I don't know anyone who was farming adena or gaining anything from adena drops. The way to get money and items is by doing instances and killing raids. That was the way to do it in Valiance and its the same now.
In my clan some people do field raids every day, and they say the drops are better than before the update. That was and is the best way to level up and get some loot in the process.
Kartia drops seem better, considering it almost never dropped anything before. Baylor is more or less the same. Dim. Warp can help quite a bit in gaining SP.
Getting to 85 is a couple of days of play.
I made Ertheia and played to about level 60, just to see how it plays. Couldn't notice any big difference to leveling before the update. Till 85, all you need is money for soulshots, and i had enough. At 85 you do legendary tales, start doing kartia, soa, tere, zaken, freya, then lv.88 field raids etc. Preferably level up another character to do legendary tales again, and keep it for zaken, freya. Adena drops are not even in the picture.
Another thing I noticed leveling to 60, is 0 bots in places that were previously filled with them. Specifically Outlaw Forest and Forsaken Plains. So, I'm quite happy about that.
I also haven't seen any bots in the bloody swampland. At least in the area where you do that daily quest. Which was also previously filled with bot trains. Whether they are banning the bots, or the botters don't find its worth farming at current adena drop rates, i don't know. But sure is a nice sight.
At the time of this post, i checked Wall of Argos, also clean of bots.
This is on Naia server btw.
Adena drops haven't been relevant in years. Unless you're a 24/7 bot train.
I don't know anyone who was farming adena or gaining anything from adena drops. The way to get money and items is by doing instances and killing raids. That was the way to do it in Valiance and its the same now.
In my clan some people do field raids every day, and they say the drops are better than before the update. That was and is the best way to level up and get some loot in the process.
Kartia drops seem better, considering it almost never dropped anything before. Baylor is more or less the same. Dim. Warp can help quite a bit in gaining SP.
Getting to 85 is a couple of days of play.
I made Ertheia and played to about level 60, just to see how it plays. Couldn't notice any big difference to leveling before the update. Till 85, all you need is money for soulshots, and i had enough. At 85 you do legendary tales, start doing kartia, soa, tere, zaken, freya, then lv.88 field raids etc. Preferably level up another character to do legendary tales again, and keep it for zaken, freya. Adena drops are not even in the picture.
Another thing I noticed leveling to 60, is 0 bots in places that were previously filled with them. Specifically Outlaw Forest and Forsaken Plains. So, I'm quite happy about that.
I also haven't seen any bots in the bloody swampland. At least in the area where you do that daily quest. Which was also previously filled with bot trains. Whether they are banning the bots, or the botters don't find its worth farming at current adena drop rates, i don't know. But sure is a nice sight.
At the time of this post, i checked Wall of Argos, also clean of bots.
This is on Naia server btw.
Come take a look on the other servers,
Naia never had the huge bot problems that the servers like chromos and so have, from my own experience Chronos has the largest bot community , that is why I left that server, went back to take a look, outlaw forest woa hot springs pack-filled with bots on Chronos, ertheian bots...
Come take a look on the other servers,
Naia never had the huge bot problems that the servers like chromos and so have, from my own experience Chronos has the largest bot community , that is why I left that server, went back to take a look, outlaw forest woa hot springs pack-filled with bots on Chronos, ertheian bots...
That's entirely false. All the places i mentioned and many others, have been filled with bots, 24/7, for years.
I just checked the same places on Chronos, including hot springs, out of curiosity, and there were no bots to be seen.
in all world are tons of privete server with 5k~online there are no bots they hewe protecions,wey work for it u all siting w8 for more bots cuz if player get bot hi buy runes( exp, drop ,spoil,) all items in store to get max lvl and u dont need to remove bots cuz u will lose your mony if ppl cant play with bots u dont get your fast mony so do like in MU ONLINE make offical bot and do with l2 hi is alredy dead no one cears about this game wy like this game someone play this 24/7 and cant see this mass of bots now 60 lvl mob droping 100-50~ adena how to start play to new players say my how if u farm all day to get for shots and teleports how if u dont wana to spend your mony .Or u take this game to p2p or i dont no let us feals free in this game now if u vana get faster lvl or some one i just cant cuz u need to pay your hard maked mony for Nccoints wy? i must pay its free to play here is not playing its making us stupeds u nerf all arouns sp adenas spoil drop exp q drop all for wath u wan play normal mode u need nccoins
The more nerfs the better, less nabs and more of their drama. :D
Now try to delete all of your characters and start again to see how it then talk when it becomes empty pockets and mob drop 50 Aden and then u say after this nerf start for new ppls is imposible its jus t simply is not worth wasting time u will farm 20k adena in day lol
Now try to delete all of your characters and start again to see how it then talk when it becomes empty pockets and mob drop 50 Aden and then u say after this nerf start for new ppls is imposible its jus t simply is not worth wasting time u will farm 20k adena in day lol
The nerfs are kinda bad, it especially sucks with the SS and BSPS taken out of PoA. HOWEVER, it isn't that hard to make money when you get to the higher levels. The drops from RBs are better, including the Kartia bosses and Teredor.
Not to mention that levelling up some quests give good adena rewards.
If they leave the nerfs where they are now and maybe stick soulshots and spiritshots into the new Path of Awakening then it should be fine. Maybe reverse the adena nerfs at the higher levels considering you get nothing from Hellbound, otherwise it isn't as bad as everyone crying wolf makes it out to be. There used to be a time where all you were given is wooden armor, a crap weapon, and a whole world to explore.
in all world are tons of privete server with 5k~online there are no bots they hewe protecions,wey work for it u all siting w8 for more bots cuz if player get bot hi buy runes( exp, drop ,spoil,) all items in store to get max lvl and u dont need to remove bots cuz u will lose your mony if ppl cant play with bots u dont get your fast mony so do like in MU ONLINE make offical bot and do with l2 hi is alredy dead no one cears about this game wy like this game someone play this 24/7 and cant see this mass of bots now 60 lvl mob droping 100-50~ adena how to start play to new players say my how if u farm all day to get for shots and teleports how if u dont wana to spend your mony .Or u take this game to p2p or i dont no let us feals free in this game now if u vana get faster lvl or some one i just cant cuz u need to pay your hard maked mony for Nccoints wy? i must pay its free to play here is not playing its making us stupeds u nerf all arouns sp adenas spoil drop exp q drop all for wath u wan play normal mode u need nccoins
sory for my wery bad english
you forget to mention that in the past, you could hunt WHITOUT soulshots,
the mobs strength was relative so was their hp, u didn't really need them...
Secondly in the past mobs around elftown dropped around 200 adena +
And if u did quests like spore fungus a dozen times u'd have over a 100 k before u even hit lvl 15....
Not to mention that u could doe AOE easy in those days, which made u win a couple millions.
The point I like the least about these nerfs is the quest items that drop too few, if they want us to do the quests longer, just put a higher amount, don't say 50 items or 77 items when in reality u have to kill over 300 or more mobs to get those 50 quest items.
U want us to kill more for quests ... fine, just put the **** amount higher...
it is UBER frustrating to only see 1 quest item gained every 50 - 60 monsters or so, it's psychologically driving people angry to not see the quest advance .
So if the quest remains at the rate set, just set in a higher amount, for everyone's peace of mind.