WAW! I have been ejected from party room for Kartia because my Sayha's Seer is a noob class! Finally I have been accepted by another party. It was my first Kartia after reaching lvl 85... Surprise! My AOE is so stupid that I agree with the 1st PL: Noob char! after getting all mobs together my AOE blows them away!!! No comments. A game where we must play in party and my AOE is stupid, only useful for me when I play alone! A mage in robe jumping over mobs (ok it has a good Pdef), a AOE blowing mobs away... how it will be in PvP? I need to know before delete this char. Thx
Try going PvP :) most SS dies so easily to other classes, cause they use only 2 or 3 different skills, and has no idea, how to use them properly :) however if you have brain... Well... My eviscerator at 87 was enough to put down lvl 95 tyrr
Most people are saying good things about this class, especially in oly, perhaps you should try another approach when you are in a group than what you are currently doing ?
From what others say, I myself feel perhaps I was to hasty in abandoning my own fluffy, but then again, I would have to want to play seriously to not have abandoned it. :o
Thx for your feelings. The truth is: this char is really strong. It jumps on a boss and hardly needs healer! I'm yet noob with this char but I did today Zaken w/o healer in PT and it was good... in robe "tanking" Zaken... and in Kartia PT when all warriors got fear I was there hiting boss! I heard that is too strong in PvP... I wil try to see. Thx a lot.
BTW Why I got my dual class at lyl 85?????? Easy game!
wow, yeah never thought of ramification for mass pvp being a close range robe user. at least other nukers can sit in the back and dish destruction without risk.
i had a sayha seer in k85 yesterday.
we had a nuker or two, so i was happy enough with the Force of 1% magic crit.
The sayha's seer isn't really a good PvE class as its AOE isn't good and its single target is on par with a feoh wizard with double casting and arcane power... which still isn't good compared to physical DDs... In PvP though its either good if you are or terrible if you are.
You dont need a aoe to be a good pve class single dps on mobs are just as good. Like the eviscerator that has limeted aoe but is a great single taregt DD.
Try using hydro attack with next target combination untill boss zone. Yes we dont have any decent aoes except 1 which knocks down and a lame aoe at 98 with 3 sec casting time, huge mp consumption (yet again on pve it isn't a problem) and huge cd. Eventhough, with hydro attack you still deal more damage than a single target feoh. Learn how to toggle hydro drain and flare and you'll be happy with your character.
My AOE is so stupid that I agree with the 1st PL: Noob char! after getting all mobs together my AOE blows them away
Char? Or player?
Hints:
Do not use that aoe skill when do not need.
Use simple macro to fast autotarget single mobs, to help killing them rather fast.
People do not even care about you if you do not push anything away.
In PvP the Sasha seer is more about timing and patience than skill spamming imo. If you are patient and smart you should have little problem killing most classes even if they are a few levels ahead of you. Just wait on your deceptive blink and your wind blends to cool down. Get in do damage get out and wait.
well, in this game only 2 clases have good damage aoe: Feoh and Yull.
Tyrr Dread have some interesting aoe skills but not for damage ...for stun :)
The rest of clases: Tank, ISS, Healer, Wynn..mby Othel(i didnt play till now) have a lol aoe damage. I mean they shoud play with their best skils not to try aoe :)
Sahya's Seer and Eviscerator are single target DD/Nuker...why you need AOE?
In Kartia for mobs???Rly???
I saw ppl comparing Sahya's Seer with a feoh with Arcane ...lol, its not even close the same thing...
Feoh=ranger with no Hide skils, SS=close combat wizard with almoust perma hide...So, playstile is very very diferent.
Feoh have a playstile more like Yulls: kite hit BulsEye hit kite stun hit hit.
Shya's Seer play like a Dagger...hide hit hit blink hit hit hide and so on.
Its unbeliveble how ppl QQ even when his char its way over powered!!!
PS: In PVP or PVE you cant hit what you cant see :)
well, in this game only 2 clases have good damage aoe: Feoh and Yull.
Tyrr Dread have some interesting aoe skills but not for damage ...for stun :)
The rest of clases: Tank, ISS, Healer, Wynn..mby Othel(i didnt play till now) have a lol aoe damage. I mean they shoud play with their best skils not to try aoe :)
Sahya's Seer and Eviscerator are single target DD/Nuker...why you need AOE?
In Kartia for mobs???Rly???
I saw ppl comparing Sahya's Seer with a feoh with Arcane ...lol, its not even close the same thing...
Feoh=ranger with no Hide skils, SS=close combat wizard with almoust perma hide...So, playstile is very very diferent.
Feoh have a playstile more like Yulls: kite hit BulsEye hit kite stun hit hit.
Shya's Seer play like a Dagger...hide hit hit blink hit hit hide and so on.
Its unbeliveble how ppl QQ even when his char its way over powered!!!
PS: In PVP or PVE you cant hit what you cant see :)
your clearly clueless, yul is not good at AoE if u would not just look at the skills and take damage also and cool downs ull see yul is crap.
best AoE class is Tyrr hands down if u know how to play u can tear apart anything twice as fast as Feoh.
all i remember was feoh doing aoe ~60k damage with reuse
tyrr doing aoe ~50/100k damage on crits each swing
sure tyrr sucks at AoE no cool down needs no mana just simple attack
tyrr > mage > all other crap
matter of fact i rather have a othel + mage party then yul + mage but on the other hand i dont care randoms always make these ******ed parties not knownin that other classes are far more usefull..
like a summoner using its OLD magic summons > yul dps on AoE since all new zones are kinda weak to magic and insane strong against pshyical
oye we all forgot about old wynn summons they are utter **** ;)
use ur brain become smarter
here another example poison zone from dagger is -35% mdef(i believe) and speed and other crap(now it prolly doesnt matter to randoms who never use a snare on their feoh but for once who do they will not run so fast off out of the snares the tank can run closer circles around the mobs cus they are slowed etc blaabal woeoeoe0e0e0 :D) i rather have that debuff then a ****** archer who does tops ~10 to 30k damage on new zone mobs in a AoE while single target dagger is dishing out 100k + easily + tons of half kills + debuffs
jup all take them feoh and archer in pt while u can rack up alot more xp with other classes and no! im not saying go with full dagger party to gainak to half kill because thats fail XP also
matter of fact if u have mostly melee dps ur far better off in orbis pullin trains (which is a god forgotten place for all randoms) then going to gainak trying to xp on half kills just saying!
Redmen, you seems mad bro! Are on drugs?Did you read Juanita post?
Pls use your lonely neuron and think twice when you offend someone :)
Come back and play, you will be surprised how game changed.
Only 2 tyrrs have Polearm mastery, Titan and Dreadnought, and they are not even close to feoh as AOE damage…
Normal hit? Lol, come back to eart! None will keep you in party if you don’t use skils :)
Ofc, if you have set +8 full epics +16 Pole all passive skils +10 you sure hit hard on aoe…but here we talk about normal things….
For a very short period of time Titan have huge DPS, Dreadnought its only for stun…but that’s all, Duelist, GK, Doombringer don’t use pole…And ofc. generaly, except TITAN, all tyrrs sux in matter of damage with "normal gear"
Im not saying they(others except Feoh or Yull) are not good in party coz for sure they are…but only if they hit with their best skils…
And YES, I keep my opinion…in long term farm(AOE farming aka Fairy,Swamp,spicula, etc this is for redman for his understanding of AOE) Feohs and Yulls are first, then Tyrr Titan(to please redmed) and after: the others in strictly matter of aoe damage.
For your info, all wynns stoped use Grim Reapers…why? Im sure you already know that…coz you are a pro and you know everything. Like I said, I don’t know Daggers..but I can guess it’s a mostly single target class:)..so, not so much aoe for daggers too.
Last, I didn’t said anything about “best party formation” and where/how to kill mobs.
Decently equipped tyrr, backed into a corner, with mobs in front of him dishes out pretty nice damage with pole +4 dmg up 300 attribute. It can use aoe stun to reduce the dmg from mobs on tank or himself. Does not need mana so no downtime.
As for the user of skills on tyrr, at least on maestro, either aoe (pole) or rb (2h sword) don't require constant spamming with skills (as in, the skill does less damage than the crit of the 2h sword does, about half). At least during BR, it's a complete waste of dps to use skills. With pole, you can use skills, stun is good, but dmg wise, I don't see more dmg from skills.
I did play an archmage, its aoe dmg is good, but I don't really enjoy that you're mana dependant.
Othell Fortune Seeker also dishes out pretty good aoe dmg. It has 3 aoe skills, one of them require basically no mana, as has only 3 second cooldown. All 3 aoe skills can be spammed (the other 2 have about 5-10 seconds cooldown). It can aoe solo in an area with herbs (like fairy / SOH / S2).
From personal experience I would say that othell gets more hp from VR than tyrr gets (might be because the othell hits more mobs at once, because of the use of skills).
WAW! I have been ejected from party room for Kartia because my Sayha's Seer is a noob class! Finally I have been accepted by another party. It was my first Kartia after reaching lvl 85... Surprise! My AOE is so stupid that I agree with the 1st PL: Noob char! after getting all mobs together my AOE blows them away!!! No comments. A game where we must play in party and my AOE is stupid, only useful for me when I play alone! A mage in robe jumping over mobs (ok it has a good Pdef), a AOE blowing mobs away... how it will be in PvP? I need to know before delete this char. Thx
Try the fighter class out, it's crazy strong for single target, and I think it's slightly more interesting to play than the mage. Both classes suck for aoe though.
if you are in a party with a feoh and a dagger your wynn soul reapers will do a lot of damage with the aoe. they have an astounding m.attack. their p.attack is quite lacking though.
poor tyrr Maestro gets neglected by Ncsoft and ignorant players alike.
as for VR, the new VR is skill based which is a little BS if you ask me.
Enchanter gets a ton of hp back in AOE which is nice, but i could see how tyrr in a pole situation might not get back as much.
i use a Maestro to pole to get my lowbies to awaken.
having a golem is nice because it reduces the experience i gain so i don't have to kill the Maestro as often. also i am fond of using the transfer pain talisman.
Lol why would u need a dager + mage on party for AOE? Mass devils curse and Mass crippling atk will cap the m def of any target.
Tyrr has potential for more dps than nuker simply coz auto-atk has no reuse and can crit all time if u stack 500 crit rate.
Only 2 tyrrs have Polearm mastery, Titan and Dreadnought, and they are not even close to feoh as AOE damage…
Normal hit? Lol,
Ofc, if you have set +8 full epics +16 Pole all passive skils +10 you sure hit hard on aoe…but here we talk about normal things….
For a very short period of time Titan have huge DPS, Dreadnought its only for stun…
…in long term farm(AOE farming aka Fairy,Swamp,spicula, etc this is for redman for his understanding of AOE) Feohs and Yulls are first, then Tyrr Titan(to please redmed) and after: the others in strictly matter of aoe damage.
WTH did i just read..bolded the most non-sense parts.
ZaNerf, its about AOE damage not AOE Party...
Juanita ask in this post about Ertheia Sahya's Seer AOE, my guess was that she have a problem with gamestile and i reply in my first post:
"I saw ppl comparing Sahya's Seer with a feoh with Arcane ...lol, its not even close the same thing...
Feoh=ranger with no Hide skils, SS=close combat wizard with almoust perma hide...So, playstile is very very diferent.
Feoh have a playstile more like Yulls: kite hit BulsEye hit kite stun hit hit.
Shya's Seer play like a Dagger...hide hit hit blink hit hit hide and so on."
Sience im ISS 99 /Tyrr Dreadnought 96/ blablabla i guess i know few things about Tyrr. Indeed Tyrr have potential for more dps...but with what cost?(adena). Question is like that...if i put the same amount of bilions of adena in a Yull/Feoh, he will be over Tyrr in matter of damage?
I said "normal things" coz if i have 100 bilions to invest i will make an ISS to AOE like a boss :)) ....what is nonsense in "normal things"?
And pls dont twist my words, my eng is bad but i think you understand exactly what im saying :)
PS: Tyrr got nefert when they cut from 40%(i dont remember exactly) to 10% Spirit of the Slayer....