For a limited time, the famous Elemental Shirts will be available for purchase by mere mortals once more. Do you dare to pursue the power of the Shiny Elemental Shirt?
For the next two weeks, from October 8th to October 22nd, you will be able to buy Elemental Shirt Boxes. Each box has an 80% chance to contain the shirt the box is named for; but there is also a 20% chance to get the new Shiny Elemental Shirt. So get your shirts and start enchanting!
Last year/event i didn't have a shiny shirt when you rewarded them, but turned my paágrio into shiny a few months ago. This means the reward will count also to my shirt?
I remember in the past, old shirts got rewarded too the year after.
Everyone should chill. Making a +7 shirt is hard, expensive, so people dreaming of making +16 armor can dream some more. It's at least 50k€ or even more.
Last year/event i didn't have a shiny shirt when you rewarded them, but turned my paágrio into shiny a few months ago. This means the reward will count also to my shirt?
I remember in the past, old shirts got rewarded too the year after.
Yes you'll be rewarded, regardless if you made it shiny during the promotional period or before. As long as it's not broken at the end of the promotion.
Hello , i have shiny element shirt +9 since the first event when reward was 7 sing talisman, if i keep +9 i will be rewarded again?
if not , if i try +10 i will get reward then?
i use 15k of ncoin in this morning, and i have nothing, really? well i want think is bad luck only, but i want kill myself, after use that 15k i go out of my house in my car and crush.. really today its no my day...
well with Enchant success rate + 10% I wouldn't get to worried..
there used to be such scroll for making +16 weapons and I know of ppl failing that 30+ times :)
Well, +10%, and another 10% form the mapr shirt could make the difference...
I know it's crazy, but imagine that there is a crazy dude that decides to invest a crazy amount of money on this and, with the ones from past events, he gets 30 shiny +7. Is it that unlikely to get a +16 tunic?
Well, +10%, and another 10% form the mapr shirt could make the difference...
I know it's crazy, but imagine that there is a crazy dude that decides to invest a crazy amount of money on this and, with the ones from past events, he gets 30 shiny +7. Is it that unlikely to get a +16 tunic?
Still HIGHLY unlikely that 30 Ancient scrolls could get an armor piece to +16. As some tests have shown, armor enchant success rate diminishes at a pretty regressive rate the higher the enchant.
Additionally, it has also be shown that enchant success rate modifiers do NOT add a flat % increase to enchant success rate.
For example; Enchanting an armor piece from +3 - +4 has roughly a 60% chance of success. A 30% Lucky Enchant Stone DOES NOT increase the success rate to 90% (60% + 30%); instead it increases the BASE rate by 30%. So you get 60*1.3=78 (78% success rate). Base success rate for going from +5 - +6 is only about 25% so even with modifiers (25*1.3*1.1=35.75) it is still pretty low. I can't remember where I saw it (I think it was either Rochand or Innova forums) but I think +9 - +10 was less than 4% success rate so even with this scroll, a HG Lucky Stone, and a +9 Maphr Shirt you are still only looking at 6.5% chance to succeed.
I wouldn't worry too much about seeing a lot of +16 Armor Sets out there :)
yea, i threw them 500 to see if I could get a +7 or 8 on an alt toon. no luck, 500 down the drain. I starting to think NCWEST doesnt like me :) Think I will just go afk fishing til the game dies.
Hello , i have shiny element shirt +9 since the first event when reward was 7 sing talisman, if i keep +9 i will be rewarded again?
if not , if i try +10 i will get reward then?
i use 15k of ncoin in this morning, and i have nothing, really? well i want think is bad luck only, but i want kill myself, after use that 15k i go out of my house in my car and crush.. really today its no my day...
yea, i threw them 500 to see if I could get a +7 or 8 on an alt toon. no luck, 500 down the drain. I starting to think NCWEST doesnt like me :) Think I will just go afk fishing til the game dies.
The mechanism of games like these is to make people gamble and lose.
Welcome to the P2W model.
The more you invest, the bigger the fool you are and the better they laugh.
It's like having the devil help you and in exchange take your soul (your money). Only in this case you don't receive anything of greater value but you can lose everything if you slip and gamble too much.
i use 15k of ncoin in this morning, and i have nothing, really? well i want think is bad luck only, but i want kill myself, after use that 15k i go out of my house in my car and crush.. really today its no my day...
U are not unlucky so must it be with 10% chance. Only those who already had enchanted shirts from last event will win something.
U better spend this 200$ on some real stuff seriously.
U are not unlucky so must it be with 10% chance. Only those who already had enchanted shirts from last event will win something.
U better spend this 200$ on some real stuff seriously.
200$... good lord... are people seriously out of their minds or are they filthy rich and don't know what to do with money.
Think for a moment, 200$ on an item in a game... they are paying for pixels...
CRAZY?!
On the other hand, NC achieved what all the others with the same shoddy business model - paying for pixels pays off far more than paying for a monthly subscription.
The game goes to hell, but that doesn't bother anybody as long as they have the pixels they paid for. When they don't, they will bang their even so empty heads against whatever is at hand because they wasted a fortune on something that wasn't worth it.
The fact that spending money on pixels creates uneven grounds for the rest of the community doesn't bother anyone either.
200$... good lord... are people seriously out of their minds or are they filthy rich and don't know what to do with money.
Think for a moment, 200$ on an item in a game... they are paying for pixels...
CRAZY?!
On the other hand, NC achieved what all the others with the same shoddy business model - paying for pixels pays off far more than paying for a monthly subscription.
Someone buys something for 200$. Someone else buys another thing for 200$. Don't judge people on how they spend their money.
iMac is an overpriced crap for me so I won't spend 2000$ on it.
PC is not an overpriced crap for me so I will spend 3000$ on it.
People amaze me how they just judge someone, by how they spend money. Even if it is just an imaginary item. It makes the money flow. Now imagine noone buying anything but food. And see the world collapse in 10 years.
Someone buys something for 200$. Someone else buys another thing for 200$. Don't judge people on how they spend their money.
iMac is an overpriced crap for me so I won't spend 2000$ on it.
PC is not an overpriced crap for me so I will spend 3000$ on it.
People amaze me how they just judge someone, by how they spend money. Even if it is just an imaginary item. It makes the money flow. Now imagine noone buying anything but food. And see the world collapse in 10 years.
What you said doesn't justify the empty-headedness of people, paying for virtual items is madness.
And by the way, judging and trying to make them open their eyes are different things.
Yes you'll be rewarded, regardless if you made it shiny during the promotional period or before. As long as it's not broken at the end of the promotion.
Basically all old and newly created shiny shirts who are in your account at the end of the promotion will count towarths this new promotion of receiving the +7 to +10 bonusses. This also means all shirts which are transformed with Shiny Shirt Exchange Stones to Shiny shirts recently will also be included to receive these bonusses. As long as it's not broken at the end of the promotion. The answer can't be more clear in my opinion.
+9 ????!! lol G T F O
I know two Players with +9 Shiny Shirts and I know one Player which showed me a +10 Elemental Shirt before. The question is. Did this player use a Exchange Stone to make it a +10 Shiny Shirt. I bet he will 100% for shure now to take the Dragon Stage 1 Weapon by choice.
What you said doesn't justify the empty-headedness of people, paying for virtual items is madness.
And by the way, judging and trying to make them open their eyes are different things.
It's THEIR money. You have no say in that. If they want to burn it all, they can do so.
It's called freedom mate.
And trying to convert the people that buy pixels is just time wasting. Spend time on yourself, and stop caring about peoples economics. You are going to look like you're a poor dude, that can't afford it. It may or may not be true. But that's the first thing people that buy something irrelevant in life think of.
Now I, sound like I wan't to convert you to not giving a ****! xD
It's THEIR money. You have no say in that. If they want to burn it all, they can do so.
It's called freedom mate.
And trying to convert the people that buy pixels is just time wasting. Spend time on yourself, and stop caring about peoples economics. You are going to look like you're a poor dude, that can't afford it. It may or may not be true. But that's the first thing people that buy something irrelevant in life think of.
Now I, sound like I wan't to convert you to not giving a ****! xD
You're right in what you're saying about not advising them because it's their money, but think of it this way:
if they continue supporting NC in this we won't have back the environment we had. The balance in this game will continue to crumble because until they see an income from pixels they will continue adding more until this game won't be playable anymore.
Do you really think I would do something just out of plain love for people I don't know? C'mon. It's everybody's game, not just the donors. I only wish for something better, not worse, and I know that by funding NC's campaign it will become only worse.
Think for a moment, 200$ on an item in a game... they are paying for pixels...
CRAZY?!
Have you ever bought a PC game, a console game?
You've bought pixels.
You're playing this game on a PC, on a PC you've paid money for.
You've bought pixels.
You may think "I can buy this game this month, i had alot of overtime at work, so it wont hurt me"... maybe they are doing the same, funny how you judge people :rolleyes:
Have you ever bought a PC game, a console game?
You've bought pixels.
You're playing this game on a PC, on a PC you've paid money for.
You've bought pixels.
You may think "I can buy this game this month, i had alot of overtime at work, so it wont hurt me"... maybe they are doing the same, funny how you judge people :rolleyes:
Dude, you're a complete *** who tries to catch people on words, not meanings.
Of course everyone with an IQ decent enough understands that when people say "pixels" here they mean in-game virtual items.
You're right in what you're saying about not advising them because it's their money, but think of it this way:
if they continue supporting NC in this we won't have back the environment we had. The balance in this game will continue to crumble because until they see an income from pixels they will continue adding more until this game won't be playable anymore.
Do you really think I would do something just out of plain love for people I don't know? C'mon. It's everybody's game, not just the donors. I only wish for something better, not worse, and I know that by funding NC's campaign it will become only worse.
Tbh the game changed so much not because f2p or p2w. It's the crap content, that's really killing it. And l2store is just a final blow.
But let's look at the brand new content. The brand new nightmare kamaloka. It's so much stupid, time wasting, idiotic I have no idea what the korean dude was trying to accomplish with it. It makes no sense to do it. Takes to long, crap rewards.
They've made up a new class with nothing to do with Lore (as far as I know), just so they could get "new" player base. Or to refresh the game.
Someone buys something for 200$. Someone else buys another thing for 200$. Don't judge people on how they spend their money.
iMac is an overpriced crap for me so I won't spend 2000$ on it.
PC is not an overpriced crap for me so I will spend 3000$ on it.
People amaze me how they just judge someone, by how they spend money. Even if it is just an imaginary item. It makes the money flow. Now imagine noone buying anything but food. And see the world collapse in 10 years.
There is a BIG difference between spending money and giving them away. Even in casino u can win something but not here not on this event. I can tell that with 100% chance nobody will get their shirt even to +5 on this event.
P/S/ I donate myself but i buy some real things not air what NC is trying to sell us.
There is a BIG difference between spending money and giving them away. Even in casino u can win something but not here not on this event. I can tell that with 100% chance nobody will get their shirt even to +5 on this event.
The chance will probably be as high as previous events, why would they lower it for this specific event?
other events had better rewards!
There is a BIG difference between spending money and giving them away. Even in casino u can win something but not here not on this event. I can tell that with 100% chance nobody will get their shirt even to +5 on this event.
That's just total propaganda talk.
Clan mate made a +7 shirt from first try. And it was shinny. It's possible, I even though it was a bug since he was so lucky. 30$ for a +7, yes it's possible.
The chance will probably be as high as previous events, why would they lower it for this specific event?
other events had better rewards!
This event rewards are better than on the last one. Why would they lower? Because it will do more income, thats simple. Seriously on NCs place i would do the same.
rates to enchant shiny or normal element shirts are the same? I mean to make a shiny +7 has the same rate as if I ware to make normal element shirt +7 witch I can after change to shiny with stone?
This event rewards are better than on the last one. Why would they lower? Because it will do more income, thats simple. Seriously on NCs place i would do the same.
They have no need to change it. The odds are already completely skewed in their favor. Most people will need to spend thousands upon thousands of NCoin to get even a +7, let alone higher. And a few really lucky people will get it after spending very little, maybe even just some extra ncoin they had on the account already.
Same as last time.
One person I know got a +7 with $20USD.
Another spent almost $1k USD trying for the same.
As for the "just pixels" argument.
Meh. People buy stuff all the time that holds no real value. It may be a "physical" item, but that doesn't mean it's worth much.
How many people buy games, music, or movies online now? That's not a physical thing. They pay for it, and for as long as the DRM works or they keep the file around, it's "theirs". But at some point it could vanish into the wind, in some cases even if they have the file it will still not work because it required a service running online that no longer exists.
It's a different world out there now, not everything of value is physical. Bitcoin is a perfect example. It's a currency, traded, valued, and usable. But there's nothing there, it's all digital.
ONLY reason I post what I spend is to let others know these events arent a sure thing and a huge risk. My financial situation is not in any jeapardy. But I hear from many others they just maxed out their credit card for nothing, yada, yada. So I try to help with my results. I can stop posting my losses as it seems nobody cares and everyone is smarter than me.
This event rewards are better than on the last one. Why would they lower? Because it will do more income, thats simple. Seriously on NCs place i would do the same.
Getting 8+ or higher is like winning the lottery, getting 7+ is still possible with "little" money spent.
And compare these rewards with.. i personally think the old ones are better, especially since the 7+ reward is much better (since getting 7+ is still "easy", 8+ and higher is impossible^^)
<table border="4" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td style="width: 150px;">Enchantment Level 7</td><td> Dark Amaranthine Stone x1</td></tr><tr><td> Enchantment Level 8</td><td> Heavenly Enchant Armor Scroll R-Grade x1 (100% chance to enchant)</td></tr><tr><td> Enchantment Level 9</td><td> Talisman of Seven Signs</td></tr><tr><td style="width: 130px;"> Enchantment Level 10</td><td> Full Dark Eternal Armor Set enchanted to +8 and one Dark Amaranthine Weapon enchanted to +8.</td></tr></tbody></table>
ONLY reason I post what I spend is to let others know these events arent a sure thing and a huge risk. My financial situation is not in any jeapardy. But I hear from many others they just maxed out their credit card for nothing, yada, yada. So I try to help with my results. I can stop posting my losses as it seems nobody cares and everyone is smarter than me.
Please dont, its interesting to read about rewards received and money spent etc.
Some people are just jealous.
What's the real stat of the skills the shirts get at +7? For example, Eva's says it heals Hp/Mp/Cp, but how much? 100%? How much is the duration of Pa'agrio's "Unbind" skill?
Edit: NVM, I guess it's the same as in the Shiny shirt right?
I used 3 timecards ($75), made a +7 shiny shirt, and got 1500 NCoins leftover yesterday.
iMac is an overpriced crap for me so I won't spend 2000$ on it.
PC is not an overpriced crap for me so I will spend 3000$ on it.
Most people buy Apple products because of the status that comes with them. The same idea applies to other products such as cars. Why would people pay thousands of dollars more for a Mercedes-Benz when they can pay less for a beemer with possibly better performance?
rates to enchant shiny or normal element shirts are the same? I mean to make a shiny +7 has the same rate as if I ware to make normal element shirt +7 witch I can after change to shiny with stone?
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anyone have any info about this and can answer pls
Yes you'll be rewarded, regardless if you made it shiny during the promotional period or before. As long as it's not broken at the end of the promotion.
Do shirts made and rewarded during the previous promotion get rewarded once again?
Oh nvm, I read above... But an official confirmation would be nice, I know some +7 shirts owners who would be happy about it 8)
Hello , i have shiny element shirt +9 since the first event when reward was 7 sing talisman, if i keep +9 i will be rewarded again?
if not , if i try +10 i will get reward then?
Keep your +9 shirt and enjoy your new lindvior earring!
Still HIGHLY unlikely that 30 Ancient scrolls could get an armor piece to +16. As some tests have shown, armor enchant success rate diminishes at a pretty regressive rate the higher the enchant.
Additionally, it has also be shown that enchant success rate modifiers do NOT add a flat % increase to enchant success rate.
For example; Enchanting an armor piece from +3 - +4 has roughly a 60% chance of success. A 30% Lucky Enchant Stone DOES NOT increase the success rate to 90% (60% + 30%); instead it increases the BASE rate by 30%. So you get 60*1.3=78 (78% success rate). Base success rate for going from +5 - +6 is only about 25% so even with modifiers (25*1.3*1.1=35.75) it is still pretty low. I can't remember where I saw it (I think it was either Rochand or Innova forums) but I think +9 - +10 was less than 4% success rate so even with this scroll, a HG Lucky Stone, and a +9 Maphr Shirt you are still only looking at 6.5% chance to succeed.
I wouldn't worry too much about seeing a lot of +16 Armor Sets out there :)
this being said there already people with +11-12 dark items so this event isnt what break the game because people with money will always find a way to gain an advantage with or without ncsoft trying , if anything now I ll be able to enjoy the thrill of trying to +9 my dark armor once something I couldnt do on my budget before. ;)
If I have a +8 shiny shirt from the very first event and have already been rewarded for it, do I get another reward this time just for having it?
If not, could I attempt and possibly make a +9 shiny shirt and get lindvior earring?
A clarification would be very helpful.
Thanks
You get a hero scroll if u keep at +8 or go for the grand prize ( +10- prize is nothing compared to +9 one , clans with dragon weapons use them for alts to kill AQ faster lol ) and get a lindvior out of nothing but if you break it you re out of an essential item ( shirt +7 or more) and you also lose the hero scroll(which ofcourse is nothing to lindvior)..
200$... good lord... are people seriously out of their minds or are they filthy rich and don't know what to do with money.
Think for a moment, 200$ on an item in a game... they are paying for pixels...
CRAZY?!
On the other hand, NC achieved what all the others with the same shoddy business model - paying for pixels pays off far more than paying for a monthly subscription.
The game goes to hell, but that doesn't bother anybody as long as they have the pixels they paid for. When they don't, they will bang their even so empty heads against whatever is at hand because they wasted a fortune on something that wasn't worth it.
The fact that spending money on pixels creates uneven grounds for the rest of the community doesn't bother anyone either.
its a hobby and people suprisingly ( especially in 1st world countries like this game is directed at already ) have money to blow for their hobbies without losing their home , get over it if you personally cannot afford that and play your own game on your own terms.
Still HIGHLY unlikely that 30 Ancient scrolls could get an armor piece to +16. As some tests have shown, armor enchant success rate diminishes at a pretty regressive rate the higher the enchant.
Additionally, it has also be shown that enchant success rate modifiers do NOT add a flat % increase to enchant success rate.
For example; Enchanting an armor piece from +3 - +4 has roughly a 60% chance of success. A 30% Lucky Enchant Stone DOES NOT increase the success rate to 90% (60% + 30%); instead it increases the BASE rate by 30%. So you get 60*1.3=78 (78% success rate). Base success rate for going from +5 - +6 is only about 25% so even with modifiers (25*1.3*1.1=35.75) it is still pretty low. I can't remember where I saw it (I think it was either Rochand or Innova forums) but I think +9 - +10 was less than 4% success rate so even with this scroll, a HG Lucky Stone, and a +9 Maphr Shirt you are still only looking at 6.5% chance to succeed.
I wouldn't worry too much about seeing a lot of +16 Armor Sets out there :)
a clan like nova for how much each member clan invest in game / month if they ware to put all together all +7 shirts that all made than they can easily make one +12-+13 full dark set all clan imo
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anyone have any info about this and can answer pls
correct if you have a shiny exchange stone which right now I think are completely sold out on all servers cause everyone who saw this event being announced could figure that out..
correct if you have a shiny exchange stone which right now I think are completely sold out on all servers cause everyone who saw this event being announced could figure that out..
there still are some shiny exchange stones on market ... so normal shirts enchant more easy than shiny?
I guess shinny is easier than other ones. Got +8 from 2 gamecards (infact done em with less than 2k ncoins but i keep on trying) , all shinny went ++5 but other ones poofed at +3-4.
Btw i think enchant chance is rising as ++ is rising on shiny ones ( at least that was how was advertised at pervious events ).
GL all!!
It's THEIR money. You have no say in that. If they want to burn it all, they can do so.
It's called freedom mate.
And trying to convert the people that buy pixels is just time wasting. Spend time on yourself, and stop caring about peoples economics. You are going to look like you're a poor dude, that can't afford it. It may or may not be true. But that's the first thing people that buy something irrelevant in life think of.
Now I, sound like I wan't to convert you to not giving a ****! xD
actually, if you meant that literately than no, in most of the countries in the world there are laws against burning or any other way destroying real money :D
Does anyone know what is the success rate for +7/8 and 9?
I just made one +7 from 1st try with normal scolls because i can't invest too much money in game. Got my shiny shirt from first box as well. However now i wonder if i should keep pushing my luck.
Also the reward for +7 shirt is a enchance armor scoll, if i use it on +2 item it has chance to become +16?
ahhh you gotta be joking right?
long time owners of these +7 and more shirts will get rewarded again?
why the hell are not the game developers supporting new members? instead they support old members that dont need to be supported that much like new ones while demotivating new ones?
gj
It really depends on luck, or at least ncsofts version of luck. You have some people that have spent 100s of dollars and cant get even one shirt to +6, then there are others that can easily make any number of shirts +7 or more. My advice is to try a pack of 10 scrolls and if you fail to get at least +6 then give up. Your toon's luck is unlikely to change.
guys to make cheap shirt +10 u need to have Maphr’s shirt+7 and dwarf maestro with 55luc (or ur class must have max luc +15 from dyes and from new dimensional braceled+luc) that help for enchant on sets,jewels,weapons
guys to make cheap shirt +10 u need to have Maphr’s shirt+7 and dwarf maestro with 55luc (or ur class must have max luc +15 from dyes and from new dimensional braceled+luc) that help for enchant on sets,jewels,weapons
dont forget to drop your baiums ring into water and unequip your set in fog!
Ok so, I bought 10 shirts for adena, all of them broke on +4 except 1 of them went +5 and then broke again on +6. There goes almost 1b wasted when I only wanted the reflect resist from +6 shirt :(