I look at my monthly financials and look at my oly stats and decided this just doesnt make sense. so I frapsed/screenshoted a few matches and looked them over and decided this game just doesnt work right. My favorite was when Iblast hit me for 90k thru giants barrier. that was a fav eye opener. love how gm says skill was working right. anyhow....toodle aloo. my greenbacks arent as good as others.
I look at my monthly financials and look at my oly stats and decided this just doesnt make sense. so I frapsed/screenshoted a few matches and looked them over and decided this game just doesnt work right. My favorite was when Iblast hit me for 90k thru giants barrier. that was a fav eye opener. love how gm says skill was working right. anyhow....toodle aloo. my greenbacks arent as good as others.
Yea juji is on the take, that must be it :rolleyes: You do know those skills were bugged back when I was still doing Oly over a year ago, I doubt anything has changed. There's a delay from when they appear on your bar to when they actually work.
PS- I hope to God that the bit about comparing your financials against your Oly stats was hyperbole.
I do not understand you. this bug has been here for long, ppl passing celestials/giant barrier, debuffing on immunity situations.
I land warlord stuns through purges/cele at least 4-5 times a day due to the delays.
I just cannot understand how it took you since November 2012 till November 2014 to see this bug. It's here before even u joined forum and probably before you joined the game...
I do not understand you. this bug has been here for long, ppl passing celestials/giant barrier, debuffing on immunity situations.
I land warlord stuns through purges/cele at least 4-5 times a day due to the delays.
I just cannot understand how it took you since November 2012 till November 2014 to see this bug. It's here before even u joined forum and probably before you joined the game...
fix* bots pass, they auto use our skills when you use skill and in that time you get ***ed :D
Funny how other tyrs with less equip and no crazy pay to win card can manage to survive in oly.
Since tyrr is one of the strongest classes in oly i dont understand your QQ at all, every skill has a delay, u should know that alrdy and when your oponent clicked earlier u still get the debuff even when u see the animation later. Thats why many people use disparition or unbind or flash or whatever before they use "key skills".
But i understand your frustration, paid 50k Dollars or more for this and other toons, never became hero, never played any role in pvp and now with the last 2 Events NC made it pretty easy to get stuff for everyone u payed alot of $ before, i would be also frustrated.
You fail at NCsoft events, you fail at the game, you fail at learning how to adjust to certain scenarios and situations....
Blame everyone but yourself.
Find a bridge and save the world from having to deal with you reproducing
The guy spent a bunch of money towards the game....he's lost enough without getting beat up by us, let it be. His frustration is just, considering the investment he's made, so any of us would come here too to voice our feelings. Vood, take care....sometimes it's the hard road we take, to learn the lesson.
Funny how other tyrs with less equip and no crazy pay to win card can manage to survive in oly.
Since tyrr is one of the strongest classes in oly i dont understand your QQ at all, every skill has a delay, u should know that alrdy and when your oponent clicked earlier u still get the debuff even when u see the animation later. Thats why many people use disparition or unbind or flash or whatever before they use "key skills".
But i understand your frustration, paid 50k Dollars or more for this and other toons, never became hero, never played any role in pvp and now with the last 2 Events NC made it pretty easy to get stuff for everyone u payed alot of $ before, i would be also frustrated.
So using giants barrier the opposing nuker still got off 10 nukes to kill me.
just like old vietnam vets, I stopped caring about alot of things, and I stopped caring/remember things day to day. I am sure I have said some stupid things. Problem with my TBI it just happens, so whatever.
yes amount of money spent usually equals crap. just dont care anymore. certain players giants barrier works against, others it doesnt...guess everyone playing game understood this except me. sorry for wasting your time.
Im not pro by any means. sometimes something informative comes out of my threads. like giants barrier always seems to work against tanks or other tyrs. Or the fact that all my oly losses the other day came from toons that canceled broke thru every skill I used. Jac1b I just played bad(was too drugged up on meds) Or that someone should say I am so stupid I should just quit and die. its all important depending on your perspective.
my take is that if something is broken, nc staff should let us know? otherwise I take it as a cheat I am playing against.
like why do I have all these adena pile in my inventory now? some1 trying to **** my account by giving me adena?
Actually given Vood has spent crazy amounts of cash on this game, it's actually been useful knowledge at his expense.
By spinning the wheel of crappy rewards we learned the odds of getting anything valuable was close to zero. We have also learned that even if you spent copious amounts of cash on toons in order to win PVP that is also not going to work. You can't compete with a bot and calling him a bad player is what a bot would do, they pat themselves on the back for beating you by cheating and then insult you for sucking when you played legit.
Vood I don't always agree with what you do,but it has by far been educational to say the least. I've seen you omgragequit before,but can't blame you for calling NCSoft out.
You dont need bot to be faster than ur oponent. It's simple luck and skill spamming.
This cant be applied when we talk about skills that can't be spammed at all, be it because they have a long cd reuse or a long casting, whatever.
There's clearly 2 distinct cases here:
1. You and the opponent start using skills (offensive/defensive) at same time, and often you'll see the defensive skill effect and a damage/debuff/mesme effect right after.
I.ex: Fighting against a feoh in oly, I just hitted Bpurge when he was about 70% casting aerial yoke, so I got the debuff even with Bpurge up. In sequence, I hitted disparition to release the debuff, but at the very time I got a mcritical that overflow through my remaining HP - and the dmg took effect 'cause he hitted the skill before I did on disparition.
2. You use some erase target type skill, like disparition, or celestial, and your enemy still manage to continually hit you ignoring totally the effect of the UD.
I.ex.: Other day I was watching some oly matchs, and a feoh vs a othell (both 99), after the first hit, the othell used disparition and after 1sec (the feoh clearly lost his target, 'cause he stopped attacking for that whole 1sec), the feoh continued hitting him, and the othell lost the match even with disparition effect still up (although the feoh took 3 more hits to finish him after the usage of disparition).
So, scenario #1 is totally acceptable, since it can, typically, be a product of online games, like bad connection/delay/high ping/fps issue; while scenario #2 is hard to be believable as a normal, predictable event. And clearly OP is talking about #2, regarding to damage/debuff even when you have any proctective skill/celestial/ud still running on - and it's smell cheating, you know.
But for that one, I think the sockectta's gif would be enough to light it up:
There are certainly issues with many skills. Talk to anyone that does Oly regularly and you will notice a trend for many.
They use UD's, unbind/dasp, flash, etc. And they don't work reliably. Not just the 1 time skill making it before it applies, but completely... utterly...and entirely non functional.
If I use dasp and someone is not only able to get one hit/debuff off on me... but also able to keep me on target and continually hit and debuff me. Then that's broken.
Same with other skills like CS/gravity barrier/shirt celest. Everyone knows the topaz is broken and works through them. But sometimes skills/damage works through them like they were never up in the first place, and not just one... but several.
That's obviously not working as intended, much like being able to see a character in hide sometimes. Even if you can't hit them you can follow them around and try and aoe them.
i have some good fun pvp some players. sweetthai a pest always seems legit, jac1b in oly doesnt seem like he cheats, along with many others. even darkdragon 1 on 1 isnt impossible to beat. but when you run into a player that just interupts/cancels hits u thru ud etc...somethin just aint right. and Im not calling anyone a cheat. Im just saying if a certain skill doesnt work in certain situations it should be common knowledge and addressed by gm's!
everything i try to post is aimed at gm's earning their paycheck and doing there job.
make a fair playing field and enforce their rules.
players toons and names I dont care about, not my job to police them/us. Plus I am retired, not a private **** tracey.
i have some good fun pvp some players. sweetthai a pest always seems legit, jac1b in oly doesnt seem like he cheats, along with many others. even darkdragon 1 on 1 isnt impossible to beat. but when you run into a player that just interupts/cancels hits u thru ud etc...somethin just aint right. and Im not calling anyone a cheat. Im just saying if a certain skill doesnt work in certain situations it should be common knowledge and addressed by gm's!
everything i try to post is aimed at gm's earning their paycheck and doing there job.
make a fair playing field and enforce their rules.
players toons and names I dont care about, not my job to police them/us. Plus I am retired, not a private **** tracey.
Well technically Juji and Valinator aren't GM's,but I suppose they could pass the word on if they felt it was an issue enough to do so. I bet there is things that if we knew the truth about would really light a fire under our *****.
I agree with you about enforcing the rules,but we all know that went out the door years ago.
@Asynja: I'm aware of that and yes, I do oly regularly. Well, everybody after 99 is obligated to, to summ it up. Yet I cant see a player in hide, I do lose my target and can't hit if the enemy uses disparition and all my skills attacks r blocked if that said enemy uses some kind of celestial/ud.
But guess what, I'm just in action-to-reaction mode.
I'm not saying that all skills r working flawless, but the wonderings here should be about how much % of those players r being affected and taking advantage over this flaw (i.e, this only occur once in a year with any random, or it can be an usual modus operandi, as it seems, if you r fighting against X player), and who in fact r those exact players (to name the cows, properly saying).
From all enemies in every level that I fight against in Oly, strangely and funny enough the ones that I experience/see with a strange behaviour r the same tagged as the top cheaters ingame afterall. Coincidence? Well, who knows...
About the glitches, I often experience being able to maintain target even when Iss'es use polymorph, but I cant hit with single target skill and I'd lose target if I targeted something else (myself, i.e), or the glitches that occurs in CoC, when you suddenly see some archer running by your side with camouflage up - but at least in CoC there the 'hide cancellation' effect after the 1st minute of fight.
From all enemies in every level that I fight against in Oly, strangely and funny enough the ones that I experience/see with a strange behaviour r the same tagged as the top cheaters ingame afterall. Coincidence? Well, who knows...
I don't disagree with that. But they are able to reliably exploit broken mechanics. Which is the case with many things in the game. It's old and sloppy code that's been updated and modified for quite some time.
Normal players can get lucky with certain things sometimes. But they don't have the mechanical timing needed to really take advantage of it.
Top clan players tend to be better than your average, hence why they are in the top clan. But even with that, only a scant few are THAT good to be able to exploit advantages that require millisecond response times with any sort of reliability, and that isn't even close to being able to do it 90% or more of the time.
again vood, i just need a regular r99 set and weapon, no enchants no sa, no element i dont even need r99 jewels, then i comeback to ncwest, and u ll have a very loyal ally.
You Use Giants Barrier
Giants Barrier's effect can be felt.
xx has dealt 90,027 damage to Voo
I haven't seen it personally, but from what I understand it's more:
You use Giants barrier
Voo has received 10,000 damage from xx
Voo has received 10,000 damage from xx
Voo has received 10,000 damage from xx
Etc with whatever the actual damage was for however many times it took to kill him and giants barrier is still clearly ticking down, not removed.
I am not the best, but I do know I got killed 90k damage while GB was counting down.
Giants barriers effects can be felt
Moving to town.
You've already lost the match before your skill went off, he hit you for 90k before you realized and you died w/o it. This screenshot shows that, it doesn't show any damage like the others above me said
Unless you're not playing with damage logs which, wouldn't make much sense
I haven't seen it personally, but from what I understand it's more:
You use Giants barrier
Voo has received 10,000 damage from xx
Voo has received 10,000 damage from xx
Voo has received 10,000 damage from xx
Etc with whatever the actual damage was for however many times it took to kill him and giants barrier is still clearly ticking down, not removed.
Right, this would in fact be a glitch or a bug. His screenshot shows none of that.
my screenie shows gb in buff bar at 1 sec left :?(
Right, I'm not disputing that. Where is the damage you took that killed you? It either happened A.) Before giants barrier, you popped it as the match ended or B.) You don't play with damage text on.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but I've never seen someone nuke through Giants barrier, let alone 10 times.
yeah, the important one is that
Giants Barrier's effect can be felt.
because anything after that should be blocked.
You see, the single-hit damage received in spite of an invincibility skill could be attributed to network delays/whatever.
However, when you clearly see the "...barrier's effect can be felt" message yet you keep taking damage from multiple hits there's definitely something wrong with it.
It doesn't matter what it "seems" like, a bot that has leveld to 99 by botting is still a bot, even if it is not botting right at the moment (technically).
well i dont know.. he killed me in less than 20 secs it felt like...and I got off gb as soon as it was eligible. dont matter in big scheme of things...but I know it doesnt happen often and i dont die that quick to anyone in oly! its fun game to figure out, but even top nova toon couldnt kill me as fast as iblast did, gz iblast.
I am not the best, but I do know I got killed 90k damage while GB was counting down.
You popped it after you died or you popped it before, but the system registered it right after the dmg ended the match. You'll notice that you still have the buff, whereas all buffs that the server sees as on you during a match are removed as soon as the match ends.
Like I said before, you can pop a buff like dispiration, angel's touch, etc and still get hit/debuffed/etc for the first second or two that it's ticking on your bar. It's been like that for a long time now.
You popped it after you died or you popped it before, but the system registered it right after the dmg ended the match. You'll notice that you still have the buff, whereas all buffs that the server sees as on you during a match are removed as soon as the match ends.
Like I said before, you can pop a buff like dispiration, angel's touch, etc and still get hit/debuffed/etc for the first second or two that it's ticking on your bar. It's been like that for a long time now.
Good catch, the fact that the buff is still present on his bar after the match is over shows that you cast it after you died.
You see, the single-hit damage received in spite of an invincibility skill could be attributed to network delays/whatever.
However, when you clearly see the "...barrier's effect can be felt" message yet you keep taking damage from multiple hits there's definitely something wrong with it.
(yes I got stabbed through the barrier a few seconds after its activation, and the barrier's effect got canceled only with the end of the fight)
Any comments?
Yes, that indicates significant lag between the main game thread and the database update of character state. That rarely happens anymore, especially since most of the optimizations the devs made a few months ago.
I think "Rarely" is a bit of a stretch. It happens very, very often.
In pve situations, not so much. Unless I'm in aoe with lots beating on me at one time, it's almost unheard of to pop dasp or gravity barrier on my evic and have the effect cancelled or ignored.
But in oly/coc it's pretty much a constant thing. Gravity barrier is now an "instant" cast, but if I use it, it's pretty much only to keep myself from dying... maybe... so that I can not get interrupted using another skill... also maybe.
In some matches the skills working as intended seems like it's a miniscule chance of success. Every time it's interrupted or bypassed for at least one debuff/skill. Others it's closer to a 50/50 shot, and some, well, it seems like there's no issue at all.
But it's certainly not a rare occurrence. Rare to me would be seeing it once or twice in a month.
I think "Rarely" is a bit of a stretch. It happens very, very often.
In pve situations, not so much. Unless I'm in aoe with lots beating on me at one time, it's almost unheard of to pop dasp or gravity barrier on my evic and have the effect cancelled or ignored.
But in oly/coc it's pretty much a constant thing. Gravity barrier is now an "instant" cast, but if I use it, it's pretty much only to keep myself from dying... maybe... so that I can not get interrupted using another skill... also maybe.
In some matches the skills working as intended seems like it's a miniscule chance of success. Every time it's interrupted or bypassed for at least one debuff/skill. Others it's closer to a 50/50 shot, and some, well, it seems like there's no issue at all.
But it's certainly not a rare occurrence. Rare to me would be seeing it once or twice in a month.
About the only time it ever happens to me is in a massive siege with 100+ people around me. Otherwise it is pretty spot on.
About the only time it ever happens to me is in a massive siege with 100+ people around me. Otherwise it is pretty spot on.
You are lucky then :P
For myself, completely not the case. On my tank it's no different except it's usually with the knight cubic buff. I can't count how many times some people are able to apply certain debuffs at just the right time to apply yet not get erased by the cubic. (death breath, lift, stun, para).
In both cases you have a situation where the opposing player has a window in the span of milliseconds. They cast the debuff too soon and it's there and erased by the skill/proc. They cast it too late and the target is immune.
In sieges that sort of thing is to be expected when you can have several people all focused on you at once + whatever other aoe's happen to be going off in range of you.
In smaller scale or 1v1 fights, that's an entirely different situation.
In your case it also helps that you're stacked enough to not generally have those skills be the difference between you dying in the next hit or not. Others are not so lucky with such situations and the failure of the skill to work as intended is the difference between winning the match and getting one shot by a dagger for instance.
I do agree they need to adjust knowing that they can't rely on it like that. Those skills need to be used earlier, or in situations where they cannot be hit (out of line of sight for instance).
i appreciate the expert analysis. whatever happened to cause gb to pop after I already died needs to be fixed then. my 16ms ping and 60+mb connection download 15mb upload speeds should allow any player to lag me out so bad as to cause a skill not going into effect until after I am dead lol. he hit me probably 8 times for 10-15k damage.
Irrelevant! Polymorph can still be damaged by AoE's and special skills like "Phoenix Arrow" and "Shadow Snare". And even then, they still damage you if you happen to be in an AoE blast. Common practice, if the target is in Polymorph, AoE the person next to him. Pluses to your PDef because of skills like "UD" and "Polymorph" is not the same as "Invulnerable" to incoming damage and debuffs. Ask any healer how annoying it is to heal through his teammate's "Undying Will". Just because they can't target you, doesn't mean they can't use skills that doesn't require a target.
and tell me how he can hit me when i`m not flagged in non siege field/olympiad place, when he can't target me.
there are even people with better PC that can give themselve angel touch and polymorf again without to be able to target them, not once but for 30+ min
and tell me how he can hit me when i`m not flagged in non siege field/olympiad place, when he can't target me.
there are even people with better PC that can give themselve angel touch and polymorf again without to be able to target them, not once but for 30+ min
ty for proving us why you chose that nickname
edit - forgot about arena zones
Well ps in not in moment when you get damage.You are out of polymorf so min 17 sec past from damage if you not delete poly with alt+click. I not say the you lie but this ps not give us (or i not see prove) the you not was flag in that moment when get damage from non target aoe.
Other think, im not sure in this, maybe he hit all random, try to pk or you are dark clan. I'm not sure but maybe some1 know what will happen if you use forceattack in some skill for who not need target.
If you use skill with force attack, like eruption, you will hit all flagged characters that are not from your clan or party
If you use skill with force attack, like chaos symphony, that requires a target, you will hit the target and nearby FLAGGED characters that are not from your clan or party
you don't see the removed effect from the polymorph, probably of skill crit (aka lute melody) that stays at the end of the buff row. In such situations i can't spam print screen key to prove anything that the hungry nonhumans in the forum want, nobody can or will do this.
if i was flagged, i`d rather post screen that i'm dead, instead such nonhuman speed for target and cast a skill, even interrupt :)
really guys, learn some game mechanics or atleast think before post (not speaking about shakazulu)
and tell me how he can hit me when i`m not flagged in non siege field/olympiad place, when he can't target me.
there are even people with better PC that can give themselve angel touch and polymorf again without to be able to target them, not once but for 30+ min
ty for proving us why you chose that nickname
edit - forgot about arena zones
If you use skill with force attack, like eruption, you will hit all flagged characters that are not from your clan or party
If you use skill with force attack, like chaos symphony, that requires a target, you will hit the target and nearby FLAGGED characters that are not from your clan or party
you don't see the removed effect from the polymorph, probably of skill crit (aka lute melody) that stays at the end of the buff row. In such situations i can't spam print screen key to prove anything that the hungry nonhumans in the forum want, nobody can or will do this.
if i was flagged, i`d rather post screen that i'm dead, instead such nonhuman speed for target and cast a skill, even interrupt :)
really guys, learn some game mechanics or atleast think before post (not speaking about shakazulu)
1. It's one thing to self deprecate oneself, it shows that you can be trusted, approached, and human. It's another thing to post angry diatribe about a video game and post senseless insults on a video game forum. It show a lack of manners, education, and makes you look like a mouth breathing kid with those toy Incredible Hulk fist punching a tree.
2. Fraps or it didn't happen.
3. You win the internet for your thought provoking analysis and mathematical solution to the flawed game mechanics and physics of Lineage 2 vs. human responsive reflex, and responsive reflex of electronic devices and their ISP. I shall submit your name for a Nobel Prize and petition John Travolta to award it as he would be the only one who has a better chance in pronouncing your name.
Addendum: if you want to insult someone on a public and forgettable non-factoring gaming website, please learn some insult mechanics or at least think before you post.
sometimes it's the hard road we take, to learn the lesson.
While that is true to some extent, that doesn't apply here for the simple fact he *invested* that $4000 in to the product and had no return on that investment regardless wether it be from xp gains to gear gains.
If you invest such large sums of money like this to support the product, you don't do it under the pretence you *might* be rewarded, you **** well *expect* it.
What does "nobody will cry for you" even relevant to this discussion? In fact, what does that even mean? Wait, you wish me dead? Nobody will cry for me when I am dead? That is not even a cool thing to say to a stranger. Are you a sociopath? I only ask because the only time I know that a person would cry for another person is at a funeral.
Ok, seriously, I know "nobody will cry for you" is the go to insult and I have seen plenty of that in Lineage 2 chat. But, do you really feel a sense of satisfaction or victory for saying such an overused phrase? It's a phrase that has the same wet noodle punch as "Whatever, whatever, I can do what I want!" or "You are not the father!".