Let me begin with something that I think its important to say about me.
I rarely write in game forums, because 99% of the time is pointless, where from the fact that staff doesnt read or maybe because only "forum trolls" respond, but I decide to try it here. I dont expect here to be different, but the time will show.
Probably it has been writen and discussed many times before, but I couldnt find the topic I was looking for, so I made this one. So now on the matter:
What happened with Lineage 2 and the whole concept of the game? Really, what happened?
#1.Before the game has its purpose and general idea which it follows. Now with all these updates after Hi5, it just kind of lose itself. I mean, where are the Devs going to take the game? What are their aims and goals?
From Leveling up, Farming/spoil and Crafting, aside from PvP, Sieges/Olympiad and etc., the game has become "mindless" Leveling up to 85lvl(total waste of time) just to see that the game is not what you think it is. To discover the new classes. Which are total Erase and Rewind the old ones. So from more complicated/different and unique classes in game, it become more, actually less different classes. With this tendency will the game become after few more updates Warrior/Mage classes game? Maybe some kind plain shooter? How about some FPS? Total lack of direction.
#2.Dailies/Instances. Lineage 2 was probably the only creative MMO out there which didnt have any of these. And from some time, well it has. Why? So people to do all the same, every day, every week... and in the end to get bored and ask them self: Why is the game so boring, why should I do this every day, whats the point in it, where is the fun?
Every other MMO has dailies, Instances(solo and party), Dungeons and etc. Why did you made Lineage 2 like every other game out there? Why are you trying to mutilate and clone a perfectly well working system? So people not to see and met each other in all the zones on the map? What will become with the open world idea? Battle arenas maybe? Forever Olympiad/Arenas? No real idea, no upward thinking, by my opinion. I will speak about this later bellow.
#3.Drop/Spoil and etc. What is the future of these 2 mechanics? From what I see, soon there will be no adena drop with these levels of decreasing. Soon mobs will drop maybe 1-5 adena, just to glitter something on the ground. Just to see that its not pointless to kill it except for the experience/SP. Well guess what? Its pointless. Few times has happent to me to chat with new players, fresh and green in L2. Anyone who can speculate what they asked me? Why there is no adena drop? Where can I get some money to buy shots and stuff I need? I couldnt really help them on that matter, because there is no place where they can go. Maybe on high level, they asked. No there is even worst, I had to respond.
Now back on the dailies. Really, you will earn adena from there? Now explain this to level 45-50 character who cant buy shots or even few SoEs? First daily on level 60 buddy. You will get handful of coins. And when your level progress, your expenses go up and up to the point where you have to wait for the next day's daily to get some money so you can do something. So basically you log in make few dailies and after 1-2 hours you log out, because there is nothing you can do. Next question from new players: How people buy and sell for millions and billions? Well I will leave this one to the staff to explain this to newbies. I presume, you will say: Its a measure against bots and etc. What measure? Most lands in Lineage 2 are full with drop from bots. Now they are full with drop from everyone, simply because its pointless to pick up 50-100 adena when you waste 500-1000 on killing 1 mob. How is that? Maybe you will put 2-3 more dailies for adena and etc. then? Oh, wait! But then the game will become dailies only. Thats bad.
So we are going back to the FIRST big question: Where are the Devs going to take the game? Will Lineage 2 become a pale shadow of all other MMOs, which people play for month or two and leave from boredom? Why do you insist to disfigure more this great game?
Because of #1, #2 and #3 people will soon start leaving only. You cant hold the new players here. There is nothing different that you can present them.
I wont even mention the other lesser problems you have in front of you in future. They are for you to discover.
Finally, I dont intend to engage in confrontation and/or argue with the people in this forum, being they staff or players. Much admiration for the patience and acceptance of all the players in here, being they old and new. Good luck in game!
Makes me happy to see this kind of topics, glad I quit some long time ago :)
Oh, don't forget bots and how ncwest don't care, even private servers have amazingly strong antibot systems.
This is good thread. Hope this not die. Like my name, im truly a fresh new player in Lineage 2, and i will say in easy way:
#3.Drop/Spoil and etc. What is the future of these 2 mechanics? From what I see, soon there will be no adena drop with these levels of decreasing. Soon mobs will drop maybe 1-5 adena, just to glitter something on the ground. Just to see that its not pointless to kill it except for the experience/SP. Well guess what? Its pointless. Few times has happent to me to chat with new players, fresh and green in L2. Anyone who can speculate what they asked me? Why there is no adena drop? Where can I get some money to buy shots and stuff I need? I couldnt really help them on that matter, because there is no place where they can go. Maybe on high level, they asked. No there is even worst, I had to respond. Now back on the dailies. Really, you will earn adena from there? Now explain this to level 45-50 character who cant buy shots or even few SoEs? First daily on level 60 buddy. You will get handful of coins. And when your level progress, your expenses go up and up to the point where you have to wait for the next day's daily to get some money so you can do something. So basically you log in make few dailies and after 1-2 hours you log out, because there is nothing you can do. Next question from new players: How people buy and sell for millions and billions? Well I will leave this one to the staff to explain this to newbies. I presume, you will say: Its a measure against bots and etc. What measure? Most lands in Lineage 2 are full with drop from bots. Now they are full with drop from everyone, simply because its pointless to pick up 50-100 adena when you waste 500-1000 on killing 1 mob.
So far, this resumes my overall L2 experience. Come here to try one of the most famous and reputated MMOrpg, but the only thing i found is a broken game experience. I dont get the logic of NC Soft, but i can tell you that i will not put my money in a game that force me to do it. So this is my logic: i will cash in a game that actually give me some cool time when i play, a smooth leveling curve if i must grind, not a **** riddle about how i can get adena just to buy spiritshots to grind. No way talking about items that cost billions of adena. Thats is so **** unreacheable for new players thats offends me as a gamer.
Im not complaining at all. Things will not change. I just wanna suport what that guy says. I think he put in right words how fresh new players feels this game. I just log, play 1 or 2 hrs, kill lv 65 npc using 1 spiritshot per mob to save the idiotically low amount of adena i get, then logout, wait few days, come back, till all my adena gone.
Im a returning player before the awakening updates, that i just returned 2 months ago, and playing from scratch.
#1 i think everyone in the game will agree that it's lacking open field xp, and that we are stuck on instances. I always have in my mind that Lineage 2, no matter how brainless, bad the xp is, the end is about pvp, that is actually worth (not gonna mention scripts or not).
I am still at 93 and i fear that I'm gonna invest time on levelling to 99, fix a toon and i will only pvp on sieges, that is pretty sad for such game.
One of my greatest memories in the game was the endless hours of pvp before every epic boss.
#2 The awakening as i see it was necessary in order to reduce support classes, since population of active users were decreasing. And 1-85 is few days max, so even that is useless, i don't think is such a big deal.
#3 For the adena, I'm not sure if i will agree with the above comments
I started from 1lvl with 0 adena, i never had issues of not having to pay my soulshots.
Only with the quests and the items i get from the quest, i reached 85 level with around 40million (that is nothing i know but still)
85-90 i was making from fortune packs, drops, giant energy from oly, kartia, zaken etc etc, quest after quest i made around 700kk in those levels. That was enough to get me a twilight set, and a apocalypse fighter SA 300.
Now from 90-95, I'm 93 at the moment, and i have almost completed my R-95, of course they are way more items to farm etc etc, but i don't understand how nowadays make adena is hard. Yes adena doesn't drop much, but they drop other things that makes all the money from your soulshouts quite easily.
L2 has always been unconventional in terms of getting gear & Adena, and takes time to figure out how to survive this game... which is part of its charm, it isn't easy. As for dailys, I couldn't agree more... I hate dailys, I hate instances... I miss the older quests like coin collector and alchemy quests (which are still in game, albeit rewards are now irelevant). Dailys you do and your done.... those quests allowed you, if you have an hour, to collect items, if you have 5 hours you can do the same thing for 5 hours. L2 has always been grind centric, and that is the best part of it, there are very few games out now days that provide a nice relaxing grind, but making everything dailys, once you finish quest you just feel like your wasting time hunting.
Maybe you heard about the Infinite Odyssey update it will take a lots of positive changes more stuffs will like back in time. Dungeons will disappear only 1 Instance will after lvl 100 what about we know everything else will open field area. So the classical style will return more.
The lowered Adena drops and drops is caused by 3 reasons:
1. The Inflation of Adena what appeared in the Freya update until the Tauti update.
2. The bot farmers.
3. The Korean players requested to maintain their hard earned equipment prices and this was one of way how the developers could solve it.
L2Store doesn't do with it too much it is simple why. If now with normal drop rate you get 10 leather in a hour with drop rate 100% u get 20.
Maybe in past you got 30 leather without drop rate rune and 60 with it, for you was the same good business to buy it.
but i can tell you that i will not put my money in a game that force me to do it.
Thats the point of all such topics opened here. Every deamn topic about future of this game, on this forum, goes to "I dont want to pay". This guys just wanna rock, own castles, huehue in hero chat and all this for free. Because of this they sit here with serious faces and search for excuses about how to huehue for free. If you have no idea how to play u invest your time in this game or you invest your money, there are no 3rd option. Amount of investments is other question. NC could drop costs in the Store as for me.
I invested 30$ this year. My main is 93 with TW Set+Apo Weapon+Seed Talisman and i already have full Seraph Set + Specter Weapon in my WH adding day to day elements and so on. And am not a pro player. Pro in this time with 30$ in pocket would be 99 full geared.
the key to success is always investment may it be time or anything else..
as for L2.. its ncoins and credit card/paypal... and time of course
piece of advice: if you wanna be a successful L2 player, first get a real life job that pays you like $10,000 a month, make a budget for L2 $2,000 a month.
Second: if your single buy an good pc, i mean the top quality, i7 black, gtx titan or buy alienware emperor/married: divorce your wife...
lastly: play hard/pay hard.......
hahahahaha..
P.S. i'm happily married yet still find time playing my loved game since 2007:D:D:D:D:D
As someone who has been here since beta launched the game in the beginning was FAR harder than it is now even. There was no NPC buffs, no mentors,adena and drops were scarce. When NC ran an event..you pulled an entire weekend or took vacation from work to maximize your event benefit. Double drops and XP events were golden. $15 a month was cheaper than using the L2 store to give yourself a XP boost.
People cheat because they don't want to spend the time getting to the end game content or just simply want to be the top player and be known to all..whatever I guess.
L2 just jumped on the wagon of other sandbox RP games and make more profits off a virtual store. Any game events are tied into the store for you to shop and make in-game profits from. Anyone with $30 or even less can make decent adena to save or build their toon up with. Killing mobs alone won't make you profits.
I agree there isn't enough open field areas to solo in,but the reasoning behind that is to encourage party play,team effort stuff. It's supposed to deter botting or farming,but this is why lower areas are flooded with bots,reduced adena,reduced mob spawn etc was implemented to discourage that activity only to punish legit players as a result.
You are pretty much forced to follow the quest chain to get where you need to be in terms levels in a quick time. The game is far different than it used to be. You don't go to random areas anymore,you go to designated spots leaving some places a dead zone to be later recycled for higher levels.
Retail Lineage 2 = pay-2-win, bots, scripted pvp, zerglings, and star wars/sci-fi like game.
Bad things about some private servers = donate-2-win, bots, scripted pvp, zerglings, High Rate (kills the experience imo), corruption, and possibility of shutdown.
Good things about some private servers = low rate(5x-15x), pre-GOD, 0-cheating-tolerance with active GMs, Anti-Corruption, Legit gameplay, more of a medieval/fantasy feel, and higher population than retail.
Ask yourself what you are looking for, then make a decision.
Let me begin with something that I think its important to say about me.
I rarely write in game forums, because 99% of the time is pointless, where from the fact that staff doesnt read or maybe because only "forum trolls" respond, but I decide to try it here. I dont expect here to be different, but the time will show.
Probably it has been writen and discussed many times before, but I couldnt find the topic I was looking for, so I made this one. So now on the matter:
What happened with Lineage 2 and the whole concept of the game? Really, what happened?
#1.Before the game has its purpose and general idea which it follows. Now with all these updates after Hi5, it just kind of lose itself. I mean, where are the Devs going to take the game? What are their aims and goals?
From Leveling up, Farming/spoil and Crafting, aside from PvP, Sieges/Olympiad and etc., the game has become "mindless" Leveling up to 85lvl(total waste of time) just to see that the game is not what you think it is. To discover the new classes. Which are total Erase and Rewind the old ones. So from more complicated/different and unique classes in game, it become more, actually less different classes. With this tendency will the game become after few more updates Warrior/Mage classes game? Maybe some kind plain shooter? How about some FPS? Total lack of direction.
#2.Dailies/Instances. Lineage 2 was probably the only creative MMO out there which didnt have any of these. And from some time, well it has. Why? So people to do all the same, every day, every week... and in the end to get bored and ask them self: Why is the game so boring, why should I do this every day, whats the point in it, where is the fun?
Every other MMO has dailies, Instances(solo and party), Dungeons and etc. Why did you made Lineage 2 like every other game out there? Why are you trying to mutilate and clone a perfectly well working system? So people not to see and met each other in all the zones on the map? What will become with the open world idea? Battle arenas maybe? Forever Olympiad/Arenas? No real idea, no upward thinking, by my opinion. I will speak about this later bellow.
#3.Drop/Spoil and etc. What is the future of these 2 mechanics? From what I see, soon there will be no adena drop with these levels of decreasing. Soon mobs will drop maybe 1-5 adena, just to glitter something on the ground. Just to see that its not pointless to kill it except for the experience/SP. Well guess what? Its pointless. Few times has happent to me to chat with new players, fresh and green in L2. Anyone who can speculate what they asked me? Why there is no adena drop? Where can I get some money to buy shots and stuff I need? I couldnt really help them on that matter, because there is no place where they can go. Maybe on high level, they asked. No there is even worst, I had to respond.
Now back on the dailies. Really, you will earn adena from there? Now explain this to level 45-50 character who cant buy shots or even few SoEs? First daily on level 60 buddy. You will get handful of coins. And when your level progress, your expenses go up and up to the point where you have to wait for the next day's daily to get some money so you can do something. So basically you log in make few dailies and after 1-2 hours you log out, because there is nothing you can do. Next question from new players: How people buy and sell for millions and billions? Well I will leave this one to the staff to explain this to newbies. I presume, you will say: Its a measure against bots and etc. What measure? Most lands in Lineage 2 are full with drop from bots. Now they are full with drop from everyone, simply because its pointless to pick up 50-100 adena when you waste 500-1000 on killing 1 mob. How is that? Maybe you will put 2-3 more dailies for adena and etc. then? Oh, wait! But then the game will become dailies only. Thats bad.
So we are going back to the FIRST big question: Where are the Devs going to take the game? Will Lineage 2 become a pale shadow of all other MMOs, which people play for month or two and leave from boredom? Why do you insist to disfigure more this great game?
Because of #1, #2 and #3 people will soon start leaving only. You cant hold the new players here. There is nothing different that you can present them.
I wont even mention the other lesser problems you have in front of you in future. They are for you to discover.
Finally, I dont intend to engage in confrontation and/or argue with the people in this forum, being they staff or players. Much admiration for the patience and acceptance of all the players in here, being they old and new. Good luck in game!
The game is fine. Come join my clan and I on the Chronos server. Message me in game char name is WizardOfTheNorth
hi i'm retired player, and i payed money to buy landmark cause it's a new concept, it is not perfect but it is something and cheap. I never pay to play mmorpg couse they always die, and honesty if there is few players playing, it will be boring, bye
Another pointless '' Ah good old days '' my a...
Press F2(Stun shot),Press F1 (/attack),click somewhere - repeat,there ya go pro archer.So unique,so complicated.Good old days where you could watch tv to overcome boredom during pvp.There were so many unique,complicated classes each having 2 skills to use forever.A huge map,a load of monsters to kill and .. a more load of monsters to kill.
Another pointless '' Ah good old days '' my a...
Press F2(Stun shot),Press F1 (/attack),click somewhere - repeat,there ya go pro archer.So unique,so complicated.Good old days where you could watch tv to overcome boredom during pvp.There were so many unique,complicated classes each having 2 skills to use forever.A huge map,a load of monsters to kill and .. a more load of monsters to kill.
Now they took everything away,right ?
You could always read different posts, or a different site altogether, since you're so fed up with this one. Hellokittyonline looks cool.
As someone who has been here since beta launched the game in the beginning was FAR harder than it is now even. There was no NPC buffs, no mentors,adena and drops were scarce. When NC ran an event..you pulled an entire weekend or took vacation from work to maximize your event benefit. Double drops and XP events were golden. $15 a month was cheaper than using the L2 store to give yourself a XP boost.
This was definitely one of the first things I noticed when I returned from my way-too-long unplanned hiatus - L2 is so much easier than it was before! I haven't been able to properly play in at least 7 years, and back then it would takes ages to get to level 30 and up. I have only just been back at it for the past week or so and I already have a few characters into the 30 range as well as 2 in the 40s. :eek: I kind of miss the difficulty of it, but oh well.. I am happy to be playing again.
Another pointless '' Ah good old days '' my a...
Press F2(Stun shot),Press F1 (/attack),click somewhere - repeat,there ya go pro archer.So unique,so complicated.Good old days where you could watch tv to overcome boredom during pvp.There were so many unique,complicated classes each having 2 skills to use forever.A huge map,a load of monsters to kill and .. a more load of monsters to kill.
Let me begin with something that I think its important to say about me.
I rarely write in game forums, because 99% of the time is pointless, where from the fact that staff doesnt read or maybe because only "forum trolls" respond, but I decide to try it here. I dont expect here to be different, but the time will show.
Probably it has been writen and discussed many times before, but I couldnt find the topic I was looking for, so I made this one. So now on the matter:
What happened with Lineage 2 and the whole concept of the game? Really, what happened?
#1.Before the game has its purpose and general idea which it follows. Now with all these updates after Hi5, it just kind of lose itself. I mean, where are the Devs going to take the game? What are their aims and goals?
From Leveling up, Farming/spoil and Crafting, aside from PvP, Sieges/Olympiad and etc., the game has become "mindless" Leveling up to 85lvl(total waste of time) just to see that the game is not what you think it is. To discover the new classes. Which are total Erase and Rewind the old ones. So from more complicated/different and unique classes in game, it become more, actually less different classes. With this tendency will the game become after few more updates Warrior/Mage classes game? Maybe some kind plain shooter? How about some FPS? Total lack of direction.
#2.Dailies/Instances. Lineage 2 was probably the only creative MMO out there which didnt have any of these. And from some time, well it has. Why? So people to do all the same, every day, every week... and in the end to get bored and ask them self: Why is the game so boring, why should I do this every day, whats the point in it, where is the fun?
Every other MMO has dailies, Instances(solo and party), Dungeons and etc. Why did you made Lineage 2 like every other game out there? Why are you trying to mutilate and clone a perfectly well working system? So people not to see and met each other in all the zones on the map? What will become with the open world idea? Battle arenas maybe? Forever Olympiad/Arenas? No real idea, no upward thinking, by my opinion. I will speak about this later bellow.
#3.Drop/Spoil and etc. What is the future of these 2 mechanics? From what I see, soon there will be no adena drop with these levels of decreasing. Soon mobs will drop maybe 1-5 adena, just to glitter something on the ground. Just to see that its not pointless to kill it except for the experience/SP. Well guess what? Its pointless. Few times has happent to me to chat with new players, fresh and green in L2. Anyone who can speculate what they asked me? Why there is no adena drop? Where can I get some money to buy shots and stuff I need? I couldnt really help them on that matter, because there is no place where they can go. Maybe on high level, they asked. No there is even worst, I had to respond.
Now back on the dailies. Really, you will earn adena from there? Now explain this to level 45-50 character who cant buy shots or even few SoEs? First daily on level 60 buddy. You will get handful of coins. And when your level progress, your expenses go up and up to the point where you have to wait for the next day's daily to get some money so you can do something. So basically you log in make few dailies and after 1-2 hours you log out, because there is nothing you can do. Next question from new players: How people buy and sell for millions and billions? Well I will leave this one to the staff to explain this to newbies. I presume, you will say: Its a measure against bots and etc. What measure? Most lands in Lineage 2 are full with drop from bots. Now they are full with drop from everyone, simply because its pointless to pick up 50-100 adena when you waste 500-1000 on killing 1 mob. How is that? Maybe you will put 2-3 more dailies for adena and etc. then? Oh, wait! But then the game will become dailies only. Thats bad.
So we are going back to the FIRST big question: Where are the Devs going to take the game? Will Lineage 2 become a pale shadow of all other MMOs, which people play for month or two and leave from boredom? Why do you insist to disfigure more this great game?
Because of #1, #2 and #3 people will soon start leaving only. You cant hold the new players here. There is nothing different that you can present them.
I wont even mention the other lesser problems you have in front of you in future. They are for you to discover.
Finally, I dont intend to engage in confrontation and/or argue with the people in this forum, being they staff or players. Much admiration for the patience and acceptance of all the players in here, being they old and new. Good luck in game!
Dude nothing happened to the game it has evolved. The game is 10+ and if you quit back I the day then come back years later expecting the same game you quit long ago then go to private servers. For the people who have been here since open beta it's still our game and we do just fine. People complaining about bots are the same type that used to cry about walker users and live China fatmers i catacombs. No one cares about c1 c5 and blahs blahhh high5 those are long gone just like when you were a little kid running around the playground with no worries at all. We all move on and grow so stop with the bs questioning what happened to the old game I quit because I could not grind stuff.