Because of item drop rate, it's going to die or close service.
People already know what hitting lv. 105 is not easy.
However, the problem is ppl's gear.
Mobs never drop weapon or armor so that they do some raid, but the raid drops garbage.
Thus, most of ppl have seraph gear and some ppl have 99 item, not bloody or dark.
NC is still on the research to sell store item by selling nCoin.
without 99 bloody gears, xp is very difficult.
ppl know what many users are going to leave this game and selling their items, but nobody can't take the items because mobs drop only 200~300 adena lol.
However, the problem is ppl's gear.
Mobs never drop weapon or armor so that they do some raid, but the raid drops garbage.
Thus, most of ppl have seraph gear and some ppl have 99 item, not bloody or dark.
without 99 bloody gears, xp is very difficult.
Yes it's difficult but it's doable with just regular gear, without crazy enchants on it.
If you need R99 gear you can obtain it from the Olympiad manager.
Of course you have to farm fame and marks, both in Oly and CoC, for many months. And it's how it is supposed to be in this game.
What makes you think you're always entitled to free gear? Do you think it should be provided instantly, with a wave of a wand? Nope you have to farm it for a long period of time, this way or that.
Oh wait, someone told you it's possible to get to lvl 99 within 3 days, and you did so?
Good for you then, and good luck gearing yourself up.
Today, someone, GM or Hacker, gave us 1 hour buff.
GM or Hacker might think that "hey guys you got wonderful buff gogo xp~".
However, ppl didn't leave Fantasy Island and they were just standing and went to window shopping to Giran.
Few ppl went to kill Baylor. After entrance, buff was gone and finished event.
Most ppl didn't go to xp and just typing "give me VP", "need full VP".
Actually, there were not XP party matching.
When they xp, got 1% per hour making 200,000 adena with couple of useless fragment.
Some people don't know what Istina jewels appearance because they never seen the item.
The GM buffs were nice, I went and did Dim Warp. I got to 1 mob away from level 8 solo on my Wynn. Made about 6% at 99 in that hour.
Yes it's difficult but it's doable with just regular gear, without crazy enchants on it.
If you need R99 gear you can obtain it from the Olympiad manager.
Of course you have to farm fame and marks, both in Oly and CoC, for many months. And it's how it is supposed to be in this game.
The fame requirements for those Oly things are just LOL. I've had fame saved over 6+ years when it was introduced playing on and off. In the past 8 months I've never missed a siege and done 40-90 oly matches a month.... I can just about afford an R99 helmet. Oly manager also requires a decent chunk of adena for the R99 stuff too.
Back on original topic, yeah, there is very little to play for if you don't already have adena and gear. Mobs do now cover SS/SPS cost, but they drop next to nothing. There's no farm quests, there's no farmable items. There's very little trade market since the skill enchant and augment renewal took a lot of adena out of a system which was already heavily drained. Prices are dropping like crazy.
You are wrong the whole reason nothing drops is because of the Friking Bots!!!! Bots and cheaters that use bots ruined the game for others where one time could get enough for crafting or even get full drops. Instead of blaming ncsoft west rate put the blame on who cause this. All bots both pve and pvp should be Ban hammered out of the game once and for all. IM lvl100/99 and never had to bot. If ncsoft does nothing still about the botters in the year to come indeed the game will be dead, but again blame the bot and progam user for being the root cause. Enough is enough!!!!! Play the game!!!
You are wrong the whole reason nothing drops is because of the Friking Bots!!!! Bots and cheaters that use bots ruined the game for others where one time could get enough for crafting or even get full drops. Instead of blaming ncsoft west rate put the blame on who cause this. All bots both pve and pvp should be Ban hammered out of the game once and for all. IM lvl100/99 and never had to bot. If ncsoft does nothing still about the botters in the year to come indeed the game will be dead, but again blame the bot and progam user for being the root cause. Enough is enough!!!!! Play the game!!!
Lol, can't blame bots for everything.
Personally I'd say bots are more an effect rather than a cause. Give players an impossible goal and don't control cheaters then players will all begin cheating to try and achieve those goals.
Don't stop PvP bots, then all players begin botting in PvP to keep up.
Make grind hard and don't stop bots, then players begin botting (been this way since forever).
Don't control farmer bots and nerf already low drop rates then players start making trains to earn a living.
The only time I ever saw when botting become less common and more people played live was GoD launch, when people could farm items, xp at a decent rate and gear themselves through hunting.
You think the drop rate is not cause by bot farming trillions of adena? What game are you playing of course it is.
The drop rate is caused by last ditch attempts of the devs trying to fix the economy from years of abuse. Armour and weapons have been unaffordable to standard players since I started the game 10 years ago.
I did a get a full drop in EV the other day so its not that bad. But the reason it was lowered was not because of bots or economy it was so NCsoft can sell you items to raise the drop rate.
The drop rate is caused by last ditch attempts of the devs trying to fix the economy from years of abuse. Armour and weapons have been unaffordable to standard players since I started the game 10 years ago.
Or did a bot make all the patches? That was my point and being the bots that did the abuse so something had to be done which was totally out of hand. Now blame the cheater "root cause" not the company that had to put in a fix to help control...im just waiting for the bots or more so the bot owers to be perma ban for sake of what is left of an awesome game that I have play for years and had fun on many occasions. .nc_signature img{max-width:500px;max-height:150px;overflow: hidden;}
l2 store is one year old or so...The root of the problem that has screwed the drop rate is the bots and has so for years, now who pays the for no drops are the people who try to get items in game thru drop. The only ones I see that don't agree with that prolly has or are still using bot or their friends are. The only way to get the drop rate back to where a normal person could even have a chance of making adena would be "Ban hammer" ALL BOT!!!
What are you talking about the l2store has been in the game since GoD started back in 2012 not 1 year. The drop rate was changed only about a little over a year ago. When they changed it they started selling drop rate runes.
The fame requirements for those Oly things are just LOL. I've had fame saved over 6+ years when it was introduced playing on and off. In the past 8 months I've never missed a siege and done 40-90 oly matches a month.... I can just about afford an R99 helmet. Oly manager also requires a decent chunk of adena for the R99 stuff too.
For the record, since the start of GoD I got from the Oly manager the following items:
1 full set of Twilight armor (just before Twilight items got removed from the list of rewards);
2 R95 weapons,
2 full sets of Seraph armor,
a few more Seraph items (just before they got removed too);
2 R99 weapons,
2 full sets of Eternal armor,
and a few more R99 parts that I sold for cheap.
Note that I'm just a casual player, neither a perma-hero nor an Oly enforcer. It just took me doing CoC on main and a box, and doing the Oly on a few characters in turn (so I learned to play other classes in the meantime). I used to do 600-700 matches per month before the nerf of the Olympiad, then I went down to something around 400 matches per month but I started to win extra rewards regularly (for 5 wins in a row).
Add to that some fame from sitting afk at sieges.
And selling the quest rewards (giant energies, CoC jewels and pots) gives good amounts of adena.
Problem isn't with the game, problem is with the players.
Back in time when we got GM buffs many people did run to XP and farm, because it is a decent boost.
I saw last night too, that many people went out for farm and PvP.
But most of the new players are terrible lazy they don't want to do nothing, but get everything in 1-2 weeks.
sdfds crying here, that some players are in Seraph on level 99. You see people he cry. While to be in Seraph on level 99 is quite normal.
7 years ago many level 76+ players did wear B-grade Black Ore jewelry set on S grade. Or did hit the level 61 A-grade in C-Grade set and weapon.
Lineage 2 is a hardcore type game and it was in the past too. Its normal here to get 1 a better armor set on your level is take 1-2 months and its quite good.
If you know how to play Lineage 2 and you are a true gamer with patience, you have tons of fun with Lineage 2.
Also after all Lineage 2 as every online game request money to be able to work fine.
So I think most of those players who doesn't invest 10-20-30$ per months to his favorite game or hobby, isn't a real player.
If you go to a club or pub or a football match you spend in 2-3 hours this 10-30$, while in the Lineage 2 you can get useful stuffs from it for a whole month or permanently.
I spend to L2 in average around, that amount of money and I enjoy it a lot the gameplay what I get partly through these boosts.
For the record, since the start of GoD I got from the Oly manager the following items:
1 full set of Twilight armor (just before Twilight items got removed from the list of rewards);
2 R95 weapons,
2 full sets of Seraph armor,
a few more Seraph items (just before they got removed too);
2 R99 weapons,
2 full sets of Eternal armor,
and a few more R99 parts that I sold for cheap.
Note that I'm just a casual player, neither a perma-hero nor an Oly enforcer. It just took me doing CoC on main and a box, and doing the Oly on a few characters in turn (so I learned to play other classes in the meantime). I used to do 600-700 matches per month before the nerf of the Olympiad, then I went down to something around 400 matches per month but I started to win extra rewards regularly (for 5 wins in a row).
Add to that some fame from sitting afk at sieges.
And selling the quest rewards (giant energies, CoC jewels and pots) gives good amounts of adena.
uhm, "Casual Player' and 600-700 oly matches then down to 400 per month don't go hand in hand. That's at least 4 accounts, which has to be over 2 computers without ****, farming oly, coc and sieges pretty heavily.
That's pretty hardcore farm imo, not casual at all. I know, I've done 6+ toons per month just doing their 10 oly matches, that took quite a lot of time and effort alone (trying for same round on all). Bump that up to 700+ and you must be running whole trains through the system, or 6 toons at once doing 30 matches per week without dropping to 0 points.
uhm, "Casual Player' and 600-700 oly matches then down to 400 per month don't go hand in hand. That's at least 4 accounts, which has to be over 2 computers without ****, farming oly, coc and sieges pretty heavily.
Nah I only have 2 accounts, and I run 2 clients on 1 PC with 2GB of RAM. :p
I have 2 lvl 99s on the same account (main) and the xp-leeching Iss box on the other, along with a few 85+ alts.
You see, since the start of GoD I figured that the xp I get from 20 minutes spent in Kartia is a few times better than any xp I could get in the open field (solo, without xp-boosting items). So, while most players rushed to 99, I kept slowly leveling a few toons in turn, sending them into Kartia one after another.
Same thing, with proper timing you can finish a fight in the Oly on main then switch to the 2nd window right in time to see what's going on with your alt toon.
It takes me 1 hour to complete the 10 matches quest on main, then I load another main from the same account.
Sometimes I have to sacrifice the 10-pts worth match on main in favor of winning the crucial 1 point on an alt, but it's well worth it when in the end the alt gets to finish its 10 matches too (even 5 matches per day for a semi-afk toon is not bad either).
Some people claim that L2 is a pvp game, yet they tend to grind for hours every day, ignoring the pvp-related quests. While I prefer to spend an hour in Kartia and 4 hours in Oly or CoC. :p
I want to play L2 as it always was, killing mobs, either one by one, or gathering huge groups. This is not possible because mobs don't drop anything, and adena drop chance is like 50% and drop amount is a joke.
We all know, adena drop was reduced because in korea there are players with huge amounts of adena, and because of RMT. Unfortunately this is not korea and NCWest is just a puppet with no voice when it comes to decision making regarding the future of L2.
NCWest is just squeezing real money from the players before the game dies completely.
Yes it's difficult but it's doable with just regular gear, without crazy enchants on it.
If you need R99 gear you can obtain it from the Olympiad manager.
Of course you have to farm fame and marks, both in Oly and CoC, for many months. And it's how it is supposed to be in this game.
What makes you think you're always entitled to free gear? Do you think it should be provided instantly, with a wave of a wand? Nope you have to farm it for a long period of time, this way or that.
Oh wait, someone told you it's possible to get to lvl 99 within 3 days, and you did so?
Good for you then, and good luck gearing yourself up.
stop trying so hard to be a ****** bag. Not once did the OP ask for free gear, and you know what he is right. There is literally no way to get gear anymore. The mobs drop no adena so players cant earn adena to buy existing market gear. The mobs dont drop it so you can't get it that way.
Look when people play an MMO RPG they expect character development and it happens via 2 mechanics innate improvements via gaining levels, and by procuring better equipment. In Lineage 2 you can get slightly more power by gaining levels even at the slow pace, but you are screwed when it comes to the gear part.
So what happens is people get frustrated and quit because they hit a dead end and feel like they are making no progress.
Please no snarky stupid posts about how some dude made 6% in an hour because we all know he loaded up on very expensive l2shop boosts to achieve it. Or posts about gears because we know for a FACT many of you people either run bots trains or have in the past to fund your gear and your denial doesn't change that fact when you are toting around +10 or more gear that you cheated some way shape or form to get it. You know people can do the match of what it takes to get a r99 +10 item and we all know that one person couldnt possibly accrued the resources needed even if lucky to attain such an item in 7 years of hardcore play.
So we know you cheated or spent insane real money to get what you got, it is funny thing because lineage 2 is at the point that we now simply accept cheaters you just know the player cheated and shrug and say oh well.
Now I am not saying playing l2 should be free ncsoft needs to make money I get this but the game is fundamentally broken as the OP has pointed out and thus can never succeed, which is sad because at its core is really a fun game.
The ironic part is the true downfall of lineage 2 is BOTS. Why? BEcause everything in this game has been watered down or nerfed because of bots.
1) cant have adena drops why? bots farm it faster than any player every could.
2) cant have item drops why? bots farm item drops faster than any human can.
3)cant have raidboss drops why? bots farms better than any human can.
So in the end players get nothing because NCsoft is unable to control bots or refuses to. Yesterday I was in Wall of argos leveling an alt, no less than 200 bots flooding the zone making it impossible for a player to farm. Nothing done by ncsoft i mean lets get real people these bots solo or in trains are instantly obvious to anyone but never ever banned at a reasonable timeframe.
Now that said NCSOFT could have implemented some reasonable features that are not bot friendly to reward players I am not sure why they don't but it explains why NCsoft going bankrupt. IT isnt the games it is the management of the games.
I would pay for vitality if it wasnt so dam expensive for 1 stinking hour of play. I would pay for increase drop if it wasnt so dam expensive for 1 stinking hour of doubling already insanly bad drops anyways.
So instead of getting some of my money NCSOFT GETS NONE. I would pay subscription for perma vitality.....I would pay subscription for special drop rates or quests that gave me money only for people who subscribe....But i wont pay 3 dollars for 1 hour of vitality.
So net result is few people buy the really expensive stuff instead of alot of people buying fair priced stuff.
I mean gee just let me buy gear already if you not going to let me get it any other way just give me any option beyond doing the same quest 1 time per day for 690 straight days.
You are wrong the whole reason nothing drops is because of the Friking Bots!!!! Bots and cheaters that use bots ruined the game for others where one time could get enough for crafting or even get full drops. Instead of blaming ncsoft west rate put the blame on who cause this. All bots both pve and pvp should be Ban hammered out of the game once and for all. IM lvl100/99 and never had to bot. If ncsoft does nothing still about the botters in the year to come indeed the game will be dead, but again blame the bot and progam user for being the root cause. Enough is enough!!!!! Play the game!!!
Sad part is the bots are so god dam obvious and there day after day after day after day, gm just has to sweep the level 70+ zones once a day and delete them all but they don't. Seriously I WOULD VOLUNTEER AND DO IT FOR THEM FOR FREE.
is like 200 bots on chronos in wall of argos right now so blatent and obvious and they will be there until the bot owner move them to the next spot and in 1 year they might ban 1 wave but 1 days later game back to infested with bots.
Personally I'd say bots are more an effect rather than a cause. Give players an impossible goal and don't control cheaters then players will all begin cheating to try and achieve those goals.
Don't stop PvP bots, then all players begin botting in PvP to keep up.
Make grind hard and don't stop bots, then players begin botting (been this way since forever).
Don't control farmer bots and nerf already low drop rates then players start making trains to earn a living.
The only time I ever saw when botting become less common and more people played live was GoD launch, when people could farm items, xp at a decent rate and gear themselves through hunting.
Just pointing out you just blamed everything on bots. The bots cause the problems the changes were all because of bots. Why you think xp grind is so big, adena drops soo low, and item drop soo low? BEcause anything a real player does a bot gets ten times faster. So NCSOFT is stupid and instead of being creative to make rewards not friendly to bots they just reduce all rewards to slow down bots but all it does is hurt players just as much or more.
So honestly it is all the bots fault, but NCSOFT is secondary to blame for not addressing the bot problem, they hardly ever ban them, and they change the game to punish both players and bots, instead of making creative ways to kill botters. For example when you log in you need to mouse click in a keypad code that rotates the numbers...guess what no bot could do that if you cleverly roleplayed that type of system in to complete a quest and have adena and item rewards linked to those mechanics via quests or what not. MAgically players can still play and be rewarded but bots cant churn out rewards 24 hours a day automated all year round for 11 years.
HELL EVEN IF NCSOFT SELL US ADENA INSTEAD OF THE BOTS THEY BOTS GO BROKE.
this event just for u all, rented gear +6 sets, weapons etc....no excuse about gear now. check out event
yes this is great example of a smart event, you will notice it can reward real players as opposed to many events that just help bots because it is all about farming and the bots farm best.
Always laugh when you look at shops you see how who bots. 1 day into event some joker in giran selling 250000 event items that his 5 bot trains made in the prior 24 hours.....me as a solo player i got 72 event items hahahah.
Problem with this event is bandaid, 7 days from now back to the same problem.
stop trying so hard to be a ****** bag. Not once did the OP ask for free gear, and you know what he is right. There is literally no way to get gear anymore. The mobs drop no adena so players cant earn adena to buy existing market gear. The mobs dont drop it so you can't get it that way.
You are either incredibly dumb and having reading comprehension issues, or you did not even bother to read what I wrote above, and just started trolling right away.
So, go back and re-read my posts in which I describe how to obtain R99 gear legitimately by the time you reach lvl 99.
Yes when I said "gear" I meant just regular, average gear. Neither +16 dark weapons nor +10 armor sets. If you ask me how to obtain those uber items, nope I don't know. If I can't have them, why should you?
You get free R grade gear at lvl 85. It is more than enough to get to lvl 95.
If you start farming the Oly/CoC quests right from 85 you may end up having enough adena to just purchase equipment from auction house. You don't even have to actually fight, just sign up in time.
As regards low drops, ok, recently I started an alt just to test how much adena I can collect while leveling from scratch. So, I got ~2 mil by lvl 85, ~100 mil by lvl 89, and well over 400 million adena by lvl 95, which took me 6 months of playing that alt exactly 35 minutes per day.
Each 15-minutes-long run through the Swamplands yielded 505k adena from the quests and from 150k to 2+ million worth of crafting mats that I sold to AH. Important tip: pick up all the drops! Including the drops after someone else, as there are way too many lazy people around.
Group Kartia sometimes gave nice drops that sell at 10 mil each.
And then on top of that, it took a few months of doing the 10 matches Olympiad quest to have accumulated ~700k fame and Oly tokens on that particular toon, so I bought an R99 boots and sold them for 300 million or so.
That's more than 700 million in total for a brand new toon. The self-sufficient one!
Now, feel free to send me some adena because it did take me the time to write this manual. Time is money, you know.
And in case you're really new to this game, well I can tell you it's always been like this.
8 years ago, being lvl 76 (pretty close to the lvl cap) I still had a mix of C/B grade equipment, so I had to resort to making an alt to farm lvl 35 mobs in order to obtain D grade crafting mats. Those D grade armors used to sell for a few million each, thus I eventually raised enough funds to buy me A grade gear (which was still one grade below my actual level).
What makes you think the game should be easier than that by now?
Im not so sure.. if you have some $ in your wallet you can be 99 with full gear in less than 3 min, not 3 days...
This game is not fair, but neither is life ...
And I am talking about playing the game fair. By hands.
I heard there are people who play it without hands at all, doing both pve and pvp in a fully automated mode. So what?
Sometimes they come here and complain they can't get it ALL within just a few days.
And when they are told they have to actually work and use both hands and brain to obtain something, they are like "WHAT???"
You are either incredibly dumb and having reading comprehension issues, or you did not even bother to read what I wrote above, and just started trolling right away.
So, go back and re-read my posts in which I describe how to obtain R99 gear legitimately by the time you reach lvl 99.
Yes when I said "gear" I meant just regular, average gear. Neither +16 dark weapons nor +10 armor sets. If you ask me how to obtain those uber items, nope I don't know. If I can't have them, why should you?
You get free R grade gear at lvl 85. It is more than enough to get to lvl 95.
If you start farming the Oly/CoC quests right from 85 you may end up having enough adena to just purchase equipment from auction house. You don't even have to actually fight, just sign up in time.
As regards low drops, ok, recently I started an alt just to test how much adena I can collect while leveling from scratch. So, I got ~2 mil by lvl 85, ~100 mil by lvl 89, and well over 400 million adena by lvl 95, which took me 6 months of playing that alt exactly 35 minutes per day.
Each 15-minutes-long run through the Swamplands yielded 505k adena from the quests and from 150k to 2+ million worth of crafting mats that I sold to AH. Important tip: pick up all the drops! Including the drops after someone else, as there are way too many lazy people around.
Group Kartia sometimes gave nice drops that sell at 10 mil each.
And then on top of that, it took a few months of doing the 10 matches Olympiad quest to have accumulated ~700k fame and Oly tokens on that particular toon, so I bought an R99 boots and sold them for 300 million or so.
That's more than 700 million in total for a brand new toon. The self-sufficient one!
Now, feel free to send me some adena because it did take me the time to write this manual. Time is money, you know.
And in case you're really new to this game, well I can tell you it's always been like this.
8 years ago, being lvl 76 (pretty close to the lvl cap) I still had a mix of C/B grade equipment, so I had to resort to making an alt to farm lvl 35 mobs in order to obtain D grade crafting mats. Those D grade armors used to sell for a few million each, thus I eventually raised enough funds to buy me A grade gear (which was still one grade below my actual level).
What makes you think the game should be easier than that by now?
well actually its true back in the day people would be ok beeing 76 with a grade gear. Maybe not just ok but even better they could have fun with their a grade gear and compete in pvp without ending up one shoted. Right now the game is completely different a normal player with a +6 r99 set a +7 r99 weapon is getting wrecked isntantly by any stacked toon.... back in the day a toon with s grade gear would never get wrecked by another toon so hard no matter what gear the oppement would have. Thats the real problem nowadays
well actually its true back in the day people would be ok beeing 76 with a grade gear. Maybe not just ok but even better they could have fun with their a grade gear and compete in pvp without ending up one shoted. Right now the game is completely different a normal player with a +6 r99 set a +7 r99 weapon is getting wrecked isntantly by any stacked toon.... back in the day a toon with s grade gear would never get wrecked by another toon so hard no matter what gear the oppement would have. Thats the real problem nowadays
+100%
The game was at it's peak when a lvl 70 with normal +3 A grade could stand up with only a small penalty vs lvl 75s with +6 set/+7 weapons (Few bothered with +6 armor then though). I used to win Oly no problems with a DC robe set and some A grade weapons, the top mage weapons used to be ++ C Grade... Then it all started going worse with Epics, Level penalties, high level skills and element. Element was horrible when the first people started getting 300 ele weapons.
Now the gap is horrible, even between mid-top and top end. There's just so many OP items to stack.
I have gear a lot of people dream of, +7 Dark weapon, Lvl 4 Brooch Jewels, Full Epics, +8 1/2 blessed robe set (not dark), 13k m.def, 10k p.def. I still get wrecked by top players, the difference between me and a guy with +15 Dark Retri, 7 Signs, Dark Set etc is crazy.
It's not even fun, Open PvP 1 stacked toon can kill a normal gear party like they're level 40. Mass PvP 1 stacked party can rip through a normal gear clan like butter. Class Based oly is also boring, it's just a case of dominating one person or being dominated by another, no fun even fights. I've only found 1 other healer on the server I should have an even fight with, but I doubt I'll find her often in matches (I lost to her last time, but only because I didn't notice my Pearl and Istina necklas weren't equipped :P).
You are either incredibly dumb and having reading comprehension issues, or you did not even bother to read what I wrote above, and just started trolling right away.
So, go back and re-read my posts in which I describe how to obtain R99 gear legitimately by the time you reach lvl 99.
Yes when I said "gear" I meant just regular, average gear. Neither +16 dark weapons nor +10 armor sets. If you ask me how to obtain those uber items, nope I don't know. If I can't have them, why should you?
You get free R grade gear at lvl 85. It is more than enough to get to lvl 95.
If you start farming the Oly/CoC quests right from 85 you may end up having enough adena to just purchase equipment from auction house. You don't even have to actually fight, just sign up in time.
As regards low drops, ok, recently I started an alt just to test how much adena I can collect while leveling from scratch. So, I got ~2 mil by lvl 85, ~100 mil by lvl 89, and well over 400 million adena by lvl 95, which took me 6 months of playing that alt exactly 35 minutes per day.
Each 15-minutes-long run through the Swamplands yielded 505k adena from the quests and from 150k to 2+ million worth of crafting mats that I sold to AH. Important tip: pick up all the drops! Including the drops after someone else, as there are way too many lazy people around.
Group Kartia sometimes gave nice drops that sell at 10 mil each.
And then on top of that, it took a few months of doing the 10 matches Olympiad quest to have accumulated ~700k fame and Oly tokens on that particular toon, so I bought an R99 boots and sold them for 300 million or so.
That's more than 700 million in total for a brand new toon. The self-sufficient one!
Now, feel free to send me some adena because it did take me the time to write this manual. Time is money, you know.
And in case you're really new to this game, well I can tell you it's always been like this.
8 years ago, being lvl 76 (pretty close to the lvl cap) I still had a mix of C/B grade equipment, so I had to resort to making an alt to farm lvl 35 mobs in order to obtain D grade crafting mats. Those D grade armors used to sell for a few million each, thus I eventually raised enough funds to buy me A grade gear (which was still one grade below my actual level).
What makes you think the game should be easier than that by now?
you are just showing how out of touch you are with the current game.
I am player in that requiem gear you get for hitting level 85 by mentor. that swamp quest might take YOU in your decked out character 15 minutes but for me on a level 85 ISS in that same free r grade? 1 hour maybe more depending on luck. I do loot everything mostly what drops is 1-3 immortal parts they sell for 25000 each lol. the loot doenst even cover cost of my shots 105 adena per shot over 1000 shots... I lose money. the quest ya 500k. so if i do that quest 100 times so bit more than 3 months never miss a day i got 50million you think this is good money? 50 million buy me 1 peice of twightlight armour and like 1/5th a apoc weapon....
So really take your 100% lie elsewere about playing 35 minute each day to make 400 mill and level 85 to level 95. some day you goto wait over 30 minute just for kartia (which i assume is what you did swmap quest and kartia each day and that is all. Kartia 85 drop nothing sells for over 1 mill and you lucky if you are the one that gets the drop.
so again go away with your delusions and lies. I am happy to follow you in swampland ill collect every loot from your kills and we can see who is right me that you dont even cover cost of shots for requiem geared player or you that you get 150k-2mill in mats.
Let just say you are only slightl exxagerating, not many people will play a game for a full half of a year to get 300mill which at level 95 buy you 1 item let alone, full set of jewlery and armour plus weapon. you are so undergeared and it just gets worse and worse.
So much whining in this thread, despite the fact that you can always make money due to sheer stupidity of people that buy adena for real-world currency. Ever since IO arrived, I have been selling worthless items for millions of adena, and it doesn't look like I'll need to stop anytime soon. I was thinking perhaps some people found an exploit and now want to try to clean their adena by selling some junk to the exploiter char and making sure their main character is obscured by countless others rushing to convert their junk to adena, but now I think the stupidity might be the case. It appears people just don't know they can get items free and sell them for millions, without actually putting any effort in that.
If you start farming the Oly/CoC quests right from 85 you may end up having enough adena to just purchase equipment from auction house. You don't even have to actually fight, just sign up in time.
Sadly, the 85+awaken+noblesse combo (lvl 90 to be precise, former main) is not enough to be allowed into Oly or CoC, otherwise I would be farming that stuff like I did back in HF or GoD/GD. Could you perhaps convince NC to allow me back into Oly and CoC?
GM Tisephor from NA support was not convinced my char can handle these features, so it was left like that.
I am player in that requiem gear you get for hitting level 85 by mentor. that swamp quest might take YOU in your decked out character 15 minutes but for me on a level 85 ISS in that same free r grade?
Look, I can only repeat once again what I did in the past, and I still have the same gear on those characters, so I can link it to you or post screenshots of it.
1. I leveled a nuker from 85 to 95 in Moirai robes (that's low S80). As soon as I got enough adena, I invested it all in a +3 top R weapon with 300 attribute.
2. I leveled an Iss Enchanter from 85 to 95 using the free Requiem duals and Immortal heavy armor/Immortal jewels. Since I'm cheap, the only investment I made in that Iss was 3 EWR and some stones to get the duals to +3 and 150 element. Now, at lvl 99, my Iss still wears those Immortal jewels and they work fine.
3. I made a summoner alt and leveled it from 85 to 95 in Moirai light armor (low S80, again) and free Requiem weapon.
4. On main, I created a dual class (warrior) and leveled it in the same way from 85 to 95 with free Requiem/Immortal gear.
5. On the alt, I created a dual class (Iss) and leveled it from 85 to 95 with the same Moirai light armor (LOL!!!) and another pair of +3 requiem duals.
See, I've done it 5 times in the past, and just now did it for the 6th time, solo. The only difference was that this time I finally tried a fast killing class (ertheia fighter).
The formula was always the same: from 85 to 90 it was solo Kartia + Swamp quest + Nurcery instance (couple times a day) and after 90 it was just solo Kartia + Swamp quest + group Kartia (when I learned to solo it) + open field grind at the Fairies (occasionally).
Yes some of the Swamp mobs may be hard to kill at 85 but even for an 85 Iss it never took more than 25 minutes to complete (hint: you save soulshots when you AoE). And lvl 85 is a matter of a few days anyways, after that it becomes much easier.
Group Kartia 90 gives Apoca/Twilight drops and EWR/EAR that you can sell for good money. Fairies at lvl 90 drop Twilight mats too.
Of course you can try and play the market, buying and re-selling. Especially during the events.
Note that I am talking from a solo player's point of view. I assume the same things can be done much easier if you're in a good clan, working together. ;)
Also, you could create a 2nd account, make a summoner and duo with your iss everywhere you wish. Summoners are the cheapest class to maintain that's why they are recommended for new players to give them an easy start.
Hint: a summoner+iss duo, if played well, can solo group Kartia90 and keep all the drops to themselves!
Now, if we get back to the opening post of this thread, we can make an educated guess it was made by a greedy botter who is angered with the fact that his bot train won't farm as much adena as before. That's why he wants a Bloody weapon handed to him on a silver plate, immediately. See? This means he's lvl 99 already, and he scoffs at you and your n00b problems.
The legit players obtain their bloody weapons while farming and raiding together in respectable PvE clans. But this one is obviously too special for that, that's why he says "xp is too hard" and wants the endgame item now and for free.
Sadly, the 85+awaken+noblesse combo (lvl 90 to be precise, former main) is not enough to be allowed into Oly or CoC, otherwise I would be farming that stuff like I did back in HF or GoD/GD. Could you perhaps convince NC to allow me back into Oly and CoC?
Sounds odd. What's your class, exactly? Did you re-awaken it?
well actually its true back in the day people would be ok beeing 76 with a grade gear. Maybe not just ok but even better they could have fun with their a grade gear and compete in pvp without ending up one shoted. Right now the game is completely different a normal player with a +6 r99 set a +7 r99 weapon is getting wrecked isntantly by any stacked toon.... back in the day a toon with s grade gear would never get wrecked by another toon so hard no matter what gear the oppement would have. Thats the real problem nowadays
Yeah I don't know what game you are playing but getting 1-shot/quickly destroyed in L2 has been around since day 1.
Prelude/C1 = Archer
C2 = Dagger
C3 = SpS
C4 = Necro
C5 = CoV Archer
Interlude = CoV Archer/Vortex Nuker
Thrones = Nuker/Dagger/Archer with element
Gracia Final = Gladiator AoE with Element
H5 = Gladiator / Anakim AoE
etc etc
I have live through all of it over my 11 years, pvp today is the most balanced it has ever been, you just need to have lived through the past to realize it.
Now the gap is horrible, even between mid-top and top end. There's just so many OP items to stack.
2 ways to get OP items, be in a top clan capable of contesting/winning world raids or spend ncoin. In the past you didnt have the second option.
It's not even fun, Open PvP 1 stacked toon can kill a normal gear party like they're level 40. Mass PvP 1 stacked party can rip through a normal gear clan like butter. Class Based oly is also boring, it's just a case of dominating one person or being dominated by another, no fun even fights. I've only found 1 other healer on the server I should have an even fight with, but I doubt I'll find her often in matches (I lost to her last time, but only because I didn't notice my Pearl and Istina necklas weren't equipped :P).
No, it is mostly about stacked OP DD's like daggers or nukers killing while short lived defensive buffs are up vs. players who dont really know how to deal with short burst. Those classes arent killing anything while those skills arent up since they will get CC'd/killed.
What makes you think you're always entitled to free gear? Do you think it should be provided instantly, with a wave of a wand? Nope you have to farm it for a long period of time, this way or that.
It is idiots like you who lead this game to its ruination. You are entitled to better gear for the same reason you are entitled to just compensation the work you do in the real world. Currently however the game refuses to justly compensate people for the time they spend grinding and the amount of adena they have to expend while grinding. The reward shouldn't be determined by what you are doing, but by the effort you expend while doing it. So spending one hour grinding respawns at bloody swamps should be just as rewarding as doing anything else you are able to do at a level that bloody swamps is an appropriate hunting ground for your character. This also means that grinding respawns should be infinitely more rewarding than afking with a craft store up and "playing the market".
And the reason why the game has never actually become popular is because the concept of grinding your brains out to accomplish almost nothing results in gameplay that simply isn't fun enough for people to want to actually spend large amounts of time playing it.
NC needs to significantly change almost every aspect of the game, and stop ***** over poorer players. Instead of coming up with **** versions of normal gear, NC needs to just make normal items less time consuming/implausible to obtain.
Or perhaps what they need to do is go back to their routes and start making mobs drop procedurally generated gear with random stats at high rates which is easy to get with mediocre to good stats but hard to get with really good stats and which you only get by either being lucky or putting in the time to kill lots of mobs. However as part of that, the mobs need to be made funner to kill which means get rid of bosses with cheating stats which take way too long to kill. And killing respawns needs to be replaced with a method that feels more purposeful and more like an accomplishment.
Wait-wait-wait. Whoa that's news to me. I'm an idiot? How exactly? Do elaborate now!
who lead this game to its ruination.
Do you imply my name is Kim Taek-Jin?
Yes/no?
A simple answer is enough.
If yes, what is your proof?
So spending one hour grinding respawns at bloody swamps should be just as rewarding as doing anything else you are able to do at a level that bloody swamps is an appropriate hunting ground for your character. This also means that grinding respawns should be infinitely more rewarding than afking with a craft store up and "playing the market".
Funny enough, I've never been a fan of "infinite grinding" nor afking with a store up/"playing the market". I'm quite happy that GoD has finally offered the life-saving option of offline selling through the Auction house, and quick xp in instances instead of open field grinding.
And I find it even more funny that way too many people appear to be such huge fans of the mindless grind that they are now totally excited with the removal of the level cap. Clearly, some people just can't get enough of it!
And the reason why the game has never actually become popular is because the concept of grinding your brains out to accomplish almost nothing
The reason why the game has never actually become popular is because NCsoft never invested a single cent in advertizing it. As simple as that. Why did they choose that "marketing strategy", is beyond me, but nothing can change it, and we are not in the position to argue.
NC needs to significantly change almost every aspect of the game
You must be very, VERY new to this game.
Yes, so very new and naive.
(sarcasm intended)
Do you realize by now that it is absolutely fruitless to discuss the way they manage the game, and that all your suggestions and vain wishes will always fall on deaf ears?
Bad for you, if you don't
At least, I've stopped with vain wishes long ago.
I know I'll quit L2 as soon as something better is released, or as soon as I feel I can't struggle anymore without changing my playstyle radically (I'm too old to change).
the mobs need to be made funner to kill which means get rid of bosses with cheating stats which take way too long to kill. And killing respawns needs to be replaced with a method that feels more purposeful and more like an accomplishment.
It looks like you are contradicting yourself. I've tried the new mobs in lvl 100+ location; some of them take more than a minute to kill yet they can 1-shot me at any moment. Is this "funner" or not?
Tbh I prefer 1-shotting the mobs myself rather than be 1-shotted by them.
Also, my newly made lowbie ertheia fighter tends to kill the final boss in solo 95+ Kartia within 15 seconds, while my lvl 99 main can't kill the same boss within a minute. Funny, eh?