I will try to summarize the feelings I have after 12 years of playing Lineage2. I say 12 years since I started playing L2 at closed beta.
Overall stage
The game has become a scam in my eyes, a game that could be awesome if managed for the players. The only thing NCsoft is focusing on now is to give us as little as possible, over a so long time as possible, for as much money as possible, than and for as little effort as possible.
Overall status
Third party program usage gives some extraordinary advantages in PvP, leveling away from keyboards and RMT advertising pollutes the game world. No proactive actions are done to prevent this. Reactive actions such permanent bans happens, but far from as often as needed.
Game support
Support that’s needed as an effect of the above stated points, is overall non-existing.
In game experience
The in-game experience really lost all its colors to a constant gray fog. The very few new game content gets old in a few weeks because of lack of variation. Raids requires far more than what is earned.
Your personal achievements
The grind took a new meaning. Level 1 -95 goes fast and after that players really need to open the wallet to be able to achieve anything in the game. After 99, players need to open the wallet every day, but what they get for it in return is very very little. Why would I spend hundreds of $ and hundreds of hours to get another tiny upgrade of my skills, or a new skill that doesn’t make up for what I spend in the end anyway? And for what in the end? PvP? PvP is a dead content. No penalty, no rewards… no nothing.
SvS?, When the day come I need to cheat to compete in - whatever comes next - , I just quit the game.
What did brake?
A lot of areas broke up until now. Crafting, economy, PvP, events just to start with.
Crafting in general, make no sense anymore. Materials are too hard to get and is too expensive to fail in favor of instead buying the item. Economy is completely broken and adena laundry trough NCoins is a fact. PvP is way of unbalanced in all perspectives. Scripted players, overpowered items and faulty PvP mechanism is another fact.
Why do I still play the game? Im stupid, all the great people from all over the world that I met, the social part and I played this game for so long.
The journey is long, hard, repetative and expensive if you want to reach…. nothing.
I will try to summarize the feelings I have after 12 years of playing Lineage2. I say 12 years since I started playing L2 at closed beta.
Overall stage
The game has become a scam in my eyes, a game that could be awesome if managed for the players. The only thing NCsoft is focusing on now is to give us as little as possible, over a so long time as possible, for as much money as possible, than and for as little effort as possible.
Overall status
Third party program usage gives some extraordinary advantages in PvP, leveling away from keyboards and RMT advertising pollutes the game world. No proactive actions are done to prevent this. Reactive actions such permanent bans happens, but far from as often as needed.
Game support
Support that’s needed as an effect of the above stated points, is overall non-existing.
In game experience
The in-game experience really lost all its colors to a constant gray fog. The very few new game content gets old in a few weeks because of lack of variation. Raids requires far more than what is earned.
Your personal achievements
The grind took a new meaning. Level 1 -95 goes fast and after that players really need to open the wallet to be able to achieve anything in the game. After 99, players need to open the wallet every day, but what they get for it in return is very very little. Why would I spend hundreds of $ and hundreds of hours to get another tiny upgrade of my skills, or a new skill that doesn’t make up for what I spend in the end anyway? And for what in the end? PvP? PvP is a dead content. No penalty, no rewards… no nothing.
SvS?, When the day come I need to cheat to compete in - whatever comes next - , I just quit the game.
What did brake?
A lot of areas broke up until now. Crafting, economy, PvP, events just to start with.
Crafting in general, make no sense anymore. Materials are too hard to get and is too expensive to fail in favor of instead buying the item. Economy is completely broken and adena laundry trough NCoins is a fact. PvP is way of unbalanced in all perspectives. Scripted players, overpowered items and faulty PvP mechanism is another fact.
Why do I still play the game? Im stupid, all the great people from all over the world that I met, the social part and I played this game for so long.
The journey is long, hard, repetative and expensive if you want to reach…. nothing.
I totally agree with you, 100%.Not to mention that you just scratched the surface.
I'm playing L2 since around C2, not as long as you did, but 8+ years for sure.
I'm lately wondering too why I'm still playing and last 10-15 days I think I've came to the point where I think I got no more tolerance to what NCWest did to this game. Let alone all the development idiocy.
Most ppl that still play it are either complete randoms or bots.Hell most end game players can't play manually at all anymore. Everything is on auto.
Also NC seems to lack any will to deal with this and its all let to run by itself. I've walked a bit today in EV, it's full of afk xping ppl, since weeks now actually.Atelia is the same.
All that NCwest does nowadays is store promos and events, but I think that its coming to an end for me. You don't deserve my time anymore corrupted, incompetent NCWest. Good that I didn't spent my kidneys on pixels like many idiots did.
Before the store and a little bit after GoD you could acheive something everyday in L2. Even alone.
Drop, skills, xp, quests(real quests not that ****** dailys). You had many options of what to do in game.
Today you get nothing from the free ride. And close to nothing even paying. Unless you with the top end gamers that have been around for 10+ years(that have theirs farming grps all around the map to be able to stay on top).
Before, with time, I could stay hours playing cause every hour was rewarding. Now I log, barely find anything to do, and if I find i get nothing out of it.
Before: $15 for a full month of enjoyable gameplay.
Now: You need $15 a day(sometimes a hour if you xping/sping at high lvl) to get nowhere near what you would in general joy of the game.
Server is 100% of the time running events for few months and all based on store. GL trying to hunt for event items. Even than, game still sucks.
main reason for the old time players like myself to still play this game is the folks you meet along the way, the friends etc. and the dramaz are what makes me login.
besides that I do recognize the comments made here and yes they're all true, sadly enough..
end game pvp doesn't exist, the little bit that was left got completely destroyed by features as clan assist etc. by the rampant 3rd party cheating software.. unless program wars are what turns you on ^^"
12 years ingame is your choise, but not about the game, but the people you meet here
old friend got banned because he bough nccoins for more than 300 billions adena, and well known bots are still ingame, selling their adena for decent amount of euros, are still ingame, still heroes, still automatic
and then the question "why do i play that dead game" appears - i play here to see eather the closing of the server eather the changing of the policy about the bots and banning them all (most likely the first will happen before the second)
Most of the stuff in this thread is kind of w/e. La Vie En Rose boxes came out what 18 months ago? the only new game changing item they have added has been the Abundance Talisman. If you look at the history of this game and the scope of 18 months it is very similar to equipment grade changes. In one chronicle you would be having pvp between AG and SG players, knowing what was happening in Korea we all fully expected that the equipment we had would be obsolete in the next year and a bit when S80 came out.
The difference now is you get to keep your dark sets but need to get the new item when it comes out every 1-1.5 years. I am ok with that, especially considering that there is no monthly subscription and when this new gear bump happens all the money I havent spent on subscription I can use to get the new 'item' from the store. Its actually cheaper than that because you can play the market as most of the items get resold for adena in game, a perfect example of this was buying LaVie boxes from the store and reselling the unopened boxes for adena. This was amazing since you basically were able to get months/years of 'free' 30 day bossjewel packs and get piles of adena you could then use to buy the specific la vie boxes you needed to get your lv3/4 jewels. If people werent smart enough to realize this then that their own **** failt.
As for pvp, well lots of people cry about programs, but programs really do 1 thing very well. They very easily illustrate who is incompetent at their class as they do the very simple things those classes should be doing correctly. PvP is not impossible, our enemies use clan assist pretty effectively but even that can be curbed if you have a strategy on how you will fight/chain defensive skills (too often i see people with ud+cs+purge up at the same time lol). If anything clan assist has forced the top end pvp party to up their game as it reduces the 'gear' factor to nearly zero.. this i think is why many people cry so **** hard .. that people assisting can illustrate how irrelevant their $$$$ purchases are and that their gear cant shield their (or their party/clans) incompetence. In this sense I am glad our enemies use this on us, as it forces us to improve.
Top PvP in Lineage 2 does exists, and it feels a lot like an e-sport tbh ... where parties with maxed gear and whatever else equalize (gear/level) advantages and the only thing left is their ability to execute their strategy on the other.
Diego you are speaking of well geared toons, not many people are competitive to do that
i know that with our crap gear and random people in the party we was able and probably would be able to make qq-tor to pr, but that won`t change the facts that other people aren't prepared as we are.
and aslong there are automatic players there will be always cry and avoiding of the quality pvp that in other terms would happen much more often, especially in no-exp lost events
Diego you are speaking of well geared toons, not many people are competitive to do that
i know that with our crap gear and random people in the party we was able and probably would be able to make qq-tor to pr, but that won`t change the facts that other people aren't prepared as we are.
and aslong there are automatic players there will be always cry and avoiding of the quality pvp that in other terms would happen much more often, especially in no-exp lost events
While I agree there is a larger lower tier of apathetic players who do not understand the commitments this game requires to even be mediocre.. I also believe that those that are in the middle of the road mentally block themselves from improving because it is easier to not try due to "zomg programs excuse" then exert the effort required to overcome it.
Most of the stuff in this thread is kind of w/e. La Vie En Rose boxes came out what 18 months ago? the only new game changing item they have added has been the Abundance Talisman. If you look at the history of this game and the scope of 18 months it is very similar to equipment grade changes. In one chronicle you would be having pvp between AG and SG players, knowing what was happening in Korea we all fully expected that the equipment we had would be obsolete in the next year and a bit when S80 came out.
The difference now is you get to keep your dark sets but need to get the new item when it comes out every 1-1.5 years. I am ok with that, especially considering that there is no monthly subscription and when this new gear bump happens all the money I havent spent on subscription I can use to get the new 'item' from the store. Its actually cheaper than that because you can play the market as most of the items get resold for adena in game, a perfect example of this was buying LaVie boxes from the store and reselling the unopened boxes for adena. This was amazing since you basically were able to get months/years of 'free' 30 day bossjewel packs and get piles of adena you could then use to buy the specific la vie boxes you needed to get your lv3/4 jewels. If people werent smart enough to realize this then that their own **** failt.
As for pvp, well lots of people cry about programs, but programs really do 1 thing very well. They very easily illustrate who is incompetent at their class as they do the very simple things those classes should be doing correctly. PvP is not impossible, our enemies use clan assist pretty effectively but even that can be curbed if you have a strategy on how you will fight/chain defensive skills (too often i see people with ud+cs+purge up at the same time lol). If anything clan assist has forced the top end pvp party to up their game as it reduces the 'gear' factor to nearly zero.. this i think is why many people cry so **** hard .. that people assisting can illustrate how irrelevant their $$$$ purchases are and that their gear cant shield their (or their party/clans) incompetence. In this sense I am glad our enemies use this on us, as it forces us to improve.
Top PvP in Lineage 2 does exists, and it feels a lot like an e-sport tbh ... where parties with maxed gear and whatever else equalize (gear/level) advantages and the only thing left is their ability to execute their strategy on the other.
Programs on their own do very little. Yes they can perfectly time certain skill chains, prioritize targets, etc. But if you're equal level/geared it's nothing that's insurmountable.
It's really the combination of stacked end game players with insane amounts of disposable income + program use that makes PvP a mess.
Your average player may have a hot button with CP pots, maybe a macro with 2-3 pots/elixers on it.
But I've been up against players that essentially don't need a healer, at all, vs full parties of people with similar, but not as good gear. They have programs firing off all/nearly all types of HP/CP pots and elixers you can get.
CP pots, hot spring pots, etc, etc, etc.
Your average person just can't simulate that with in game macros and a nostromo, logitech keyboard, or similar. The in game macros break so easy. And having a G key/Nostromo spamming it would break as well with all the other things they are doing.
Combined with the targeting/assist and other "Features" of the program, absolutely give an advantage. It's just not able to be used fully unless it's by someone with great gear and a hell of a lot of Adena to throw out every fight.
Most of the stuff in this thread is kind of w/e. La Vie En Rose boxes came out what 18 months ago? the only new game changing item they have added has been the Abundance Talisman. If you look at the history of this game and the scope of 18 months it is very similar to equipment grade changes. In one chronicle you would be having pvp between AG and SG players, knowing what was happening in Korea we all fully expected that the equipment we had would be obsolete in the next year and a bit when S80 came out.
The difference now is you get to keep your dark sets but need to get the new item when it comes out every 1-1.5 years. I am ok with that, especially considering that there is no monthly subscription and when this new gear bump happens all the money I havent spent on subscription I can use to get the new 'item' from the store. Its actually cheaper than that because you can play the market as most of the items get resold for adena in game, a perfect example of this was buying LaVie boxes from the store and reselling the unopened boxes for adena. This was amazing since you basically were able to get months/years of 'free' 30 day bossjewel packs and get piles of adena you could then use to buy the specific la vie boxes you needed to get your lv3/4 jewels. If people werent smart enough to realize this then that their own **** failt.
As for pvp, well lots of people cry about programs, but programs really do 1 thing very well. They very easily illustrate who is incompetent at their class as they do the very simple things those classes should be doing correctly. PvP is not impossible, our enemies use clan assist pretty effectively but even that can be curbed if you have a strategy on how you will fight/chain defensive skills (too often i see people with ud+cs+purge up at the same time lol). If anything clan assist has forced the top end pvp party to up their game as it reduces the 'gear' factor to nearly zero.. this i think is why many people cry so **** hard .. that people assisting can illustrate how irrelevant their $$$$ purchases are and that their gear cant shield their (or their party/clans) incompetence. In this sense I am glad our enemies use this on us, as it forces us to improve.
Top PvP in Lineage 2 does exists, and it feels a lot like an e-sport tbh ... where parties with maxed gear and whatever else equalize (gear/level) advantages and the only thing left is their ability to execute their strategy on the other.
This is not true and it's very much a poor excuse to justify the money such players spend.
End game is dead, dragons drop nothing special anymore, let alone any other mob. L2Store is source of game breaking items such as La Vie stuff , abundance tali, SGC C1 that also is not obtainable in game, the 21-30 skills.
3rd party soft is for cowards, incapable of wiping their buns off, all of them till the last one.
Actually any player with little brains would quit the moment he realises how NC doesn't care, anything beyond that is addiction.
In my opinion, after reading all this truths, the only viable solution is close the game and make a new one with all learned staff from 12 year game.
I mean, do guys really think they are going to invest the time/money to make a real anti-bot system on a game with 12 years in their back and a population of 500 players (from all servers) ?
If I were them, I will stop development of this game now, and live it open until a new Lineage3 without any possible way of using bots appear.
PD: and for anyone thinking real anti-bot system can't exist, think there are lot of online banks working day and night with no minor issue, so it's possible.
I will try to summarize the feelings I have after 12 years of playing Lineage2. I say 12 years since I started playing L2 at closed beta.
Overall stage
The game has become a scam in my eyes, a game that could be awesome if managed for the players. The only thing NCsoft is focusing on now is to give us as little as possible, over a so long time as possible, for as much money as possible, than and for as little effort as possible.
Overall status
Third party program usage gives some extraordinary advantages in PvP, leveling away from keyboards and RMT advertising pollutes the game world. No proactive actions are done to prevent this. Reactive actions such permanent bans happens, but far from as often as needed.
Game support
Support that’s needed as an effect of the above stated points, is overall non-existing.
In game experience
The in-game experience really lost all its colors to a constant gray fog. The very few new game content gets old in a few weeks because of lack of variation. Raids requires far more than what is earned.
Your personal achievements
The grind took a new meaning. Level 1 -95 goes fast and after that players really need to open the wallet to be able to achieve anything in the game. After 99, players need to open the wallet every day, but what they get for it in return is very very little. Why would I spend hundreds of $ and hundreds of hours to get another tiny upgrade of my skills, or a new skill that doesn’t make up for what I spend in the end anyway? And for what in the end? PvP? PvP is a dead content. No penalty, no rewards… no nothing.
SvS?, When the day come I need to cheat to compete in - whatever comes next - , I just quit the game.
What did brake?
A lot of areas broke up until now. Crafting, economy, PvP, events just to start with.
Crafting in general, make no sense anymore. Materials are too hard to get and is too expensive to fail in favor of instead buying the item. Economy is completely broken and adena laundry trough NCoins is a fact. PvP is way of unbalanced in all perspectives. Scripted players, overpowered items and faulty PvP mechanism is another fact.
Why do I still play the game? Im stupid, all the great people from all over the world that I met, the social part and I played this game for so long.
The journey is long, hard, repetative and expensive if you want to reach…. nothing.
This should be a letter, from L2 community to L2 higher ups in Korea.
Since the day I started playing here I had a belief that player with hands can do better than the one with scripts. This wasn't false belief and I have proven this hundreds of times. However it is easier to do so in Olympiad or 1vs1 PvP than mass pvp for example. 3rd party software standardize majority of its users so it means that most of them are on equal "ability" level to PvP while on the other hand legit players have to build really strong constant party and get to know how everyone plays and gets along in it and how they understand each other. I had such party first 2 years of my time here and it was awesome but it all changed when it broke up and many people quit the game. When you change someone in your CP it takes time to adapt, it is not like on scripts that you can pass to new CP member and everything is fine once again. To build strong CP it takes months to do so and with game development as it is its not worth it. The Most of legit guys has random party set ups, some old members and the other ones just random guys from clan to fill the gaps. With such parties it is extremely hard to PvP enemies with better gear (or close as the same, but usually on my experience they had better gears) and also on auto assists and other scripts.
I will admit gear is not everything and I have proven this in my server as well. I have won hundreds of Olympiad matches vs guys with better gear than me. However this is all on personal level as nowadays party vs party pvp is complicated if you do not use scripts and your gear is not equal to your opponents. Getting end game gear at times like this are really close to impossible unless you have big wallet and you are willing to spend thousands of dollars. In addition please also do not forget that RMT guys have occupied all dragons other best drop raid bosses as well as Gainak etc. for pvp stones.
Most of the stuff in this thread is kind of w/e. La Vie En Rose boxes came out what 18 months ago? the only new game changing item they have added has been the Abundance Talisman. If you look at the history of this game and the scope of 18 months it is very similar to equipment grade changes. In one chronicle you would be having pvp between AG and SG players, knowing what was happening in Korea we all fully expected that the equipment we had would be obsolete in the next year and a bit when S80 came out.
The difference now is you get to keep your dark sets but need to get the new item when it comes out every 1-1.5 years. I am ok with that, especially considering that there is no monthly subscription and when this new gear bump happens all the money I havent spent on subscription I can use to get the new 'item' from the store. Its actually cheaper than that because you can play the market as most of the items get resold for adena in game, a perfect example of this was buying LaVie boxes from the store and reselling the unopened boxes for adena. This was amazing since you basically were able to get months/years of 'free' 30 day bossjewel packs and get piles of adena you could then use to buy the specific la vie boxes you needed to get your lv3/4 jewels. If people werent smart enough to realize this then that their own **** failt.
As for pvp, well lots of people cry about programs, but programs really do 1 thing very well. They very easily illustrate who is incompetent at their class as they do the very simple things those classes should be doing correctly. PvP is not impossible, our enemies use clan assist pretty effectively but even that can be curbed if you have a strategy on how you will fight/chain defensive skills (too often i see people with ud+cs+purge up at the same time lol). If anything clan assist has forced the top end pvp party to up their game as it reduces the 'gear' factor to nearly zero.. this i think is why many people cry so **** hard .. that people assisting can illustrate how irrelevant their $$$$ purchases are and that their gear cant shield their (or their party/clans) incompetence. In this sense I am glad our enemies use this on us, as it forces us to improve.
Top PvP in Lineage 2 does exists, and it feels a lot like an e-sport tbh ... where parties with maxed gear and whatever else equalize (gear/level) advantages and the only thing left is their ability to execute their strategy on the other.
This is a beautiful writing!
As a returned player of 6 months, sometimes I find myself
QQing too much.
I admire your positive thinking on how the game, L2 is.
Its actually cheaper than that because you can play the market as most of the items get resold for adena in game, a perfect example of this was buying LaVie boxes from the store and reselling the unopened boxes for adena.
Yes, adena laundry, as I said...
As for pvp, well lots of people cry about programs, but programs really do 1 thing very well. They very easily illustrate who is incompetent at their class as they do the very simple things those classes should be doing correctly.
Well, its also ranger that can spot your enemy from where ever. We made a pretty simple test in PvP. We took one of our male darf dual class healers and throwed him a heavy armor and a slasher. We went out for PvP and guess what happend? Our darf was ofc the first target instead of any of the other "more lightly healer toons" in our grp, before we even did any skills to reveal our hidden healer. Not saying here what clan.
PvP is not impossible
Didnt say impossible... Just say it should be fun.
Top PvP in Lineage 2 does exists, and it feels a lot like an e-sport tbh ...
Fun sport with no winners or no loosers? No rewards, no penalties.
And stop use the word "cry" all the time Diego. It makes you sound like a little kid :P