The drop rate / events

I have been playing this game way to long, and I have noticed that after this game was made "free to play", it has become a bit more tideous.

I am one of those that doesn't like the way events are run, if you take this recent event, with the watermellns, I have played like maybe 10 - 15 hours during the last 2 weeks, and I have gotten a total of 15 nectars (on all character, on all lvl ranges).
I would also adress the fact that there is a problem with this kind of events, players buy nectars of the l2store, and sells it for high price ingame, making a ton of cash, this makes the market very unprectiable in more then one way. (I have just noticed this beeing done), this could have been a lesser problem if the drop rate were higher. The economy on Chronos is bad, buying R99 gear is killing us !! (I am not saying that everyone should have top gear, I am just saying everyone should have a fair chance of geting it, before we pass the 100 marker)

I want old fashion events back, where we get some good stuff of the event, and the event is 100 % free, and where you can't buy your way into it. Or an event where grinding is a valid option, and NOT buying the items. and if this doesn't fit your new "profile", then why not make a mix, where you make it half 'n' half, where you have the items drop like now for 14 days, then open the l2store for items, (the NPC is there anyway).
or you have every event, withouth the posibility to buy items in l2store, just to keep the balance, which is way of atm.

and I would like to have some vitality prices, I also think that after you hit a certain lvl in this game that vitality just goes of, it takes like 5 - 10 min in the right party and the Vit is gone, that no good, or 2 rounds in K95.

I do think this should be adressed, due to the fact that the lvl cap have been raised, and if the game is to have high lvled players that enjoy the game, actions must be taken.

And I also feel there should be some changes to the healer class. As healer you can solo to 85 maybe a few more lvls after that, but when you pass 95 ! there is no way you can solo, first of all there are no good spots to solo, and second there are no good skills for healers, to do dmg. maybe this will change after you hit 99 and get the lakis disc skill (that I have not tested).

and yes, the bot problem, I must say I have seen less bots over the past year, and that is a good thing, but I have noticed the increase in "chat spammers". When I drop into a Town, lets say Giran, I get tons and tons of PM's telling me to go to "www.buyadna.com" (example). or I see players put up shops with the same info, that is really, not the way this game is to be played, and this is also forbidden by the EULA, so why do I keep seeing them in the every city in the game ? (this is on Chronos).

Well, just some thoughts...

Great post! +++++
I got maybe a half dozen nectars while grinding... period! Decided I wasn't going to throw money away for nothing but garbage. These last events have sucked... major FAIL!

Spent 10kk o nectars got 2 bsoe and finished with event :P

I have been playing this game way to long, and I have noticed that after this game was made "free to play", it has become a bit more tideous.

I am one of those that doesn't like the way events are run, if you take this recent event, with the watermellns, I have played like maybe 10 - 15 hours during the last 2 weeks, and I have gotten a total of 15 nectars (on all character, on all lvl ranges).
I would also adress the fact that there is a problem with this kind of events, players buy nectars of the l2store, and sells it for high price ingame, making a ton of cash, this makes the market very unprectiable in more then one way. (I have just noticed this beeing done), this could have been a lesser problem if the drop rate were higher. The economy on Chronos is bad, buying R99 gear is killing us !! (I am not saying that everyone should have top gear, I am just saying everyone should have a fair chance of geting it, before we pass the 100 marker)

I want old fashion events back, where we get some good stuff of the event, and the event is 100 % free, and where you can't buy your way into it. Or an event where grinding is a valid option, and NOT buying the items. and if this doesn't fit your new "profile", then why not make a mix, where you make it half 'n' half, where you have the items drop like now for 14 days, then open the l2store for items, (the NPC is there anyway).
or you have every event, withouth the posibility to buy items in l2store, just to keep the balance, which is way of atm.

and I would like to have some vitality prices, I also think that after you hit a certain lvl in this game that vitality just goes of, it takes like 5 - 10 min in the right party and the Vit is gone, that no good, or 2 rounds in K95.

I do think this should be adressed, due to the fact that the lvl cap have been raised, and if the game is to have high lvled players that enjoy the game, actions must be taken.

And I also feel there should be some changes to the healer class. As healer you can solo to 85 maybe a few more lvls after that, but when you pass 95 ! there is no way you can solo, first of all there are no good spots to solo, and second there are no good skills for healers, to do dmg. maybe this will change after you hit 99 and get the lakis disc skill (that I have not tested).

and yes, the bot problem, I must say I have seen less bots over the past year, and that is a good thing, but I have noticed the increase in "chat spammers". When I drop into a Town, lets say Giran, I get tons and tons of PM's telling me to go to "www.buyadna.com" (example). or I see players put up shops with the same info, that is really, not the way this game is to be played, and this is also forbidden by the EULA, so why do I keep seeing them in the every city in the game ? (this is on Chronos).

Well, just some thoughts...

You want better drop rate, but hate bots/spammers ...
Only bots get advantage from better drop rate. Playing 15hrs during 2weeks ... Casual nonfactors usually spends alot money ingame and don't talking about rising drop rate, because it's nonsense. For example, x10 drop rate gives you 150 nectars, but how many nectars every bot get during 2 weeks 24/7 online? How many billions adena bot owner gets additionaly,selling this nectar, and how crazy adena sellers became? So ususally such OP like you - involved in prohibited ingame activity or just have no point what he talking about.
Old style events gone forever. This game for bots and ebayers. Others just "game environment", like mobs and npc.

It was to my understanding that some of the Event drop rates in the past where limited to ( X amount per hour server wide ). As opposed to (1/X chance). It also seemed many of them did not add to drops, they over wrote them. So instead of getting a Fire Stone drop, it would be converted into a Nectar. (This was backed up by many players over 1,000's of hours of game play which resulted in some vary convincing patterns)

Back when the Island dropped Fire Stones you could count on (x amount, per 8-12 hours) When events happened that number magically shrunk to half or even 0 on a consistent basis.

If these are in fact true it means bots don't just saturate the market, they lower your drops significantly. (Even if untrue the saturation still destroys the market value)

As would dumping such an unproportional amount for the cash shop.



Some events where done with account bound items or per account. (When they where paid accounts it was a little tougher to abuse, now people could create 100+ accounts to exploit very easily).

This method doesn't allow players to make profit from an event though. If what they really need is gear and not enchants, bsoe, etc it doesn't help.

It was to my understanding that some of the Event drop rates in the past where limited to ( X amount per hour server wide ). As opposed to (1/X chance). It also seemed many of them did not add to drops, they over wrote them. So instead of getting a Fire Stone drop, it would be converted into a Nectar. (This was backed up by many players over 1,000's of hours of game play which resulted in some vary convincing patterns)

Back when the Island dropped Fire Stones you could count on (x amount, per 8-12 hours) When events happened that number magically shrunk to half or even 0 on a consistent basis.

If these are in fact true it means bots don't just saturate the market, they lower your drops significantly. (Even if untrue the saturation still destroys the market value)

As would dumping such an unproportional amount for the cash shop.



Some events where done with account bound items or per account. (When they where paid accounts it was a little tougher to abuse, now people could create 100+ accounts to exploit very easily).

This method doesn't allow players to make profit from an event though. If what they really need is gear and not enchants, bsoe, etc it doesn't help.


I do believe, that the drops rate also was affected by time of day, so that when I play during My daytime, the rates were low, and when I played during the night the drop rates were increased.

Well, it does help, but making $$ in this game is nearly impossible, (from Chronos point of View). We have clan / alliance Raids, to make $$, but still it takes way to long to get a descent amount of $ for R99 gear. You can play the market, but that is time consuming, you can play the marked via the AH, but that costs...

But the bots / farmers are def. making this game a hard one, but farming is not an offence, and should not be, cause you shall have the freedom to play your own way / style..

but boting, and adena comercializing should be struck down, and its anoying, I see those in shout chat, and even on "private" chat !! (just as I port into a town, a pm pops up .."

Only bots get advantage from better drop rate. ... don't talking about rising drop rate, because it's nonsense.


No. no. That is the point. With pay-2-win events only few rich guys can gather all best rewards, and with better drop (like when this game was pay-2-play before year 2011) all can benefit, cuz bot is free or costs only few $ per month. Events before 2011 were for all players - botters get more, legits less, but still it was nice and fun, and I was waiting events, they had been giving us some profit at least.
Now events are useless at all. Except few top $$$-players. Every new event is crying: "Buy ITEMS from L2STORE or die!!"
Last event is top ridiculous, you need to buy a 85$ pack to play.......

No. no. That is the point. With pay-2-win events only few rich guys can gather all best rewards, and with better drop (like when this game was pay-2-play before year 2011) all can benefit, cuz bot is free or costs only few $ per month. Events before 2011 were for all players - botters get more, legits less, but still it was nice and fun, and I was waiting events, they had been giving us some profit at least.
Now events are useless at all. Except few top $$$-players. Every new event is crying: "Buy ITEMS from L2STORE or die!!"
Last event is top ridiculous, you need to buy a 85$ pack to play.......
Every player can support his game and spend some $ for coins and get items fron l2store or adena from other players. This is not mandatory, and you can just play at 95lvl with casuals, without sieges, oly and some other stuff. You can get extra from events. I don't see any problems with rates. Even more, will be nice if event items stop droping from mobs, it's so stupid since they can't solve bots problem. But those few last persons behind juji and juji himself don't understand, why NCWest Lineage2 worse and worse. Milking players as hard as posible - one way ticket to the abyss. Problem #1 - bots. We need GMs EVERY DAY/NIGHT online, not stupid scripts which bans legit players! Competent IT admins to block IPs from russia/china/gr/br etc. Most connects from those 3rd world countries - bot's and farmers, which just makes a lot of new characters every day, and never spend 1nccoin even.
Before 2011 was nice events, but after, was some events way better even, like previous for example. Or right after GoD starts - not bad getting Tauti ring in 1st day of event, huh? :D Ring, which can be obtained in usual way many years later...

The daily's seem like a way to help circumvent bots. Getting rewards like Element Stones/Crystals and Adena in manner that is a little more difficult to bot. However, Quests Bots also exists (they used to run hot springs all day).


Should all Cash Shop items be available in game. The answer for every game is yes. This includes passes, promotional, limited time, anything.

Remember the Words "Truely Free to Play".

Lets define "Play". To "Play" in any MMORPG generally means to Advance in levels and strength typically through Upgrades & Armor, etc.

If your not Advancing in the game or at Non Competitive rate your not playing the game as it should occur.

The only blurry line comes in defining Competitive Play, and establishing a value for playing the game. There are horrid examples where 1,500 hours of in game play will gain you $5 worth of cash shop items. There are games that stack exp X15 or higher.



If you want an example of failure, L2 has plenty now. If your hunting with shots in an appropriate level area and losing money the game is defective.

I leveled from 77-86 and did other characters while obtaining no full drops, no elements stones, and nothing of substantial value. That type of game play is defective.

Playing another 500 hours isn't likely to change that much either. While quests may cover some of this, it's still defective.