Few days before, I and my clan mates got in very intersting situation with clan war. 1n clan, having many geared and well equipped ppl , declared us. but before that they took some rats in our clan. And sudenly after some period of time started war. Nothing special , but that rat, being in our clan was hitting nps in their castle 24\7. So
1) we dont know who started war at all
2) even if we know we cant dismiss him if he is hitting nps
3) we dont know where he is hitting nps
4) even if we know where , there is no 100% chance that we can get there.
5) GM said that he cant anything.... game process. VERY NICE .
So many problems, so many bags and u ask why this game dies....
May be because 50% of players just go to other projects , even not trying to play in mid, top clans because they are with lvl 85-94 and cant join them?
Anyway , i am not trying to say that game is bad , GMs are not making smth or smth else , no . I love this game and simply want to make it better and play with bigger number of good players. That is why I am writing here. As said GM , to change bit system or some rules, I have to write here.
So here i am ppl and i am asking you.
was that situation normal or not?
Do you want to change smth?
Because as for me, war system must be changed , if not fully , then at least for a bit. Because when u cant dismiss person , who started war, who can make more wars and is hitting nps in other castle , this is the end.
Sorry for too big message, i hope u will read it all.
Thank you for attention.
P.S ( We founded solution for that situation and stopped war, but that took time and force that not all clans have.)
L2 and so is best pvp game. So much pvp i saw only here . But the problem is that some ppl being on lvl 99+ kill in 1 shot others 95 and less, destroying Clans, CP , mood to play. I gues you are 1n of those who is 99+ . But if we wont make smth now , in future on server will be just ppl like u . And believe me, it wont be interesting.
And for shure you are not cl , you were not spending your time to create and grow up clan , to calculate crp , that can be destroyed just by 1n person.... in few days, all that u made in a year.
You wrong in lot of things
And yes im a CL and my clan here from OB and we always fight vs OP enemies, like Uprising (dominate all in past, but leave), Nova (still in game and dominate Chronos/Naia now)
War is learn how to play and show you what you need + sort ppl for bad and strong
If some one tell you that you need drop wars for lvl to max and then you will dominate - trust me its bullsh`t
Smart ppl always know how to lvl up fast with all wars, what you need for that, find friends for help /etc
War system is fine as it is. If you get a spy into your clan, that's the fault of the leadership, which doesn't do any investigation on the character or doesn't have a recruitment policy via applications. You shouldn't just invite into the clan every possible player, just cause you lack something. That's one of the ways to avoid getting war launched, which every clan, that gets offended one way or another (you know which ones you are on Naia) does that. But hey, everyone witnessed something like this happening to them at least once. In the end you can only say "lesson learned".
Only thing, that I see wrong with the whole war system, is the need to press CTRL while having a 2-sided war. I mean really, what's the need for this? It's understandable when you want to flag on a random player for some PvP, but for wars, come on... :rolleyes:
Ok ok
So when clan with ppl 95+ declare war to clan with ppl 85+ it is ok y?
Interesting.
To play with war status is nothing for u may be - player who is already 95+ , but what about newbe , players 85+? they cant exp in places even like soa because hero of the servers , thrue dmg dealers 99 come there to kill them....
Y time is going, and those 85 will grow up , but till that moment , 50% will leave clan to join clans without wars . that is the fact.
I dont want to change fully the system , at least a bit, because it is nonsense ,
1n person can really destroy full clan, because ppl in it are pve...
About fault of leadership. How can u understand that person , who joined ur clan is not a rat, bot and so on? CLs have some super force? i havenet received mine sorry then. Show the shop . Y when u take in clan player 95 + who u saw for 100 times, it is hard to make a mistake. but when in a day 10 ppl can join ur clan 1-90 lvl, how can u understand who is who a?
All i wanted to say, was that ,war system must be changed , at least a bit.
- let us know who\when\where started war or
-let us stop war in any time or
-let us dismiss any person in any time or smth else.
May be u where in this kind situation. Then think about it again , how many ppl could u have if not wars? and why should new ppl in new clans go by same road when it can be changed. Think about other ppl, not only about ur self and shame on u if u like to kill 85+ on 99lvl and only because of this u dont want to change system .
P.S ( I am writing to evryone who is reading this message , not to exactly person and sorry guys if i said smth wrong, but this thread is really important for me.)
Ok ok
So when clan with ppl 95+ declare war to clan with ppl 85+ it is ok y?
Interesting.
To play with war status is nothing for u may be - player who is already 95+ , but what about newbe , players 85+? they cant exp in places even like soa because hero of the servers , thrue dmg dealers 99 come there to kill them....
Y time is going, and those 85 will grow up , but till that moment , 50% will leave clan to join clans without wars . that is the fact.
I dont want to change fully the system , at least a bit, because it is nonsense ,
1n person can really destroy full clan, because ppl in it are pve...
About fault of leadership. How can u understand that person , who joined ur clan is not a rat, bot and so on? CLs have some super force? i havenet received mine sorry then. Show the shop . Y when u take in clan player 95 + who u saw for 100 times, it is hard to make a mistake. but when in a day 10 ppl can join ur clan 1-90 lvl, how can u understand who is who a?
All i wanted to say, was that ,war system must be changed , at least a bit.
- let us know who\when\where started war or
-let us stop war in any time or
-let us dismiss any person in any time or smth else.
May be u where in this kind situation. Then think about it again , how many ppl could u have if not wars? and why should new ppl in new clans go by same road when it can be changed. Think about other ppl, not only about ur self and shame on u if u like to kill 85+ on 99lvl and only because of this u dont want to change system .
P.S ( I am writing to evryone who is reading this message , not to exactly person and sorry guys if i said smth wrong, but this thread is really important for me.)
Making a level 85 char today is fairly easy, hell it takes a few hours to make it. Declaring war to lower clans with lower level people, undergeared people is not ok, on the contrary. For new clans of course it's a - on the CRP if they get a war launched by a spy, since they want to grow up, nothing positive on this. If you're having problems like this, make an alternative clan, with the current people which are low level and when they hit a certain level, you put them into the main clan.
Yes, me personally, I blame the leadership, for something like this to happen. It is those that have the privileges, that are responsible for the people, that they invite into the clan. If you have more people that have invitation rights, let them keep track of the people, that they invite, simple.
It's not that you have super power as a clan leader, if you want to lead a clan you'll need to do a proper job. Change the recruitment system would be a new steppingstone. Furthermore, if you see a player a gazillion times, it does not matter. To avoid this, start recruiting CPs or start with forming CPs (this one looking for this in his party, this one for this, this one for that etc.), easier way to avoid stuff like having spies in the clan. Usually people in CPs have more trust towards each other, than the people without it.
As for the people that like killing lower levels, that's been here for years, you need to realize, that some people will do anything just so that they win, keep using you-know-what or by killing lower/undergeared people, just to prove their superiority :)
It is good that we understand each other , but there are still some problems.
U cant take in clan only CP . There are I gues 30% of all ppl on the server without CP , but with very good hands, smart guys. Their problem is online, because of jop, childrens , wife and so on. Online is not stable and they cant play in CP , but they are still very good. And some times , such kind of ppl can take more then 50% of ppl in your clan . Not good, not bad , but it is . And i dont wonna loose them .
About alt clan, same thing can happen there and you will need to make new 1n , not bad ideyam already made same things, but still not enouf.
As i said before, need just small changes at least to make game more honest .
If you lf something honest, you are in wrong game
Most ppl here because its have challenge and its still hardcore
And if ppl left your clan, because of wars, you dont need them in clan at all(of course if you want to make pvp clan, not pve), they will left you at any moment for any other reason.
If you make pve clan, then you need strong selection.
Make ally with some clan (made by you and lvl 4 only for example), put ppl there 1st, check how they play for some period 1-2 month, move to main clan if they good and loyal.
Just by reading at these posts I would have already leave your clan. I agree with the fail leadership and it's clear to me that you are mostly interested in quantity over quality and yet fail to see what you are doing wrong when problems arrive
My answer to Keoz)
Dude we are talking about war system and if u have something agains me, it is your problem, so be polite and dont write about other things.
About Clan and ppl, y i would like to have more ppl sudenly, does it mean that I am looking on number of ppl not on their behavior? NO. If u where in my clan, you could know that i dismissed many ppl, because of their specific behavior.
And 1 more)
Yes i am looking for new ppl, to renew clan and sudenly make it bigger, just at least to make some epics. because epics with randoms it is smth hard. And even if u have 5 best players in clan u cant make with them epic tauti without randoms)))
So pls, stop words about me or other clans and leaders , if u have smth to say about war system, say it. Otherwise, dont spam pls, coz at least i wont answer u anymore. GL