Dear NC you need to boost full party exp rate so people in full party get same exp as if they only duo, why? cos its impossible to find exp party, most people duo with dualbox iss, katria now has gone to 4pp only , rare party take more than 4. Playing in full party must be more beneficial in terms of exp and drop than playing solo/duo and so on, cos now even i make party people refuse to go in full they are greedy as fu** ...
Full party should always be more beneficial than soloing or anything less than full
Dear NC you need to boost full party exp rate so people in full party get same exp as if they only duo, why? cos its impossible to find exp party, most people duo with dualbox iss, katria now has gone to 4pp only , rare party take more than 4. Playing in full party must be more beneficial in terms of exp and drop than playing solo/duo and so on, cos now even i make party people refuse to go in full they are greedy as fu** ...
Full party should always be more beneficial than soloing or anything less than full
why is it greedy to do smaller group, its more fun, its often easier and yes you get more xp and better chance for drop
question is why they don't take you in the small groups if you can't find any?
I have couple of chars and have no problem getting in kartia group on any of them, and obviously you can always create your own group. But as a healer I can tell you that I do not like full kartia groups.
meh i have healer also and 4 ppl groups also invite me, im just not going in 4 , its way too slow, katria is already linear boring instance and im just doing it cos of rly good exp,so faster i can do it better i feel
i agree about exp, ya you get more exp in 4 but still what part of it is more interesting? its just takes longer, and what about drop? less people = better drop? kind of hard to believe that
meh i have healer also and 4 ppl groups also invite me, im just not going in 4 , its way too slow, katria is already linear boring instance and im just doing it cos of rly good exp,so faster i can do it better i feel
i agree about exp, ya you get more exp in 4 but still what part of it is more interesting? its just takes longer, and what about drop? less people = better drop? kind of hard to believe that
it is not that much faster anyway
for me the thing is that I dont do it just for the xp,i do it to play my char and to see others play their chars...in full groups everyone tends to slack, because there is another 6 ppl who will help...in smaller groups ppl have to actually play to get things done and you can appreciate decent players and be appreciated
its also less messy
better chance to get the drop, not better drop, if EWR drops in full group its 1/7 chance in small group its 1/3 or 1/4 chance, used to do duos and then its 1/2 chance, ill always take 3 mil rather than 1mil
mkey i get your point but still in situation when there is general lack of people to play with, only 1 party matching room page max i have never seen more this month you must admit that boosting full party exp would help easier to group existing players, cos solo ir boring as hell
mkey i get your point but still in situation when there is general lack of people to play with, only 1 party matching room page max i have never seen more this month you must admit that boosting full party exp would help easier to group existing players, cos solo ir boring as hell
yup agree, mb scale the xp, drops and also difficulty of kartias with group size as well
i dont solo at all except on evi solo soa witch is actually fun for a short time
Farming in party is the most important point of an online game.
Solo farming is just like I am playing an offline game.
They need to encourage party farming not only on instance but also on open world.
If I must to play solo most of the time at low level, it better for me to play on a PvP Private Server.
well they are doing it wrong! on my sub - healer i can find party easy on main - summoner im in paty matching for 20+ mins if im lucky, people just tend to 4ppl or **** -_- and while there are rly not that much players it is a huge problem, plz boost party exp so players make full party cos now getting healer and iss is a huge, HUGE, problem if full party exp will match 4ppl exp then lack of healers/iss will be less felt
it would be perfect to adjust dual-class system so if you are playing damage dealer - you can only dualclass support heal/iss and the other way, support/iss can only dualclass dd but that would be too much to ask from nc, just boost party exp so people dont refuse to go in full pt
it is not that much faster anyway
for me the thing is that I dont do it just for the xp,i do it to play my char and to see others play their chars...in full groups everyone tends to slack, because there is another 6 ppl who will help...in smaller groups ppl have to actually play to get things done and you can appreciate decent players and be appreciated
its also less messy
better chance to get the drop, not better drop, if EWR drops in full group its 1/7 chance in small group its 1/3 or 1/4 chance, used to do duos and then its 1/2 chance, ill always take 3 mil rather than 1mil
Yeah, sometimes the full party clears kartia with unbelievable speed, but at times it feels like it's an effective 4-5man party, with 7 people.
About drop, all I can say that it only matters with 'by turn' item distribution. After all, does it matter if 3-4 different people take the drop, or one takes 3 and another takes 0-1, when it's never you who gets the drop?
In terms of drop value, Kartia can net you around 30m total, which may not be much, but it's something you don't make out of any mob that fast. Therefore ppl do this duo or solo, once for the better xp, second for the adena.
Yeah, sometimes the full party clears kartia with unbelievable speed, but at times it feels like it's an effective 4-5man party, with 7 people.
About drop, all I can say that it only matters with 'by turn' item distribution. After all, does it matter if 3-4 different people take the drop, or one takes 3 and another takes 0-1, when it's never you who gets the drop?
it works for random well, the chances are double, the fact you might get unlucky doesnt change anything, you still have twice as big chance to get ewr than in full group
In terms of drop value, Kartia can net you around 30m total, which may not be much, but it's something you don't make out of any mob that fast. Therefore ppl do this duo or solo, once for the better xp, second for the adena.
it can , and it can not also, its a chance, if you divide it to all the times you go in and when you get garbage loot its not that money efficient
I'm sorry, but who cares about getting a ewr anyways? Personally, I do kartias because they give you 10-15 minutes of enjoyment. And I don't mean for killing the same stupid mobs + boss once or twice every day, but for the hopes (if it's random) you can have a pleasant experience seeing some other people. I've duo'd, 3-man, 4-man, and full partied...my xp/sp bar doesn't move that much differently for any variation. The better % drop....who gives a crap really? My wallet has never gotten fat off a kartia since full drops stopped coming out of one. It's now just an easy xp/sp grab..hopefully a nice conversation, then move on to other things. For people to shut out others so they can get "better xp/sp" or a "better chance at drop" is not only selfish and delusional, but it just shows us what the L2 community is..greedy and out for themselves. That's all.
in full groups everyone tends to slack, because there is another 6 ppl who will helpMaybe you just know a bunch of losers. In my world when people don't help, they're asked to leave, or get /dismiss 'd. Shouldn't shut the door on the world before they have a chance. Plus, you can always pk them at the end..kill the boss and lose your karma. Everyone deserves a chance...sheesh, is this high school?
I'm sorry, but who cares about getting a ewr anyways? Personally, I do kartias because they give you 10-15 minutes of enjoyment. And I don't mean for killing the same stupid mobs + boss once or twice every day, but for the hopes (if it's random) you can have a pleasant experience seeing some other people. I've duo'd, 3-man, 4-man, and full partied...my xp/sp bar doesn't move that much differently for any variation. The better % drop....who gives a crap really? My wallet has never gotten fat off a kartia since full drops stopped coming out of one. It's now just an easy xp/sp grab..hopefully a nice conversation, then move on to other things. For people to shut out others so they can get "better xp/sp" or a "better chance at drop" is not only selfish and delusional, but it just shows us what the L2 community is..greedy and out for themselves. That's all.
I do get my adenas from ewrs and similar drops. So yes I do care. Maybe you have different sources of money, I do not, mine are drops from instances and its working out well so far.
Yet I do go to full parties on my chars as well, but usually in full groups the party chat is more silent than in small groups.
I am not shutting out anyone, I am just playing the game, they can play the game as well.
How the hell is anything "delusional" in the context of this thread?
L2 was always beside the parting and having fun also about getting gear, how is playing the game for the game's goals greedy or selfish?
Maybe you just know a bunch of losers. In my world when people don't help, they're asked to leave, or get /dismiss 'd. Shouldn't shut the door on the world before they have a chance. Plus, you can always pk them at the end..kill the boss and lose your karma. Everyone deserves a chance...sheesh, is this high school?
Maybe you enjoy asking ppl to leave, kicking them from party or pking them. I do not. In smaller groups I do tell them what to improve and how to not slack. In bigger groups one person's slack or lack of skills will easily be hidden behind the other players. And with slack I do not mean just not hitting...
Take it easy, you seem to get quite fired up about this.
Maybe you enjoy asking ppl to leave, kicking them from party or pking them. I do not. In smaller groups I do tell them what to improve and how to not slack. In bigger groups one person's slack or lack of skills will easily be hidden behind the other players. And with slack I do not mean just not hitting...
Take it easy, you seem to get quite fired up about this.Nah, I don't enjoy that..I'm just saying give people a chance first...if they prove to suck then get rid of them. Your method is guilty til proven innocent. And no I'm not "fired up".. if you're reading my text as angry in any way, you're reading it wrong. Text sucks... I appologize if that's how it's coming off. I was just making statements.
Nah, I don't enjoy that..I'm just saying give people a chance first...if they prove to suck then get rid of them. Your method is guilty til proven innocent. And no I'm not "fired up".. if you're reading my text as angry in any way, you're reading it wrong. Text sucks... I appologize if that's how it's coming off. I was just making statements.
I guess I do in a way practice "guilty til proven innocent", but to be honest, I got to deal with a lot of ppl in my job and that's where I do the opposite and then have to keep telling them to not slack etc. In the game I want to avoid it and relax, and I do hate the party conflicts that lead to kicking/pking/arguing. I used to enjoy those dramas when I played more and didn't have socially demanding job.
i have iss box but its rly boring to play solo, whats the point of multiplayer if all you can do is solo grind, no wonder people are so tempted by bots
Ppl r tempted by botting bcuz they r egomaniacs, have social disorders and bcuz they want to cheat, whatever r the options to make their game easier given by NCsoft.
But dont you think more boring is to stay in Aden nearly a full hour shouting for 7 ppl that you'll be stressed with, maybe dont even would be good players when you can just pull your iss along and finish it by yourself? But whatever make you feel happy, gl.
meh i find it fun to play in party for hour or two, if exp would be the same and drop would at least be self sustainable so i don't sink adena, i would pref to stay ir nornils cave or at soa blue, its fun but as i posted above its hard to make party and i cannot blame people, you know if nc does not want to add adena at least add mystic ssr/bssr to mob drop so we dont have to buy regular ones in market and exp , ofc exp,i tested today and ya it was cool to gather 2-3 packs of mobs and aoe blast them in party if only that would be better dop/exp than instances and its not. In these 4+ hours i exped there today we had only 2 tanks for some time and most of the time we had no tank, for most of the time one of party members had to log in iss to buff us cos there were no iss in party matching willing to come
are you saying this is not a problem? people are just too "lazy" to grind? or may be grind is just not worth it any more
i dont understand this hostility about my posts, its like im saying to someone - dude 1-85 is too slow , there is lack of new players and i get in response
we are on the same ***** side, we all want more players, more party play, more life on server, if my ideas are wrong and may be they are then plz give some suggestions what could be done instead, i dont give a **** about fact that NC has not done anything from suggested in a years, give me good ideas how to make things better and i will find a way to email it personally to someone in koreal lol
Partially I do agree with you: there's indeed a lack of new player base in the game, on all servers, but this has nothing to do with 1-85 being "slow" - while it has been pumped up quite a lot in the last updates, so no sense to say this now - but rather with the game being totally hostile towards a fresh new player - when they get to lvl up they realize they r getting sh*t from mobs, no money, no gear, no ppl to get together with and party, nothing at all. What would be the expectations of such person when he foresee lvl 85 onwards? Ofc to quit the game and give a middle finger to it, that's it.
Ppl here doesnt care for grind bcuz they r addicted and too much used to bot - why to spend 3-4h of their lives playing while they can set up a full pt and go on allnight sleep to find out that at morning they r 2-3 lvls higher than before? And dont fool yourself, even if NCsoft lower the req for party/instance or whatever, ppl will turn out to go in smaller grps whenever they can. If you r playing here time enough, you'd be the one used to rise box for both istina/octavis to do it in 1 pt when by default you'd need 2 minimum. Lol, some time ago one grp of my clan even got into octavis epic boxing alts just to farm it alone.
So, now you can enter with only 1 pt in istina? no problemo, box 2 alts and we go in 5. Or even 4 ppl if they r strong enough. Rinse and repeat for everything else, bcuz the ppl you r partying with doesnt care if you r getting level or what, they only care IF and WHEN they will get xp/level, that's it. You even happens to face it inside big, medium or smaller clans, aswell - where the dramallama flows in neverending joy.
Afterall, the game is just fine the way it is. What ruin the game r its players, aka us, the real (or no so real) person behind the desktop. And against that, my dear, there's no power you can aknowledge to win or change anything.
And ppl r not being hostile towards you, we r just tellin you the cold truth (and it always hurts). So get used to it and move long.
well then you agree to many things im also saying, drop is not worth it, spoil is not worth it, people feel like getting middle finger, that's literally what i sad in one of my replays. And about party exp, im saying to boost party exp in a way that lets say when you go duo you get 100k exp each, when you go in 7 you get 110k exp, so party exp is always better than duo, what harm could it bring? what real damage to the server would be done by this? 10% exp increase in full will not make someone to leg 6 toons :D :D :D ofc you cannot make x10 drop cos people will just log alts but you can change all spirit shot mechanic, instead of spirit shots just give players passive skill - use spirits or whatever, yes its drastic but that solves problem, completely, cos if you don't spend cash for shots you will always get more adena from farm, is that not correct? Even if you get little its still something better than when you lose it.
New player who had never played l2 should be feeling like - nice i got this cool sword now i can do some damage, o nice this buff made me rly strong, wow nice this spiritshot skill make me ninja in damage, o cool in this rate i will save up for something good in future my adena is rising! O awesome this dude who joined party helps me kill faster , and exp is a little better, nice!
These should be emotions when you are having good time in game but not , hmm i will not have money with this rate, may be i should make 3 alts for shop? hmm i wonder will my class be needed in late game, now noone rly wants to party me, exp is not good in party, may be its better to dualbox? **** party, i sink all adena on armor anyway i have nothing to share..
And one more, there are too many bots who sell gold, they are professionals and auto logn, rebuff, sell stuff, come back when killed, i remember in harnak one time i killed one summoner like 20 times, poisoned to 1 hp on my summoner and he died form mobs but he just kept coming back and i just left the spot, but there are not that many people who know how to set bot that good, most of them will just set it to one square zone with auto heal, assist and pick up, when you see them you can just kill them and problem solved, its not the real problem, also if there would not be profit to gold sellers there casual bots would rly stand out, its easy to spot the bot, problem is there are just too many of them to get some proper punishment. To change that thing we agreed on - rewarding game-play you need to deal with bots, there is no other way, and to deal with them you need to cut the root - profit , let the rich one buy stuff directly from nc, they will buy it anyway from gold sellers we would just cut the middle man and get rid of bots, and tell me im wrong? and if we get rid of bots yes then we can talk about new players, cos when i went to forsaken plains today - like 19 orc mystics and noone else, if i would be new player i would just quit at that sight.
you know in very least, if NC just states - we can not and we will not do anything about bots! shots stay cos teemo, and anyway you are all lazy - ok *** the bots, just bring back the drop, bring back the spoils, there will be no reasonable market cos prices will be broken by gold sellers who will be able to sell a lot of adena but *** it , game will be way way more pay to win but at least new players will not have that middle finger in face after just few hours of in game time and no matter the bots people will make party , spoil , craft and do something instead of fishing 24/7 or logging off
I like to party but fact is on naia arent good quality people for PVE.
So I just leveled my buffer to Lv101 and now I can smash, everything, everywhere. :)
I like to party but fact is on naia arent good quality people for PVE.
So I just leveled my buffer to Lv101 and now I can smash, everything, everywhere. :)