Has any GM ever played this game to see the server situation and solve the problem actually? or maybe they just don't care and will let Archers rule this game till the End?
all the ppl (less yuls and othels) are tired of the light classes 1 shoting all the others .. but i think the GMs dont care .. tomorrow will be OP daggers again then archers.. and if u are wynn or mage with standar gear just sell all u have and make 1 of that 2 classes more cheap and more easy to play with a plus u can 1-2 shoot the other classes with ur same gear :P
They'll nerf them eventually, and then all of the new archers will move on to whatever class is dominant at that time. That's the way it's always been with this game. Very few people stick with their same class through thick and thin... or roll a class that isn't popular, but is one that they just like playing.
When the people spending money on Yul Archer DONE SPENDING their money then they will make another class Over-Powered, so people will switch to the new over-powered class to start all over again...(at least, this is what they hope)
When the people spending money on Yul Archer DONE SPENDING their money then they will make another class Over-Powered, so people will switch to the new over-powered class to start all over again...(at least, this is what they hope)
Ertheia Evis are kings of PVE and yet I see very few of them.
there will never be perfect balance in game like this, just play class you like, when there will be too many archers on server NC will make some other class string so people reroll and NC make profit out of it
Seriously think about making something.
On last dim siege all ppl with top gear were playing archers and ppl were dieing like flyes.And I talk about ppl 100-101 with not top but decent gear.
There must be some new buff or potion or reduce archer dmg dunno but reminds me back in days in Chronos when all nukers were using transformation anakim on sieges it is just the same story.:mad:
Because of this it made a lot of people quitting actually, its not benefit for anyone, You lose any motivation to play when you have 80% of the endgame gear that worth 200b almsot and you still take around 50k dmg without any debuff on you from only 1 Claas played by a complete noob fully scripted that will laugh at you afterward saying "oh it was too easy"
This is getting ridiculous, and this is why i stopped pvping for over a month.
They'll nerf them eventually, and then all of the new archers will move on to whatever class is dominant at that time. That's the way it's always been with this game. Very few people stick with their same class through thick and thin... or roll a class that isn't popular, but is one that they just like playing.
I've stuck with my original toon that I created October 6, 2005. It's now a level 100 Feoh Archmage and I'd never reroll. They've nerfed my class more times than I can count. I deal with it and still enjoy playing it!.. 'nuf said. :D
Back in the day it was one shot in the back. Now its 1 shot in the faceI'm sorry, but any way I read this it makes me laugh.............so dirty.
Still waiting for my Tyrr to be the OP class, dominating all that cross it's path! I'll be waiting........waiting.......waiting........ aw hell, forget it.
I am an archer and have good gear and I get killed all the time. I don't feel its unbalanced compared to some of the other classes.
As a lineage player from the Lin 1 days it is important to remember that gear aside that there are some extremely talented players out there. Just like in the race car world its not the fastest car its the best driver. A few highly skilled players can go 1 to 5 all day long. No matter the class or the gear.
(for the record my gear = good, my skill at playing = weak!)
I'm sorry, but any way I read this it makes me laugh.............so dirty.
Still waiting for my Tyrr to be the OP class, dominating all that cross it's path! I'll be waiting........waiting.......waiting........ aw hell, forget it.
Im still waiting that Fortuneseekers will be invited to parties once again ! LOL
and back to OP, maybe there is a reason even Juji plays archer with a Lindvior Bow :p :D
Archers are already nerfed. Since lindvior they nerf the critical damage modifier of bow/xbows. -60% critical reduction from buffs was not enought. These days there are even more items reducing received critical damage. And even some classes passive/buff skills.
This 101 skill is just like Critical Adventures/etc that daggers got a bunch updates ago at lvl 85. LEVEL 85. Lasts 5 min instead of 1 with few seconds reuse.
And btw, at the same update dagger/dual dagger critical damage modifier was elevated higher then 2x and still like this until today.
Stop crying, game is perfectly balanced. Whats not balanced is the l2 store that is the source of all +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ weapons and armors.
Archers are already nerfed. Since lindvior they nerf the critical damage modifier of bow/xbows. -60% critical reduction from buffs was not enought. These days there are even more items reducing received critical damage. And even some classes passive/buff skills.
This 101 skill is just like Critical Adventures/etc that daggers got a bunch updates ago at lvl 85. LEVEL 85. Lasts 5 min instead of 1 with few seconds reuse.
And btw, at the same update dagger/dual dagger critical damage modifier was elevated higher then 2x and still like this until today.
Stop crying, game is perfectly balanced. Whats not balanced is the l2 store that is the source of all +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ weapons and armors.
If archers are nerfed now dude then i'm Napoleon. Oke ? whatever are those reductions in critical damage they are literally irrelevant. Imo there is something devs forgot in their formulas :D
This Noodles is obsessed by something that doesn't even exist in the server files....
Also about the archers, they are extra imba, even my GS being only lvl100 , where I don't have CI and I use the mediocre Infinity Thrower, I still hit well equipped toons for 30k+, let alone if it's a robe user.... 50k+ almost guaranteed....
Has any GM ever played this game to see the server situation and solve the problem actually? or maybe they just don't care and will let Archers rule this game till the End?
i am phantom ranger and i dont think that i ''rule''... oh yea and btw.. the game is well balanced *kick*
hiting more than all other DDs, untargeateable and hide skills with the super formula by ncsoft (80% chance mastery skill), with aditional 80% resistance debuff for 1 -2 min.. and its nerfed? where? :rolleyes:
forgot something u cant hit a othel/yul during the boost evacion skills :D
Has any GM ever played this game to see the server situation and solve the problem actually? or maybe they just don't care and will let Archers rule this game till the End?
Andouille?! Wtf man, I expected more from a veteran of the game like you! Did you seriously think that a GM in a NC West server can do anything to change the design of a Korean developed game like Lineage is?
Besides, since 2011 there is always a FOTM class that overshadows the rest, before current archers were daggers before then mages before then archers again and so on. Re-roll or wait your turn to be OP again..
Andouille?! Wtf man, I expected more from a veteran of the game like you! Did you seriously think that a GM in a NC West server can do anything to change the design of a Korean developed game like Lineage is?
Besides, since 2011 there is always a FOTM class that overshadows the rest, before current archers were daggers before then mages before then archers again and so on. Re-roll or wait your turn to be OP again..
they nerfed crit. rate from mages .. why not?
i think the OP have yul is only the new skill to 101lvl
yul 100lvl is not OP
the new skill 101lvl and Abundance lvl1 make yul OP this time .
Yul has been boosted in this update in all levels, and due to the idiotic lazy skill and ability grade given to them, cumulatively over the class design.
Half kill possiblity, ignoring pdef, blinks, chance to reflect debuffs, high patck pool, evasion, hide, stun along with a dozen of selfbuffs and boosts aimed to crit rate/crit dmg and patck. A Yul that's failing to kill from mobs to ppl in this update, is someone that doesnt even know how to hit the hot F keys on his screen, tbh.
But dont fool yourselves, bcuz if Yuls r being OP here, that's means they r like sh*t in korea yet, and certainly a bunch of mages still can kick their *ss good enough to dev team even think to boost them more. The thing ppl forget is that korean feohs r always stacked to their teeths, with all possiblity items for mage ingame (and being able to hit the roof of 300k+ matck); now who can say how many feohs in NCWest r running under this setup: 8+ dark sets, 12-15 dark retris and all sort of jewels, talismans, gems to boost up the class? If they exist, obviously we can count in our right hand's fingers.
And @Padla, the problem is: when the other classes will get their turn to the OP spolight? Cuz since GoD launch, the pie creamy rotation is only tied to dagger-feoh-archer.
Maybe NCsoft could just enlight us if we can sit patiently while waiting for when tanks, healers, iss'es, tyrrs and wynns will have their turn on the cake share, just to avoid some distress.
Maybe NCsoft could just enlight us if we can sit patiently while waiting for when tanks, healers, iss'es, tyrrs and wynns will have their turn on the cake share, just to avoid some distress.
if u take away the archers and othels, iss and healers are already OP in olys by the hand of new skills and TOPAZs (the pay to win skill)
I am an archer and have good gear and I get killed all the time. I don't feel its unbalanced compared to some of the other classes.
As a lineage player from the Lin 1 days it is important to remember that gear aside that there are some extremely talented players out there. Just like in the race car world its not the fastest car its the best driver. A few highly skilled players can go 1 to 5 all day long. No matter the class or the gear.
(for the record my gear = good, my skill at playing = weak!)
Dude,do u read what u say :)?.U first say how u get killed all time,u not fell its unbalanced,and then on end u admit u just suck at pvp and archer skils.When u play archer class few years(5+),like me mage,u can talk very precisely about that class,how is it in pvp,how is their skills,dmg,defense,etc etc.Untill that,well my friend,u not know nothing about archers ,u know like in Game of Thrones,''You know nothing Jon Snow'' :D.
DenimBlackDude,do u read what u say :)?.U first say how u get killed all time,u not fell its unbalanced,and then on end u admit u just suck at pvp and archer skils.When u play archer class few years(5+),like me mage,u can talk very precisely about that class,how is it in pvp,how is their skills,dmg,defense,etc etc.Untill that,well my friend,u not know nothing about archers ,u know like in Game of Thrones,''You know nothing Jon Snow'' :D.[/QUOTE
Tanks need a little rework.
0 Damage okey can handle it i am tank
0 defence with a +8 set heavy r99 because lethal strike can avoid ur ******* armor and get a 28k damage in the face in olys
i think C1-C4 where the balance chronicles.
Tank can make his job Getting aggro from Bosses Mobs Raids all...
now i make 10 aggros to the boss my party has all the agression...
Tanks before can resist archers and mages and almost inmune about daggers.
Now if isnt a lethal strike or a OP feoh that hits 20k per hit all my gear is ****.
Change for my opinion:
- Ignore death: ·30m -> 10min. /Evicerators lvl85 can kill tanks 97 i had made it... they have his ignore death for 30sec + Damage + 30% HP back Each 5min (like 3min with skill reduction)
- Rework The Aggression Skills
- A balance skills for the class Resist Lethal strikes at least some % resistance...
- And in my opinion to recibe the passive from tyrs Master of combat: Max CP + 16% and Max HP + 8%. When equipped with heavy armor, received P./M. Critical Damage - 35%.
without the CP and HP+ but only with the p./m. critical damage reduction.
Back in the day it was one shot in the back. Now its 1 shot in the face. Soon it will be 1 shot through UD.
This is the past, present and future of L2 in one neat sentence. I almost popped a rib laughing so much :D
what is OP?
GS who can do crazy crit damage right now?
Iss with their new Barrier and MI?
Daggers?
Dreadnaughs and their crazy perma stun?
Healers who are like walls?
Seer with perma hide?
Evirs with crazy single target damage?
I have to admit that DE Archers are really crazy now (and now look aroud how many ppl playing Trickster MS and HE compared to the GS flood that happened) but every other archer class is just doing the damage it should...even worse, Hawkeyes need a boost.
In the end all this doesent matter cause the scripts with all the pay to win that happen on NCWest wins (greetings to all the handless Kids out there)
what is OP?
GS who can do crazy crit damage right now?
Iss with their new Barrier and MI?
Daggers?
Dreadnaughs and their crazy perma stun?
Healers who are like walls?
Seer with perma hide?
Evirs with crazy single target damage?
I have to admit that DE Archers are really crazy now (and now look aroud how many ppl playing Trickster MS and HE compared to the GS flood that happened) but every other archer class is just doing the damage it should...even worse, Hawkeyes need a boost.
In the end all this doesent matter cause the scripts with all the pay to win that happen on NCWest wins (greetings to all the handless Kids out there)
Not every iss has MI, or can perma stone anymore or mindless use heal without worrying to not overun the mana usage;
Daggers r pretty much based on lucky skills (halfkills), and if you manage to pick them off their evasion/hide, they r pretty paper;
Dreads r still tyrr, what means if you can resist their stun once or twice, they r pretty weak. In fact, if NCdevs someday solve this debuff land rate sh*t, it would be the end of dreads, tbh;
Healers? lol, even tanks can win by dmg. next;
Pick those seers out of their hide and voilà, weak ones;
Wait till Steel Mind wears off and done, evisc gone.
Now about the archer doing the dmg they r supposed to do, I just wanna ask what kind of pot you r smoking. To that to be true, NCdevs should have been nerfed every selfbuff of them (passive 1k+ mastery chance, defuff reflect, flash, hide, ME, evasion and every other selfbuff tied to increase critdmg, pattck, critrate etc), so this bsh*t of "they r doing the dmg they r supposed to do" would be even then acceptable.
Andouille?! Wtf man, I expected more from a veteran of the game like you! Did you seriously think that a GM in a NC West server can do anything to change the design of a Korean developed game like Lineage is?
Besides, since 2011 there is always a FOTM class that overshadows the rest, before current archers were daggers before then mages before then archers again and so on. Re-roll or wait your turn to be OP again..
Not every iss has MI, or can perma stone anymore or mindless use heal without worrying to not overun the mana usage;
Daggers r pretty much based on lucky skills (halfkills), and if you manage to pick them off their evasion/hide, they r pretty paper;
Dreads r still tyrr, what means if you can resist their stun once or twice, they r pretty weak. In fact, if NCdevs someday solve this debuff land rate sh*t, it would be the end of dreads, tbh;
Healers? lol, even tanks can win by dmg. next;
Pick those seers out of their hide and voilà, weak ones;
Wait till Steel Mind wears off and done, evisc gone.
Now about the archer doing the dmg they r supposed to do, I just wanna ask what kind of pot you r smoking. To that to be true, NCdevs should have been nerfed every selfbuff of them (passive 1k+ mastery chance, defuff reflect, flash, hide, ME, evasion and every other selfbuff tied to increase critdmg, pattck, critrate etc), so this bsh*t of "they r doing the dmg they r supposed to do" would be even then acceptable.
Lots of "if" Posts u stated.
Let me tell you, IF a archer hasnt Evasion or instinct on, they are paper as well.
Same as nukers are when their UD and shield are off ;)
Flash? nice skill many other classes have also or something compareable...seer, dagger, isses even tyrrs can make u loose target or even worse weapon. (some are retargetable some are not).
Minds eye? compared to AoD or frenzy/guts it's just a joke, not a skill to mention at all since abundance and instincts came out.
Hide? lol ya big deal since everyone can take anti hide Talismans now (just in case they dont use scripts alrdy).
So again....yes archers are suppossed to do this damage cause their defensive abilities compared to others arent that strong and their HP also not if they hit that hard.
So save your trashtalk and try to play an Trickster HE or MS in Oly on a good populated Server like chronos or naia and then tell me again how OP those archers are.
Oh and for your info, im talking about end game chars, which means pretty stacked with most epics and at least blessed gear + dark weapon. Cause i know myself that a lvel 90 dread wont be able to perma stun a 99+ decent geared toon.
Yeah, too seriously OP that every other class can win by damage/time.
Now pls tell me other joke, this wasnt a good one.
yes sure try to kill a healer with a mage and then tell me who is OP ?(healer dsp > mage dps) and dying by 3 topaz a healer ? i dont think so .. only mage was screw with the "pay to win l2 store TOPAZ"
Lots of "if" Posts u stated.
Same as nukers are when their UD and shield are off ;)
3 hit with arcane barrier = no mp
Flash? nice skill many other classes have also or something compareable...
mage dont have any comparable skill .. and add it archer/dagger have perma masterys skill so double time :)
Minds eye? compared to AoD or frenzy/guts it's just a joke, not a skill to mention at all since abundance and instincts came out.
Mind eyes how much 1 min or 2 ? (remember 80 % mastery skill).. vs 30 sec from a nuker double and sipirt haha another jk
Hide? lol ya big deal since everyone can take anti hide Talismans now (just in case they dont use scripts alrdy).
can use perma talis and its unavoidable ? NO
So again....yes archers are suppossed to do this damage cause their defensive abilities compared to others arent that strong and their HP also not if they hit that hard.
low hp ? use a mage then tell me who have low hp ..and tell me which class hit more hard ..
So save your trashtalk and try to play an Trickster HE or MS in Oly on a good populated Server like chronos or naia and then tell me again how OP those archers are.
in olys 50 % of DDs are archers or othels, in siege its around 80 % 90 % of total DDs
Oh and for your info, im talking about end game chars, which means pretty stacked with most epics and at least blessed gear + dark weapon. Cause i know myself that a lvel 90 dread wont be able to perma stun a 99+ decent geared toon.
the tyrr qqing is a noob :D
From what i hear ... they already edited Yuls on Corean server ... meaning it will be done here also .
What really bugs me is this unballance crap is that some classes are left behind ... you can consider them dead actually .
Ex: Othell Fortune Seeker
This day's ppl dont even take you to party's if your not OP in gear
Octavis ? ... you can forget it ... everyone wants Long Range or CW
I am a lvl 99 Othell Fortune Seeker and i love my lil dwarfie , but what NC is doing to it ... is like a slow cancer that will kill the class .... maybe they want a server full with arcers only .
I have seen pvp red bows more and more lately ... it alarming ... in oly it does not matter you got good gear or not .. Sayha and Yul will own you even with lower gear because their OP .
What does NC say to this ?
Nothing .... why ?
Because they only count the $$ and don't really care about the player base dropping as long as the green keeps comming in .
I will continue to play my class hoping that one day they would consider balancing the classes and giving everyone equal chance ,
Let the skills talk ... not the 1 shot 250k 150k 40k damage talk .