There seems to be some confusion over the true value of what Kelbim and Tauti weapons are worth. Some people overestimate them almost to the point that they are end-game-weapons like bloody or dark; and some others underestimate and don't think so highly of them... I've done some testing to see what they are really like.
PvE: Kelbim or Tauti is equal to +10 Blessed specter weapon or +10 Amaranthine Weapon(None-Blessed)
I've done some Kartia runs with them and with +10 Blessed R95, +12 B. R95 weapons,+10 & +12 R99 weapons, and this is the result.
Kelbim = Tauti = +10 Blessed R95 2 SA for PvE.
PvP-wise Kelbim or Tauti = +6 or +7 Dark weapon.
Yeah for PvP, they are decent.
However, here is something funny and I do this everyday...
LvL 100Yul(+12Bloody Bow) + LvL95 ISS(+7 apo Dual Sword! LOL)
K95 Duo = 23 minutes to clear
lol dude if youre going to compare # of toons with different items atleast take out the most variables as possbile, like only duoing with the iss and swtich to a kelbim bow in the yul doing a couple of runs with it and some other with the bloody and call it a day.
and even that, doing k95 runs doesn't show which weapon is better right away, your AP lists matter a lot and augments / SAs in the Bloody by a LOT more.
IMO kelbims are now in the past since this update you can add p.skill crit rate (10%) & p.skill crit damage (10%) to SAs in R99 bows, STR or P.attk + P. Skill crit rate in Augment (15%) That alone is 25% more chance to do a P.skill critical and damage of that critical will be 10% more (Having both correct SAs) than a kelbim (which applies to PVE and PVP)
Dark Ama stones are Over-priced nowadays, and you have to consider as well the amount you need to invest in making OE weapons + 2sa + making them bloody first(which you may fail) or you can go straight dark (which you may fail as well)... so right now Kelbim and tauti are better investment than dark weapons.
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top OE pve weapon is better than tauti in any case, but it will cost you a lot to get the same effect with the same buffs/debuffs and all other factors
so eather you die happy or you die trying
for the statistics 100 iss + support with tauti axe kills kartia faster than same chars with +11 1 sa r99 slasher
w/o bles valakas, crit dmg augument, lindvior i was hitting freely for 120-125k top crits (lol iss) with the tauti
for the same crits i would need more than +12 pve slasher
but everything is by depending the buffs/debuffs you have
/edit/ forgot to mention the 22 min fastest run i`ve did, and most of them (w/o stew, or no clan leader online, or no clan cloak) goes to up to 24
ALL STATS ARE FOR THE OLD KARTIA W/O THE BOOSTED HEALTH ON KALIOS
on the new stats almost 30 min :)
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Whisper my secretary Maestro in Chronos, "JahIthBer" and we can arrange for a meeting.
I must warn you...My Yul GS LvL 100 moves like a NinJa!
For the first 1 minute he is either invincible or cannot be clicked... after that he vanishes into the shadow using his Camouflage skill for another 1 minute(just to annoy my opponents and also BECAUSE I CAN! LOL)...then Boom! he reappears with Ultimate defense skill and start shooting his enemies while I eat my cupcakes. LOL! (Notice, I don't even need both hands to pawn my enemies)
top OE pve weapon is better than tauti in any case, but it will cost you a lot to get the same effect with the same buffs/debuffs and all other factors
so eather you die happy or you die trying
for the statistics 100 iss + support with tauti axe kills kartia faster than same chars with +11 1 sa r99 slasher
w/o bles valakas, crit dmg augument, lindvior i was hitting freely for 120-125k top crits (lol iss) with the tauti
for the same crits i would need more than +12 pve slasher
but everything is by depending the buffs/debuffs you have
/edit/ forgot to mention the 22 min fastest run i`ve did, and most of them (w/o stew, or no clan leader online, or no clan cloak) goes to up to 24
ALL STATS ARE FOR THE OLD KARTIA W/O THE BOOSTED HEALTH ON KALIOS
on the new stats almost 30 min :)
/edit 2/ and i`m not even warcryer or dancer :)
+12 Bloody bow, I've put the new SAs, +10% skill critical damage, +10% skill critical chance and also 10% skill crit chance & damage from 16 ability skill; Stacked with Wrath of Einhasad(elemental shirt) + Power of Abundance(abundance talisman) + BR = Kalios is down to 40% HP within 1 minute and this is the new Kalios too. (No rose or any other Nstore Buff stuff needed); and Yes, My LvL 100 yul has B.valakas, Lindvior, Earth Wyrm ring...etc.
I don't really think it is correct to "group" Tauti's and Kelbims together because of the types of classes they are meant for.
I can't speak to effectiveness of Kelbims: however, on a Tyrr, Tauti's are still pretty good. On my 101 LOLWarsmith my Tauti 2h was basically the same as my (old) +8 Bloody Slasher (PvE).
+12 Bloody bow, I've put the new SAs, +10% skill critical damage, +10% skill critical chance and also 10% skill crit chance & damage from 16 ability skill; Stacked with Wrath of Einhasad(elemental shirt) + Power of Abundance(abundance talisman) + BR = Kalios is down to 40% HP within 1 minute and this is the new Kalios too. (No rose or any other Nstore Buff stuff needed); and Yes, My LvL 100 yul has B.valakas, Lindvior, Earth Wyrm ring...etc.
tauti wep, r95 leather set +8, wyrm and octavis rings for crit dmg (no lindvior) , abundance, venir 14, 510 dark attack total
+12 str +6 cha, no clan cloak or castle or hero or subhero, no rose or other boosts exept +3 str stew, lvl 100
today i did kartia run, finished for 26 min, top crit on kalios 143k. if br would be 2x long probably i`d finish for 23 min
could be better or worse, depends of the buff landing, debuff and buff cancelings etc
I would generally agree with that based on P-Attack stats roughly, however I still give the edge slightly to the bloody weapon because of the new SA,s.
The +15% PvE damage makes up for the extra 150 attack element roughly, and with a decently stacked tyrr you should be close to 500 crit rate and 1500 attack speed anyways, completely negating 2 of the SA's of the Tauti blunt(s). However only being able to apply the mystic SA to the Tauti, while it helps still doesn't make up for the critical damage gained by the new SA's. I will give the Tauti this though, for a titan in PvE it is a nice replacement for a Bloody Retributer if you know what you are doing with either. Critical Damage > all
I don't know how all these stacked Yul/Tyrr take so long to do the new K95!
On 100 Wynn with inactive box ISS (not hitting, not even logged in for 90% of the round if she has pots), it takes me ~23 mins. +9 bloody retri, 30 day epic pack + lindi, BR in 2nd room, 1x BR on boss.
25 mins if I take the end boss to 5% hp on wynn, then bsoe, switch to healer and finish the boss as healer. :P
In regards to the bow I'm having a hard choice for my up and coming Yul. I've currently got a +8 blessed Apoc bow with +10% skill crit chance, +10% skill crit dmg and +10% p.crit rate aug, with normal buffs she's got constant 1500 atk speed, 500 crit rate.
Kelbim seems the best value for money, but gives only 15% pvp dmg, No skill power boost and no skill crit boost, no augments, no benefit from atk speed or reflect since most resist it. Even 2SA Ama bow is 10% pvp dmg and possible ~28% skill crit dmg boost/10% chance, 25% dmg with the right SAs/augs... That's a BIG diff in PvP and AOE PvE. Change that to Dark/Bloody too and it's a different ball game.
Also a normal bow can use another element from dark, which PvE and PvP people will have less resists to.
I make k95 duo with iss in 17-18 minutes.
Heck, i solo it on yul (without rebuffing sonata) in 23 minutes.
This with a kelbim bow.
My conclusion?
My kelbim is better than your 12+ pve, and my stun jewelry is better than your attack damage jewelry.
:o:D:confused:
Obviously i am being sarcastic, every person play differently and everyone have different level of skill.
For all we know, your iss is constantly hitting the raid, thus cancelling your bullseye faster etc, or you are using skills instead of normal hit during BR/Mindseye etc etc.
Of course everyone knows a 12+ pve bow is going to hit harder than a kelbim in PVE, same story for a pvp bow in pvp.
About your 10+ blessed R95 or R99 amaranthine, that is total BS.
What exactly do you base that on?
P. atk is probably less on those weapons than the kelbim, and kelbim have additional +15% critical damage on normal hit.
On PVE, 80% of the time normal hit is going to outdamage skills, so your fancy SAs or augments wont really help much.
I make k 95 duo (caus i dont have iss box) in 16 min with elegia set +shadow fighter non upgraded with my lv 100 eviscerator
Good for you.
Maybe you missed the part where this was a yul / tyrr thread? :D
BTW.
Less critical rate - higher DPS for eviscerator.
And you use shadow fighters and elegia that give a combined total of like +200 critical rate, maybe not the best idea :P
In regards to the bow I'm having a hard choice for my up and coming Yul. I've currently got a +8 blessed Apoc bow with +10% skill crit chance, +10% skill crit dmg and +10% p.crit rate aug, with normal buffs she's got constant 1500 atk speed, 500 crit rate.
Kelbim seems the best value for money, but gives only 15% pvp dmg, No skill power boost and no skill crit boost, no augments, no benefit from atk speed or reflect since most resist it. Even 2SA Ama bow is 10% pvp dmg and possible ~28% skill crit dmg boost/10% chance, 25% dmg with the right SAs/augs... That's a BIG diff in PvP and AOE PvE. Change that to Dark/Bloody too and it's a different ball game.
Also a normal bow can use another element from dark, which PvE and PvP people will have less resists to.
Finally someone who see things right and is not obsessed in having a Kelbim bow.
Also, dont forget that you can enchant skills with added crit rate (lvl 10 enchant is +10% added rate!) + arrows with added power too.
About your 10+ blessed R95 or R99 amaranthine, that is total BS.
What exactly do you base that on?
P. atk is probably less on those weapons than the kelbim, and kelbim have additional +15% critical damage on normal hit.
On PVE, 80% of the time normal hit is going to outdamage skills, so your fancy SAs or augments wont really help much.
So i am curious what you base that on :)
Where do you get that out of? I crit with skills in K99 up to 400k dmg (no p.skill crit dmg SA on my bow yet, +12 bloody) specially sirra seems to be the weakest against bow IMO, and there is no way I could do up to 400k crits with normal hits, I dont always crit for that much I recon, mostly good crits are 250k-290k, some lower too, but get up to 400k as I said.
Keeping that appart, P.skill crits are always harder than normal crits in any circumstance anyway, and Kelbim bow doesnt allow you to concentrate in a good skill path like Ferine states above and I also did in post #3.
Nowadays, even a highly geared archer will most likely loose to a lower geared archer if the 2nd one crits first, that is what the game has come now, who crits first lol.
Nowadays, even a highly geared archer will most likely loose to a lower geared archer if the 2nd one crits first, that is what the game has come now, who crits first lol.
400k?
Then im pretty sure you are 101+ with that skill enabled?
My point was about lv. 100 and just mindseye.
i.e when i got all my boosts on, i hit for 300-350k normal hits, if i get a skill critical i only hit for 200k or so max.
But either way.
Having 300k+ critical every second is better than having one 400k critical every 10 second or so.
And on other raids... for example tauti,
I hit 700k+ with normal hits, while i get 250k with a critical hit on my skills.
But who knows, this game is very odd..
I am sagittarius, so a ghost sentinel with skill power increase could be very very different, even though it shouldnt.
What about for those archers who kept the old rapid fire and quick recovery instead of minds eye and the other buff.... so they have permanent 1500 atk speed for skills, rather than 30s of reg crit power. :P
400k?
Then im pretty sure you are 101+ with that skill enabled?
My point was about lv. 100 and just mindseye.
i.e when i got all my boosts on, i hit for 300-350k normal hits, if i get a skill critical i only hit for 200k or so max.
But either way.
Having 300k+ critical every second is better than having one 400k critical every 10 second or so.
And on other raids... for example tauti,
I hit 700k+ with normal hits, while i get 250k with a critical hit on my skills.
But who knows, this game is very odd..
I am sagittarius, so a ghost sentinel with skill power increase could be very very different, even though it shouldnt.
no, I said up to 400k ive seen a couple of times, not constant, just making my point they´re skill crits not normal crits in my case.
400k?
Then im pretty sure you are 101+ with that skill enabled?
My point was about lv. 100 and just mindseye.
i.e when i got all my boosts on, i hit for 300-350k normal hits, if i get a skill critical i only hit for 200k or so max.
But either way.
Having 300k+ critical every second is better than having one 400k critical every 10 second or so.
And on other raids... for example tauti,
I hit 700k+ with normal hits, while i get 250k with a critical hit on my skills.
But who knows, this game is very odd..
I am sagittarius, so a ghost sentinel with skill power increase could be very very different, even though it shouldnt.
700k+ normal hit on tauti?? How did you do that.. how much p.atk you got btw.. coz last time i did tauti normal i only do 120k+normal.. well did 2.3m crit pinpoint on 3 successions...
I was just wondering how...
Btw my gear is +15 pvp bow 3sa and now pvp set +8... im ready to meet dreamseeker lol...
no, I said up to 400k ive seen a couple of times, not constant, just making my point they´re skill crits not normal crits in my case.
I understand - it sounded like you said using skills is better than using normal hits.
I just wanted to point out, landing a normal critical hit is 50% chance or higher, landing a skill critical is like 25-40% max (and way longer CD), thus giving normal hit higher DPS.
Normal hit is like 0.5 sec "cooldown", So lets say 1 critical per second.
Whilst skills have like 5 second cooldown, meaning around 1 skill critical per 10-15 seconds.
Sorry for any confusion :o
700k+ normal hit on tauti?? How did you do that.. how much p.atk you got btw.. coz last time i did tauti normal i only do 120k+normal.. well did 2.3m crit pinpoint on 3 successions...
I was just wondering how...
Btw my gear is +15 pvp bow 3sa and now pvp set +8... im ready to meet dreamseeker lol...
With normal hit, i meant "normal hit" critical.
i.e a standard attack
500 atk speed is 1 hit per second, 1500 is 3 hits per second
700k on tauti is easy even on 99 destro w/o maxed out ability points
the strange thing is that how an iss (tauti axe) can hit for 143k and archer only 400 or less :)
you`re doing smth wrong
Are you talking about DAMAGE PER SECOND or DAMAGE LANDED PER HIT coz im a stacked yul and a normal hit crit i can do is 76k. I mean i have a full dark set+8 on +15pvp bow insanity +7s lvl3 abundance full str with set up 141 str 81 dex.. i get so confused maybe im doing something wrong. Could someone enlighten me.. my ap on knight. Sa is leona kains lvl 8 so its p skill crit 15%/atk speed 7%+p.skill crit damage 7%.. augment p.skill crit 15%..
I am doing 56k crit per land on tauti yet on skill crit 3m sometimes highest ive seen is 5m.. well i did 200k on full pvp set tank on oly...
P.s. did tauti with 2 box + a friend with 1 box also. Total 5 man yet i did the highest normal crit is 76k.. wth is wrong with me...
Are you talking about DAMAGE PER SECOND or DAMAGE LANDED PER HIT coz im a stacked yul and a normal hit crit i can do is 76k. I mean i have a full dark set+8 on +15pvp bow insanity +7s lvl3 abundance full str with set up 141 str 81 dex.. i get so confused maybe im doing something wrong. Could someone enlighten me.. my ap on knight. Sa is leona kains lvl 8 so its p skill crit 15%/atk speed 7%+p.skill crit damage 7%.. augment p.skill crit 15%..
I am doing 56k crit per land on tauti yet on skill crit 3m sometimes highest ive seen is 5m.. well i did 200k on full pvp set tank on oly...
P.s. did tauti with 2 box + a friend with 1 box also. Total 5 man yet i did the highest normal crit is 76k.. wth is wrong with me...
That is very odd.
My P. Atk is around 38k when fully buffed, my AP and dualclass skills does not increase my P. atk or critical damage at all.
So, i got no idea why you hit so little :confused:
BTW my damage is without PoM and SOS.. i would assume i reach over 1 million with those two.
500 atk speed is 1 hit per second, 1500 is 3 hits per second
700k on tauti is easy even on 99 destro w/o maxed out ability points
the strange thing is that how an iss (tauti axe) can hit for 143k and archer only 400 or less :)
you`re doing smth wrong
Archers have a cooldown between hits - reloading arrows.
You do not shoot 3 arrows per second :D
143k is impressive on iss, but i would assume that is with SoS etc?
Are you talking about DAMAGE PER SECOND or DAMAGE LANDED PER HIT coz im a stacked yul and a normal hit crit i can do is 76k. I mean i have a full dark set+8 on +15pvp bow insanity +7s lvl3 abundance full str with set up 141 str 81 dex.. i get so confused maybe im doing something wrong. Could someone enlighten me.. my ap on knight. Sa is leona kains lvl 8 so its p skill crit 15%/atk speed 7%+p.skill crit damage 7%.. augment p.skill crit 15%..
I am doing 56k crit per land on tauti yet on skill crit 3m sometimes highest ive seen is 5m.. well i did 200k on full pvp set tank on oly...
P.s. did tauti with 2 box + a friend with 1 box also. Total 5 man yet i did the highest normal crit is 76k.. wth is wrong with me...
My Yul is only 94 and nowhere near your gear etc, but I'm seeing similar with skill damage and skill crit damage doing a lot more than regular crit. I do take wizards not warrior though and don't have Mind's Eye (full crit dmg epics).
Dude what you mean by SoS buff?? Kinda alien to me coz i just played for 1 year now...
And regarding my yul damage.. yeah i tested it without heiro 101 buff and counter instinct..
If i had i make/made the highest damage ive seen and im so happy that i came in my pants 12m on epic octavis. Just saw hp bar moved a lot of spaces... lol lmao rofl devil smile...
Pm me and enlighten me more as a fellow legolas fans...
@Ferine
Well wiz is good because of skill reuse but i dont see the difference with warrior. I always prefer warrior coz a yul crit damage multiplier esp. Skill crit multiplier will base on your sheet p.atk + added power atk of skill + skill power increase × crit modifiers if you crit... on oly i use warrior all the time and it is very useful though i dont play oly that much for the sole reason its past 3am if i play and i find it absurd.. well thats life.. i did 8 matches and got me 144 points all won...
Archers have a cooldown between hits - reloading arrows.
You do not shoot 3 arrows per second :D
143k is impressive on iss, but i would assume that is with SoS etc?
i have little above the average PVE player gear
i stacked my sub, dual and AP skills all for Patk, crit dmg and etc offensive stats
cl on, turtle, stew - always on
situational - sos, br, abundance 1
about the archers - probably they have lower hit rate but it should be more than 2 arrows/sec
Are you talking about DAMAGE PER SECOND or DAMAGE LANDED PER HIT coz im a stacked yul and a normal hit crit i can do is 76k. I mean i have a full dark set+8 on +15pvp bow insanity +7s lvl3 abundance full str with set up 141 str 81 dex.. i get so confused maybe im doing something wrong. Could someone enlighten me.. my ap on knight. Sa is leona kains lvl 8 so its p skill crit 15%/atk speed 7%+p.skill crit damage 7%.. augment p.skill crit 15%..
I am doing 56k crit per land on tauti yet on skill crit 3m sometimes highest ive seen is 5m.. well i did 200k on full pvp set tank on oly...
P.s. did tauti with 2 box + a friend with 1 box also. Total 5 man yet i did the highest normal crit is 76k.. wth is wrong with me...
my cp archer was hitting tauti for 500k before 1 year+ with much weaker gear than yours
Well wiz is good because of skill reuse but i dont see the difference with warrior. I always prefer warrior coz a yul crit damage multiplier esp. Skill crit multiplier will base on your sheet p.atk + added power atk of skill + skill power increase × crit modifiers if you crit... on oly i use warrior all the time and it is very useful though i dont play oly that much for the sole reason its past 3am if i play and i find it absurd.. well thats life.. i did 8 matches and got me 144 points all won...
20% skill re-use is quite a lot, I notice it. I haven't looked into how much p.atk affects skills, it used to have barely any effect, but they did change that and I haven't tested since. What you say makes sense though, if p.atk does affect it then the extra 28% p.atk from warrior would be good.
i have little above the average PVE player gear
i stacked my sub, dual and AP skills all for Patk, crit dmg and etc offensive stats
cl on, turtle, stew - always on
situational - sos, br, abundance 1
about the archers - probably they have lower hit rate but it should be more than 2 arrows/sec
2 to be exact on capped atk spd.. 0.38 to 0.44 i test per arrow release/hit landed.. so in conclusion its 2/sec which is absurd.. the atk spd just increase the arrow reloading to shot unlike melee who can do around 8 or more esp a dualdagger..
20% skill re-use is quite a lot, I notice it. I haven't looked into how much p.atk affects skills, it used to have barely any effect, but they did change that and I haven't tested since. What you say makes sense though, if p.atk does affect it then the extra 28% p.atk from warrior would be good.
I don't remember when last time I used warrior in olympiad. Prolly never.
Dude what you mean by SoS buff?? Kinda alien to me coz i just played for 1 year now...
And regarding my yul damage.. yeah i tested it without heiro 101 buff and counter instinct..
If i had i make/made the highest damage ive seen and im so happy that i came in my pants 12m on epic octavis. Just saw hp bar moved a lot of spaces... lol lmao rofl devil smile...
Pm me and enlighten me more as a fellow legolas fans...
SoS - Spirit of shilen, an old buff from 3rd class tank, stack with all current buffs.
"Receives the will of Shilen to drastically increase the fighting ability of party member. For 1 min., P. Atk. + 30%, Speed + 3, Atk. Spd. + 30%, M. Atk. + 30%, Critical Rate when a sword is equipped + 100, and Critical Damage when a blunt weapon is equipped + 100%. Has a chance to recover 40% of the damage inflicted on the enemy as HP. received HP Recovery - 80%. "
BTW Notice the +100% critical damage with blunt equipped?
Thats why tyrr hit so hard with tauti etc.
i have little above the average PVE player gear
i stacked my sub, dual and AP skills all for Patk, crit dmg and etc offensive stats
cl on, turtle, stew - always on
situational - sos, br, abundance 1
about the archers - probably they have lower hit rate but it should be more than 2 arrows/sec
Not bad at all :D
I think its around 2.3 arrows per second, so it is around 2.
20% skill re-use is quite a lot, I notice it. I haven't looked into how much p.atk affects skills, it used to have barely any effect, but they did change that and I haven't tested since. What you say makes sense though, if p.atk does affect it then the extra 28% p.atk from warrior would be good.
I just checked this a couple of hours ago.
With 19300~ P. Atk..
Did 50k normal hits.
With skills I did 72k
----
After boosting P. Atk by around 10000 (28800~)
Did 77k damage with normal hits.
With skills I did ~87k.
aka a 10000 P. atk boost (total of 50% P. atk) gave me..
20% higher damage on skills
50% higher damage on normal hits.
I don't remember when last time I used warrior in olympiad. Prolly never.
Cause you're a tyrr? :D
Didnt quite get it. Isnt it supposed to be more crit rate - more crit chance, therefore more dps?
Your passive skill (and steel mind, active skill) gives you a chance to increase your damage on standard normal hits, not critical hits.
So the higher critical rate you have, means you have less chance to trigger your skill.
Normal hit - 1x damage
Critical hit - 2x damage
Normal hit 'passive skill trigger' - 5x damage
Normal hit 'passive skill trigger + steel mind' 10x damage.
I had around 30% higher DPS on my evisc. when I dropped critical rate by ~120, just checking at the WH NPC though so that number may be off a bit.
If you take a look at your damage, you will see your highest damage is not critical hit - it is standard hits.
Can i still acquire this spirit of shilen buff??..
Really interested with this buff..
Would be a great additional to my firepower... :D:D:D
102/100? 1 year playing? (rmt char?)lot of newbie questions with endgame gear? and u dont know the existence of sos buff? omagad :eek: rmt/pay to win more noob...
Your passive skill (and steel mind, active skill) gives you a chance to increase your damage on standard normal hits, not critical hits.
So the higher critical rate you have, means you have less chance to trigger your skill.
Normal hit - 1x damage
Critical hit - 2x damage
Normal hit 'passive skill trigger' - 5x damage
Normal hit 'passive skill trigger + steel mind' 10x damage.
I had around 30% higher DPS on my evisc. when I dropped critical rate by ~120, just checking at the WH NPC though so that number may be off a bit.
If you take a look at your damage, you will see your highest damage is not critical hit - it is standard hits.
You are a bit wrong here, is x 25, x5 from pasive (when activate ofc) x5 during steel = x25
Can i still acquire this spirit of shilen buff??..
Really interested with this buff..
Would be a great additional to my firepower... :D:D:D
Yep.
Just level the correct tank to the right level, i think 83+.
If you do not awaken, you can continue leveling and stay 3rd class (and keep the skill), that way you can enter epics, dragons etc with the buff.
You are a bit wrong here, is x 25, x5 from pasive (when activate ofc) x5 during steel = x25
Interesting.. will have to check my ertheia later.
Just assumed it was 10x, never actually checked it, but 25x makes alot of sense considering the damage evisc. are doing.
Good for you.
Maybe you missed the part where this was a yul / tyrr thread? :D
BTW.
Less critical rate - higher DPS for eviscerator.
And you use shadow fighters and elegia that give a combined total of like +200 critical rate, maybe not the best idea :P
infact, no one mentioned shadow weapons in the thread title lol !
Yep.
Just level the correct tank to the right level, i think 83+.
If you do not awaken, you can continue leveling and stay 3rd class (and keep the skill), that way you can enter epics, dragons etc with the buff.
Interesting.. will have to check my ertheia later.
Just assumed it was 10x, never actually checked it, but 25x makes alot of sense considering the damage evisc. are doing.
example: 1000 damage normal shot x5 steel on 5.000 + triger skill x5= 25.000, it is more coz steel mind lv2 increse 30% patack to lv99.
I asked sos coz i didnt know it.. it doesnt mean i rmt my char or bot..
Read earlier post... just 1 year.. JUST ONE YEAR... so to make story short im quite a noob with deep pocket who purchase lots from l2store and use it for pixel entertainment.. i got 102 gs/101 wynn on shilen.. this char iss heiro on chronos of which i would stay hidden..
I played back at open beta and just returned last year upon seeing a link in youtube regarding l2 being f2p and those awakening feature..
And also i just showed in other post how did i achieve my level. It doesnt mwan that im 102 i should know all as it to me i just play...
Anyways why should i bother explaining myself to a close mind stereotyping dude... well im highly educated man. Graduated at harvard in medicine as suma *** laude and now specializing rather an intern to be a cardiac surgeon. Maybe i need to point to you out my side.. ok move on and ignore
I asked sos coz i didnt know it.. it doesnt mean i rmt my char or bot..
Read earlier post... just 1 year.. JUST ONE YEAR... so to make story short im quite a noob with deep pocket who purchase lots from l2store and use it for pixel entertainment.. i got 102 gs/101 wynn on shilen.. this char iss heiro on chronos of which i would stay hidden..
I played back at open beta and just returned last year upon seeing a link in youtube regarding l2 being f2p and those awakening feature..
And also i just showed in other post how did i achieve my level. It doesnt mwan that im 102 i should know all as it to me i just play...
Anyways why should i bother explaining myself to a close mind stereotyping dude... well im highly educated man. Graduated at harvard in medicine as suma *** laude and now specializing rather an intern to be a cardiac surgeon. Maybe i need to point to you out my side.. ok move on and ignore
http://imgur.com/a/fvWv2
i was doing this 2 month ago, i was scamed but working in better weapon.
time was 10minutes with Iss enchanter soloing k95.(just the kalios) so add 15 base+10= 25minutes total.
Tank in my CP does kamaloka solo in 27minutes, and Muru is doing in around 30minutes as Iss enchanter. The "idea" of the pve build is the same but with big diferences in gear.
Some ertheias does duo also but is not big thing for eviscerator.
Sadly i cant share screenshots of the raids my CP does or they kill me, same thing, raids die in 30-120seconds. We take more time tomove to the rb than kill xd.
Dark Ama stones are Over-priced nowadays, and you have to consider as well the amount you need to invest in making OE weapons + 2sa + making them bloody first(which you may fail) or you can go straight dark (which you may fail as well)... so right now Kelbim and tauti are better investment than dark weapons.
Since Daily coins are up , you can also try with 58% chance scroll first
http://imgur.com/a/fvWv2
i was doing this 2 month ago, i was scamed but working in better weapon.
time was 10minutes with Iss enchanter soloing k95.(just the kalios) so add 15 base+10= 25minutes total.
Tank in my CP does kamaloka solo in 27minutes, and Muru is doing in around 30minutes as Iss enchanter. The "idea" of the pve build is the same but with big diferences in gear.
Some ertheias does duo also but is not big thing for eviscerator.
Sadly i cant share screenshots of the raids my CP does or they kill me, same thing, raids die in 30-120seconds. We take more time tomove to the rb than kill xd.
cat buff sos etc its not rocket science old buffs are better then iss ones.
there ur cp can kill me.
Your passive skill (and steel mind, active skill) gives you a chance to increase your damage on standard normal hits, not critical hits.
So the higher critical rate you have, means you have less chance to trigger your skill.
Normal hit - 1x damage
Critical hit - 2x damage
Normal hit 'passive skill trigger' - 5x damage
Normal hit 'passive skill trigger + steel mind' 10x damage.
I had around 30% higher DPS on my evisc. when I dropped critical rate by ~120, just checking at the WH NPC though so that number may be off a bit.
If you take a look at your damage, you will see your highest damage is not critical hit - it is standard hits.
Is this still relevant after the update where Passive trigger nerf to like .01% rate? I only have a nub 96 Evis but I have it decked out in Elegia Light and it seems to be doing okay. I wish the Damage NPCS where still in the WH in Aden so I could test this better.