[Poll]How much do you enjoy leveling sub class

This will be something like feedback/pool/discussion thread.

I have stated many times that im feeling subclass exping to be way too slow and way too boring, its way better if you are huge cash user and can afford to buy a lot of runes, also c-s grade gear and c-s grade shots are in cn shop and they are actually cheap 1nc coin.

As i started to level up sub on my dualbox iss i will be posting how it goes after each level, how many people have i met online, what problems have i faced and so on.

40-52 54 min/solo/boring
Ok lets start. Made sub on iss, dark avenger, and got him c grade set from nc store, a lot of c shots, c pole with sa +4, he had full vit and exp rune 100% 1-85, just cos they implemented these level rewards after i had already made him 85 so he had never used them.

It took me 54 min to get first 12 levels, it drained most of my vit. Ofc i could not shout for a party cos players below 84 cannot use that function, ofc there were no one in party matching to party with, what a surprise^^ Note that im leveling with pole, gathering all mobs from one room and killing them aoe, it would take twice as much time to do this one by 1

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52-61 3-4 hours, solo- boring, party - fun

Ok so 52+ with fresh B grade started up pretty smooth, boring tho cos exp was slow in forsaken plains. Did not felt too lonely cos there were few orc bots and even 2 live players i managed to party with and talk some ^^
After that someone invited uz to rb party and levels went pretty fun, few first raids that is. after just got used to it again. With no vitality and just exp rune x100 felt every mob ******** in my mouth with that garbage exp :D Toi used to be good place to exp, now seems nerfed to the bone, stuns, bleeds , low exp, did not see anyone there. Tho its fair to add that some players told me they like exping subs cos it gives them chance to kill raids,so some positive feedback there

If you manage to get party for raids exp is not that bad, if you have to grind mobs 1by1 its terrible.
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61-64, mostly solo, kamaloka, no one wants to grind in party

So exp had dropped rly hard on on open world grind, wall or Argos with 100% exp rune gave me 150-210k, well if some vitality herbs would drop it would be ok (with rune), valley of saints -26k exp :D even for mages who one shot them its too low. Kamaloka at this lvl is waste of time. Tho this time i did see 2 more players doing kamaloka quest in toi, and that's a positive thing. One more in woa i did see only 2 dead bots and 1 running bot, im sure it was bot and even badly configured one cos it had jammed sometimes when could not pick up adena :D still that's a huge improvement cos some time ago woa was literally full of bots mostly dark summon ones.

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I think some of these add to my point that boosting party exp would benefit open world grind and in any party exp should be more than solo:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3510994#post3510994

64+68 swamp of screams, no one will party, 2 different games
Well i got to 68, gz me ^^ Must say swamp is one of rare places that i rly like, mobs dont stun there so on every fighter class you can grab pole and make mob trains, works great. Bleed ofc bites a little but its ok. Also quests there gave me some buff 100% exp, awesome ^^ But 67 and 80% i just felt like changing games, every exp boost i had ended, there are no runes any more, no clan buff, no vitality, no nothing and its so ***** slow,Imake train of few packs and don't even get 1% come on...and that's on 67 lvl are you kidding me. As im saying there is like 2 different games Lineage 2 with decent exp and Lineage 2 with garbage exp, completely different emotions while grinding -_-

Shots:
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Well is as far as i can go with grinding, if im lucky i will do some raids if they are alive , if not *** it, its too slow, wasted nc on S grade reward pack :/


Conclusion so far
Exping solo is slow, boring and getting party is a problem. If you get party tho it gets faster and sometimes little more challenging. New players may wonder why almost all self buffs are not working cos newbie buff is way stronger that may lead to idea of bugged game or something. Kamalokas are not rewarding enough. Party exp loss is reason why many players refuse to party up. When you level up main you at least have some quests and exp runes in lvl up rewards,tho instead of 100% rune they should give 200% rly guys its ***** slow.. and vitality herbs need to drop way way way more often in 1-85 zones


P.S

Note* I did not find where to buy c cry for my panther, had to buy c gear and break with main.

Note * You need to also consider that the fact im writing this feedback is way more interesting for me that this sub leveling itself, i need that tank sub cos it will be fun to tank in 85+ on raids but i rly hate to do this sub leveling -_-.

Update* After reaching 92LvL on main wynn, 89 on aeore sub i decided to quit, its still way too slow for me, there is way too little fun and rewarding things to do and rather find some game where fun starts right after you log in rather than after 2 years grind :D Last nail in coffin was exping sub tank on my dualbox iss, got to 68 lvl and that was it, it's just killing my brain cells how slow progression is even cashing in 25 euros on prestige and, mount and shots. Its just not worth it FOR ME, im not grinding any more.

Sorry to say it to you, but it's boring 'cuz you've doing it wrong, dear. Really, polearm? and in that last photo, it's that a cabrio's hand - a mage weapon?

Since you r tank and thus, have no passives for polearm play, you can take how many mobs you want, you just wont be hitting all them for once, like a titan, dwarf or warlord can. So by doing that, you r cutting down your killing speed efficiency by a great margin.

Whenever you go grind by yourself, turn on into Vanguard mode and grab a dualsword, so you can use those duelist-like skills and guess what, can do efficient aoe plus overhitting for more xp.

40-52 can be done pretty fast in cruma, floor 1 and 2; then move to ToI 1 till 56-58, and if you have rune/vit, then move to forsaken. So basically, if you have vit/rune, stay into the new upgraded quest grounds (kekropus's route), if not, then move to ToI according to your level range: 58-64 floor 2, 65-69 floor 3 and so on. No panther, no pole and for god's sake, no mage weapon either. Just a sword, a shield for real tank play (whenever you get into a raid party) or duals for Vanguarda playstyle.

Instead of stating how boring each aspect of the game actually is, you'd be better calling for help and asking yourself "what am I doing wrong here, so I got so bored to death?".

Sorry to say it to you, but it's boring 'cuz you've doing it wrong, dear. Really, polearm? and in that last photo, it's that a cabrio's hand - a mage weapon?

Since you r tank and thus, have no passives for polearm play, you can take how many mobs you want, you just wont be hitting all them for once, like a titan, dwarf or warlord can. So by doing that, you r cutting down your killing speed efficiency by a great margin.

Whenever you go grind by yourself, turn on into Vanguard mode and grab a dualsword, so you can use those duelist-like skills and guess what, can do efficient aoe plus overhitting for more xp.

40-52 can be done pretty fast in cruma, floor 1 and 2; then move to ToI 1 till 56-58, and if you have rune/vit, then move to forsaken. So basically, if you have vit/rune, stay into the new upgraded quest grounds (kekropus's route), if not, then move to ToI according to your level range: 58-64 floor 2, 65-69 floor 3 and so on. No panther, no pole and for god's sake, no mage weapon either. Just a sword, a shield for real tank play (whenever you get into a raid party) or duals for Vanguarda playstyle.

Instead of stating how boring each aspect of the game actually is, you'd be better calling for help and asking yourself "what am I doing wrong here, so I got so bored to death?".

Actually i still hit 3 at a time and that way its faster than 1by1 cos i do not need to run after them they are just standing next to me and when one dies other take its place
And its barakiels axe of fortune +4
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=15044

I will look in to vanguard stance and these aoe skills you talk about still as i remember skills do not process vampiric rage and i will not be getting hp back and that's a problems when you are hit by 20 mobs :D

Toi is total garbage + mobs stun there so i have to kill them one by one, as you see in one of sshots i was there, exp is lower than in swamp

And i did raid play while there was such an option

My main is summoner so I know how effective are good buffed pets, so have no reason at all to not using it.

Ty for input man but if mob gives me 0,1 exp only thing im not doing right is not cashing in for exp runes and i just will not accept that, btw plz participate in poll, i expect high rates for exping from you ^^

One of my main's subclass is tank (shillien knight) and I was just running with BW heavy set (that I bought) and steel door swords/duals. Yet I was killing more faster, because why should you run after mob if you can insta agro them to your place? Remember you r playing tank, an agro master. And iirc, cruma's mobs r almost all social or agressive, same for ToI ones. So even if they stand peacefully, they will agro on you if you start hitting some by.

Just to enlight you, skills do give hp back from VR effect, otherwise, how would be feohs doing then when mass aoe? Do you even aoe with your ranged pets once in a year?

Again, if you cant overhit nor have vit/rune - please, take attention to this bolded part -, ToI is the best place for every kind of melee attacker, or even archers. Small rooms, packed agro mobs, nice xp/sp reward - not counting the part of botfree spot. And to be clear, I'm not talking this out of thick air, since I DO actually level any sub/alt there when it comes to my need.

Tbh, your panther is just leeching the sp and money to buy crystals. I dont doubt you r a wynn on main, and I hope you didnt want to mean you r a summoner while playing HK. You just have a summon, a useless summon - that's it.

And no, thx but I aint no voting for a poll that I think is more likely to find ppl that fits to your (again) lazy and refusing of improvement way of playstyle, rather that actually trying to gather ideas to change the system.

Yet you said somewhere else that you r kinda of an old player, what makes me trully wonder how blue you were when we could get buffs only till 74 or so, and mobs were giving back in the GoD start 1/10 of what they r giving now, or to be more precise, 1/10 of these .01 you r hating too much.


Like I said in previous post, it doesnt hurt when someone need help at something, but to be effective, that person MUST to actually call for it and think about it. You r not seeking help, thus why you dont accept when ppl push you outside that adorable kartia instance to actually xp.

One of my main's subclass is tank (shillien knight) and I was just running with BW heavy set (that I bought) and steel door swords/duals. Yet I was killing more faster, because why should you run after mob if you can insta agro them to your place? Remember you r playing tank, an agro master. And iirc, cruma's mobs r almost all social or agressive, same for ToI ones. So even if they stand peacefully, they will agro on you if you start hitting some by.


i did exp in cruma to lvl 52 you would notice that if you read my post, and if you are standing in a middle of a room in toi you are still hitting 1b1 wih your basic attack and that is not aoe farm, if you gather all room in corner you will just be stunned and die, at least if you do not have iss in dualbox and full buff, resists

And i am old player, this is my old acc http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=224581 i played in god, I did not played too much it was way too slow and boring + after my tyrrs Raging Force was replaced with that garbage new skill that has cooldown 1 sec i just could not bear to play it, tried tank on sub it was better but after 85 still progression was too slow for me to keep being motivated, so only reason im here not is exp in instances, already then i did pointed out of game being too slow, even then i told that there will be not much of a new players with this progression rate, and guess what , log in and open party matching now - i was ***** right!!!
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=234035

also as i now look my old posts, i did suggested to make more daily quests http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=226844 and just like now there were people who Do you know what game your playing... haha this will never happen... you might as well just quit now and stop wasting your time then...

guess what, it did happen, in your face buddy

Ok, I got it. Why have I to hit 1 by 1 as a melee char if I can grab a pole and multi hit, even if 3 max? Lets play dagger with pole, archer with pole, summoner with pole and even wizards with polearms!!

You die in ToI bcuz you r not supposed to play with a polearm on, do u get that?

No, you dont get it, simple 'cuz you dont know how to play a simple character, or maximize xp gain and make it more efficient. And on top of that, you just simple refuse any advise, you dont even try any other route/way to do. You just say no bcuz you r doing it right.

But lemme tell you something: you aint doing it right, bcuz you r the only one playing tank with polearm and ranting on low xp gain/level progress below 85; or asking for more daily quests and instances to cover up your lack of knowledge on basic game progression.

You'd be better off with a RB transform scroll rather than that awful polearm, mimmicking something you r clearly not - a real multitask dd. But ofc, it's always up to you: your gameplay, your business. I just hope ppl out there has the common sense to separate what's logical from what is pure nonsense/misinformation from your suggestions/polls/posts.

When I started play on official servers 3-4 years ago I liked to leveling my sub classes. Actually, i made 85/85/80/80 and then I started to raise my main. I will never do it again because is really boring. Yes, for the first time it was fun, but when I tried to do it to my second character I get bored. Maybe if the level cup of sub classes unlock from 80 to 99 it would be more interesting. Also it's a solution to raise some support classes like healers and tanks that they are only few people who play these classes.

Ok, I got it. Why have I to hit 1 by 1 as a melee char if I can grab a pole and multi hit, even if 3 max? Lets play dagger with pole, archer with pole, summoner with pole and even wizards with polearms!!


Actually if you mention it i have played with dagger/tyrant and pole at fog lvl 2, there you can gather 3 huge rooms of mobs. I started to abuse pole when i was playing on my tyrant long ago here on official, grab tyrr, push rabbit, gather 3 rooms or fog 3 mobs with raging force (omg how i miss that skill), take pole and kill them with zealot+ogre. And tyrant did not have any pole mastery until he becomes awakened, so ya if you are full buffed and have good gear you can use pole on any fighter fighter just not all of them can take damage or pull trains. On dagger its harder you can be there with pole to assist as a second damage dealer, your attack speed is good, your crit is good but you cant take damage and melt as paper except if you are few lvl above mobs and your evasion does the trick. In acy case its faster and more money efficient then killing mobs 1by1 (if you are not using bot that it) I will test using duals on my tank and vanguard but just cos he has only 1 aoe skill with 11sec cd i doubt that it will be as effective as pole. Will see.

About panther being useless on dark avenger its just blasphemy, its rly cool skill and made DA unique and fun to play, good damage, not gear dependent and cheap using it on aoe was just a a habit i guess.

Update* I did tested duals and aoe skill, works great in swamp and yes its actually better than pole you were right, even with long cd aoe does alot of damage and herbs get my mp back, in Toi still pole is better, life leach from skills is not so regular as from pole damaging many mobs at once.

Most importantly that no matter what skills or gear you use for aoe exp is still pure garbage, its slow and boring. And we are talking here about aoe farm, imagine how people who kill 1by1 feel.

Take your level Awakened gear and run around killing raid bosses until you're 72. The go to Dragon Valley for an hour and ding, you're 80 in no time.


What I want to them to do is increase subclass level to 85 at least. Heck, make it 90. I love playing my other characters, but it would be less pricey if I only had 1 character who could play 4 different Awakened classes.