L2 used to be amazing, there was constantly things to do and things to aim for, reasons to level up and reasons to gear up.
Now it all just feels hollow and pointless and this is a serious issue.
1) Primary goal of L2 used to be PvP.... now PvP is completely dead. Bots/Scripts take advantage of all the reasonably recently introduced bugs such as buff delay etc, clan assist dominated in sieges.
2) No one field XPs, so there's no open field pvp. People simply don't want to waste expensive runes/xp pots/buffs when they could get ganked and lose them.
3) Gear difference kills pvp even more.
4) Events and bad have completely ruined the economy, so there's very little economy left to play and what there is is extremely risky.
5) With the pure cost of gearing a toon now (200b+ for 'ok' gear) and so much chance stuff costing 1-20b a click, any pitiful amount you can farm seems pointless.
6) There's nothing left in the game for players to achieve by farming things. Raids are dead on spawn to bots, general items and mats have a stupidly low drop rate and in general aren't worth much compared to what a player needs.
7) Gameplay is crazily unbalanced, only a few classes are decent for PvE or PvP, a few classes simply outshine all the rest (and there's only 9 classes!).
So basically I've hit 101 on 3 toons, have decent gear on all and just want to address the issue that the game now feels completely hollow and pointless. Every day is just log in and do instances, never make adena hunting, nothing interesting or worthwhile to farm, no point in aiming for pvp when there's only parnassus and scripts are simply too strong.
I wouldn't mind hitting 103, but there's absolutely no endgame result for that, nothing to achieve. The only thing left that could make pvp/goals interesting again is starting scripting like everyone else, however I don't want to do that.
Game was modified to force using shop in a very bad way.
Everything is too expensive. Nobody even risks any PK cause PK system has been carebearized. Thats equal less PVP, less interaction.
Nobody xp anymore cause they boost instance and let open field suck. Its all about carebearing for 2 weeks and ranger fest at sieges. Thats equal less interaction.
Best spots have God like mobs that you need full oed bloody gear + all other expensive shenanigans to be able to xp successfully.
Store only events. Until this last santa event we have been on running store events 100% of the time for more then 6 months. That means less interaction cause nobody need to hunt for event items, just open wallet.
Instanced epics.
Instanced like entance requirements even for non instance raids. Making carebears that avoid pvp at all costs unite and get to the most important raids with 0 effort.
Cheaters, cheaters everywhere.
Ranger fest every siege, with cheaters posting their cheating videos on screenshot/videos subforum and nothing happens.
Cause NC is stupid enought to prefer get high amounts from few then smaller amounts from tons.
L2 used to be amazing, there was constantly things to do and things to aim for, reasons to level up and reasons to gear up.
Now it all just feels hollow and pointless and this is a serious issue.
1) Primary goal of L2 used to be PvP.... now PvP is completely dead. Bots/Scripts take advantage of all the reasonably recently introduced bugs such as buff delay etc, clan assist dominated in sieges.
2) No one field XPs, so there's no open field pvp. People simply don't want to waste expensive runes/xp pots/buffs when they could get ganked and lose them.
3) Gear difference kills pvp even more.
4) Events and bad have completely ruined the economy, so there's very little economy left to play and what there is is extremely risky.
5) With the pure cost of gearing a toon now (200b+ for 'ok' gear) and so much chance stuff costing 1-20b a click, any pitiful amount you can farm seems pointless.
6) There's nothing left in the game for players to achieve by farming things. Raids are dead on spawn to bots, general items and mats have a stupidly low drop rate and in general aren't worth much compared to what a player needs.
7) Gameplay is crazily unbalanced, only a few classes are decent for PvE or PvP, a few classes simply outshine all the rest (and there's only 9 classes!).
So basically I've hit 101 on 3 toons, have decent gear on all and just want to address the issue that the game now feels completely hollow and pointless. Every day is just log in and do instances, never make adena hunting, nothing interesting or worthwhile to farm, no point in aiming for pvp when there's only parnassus and scripts are simply too strong.
I wouldn't mind hitting 103, but there's absolutely no endgame result for that, nothing to achieve. The only thing left that could make pvp/goals interesting again is starting scripting like everyone else, however I don't want to do that.
The primary goal of L2 use to be GROUP XP with PVP. The game had PVP to fight for epic bosses and top hunting spots WITHOUT WARS. Where people actually you know PVPed not sit in parn with perfect parties to be port warriors.
The main issue now is that you can't pvp anymore, someone runs in with full dark gear vs people running bloody, you won't do any damage. There is no balance like the old days, there is just more cheaters that think their OMGZ god mode.
When you have people "targeting" when someone stands up and they cast noble or auto target without the ned to know who you are targeting or trying to click on. On top of ALL of that, you need Rose+valiant to even stand a half-way chance in PVP, the CC warriors continue (yes ofc you can buy with adena but that isn't the point).
The game is so linear its a complete joke. You can't farm dark stones by normal means, due to the fact you have to fight others with full dark gear already that are RMTing the dark stones. Farming bloody stones is also near impossible unless you just mass level 99s and kill krogel / perfect for the quest. They just keep milking the system for OE gear (now +9+10 s h i t) instead of balancing the game adding more options to obtain end game gear.
To add to this, Dragons, should be instances based now or at very least, spawn every Saturday (7 day timer). They should be giving a quest that everyone could farm dark / bloody stones or even start obtaining actual dragon weapons within the game. There should be more than 1 set of ARMOR for r99 so that players can change up how they wish to play like before. Epics should be dropping more crafting packs to help gear a clan...instead we get BWER or BEAR, stupid joke.
For the AOE outside of "Instances" people are not smart when it comes to this. For instance: 7 man party, each buying 1 cake per day, farming 3-4 hours a day with clan buff (35% and pve damage) + mentee+exalted = 250 % xp boost for super cheap. You will make faster xp doing this than running instances (unless ofc you duo kama and solo k95 group).
Lineage 2 endgame:
farm adena
openly use ***** b/c "NCSOFT"
buy sell to scrubs that don't understand the game
Shout to people to war and sit in parn to kill people on port, b/c "new lineage"
This whole "legal" action against people that built the bots are fine, but they sit and do nothing to assist us now.
Solution?
A. Time to move on.
B. Farm with friends, build up dark gear by buying it from "transfers" or "farmers" on the server, then go to parn and kill anyone that flags.
L2 used to be amazing, there was constantly things to do and things to aim for, reasons to level up and reasons to gear up.
Now it all just feels hollow and pointless and this is a serious issue.
1) Primary goal of L2 used to be PvP.... now PvP is completely dead. Bots/Scripts take advantage of all the reasonably recently introduced bugs such as buff delay etc, clan assist dominated in sieges.
2) No one field XPs, so there's no open field pvp. People simply don't want to waste expensive runes/xp pots/buffs when they could get ganked and lose them.
3) Gear difference kills pvp even more.
4) Events and bad have completely ruined the economy, so there's very little economy left to play and what there is is extremely risky.
5) With the pure cost of gearing a toon now (200b+ for 'ok' gear) and so much chance stuff costing 1-20b a click, any pitiful amount you can farm seems pointless.
6) There's nothing left in the game for players to achieve by farming things. Raids are dead on spawn to bots, general items and mats have a stupidly low drop rate and in general aren't worth much compared to what a player needs.
7) Gameplay is crazily unbalanced, only a few classes are decent for PvE or PvP, a few classes simply outshine all the rest (and there's only 9 classes!).
So basically I've hit 101 on 3 toons, have decent gear on all and just want to address the issue that the game now feels completely hollow and pointless. Every day is just log in and do instances, never make adena hunting, nothing interesting or worthwhile to farm, no point in aiming for pvp when there's only parnassus and scripts are simply too strong.
I wouldn't mind hitting 103, but there's absolutely no endgame result for that, nothing to achieve. The only thing left that could make pvp/goals interesting again is starting scripting like everyone else, however I don't want to do that.
one of the few reasons i got bored too dead in this game ;)..
everything has been instanced, open field xp like u said doesnt exist cus theres nothing to gain in open field.. top of that everything is automated 1 year ago already so it wont change a thing.
game is just a milk cow for ncwest atm its quite obvious they dont give a rats *** anymore about this game when was last mass ban? where obvious program users got banned? last time i remember was like 2 years ago and few weeks later every1 got unbanned cus of using excuses like im using battleping/wtfast.. kinda weird huh i was using it also didnt get banned..
but w/e as i said, game is a milk cow its just running on its last fuel i guess.
forgot to mention half **** ingame has to be done with stuff from l2store also, ye u can do it without and u struggle like a idiot. pop a rose buff or whatever and u **** tru stuff like its easy..
It's kind of like real life, the top 1% have a lot more goodies than the middle and lower class. And once the gap in wealth reaches a certain level, it's hard to close the gap.
This topic is describing exactly why I've stopped playing last 2 months. With all the incompetent management, pay2win events all the time, total unbalance and general no sense in the game lead me to where I'm now.Actually it's not just me, most people that didn't pay all their gear/xp have already quit.
There is no real going back, the game is old and the final nails have already been put in the coffin, it's not doomsday, but very slow and painful ending.
L2 used to be amazing, there was constantly things to do and things to aim for, reasons to level up and reasons to gear up.
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it all depends on why you play L2 and with whom.. I still manage to play and find things worthy to do like helping friends XP/get Dim raids etc. even though you could argue I already achieved everything in L2.. gear wise / level wise (103+ on a tank) / pvp wise etc. there are still things I like to do and care enough about to login every day ;)
long story short you still haven't achieved everything yet (DW Raid boss!!) and you unlike many others actually know some of what is going to come in the next 2 future updates and how it will change/improve the game so relax and focus more on the ppl ingame and less about personal frustration points on game mechanics etc as news flash L2 was never ever a "fair" or "balanced" game..
@Juji, it's time to pre announce what the players can expect in the next update and which cut off will be used compared to the latest Korean releases - thx!
To me every months i find new reason to play and now im close to 11 years.
Mine top reason is play with friends who know how to play this game (like you ferine ;) ) and avoid noobs.
Second reason this hobby make me happy all time i play so why i need to quit or change game ?
L2 used to be amazing, there was constantly things to do and things to aim for, reasons to level up and reasons to gear up.
Now it all just feels hollow and pointless and this is a serious issue.
1) Primary goal of L2 used to be PvP.... now PvP is completely dead. Bots/Scripts take advantage of all the reasonably recently introduced bugs such as buff delay etc, clan assist dominated in sieges.
2) No one field XPs, so there's no open field pvp. People simply don't want to waste expensive runes/xp pots/buffs when they could get ganked and lose them.
3) Gear difference kills pvp even more.
4) Events and bad have completely ruined the economy, so there's very little economy left to play and what there is is extremely risky.
5) With the pure cost of gearing a toon now (200b+ for 'ok' gear) and so much chance stuff costing 1-20b a click, any pitiful amount you can farm seems pointless.
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6) There's nothing left in the game for players to achieve by farming things. Raids are dead on spawn to bots, general items and mats have a stupidly low drop rate and in general aren't worth much compared to what a player needs.
7) Gameplay is crazily unbalanced, only a few classes are decent for PvE or PvP, a few classes simply outshine all the rest (and there's only 9 classes!).
So basically I've hit 101 on 3 toons, have decent gear on all and just want to address the issue that the game now feels completely hollow and pointless. Every day is just log in and do instances, never make adena hunting, nothing interesting or worthwhile to farm, no point in aiming for pvp when there's only parnassus and scripts are simply too strong.
I wouldn't mind hitting 103, but there's absolutely no endgame result for that, nothing to achieve. The only thing left that could make pvp/goals interesting again is starting scripting like everyone else, however I don't want to do that.
1) This should be an interesting challenge. I always believe Real People are better than Bots and Programs. Have a team and practice more? What doesn't kill you will make you strong! - Conan.
2) It's not that Field Exp is nuffed and Sux. It's just that Instance Exp boost has become TOO GOOD! This is not something to complain about but rather appreciate. We get to have 10B+ Exp per K95 run without any Exp boost and this used to require full Exp boost before the update.
3) Only a handful of people have the real PvP gears. 99% of people doing PvP are not so well geared...Maybe they got Kelbim Bow but a lot of them don't even have Abundace, Obsidian 4+, Diamond 4+..etc. just a Kelbim bow... that's about it. You should be able to still enjoy PvP with most people and Small scale pvp.
4) yeah just too much stuff on the market now. But hey! Look at the bright side! everything is cheap! But yeah...Nstore events are too much a lot of times. They need to introduce the event items first IN GAME, a couple of months prior to the event, then to the Nstore Promo.
5) 200B if you want the best PvP gears and if you insist on being the top 0.1% pvper. You can enjoy the game for a lot less and for some casual pvps. I don't care for PvP at the moment by the way. I am having so much fun leveling a DreadNaught! Easy AOE pulling and Mobs die so fast so easy! LOL all I need = AQ + Octavis warrior (2x 15% crit damage) +8 TW heavy +9 Blessed Apo stormer = mobs don't stand a chance! woot!
6) For level 97+ areas, I think the drops are semi-OK for casual players. Yeah we won't get tens of billions a month farming there but for the people who want the basic stuff from the game, it's quite decent although it should be better.
7) this is why I play ALL CLASSES! It doesn't matter for me. Anyways it sounds like you've been playing your toons too much. Take a break and take it easy. Maybe Level up a class that you've never played before for a change? Take a vacation!
1) Primary goal of L2 used to be PvP.... now PvP is completely dead. Bots/Scripts take advantage of all the reasonably recently introduced bugs such as buff delay etc, clan assist dominated in sieges.
2) No one field XPs, so there's no open field pvp. People simply don't want to waste expensive runes/xp pots/buffs when they could get ganked and lose them.
3) Gear difference kills pvp even more.
4) Events and bad have completely ruined the economy, so there's very little economy left to play and what there is is extremely risky.
5) With the pure cost of gearing a toon now (200b+ for 'ok' gear) and so much chance stuff costing 1-20b a click, any pitiful amount you can farm seems pointless.
6) There's nothing left in the game for players to achieve by farming things. Raids are dead on spawn to bots, general items and mats have a stupidly low drop rate and in general aren't worth much compared to what a player needs.
7) Gameplay is crazily unbalanced, only a few classes are decent for PvE or PvP, a few classes simply outshine all the rest (and there's only 9 classes!).
So basically I've hit 101 on 3 toons, have decent gear on all and just want to address the issue that the game now feels completely hollow and pointless. Every day is just log in and do instances, never make adena hunting, nothing interesting or worthwhile to farm, no point in aiming for pvp when there's only parnassus and scripts are simply too strong.
I wouldn't mind hitting 103, but there's absolutely no endgame result for that, nothing to achieve. The only thing left that could make pvp/goals interesting again is starting scripting like everyone else, however I don't want to do that.
Don't take this as attack, but maybe it's better for you to take a break from the game. If it feels hollow and dull for you, don't play it or stop playing it for some months, you'll see if you miss it or not.
Some comments from a casual-player view:
1) cannot comment, currently in PVE clan trying to catch up since I'm back in game
2) I noticed I cannot stand hours-long grind anymore. Even the 8k mobs quest is a pain and I'm always the first to leave party or fall asleep.
3) Gear and the hard time to get it is actually one of the best things in L2. I recently tried out Guild Wars where there is almost no difference in endgame gear for balancing reasons: deadly boring.
4) Events are always a chance to make a lot of adena. Either simply with spending Euro, with IG possibilities or from the market. Even store-only events always give stuff that is tradable in game so you're not forced to spend € to get whatever you want.
There is no perfect solution: IG events will be ruled by botters and you'll have to buy from them at some point. Store events will be ruled by biggest spenders and you'll have to buy from them at some point. Not a lot difference for me.
5) 200bil for "okay" gear? Wow, haha. 1/10 of that is enough to do "okay".
Besides, you are almost never forced to take any risks. Some exceptions as Brooch Jewels exist ofc., but these are few. Rest is your own choice.
6) I think there speaks someone who is/was in top-clans for a too long time. For most ppl. this will not be the case. For me there's plenty stuff left to do and achieve and have fun with.
7) With exception of Archers the game has good balance. I play a currently considered weak class. Good reason to try get better gear/level/tactics and that's where the fun is.
About your last sentence with hitting lvl. 103 and there'll be nothing to see/nothing to get.
This is actually very good and surely well intended.
If it would be different and you would be "forced" to hit 103/104/105, the gap to the low-lvls or better the not-totally-hardcore-nerd-players would increase even more. Would scare me away.
L2 used to be amazing, there was constantly things to do and things to aim for, reasons to level up and reasons to gear up.
Now it all just feels hollow and pointless and this is a serious issue.
1) Primary goal of L2 used to be PvP.... now PvP is completely dead. Bots/Scripts take advantage of all the reasonably recently introduced bugs such as buff delay etc, clan assist dominated in sieges.
2) No one field XPs, so there's no open field pvp. People simply don't want to waste expensive runes/xp pots/buffs when they could get ganked and lose them.
3) Gear difference kills pvp even more.
4) Events and bad have completely ruined the economy, so there's very little economy left to play and what there is is extremely risky.
5) With the pure cost of gearing a toon now (200b+ for 'ok' gear) and so much chance stuff costing 1-20b a click, any pitiful amount you can farm seems pointless.
6) There's nothing left in the game for players to achieve by farming things. Raids are dead on spawn to bots, general items and mats have a stupidly low drop rate and in general aren't worth much compared to what a player needs.
7) Gameplay is crazily unbalanced, only a few classes are decent for PvE or PvP, a few classes simply outshine all the rest (and there's only 9 classes!).
So basically I've hit 101 on 3 toons, have decent gear on all and just want to address the issue that the game now feels completely hollow and pointless. Every day is just log in and do instances, never make adena hunting, nothing interesting or worthwhile to farm, no point in aiming for pvp when there's only parnassus and scripts are simply too strong.
I wouldn't mind hitting 103, but there's absolutely no endgame result for that, nothing to achieve. The only thing left that could make pvp/goals interesting again is starting scripting like everyone else, however I don't want to do that.I'm feelin' ya. There's really nothing I "need" in game anymore either. Levels won't give me anything new...adena won't buy me anything new, or anything I need to make it through my day...I don't "need" do do any daily quest or instance to take my next breath... I miss the past, but by no means would I want to redo it all. I've played this game on and off for longer than anyone really should have, and what do I have to show for my time spent? Nothing really. Stuff that took long years and hours, new spenders have instantly. Am I sad because of that? Not really. Main reason is cuz it's lost it's luster... I just don't care as much as I once did, and maybe it's because real life has more to offer now than it did 12 years ago, I don't know. There's so much to do outside of a game, that I don't "need" this as much in my life like I once did. Maybe you feel like this too? Either way, every time I quit for a bit I eventually daydream of L2 again (I know, sick), and want to start back up and relive the glory days. It's fun for a little bit, then boom back to the boring reality when you realize you're doing all this for nothing. We're all going to grow old and die someday....would you like to tell your grandkids you wasted most of your life in front of a computer monitor playing a video game? Not me. Just get your few minutes or an hour or two of kicks, then go do something else, and don't look back. This game is just my morning coffee nowadays then I move on.
Don't take this as attack, but maybe it's better for you to take a break from the game. If it feels hollow and dull for you, don't play it or stop playing it for some months, you'll see if you miss it or not.
2) I noticed I cannot stand hours-long grind anymore. Even the 8k mobs quest is a pain and I'm always the first to leave party or fall asleep.
7) With exception of Archers the game has good balance. I play a currently considered weak class. Good reason to try get better gear/level/tactics and that's where the fun is.
You get bored on grind or fall asleep because you get nowhere and nothing from grinding atm. XP/SP bar dont move, no drops, no pvp for spot.
Archers are nothing but nerfed. Since Lindvior they had bow/xbow critical damage nerfed to 1.5x normal damage, while all other types of weapons are currently over 2x normal damage.
If you dont know how critical damage works: Critical damage was always 2x your normal damage , +- the regular damage variance, considering no buffs, skills or items that boost critical damage.
On Lindvior update my criticals, that with buffs+aq+baium were 6x normal damage, have came down to 3x. Nice eh? New update and you hiting for half damage :)
I asked for lab tests, made posts here, PMed Juji and he even told me on live server during a time he logged in to send pm on forums to check it, but he never respond.
The thing with archers atm is people that stack on top of the 101 skill: Super oed dark bows, Prophecy of Might, Abundance Talisman, new SA's and skills enchant routes. Plus hero zerk when they are hero.(and all other type of $ only stuff like ruby, rulers belt, etc..)
And is all about skill damage. When it comes to normal critical damage archers are nothing. For how long havent you seen archer stading and shooting?
The way it is now is just balance to compensate for critical damage nerf on bow/xbow.
You get bored on grind or fall asleep because you get nowhere and nothing from grinding atm. XP/SP bar dont move, no drops, no pvp for spot.
Archers are nothing but nerfed. Since Lindvior they had bow/xbow critical damage nerfed to 1.5x normal damage, while all other types of weapons are currently over 2x normal damage.
If you dont know how critical damage works: Critical damage was always 2x your normal damage , +- the regular damage variance, considering no buffs, skills or items that boost critical damage.
On Lindvior update my criticals, that with buffs+aq+baium were 6x normal damage, have came down to 3x. Nice eh? New update and you hiting for half damage :)
I asked for lab tests, made posts here, PMed Juji and he even told me on live server during a time he logged in to send pm on forums to check it, but he never respond.
The thing with archers atm is people that stack on top of the 101 skill: Super oed dark bows, Prophecy of Might, Abundance Talisman, new SA's and skills enchant routes. Plus hero zerk when they are hero.(and all other type of $ only stuff like ruby, rulers belt, etc..)
And is all about skill damage. When it comes to normal critical damage archers are nothing. For how long havent you seen archer stading and shooting?
The way it is now is just balance to compensate for critical damage nerf on bow/xbow.
Stop the digging, we've got our Thread's Gem right here!
I remember when L2 was about grinding to get lvls > mats to craft your gear or most of it, making profit too > being able to pvp when you had the first 2 covered. PVPing for good hunting spots made this entertaining too
Mobs actually gave decent-ish exp per lvl till get capped in lvl by grinding, mobs gave good-ish ammount of adena and mats/spoil to encourage this, now? to get 1% open world expíng in a decent or reasonable ammount of time you need to have all the possible runes (big $ per/hr) and we dont get rewarded for the time we spent hunting, most of the time not even the expense of SS´s alone, much worse on mage class types, and in order to get that 1% you need to be frickin stacked with an Iss to duo or your own boxed iss out of party, much even worse if you want to party, find the correct classes, all of them stacked to try a decent open worl exp in A.F. or GoS. or Raiders X roads, if one of the party members is not equally god-like geared, he becomes the weakest link and doesn´t get invited, lol
So as I said before, L2 needs to go back to basics, in a general point of view.