After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
Oh no! now we will have to buy more xp runes and vitality from store to level up same speed than before. Brb recharging 16.000 nc coins to buy exp items.:mad:
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
Doing the right thing would be to change the XP back to what it was. You are going to do nothing but alienate more customers this way.
If you want to change it to the lowered rewards, you should honestly make that part of the Helois update, not some random weekly update no one was prepared for.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
GG Nice ninja reduse XP on kartia/baylor just nice again NCWEST GG i ask ppl to show to ncwest member that they salary depent from us lets just stop buy the items from store for few days to see what is to be ninja stolen they pay checks ...
What really happened was that NCsoft extraordinary meeting decided that it is better to leave things as they are, would not be willing to spend man hours as it is very difficult and complex problem. :mad:
This is an unfortunate change which, I predict, will lose you business. Also, the manner in which it was handled, no notice to anyone, an admission of a mistake, then a contention it was not a mistake at all, is reprehensible. You folks must do better if you wish tor remain in business.
Rates are since november and you discovered in february that they wasn't correctly ? what the hell ? lol no words nice NCWEST team pro team :D:D:D Go be team of mario instead of lineage
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
Determined by who?the people that don't even know how the game works lol?they didn't even know they changed the xp rates in the first place it was all done by accident as it seems(both increase and decrease).XP is terrible right now not even worth doing anymore even with runes running not to mention buying passes is a waste.
its like talking to support group like they trying to act like do something but didn't really care what we want ...
ppl's are not happy with current exp rate,price of items and event etc
i know u guys can do something much better
ppl getting lost interest of game if keep ignore what we want
once again this is what ppl want
1,reduce item price at least 50% on all major items
2,exp rate is way too slow,we are not farmer or slave or bot,let us exp fast and enjoy the ******* game
3,do real event without nccoin involved
i play this game of lineage for more than 15 years including lin1
so listen to me !!!
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
That's ridiculous, no one is going to bother with those instances anymore. You just killed another 1h of people's potential daily playtime.
If you're going to nerf it, then can you at least put the bosses HP back down so it doesn't take people forever to kill it?
Plz remove half hp of kartia boss lv 95 (solo) i spend alldays 1 hour with my tank to kill that boss. I enter full iss buff and run out of buff and boss still have half hp or more... for a tank is super slow kill that boss... unless you ebay some good gears but with apocalypse sword 300 element haste sa is a pain... so imagine new ppl that will do that with immortal gear or requiem sword no element... they will run out of time and boss still alive... That is only for tank class other class are fine.
@BusterCasey: my opinion is that at current xp rates are near acceptable, but if it set back... ok, we will fight as a retired peoples with shaking hands for lvl 104... As I see the current year's changes this game not the hardest but also even worse. Before the xp rates raised by event a character who played on every day, obtained so much xp which raised his level about 1 year from lvl 99 0% to 100%. Now you want to change back and we have not talked about 100, 101, 102, ... where we get more skills.
Sometimes I feel that this game is for you (NCSoft), just for cheating us, the players and you feel that is so funny. Against us, you do this as a god ruled world, forcing us to pay something which has no real value like crappy items in the shop. Or should pay even more for overpovered things which have not balanced, just an idea without playing with mathematics or did but failed during exams....
Set back the XP? ok, it is your turn but it is aggressive step and against what we want. More fun more xp. Ahh.. just a notice which should not be forgeted by me: more fun is not meant by more Kartia... NO... more variety of things, instances, quests, even larger map without refurbishing or revamping old areas....
And a special message: why do you asking us for our suggestions if nobody interested or heared anyithing from players ???? It is very sarcastic...
What really happened was that NCsoft extraordinary meeting decided that it is better to leave things as they are, would not be willing to spend man hours as it is very difficult and complex problem. :mad:
Complex, no.
It's a database change for XP. They just don't care about customer base.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
LOL as i remember there was exp increes, then after event u decreesed it to all "usual" exp. Now u say there was a mistake ?
Can u give us info how much exp gives baylor before u incres hp and exp rate.
PS
Its sad that u didnt noticed ur mistake 4 months?
The Problem is not really the xp. It's ok that they reduce them because open field xp like atellia fortress. BUT they should Change HP of this bosses back to same as before the xp Change. Some classes Need really Long to kill when they are in solo kartia. Even in Group Kartia it's not worth for some Groups to do it anyway if they Need very Long and your vitality get burned done for nothing :D
When I remember right many ppl QQed about higher HP of bosses and the answer was because of the higher XP. :P
Seems you don't know what you do but you do it really good :)
What a luck that I decided to not buy a destiny pack for the 30 day 100% rune.
Tbh I did expect this incompetence of the l2 Team. They give a *** on their customers. They only want our Money. But I really really hope that many ppl won't buy coins for a longer time.
Good Job Juji and Buster you are pro :). Not good in Marketing but in p-i-s-s-off Players/customers.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
This is ridiculous! The willingness to help players is so high as to take action against bots and 3rd programs... Unfortunate. They are destroying the game GZ
I get 0.2% exp as duo in k95 ... why would someone even bother paying 180nc coins for that :D
As I suggested time ago ... if in the end we will be turning back again to open field exp, Cakes should be 1 hr 20nc coin each + bonus drop & spoil rate for the very least :)
Thanks about the info! i will appreciate you make the same changes to Nerf HP instances boss at the same way or need investigation!
@Bustercasey Ncsoft think we are monkeys?
if you nerf XP do the same to the HP because both were increased respect the Event!
I feel like a stupid in the way do you try to convince about nerfing Kartia y Baylor XP
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
Thing is that with or without nevit and vitality I get the same xp in kartia as I would get only with vitality. So you still have this issue as in vitality don't even count for boss xp @ the end.
Lately all I see complains and things going downhill on and on. Is there anything worth playing for/killing time for any more here or shall I reconsider playing this game? I mean costumer support is like, well I don't even find words to describe it and even if I would it would be deleted, censored and all since this is what they know to do best. Heck even there you suck since I see quotes for some posts which aren't there any more. So I am asking is it still worth spending time here or look other way?
Feel free to delete it, I really don't care any more.
Fix Npc buff pls only gives 1 buff, come on we cant exp cause nobody wants to make a pt for grind at least give us full buff for solo hunting
They obviously don't give a rats **** about their player base. One screw up after another and now, oh sorry, we messed up during the Reel In The Holidays event with Kartia and Baylor so we're leaving it as is. Not spending another dime on this screwed up game.
I'm honestly disappointed... Why would you reduce something that was perfectly good for all the players? Even with my overloaded schedule I was finding 1-2 hours per day to do my instances and get some exp. Now , it's really not worth it doing them, so I just won't log in, unfortunately I won't be the only one. You should consider what your customers want. The EXP/SP gain from these instances were great, great enough to add a game in a full schedule. Keep them as they were.
Thank you,
Best Regards
Edd
Honestly, NCSoft I can't believe you have the balls to post this. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
First of all the game has been on a steady decline in player base, and players are becoming more and more disenfranchised due to the crazy prices of the current event. When the XP was reduced during the maintenance you posted that it would be investigated. Having found that the problem is so old (4 months) you should simply reinstate the boosted rates for players.
You are trailing down a negative path of self-destruction here. Combining so many negatives in such a short period of time is NOT good for customer service and your games' player base.
Honestly, NCSoft I can't believe you have the balls to post this. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
First of all the game has been on a steady decline in player base, and players are becoming more and more disenfranchised due to the crazy prices of the current event. When the XP was reduced during the maintenance you posted that it would be investigated. Having found that the problem is so old (4 months) you should simply reinstate the boosted rates for players.
You are trailing down a negative path of self-destruction here. Combining so many negatives in such a short period of time is NOT good for customer service and your games' player base.
A bug is a bug, if it is true that this was never intended & unknown, I dont see the problem with this.
Of course it is sad, but come on. we survived for 4 years with lower exp, the XP we get now is still very good.
Kamaloka is not nerfed and gives alot of XP, and the exp from K95/Baylor already is much higher compared to before.. where is the problem exactly, I do not see it?
First people complain about instances giving too much exp and making people never leave peacezone.. when exp is nerfed (with a valid reason) which will "force" people to go outside and grind again.... the very same people complain once more, about "No grinding areas".
WTF.
Seriously this community is so messed up.
A bug is a bug, if it is true that this was never intended & unknown, I dont see the problem with this.
Of course it is sad, but come on. we survived for 4 years with lower exp, the XP we get now is still very good.
Kamaloka is not nerfed and gives alot of XP, and the exp from K95/Baylor already is much higher compared to before.. where is the problem exactly, I do not see it?
First people complain about instances giving too much exp and making people never leave peacezone.. when exp is nerfed (with a valid reason) which will "force" people to go outside and grind again.... the very same people complain once more, about "No grinding areas".
WTF.
Seriously this community is so messed up.
It's not messed up in the least.
It's been this way for months. No bug, no "special" settings, etc.
It was, as far as anyone playing, and NC stated, "Working as intended".
This scale downward wouldn't be an issue if it was notified. People may not be happy sure. But this was a maintenance to add an event, give some server settings, and chance precisely ONE gameplay element (Change for the exalted quest-line).
So how can you not see an issue when it was completely unannounced, completely unexpected, and even unexpected for NCsoft. There have been other events that came and and left while the XP was the same.
If they want to change the rewards to scale it back then fine. Put it on the agenda to do on a future announced maintenance. Or as I recommended earlier, make the change with the helios update.
People may not care for it, but at least it's out there, people know it's coming, and they can plan accordingly.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
I had stopped playing for over a year. The only reason I started playing again is because of the exp increase and many people did so. By decreasing the exp rates from kartia/baylor you will loose MANY players. But if you thing that's what's good for business, go for it... but it's not.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
Fire your PR team! Now! It seriously took you guys a week to come up with that excuse? That's just sad! And so not true.
Anyway if the exp will remain at 60%, atleast lower the exp back accordingly. And (although I doubt it'll still be needed) increase the **** amount of k95 instances. It takes is 10min of clicking to even get in on Naia.
@Znipo; just lowering instance exp won't make ppl farm in open field. EV exp is ridiculous past 99 (certainly past 100). Only bots and braindead ppl can lvl up like that.
AF exp is said to be decent, but unless your gear is alrdy decked out, you won't find a pt
It's been this way for months. No bug, no "special" settings, etc.
It was, as far as anyone playing, and NC stated, "Working as intended".
This scale downward wouldn't be an issue if it was notified. People may not be happy sure. But this was a maintenance to add an event, give some server settings, and chance precisely ONE gameplay element (Change for the exalted quest-line).
So how can you not see an issue when it was completely unannounced, completely unexpected, and even unexpected for NCsoft. There have been other events that came and and left while the XP was the same.
If they want to change the rewards to scale it back then fine. Put it on the agenda to do on a future announced maintenance. Or as I recommended earlier, make the change with the helios update.
People may not care for it, but at least it's out there, people know it's coming, and they can plan accordingly.
You hit the nail dead on, UNEXPECTED and unknown even to NCWest!
I can see what problem you have with it - but it is not an issue, it was not expected by NCWest and as said, some problem with old event server settings, probably new server setting nullified the old one & "fixed" the exp issue.
Its similar to online retailers & their pricing.
If they accidently put an item for sale at $9.99 instead of $999, they are going to cancel any order and immediately change the price.
Maybe offer a discount to the "lucky buyers" (tersi anyone?).
Same story here, except NCWest is expecting XXX amount of money coming from people lvling up, if these people suddenly do not require any items from l2store, their entire economy plan/prediction/whatever gets messed up, thus you cant ask them to keep the old XP because "its the right thing to do" or whatever, just as you wouldnt ask the online retailer to send you the item for a fraction of the cost..
All that being said, I personally wouldnt be surprised if they found out about this some weeks ago, but decided to keep it until brooch event and act like it was unexpected.
That way, they could raise the price on jewelry & cut their losses. :o
A bug is a bug, if it is true that this was never intended & unknown, I dont see the problem with this.
Of course it is sad, but come on. we survived for 4 years with lower exp, the XP we get now is still very good.
Kamaloka is not nerfed and gives alot of XP, and the exp from K95/Baylor already is much higher compared to before.. where is the problem exactly, I do not see it?
First people complain about instances giving too much exp and making people never leave peacezone.. when exp is nerfed (with a valid reason) which will "force" people to go outside and grind again.... the very same people complain once more, about "No grinding areas".
WTF.
Seriously this community is so messed up.
I'm with you on basically everything
They made a crappy error, but it played in our favor for quite some time. I admit I wouldn't be 99/99 right now without the XP buff, so I'm happy with the final result
What about the future?
Well, as we were commenting on clan, it was great, it's sad it's over, now time to move on and figure out something else
Anyway, despite being hurt as anyone with this ninja fix, the amount of QQ here is funny to read XD
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
Baylor is fine as it is now.
Kartia XP is also fine, but as many others already said, lower the HP of the boss to 50% to make it faster. It is dead boring and with lower XP not really worth the time anymore.
A bug is a bug, if it is true that this was never intended & unknown, I dont see the problem with this.
Of course it is sad, but come on. we survived for 4 years with lower exp, the XP we get now is still very good.
Kamaloka is not nerfed and gives alot of XP, and the exp from K95/Baylor already is much higher compared to before.. where is the problem exactly, I do not see it?
First people complain about instances giving too much exp and making people never leave peacezone.. when exp is nerfed (with a valid reason) which will "force" people to go outside and grind again.... the very same people complain once more, about "No grinding areas".
WTF.
Seriously this community is so messed up.
Come on, the XP rates have been this was for at least 4 months and if you're talking about open field XP, it was dead LONG before the instance boosts.
The instance boosts actually brought a LOT of people back to the game, me included, there was nothing wrong with them. It encouraged people pay for re-use items and runes in a way that makes them feel happy with their purchase (not ripped off like events) and helped regular players get to 99 faster, not much help past 101.
The fact is there's just been a long line of screw up's and "screw you's" to the community recently whilst at the same time putting events with insane prices. If the instances really were a problem it should be raised back for 2 weeks then down to the "intended" level... not just "screw you player base".
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
So please low the HP like was before november also the stages from 5 to 7....
So are they going to fix the HP for Kartia as well, because it was lower before they raised it for the increase in XP. I'm not sure if that was a bug or not, I'm sure NCSoft isn't sure either.
So are they going to fix the HP for Kartia as well, because it was lower before they raised it for the increase in XP. I'm not sure if that was a bug or not, I'm sure NCSoft isn't sure either.
Do they ever know anything besides ripping people off?
Did Kama xp rates changed since maintenance?
Yeah, dramatically.
I forgot to get my Tersi buff and did a quick K95, CC, Baylor, Kama run with clannies this morning. I didn't get butthurt. I didn't care. I still enjoyed my time with the peeps. WTF are we crying about really? I didn't get another .05 xp from these instances today? Well FML...haha jk..... these forums and whiners, really..........
First make an event where people from other countries you can not pay , or pay some probably are not interested in those people, but they know that , we make the game too.
I understand that the pay have better things, but over time it will be boring , because no one is going to present challenge. Now this is a total disrespect to the players. Who are they kidding with that no more bots ? when they are worse than ever, they are the thousands. yesterday afternoon there was a lag kicked all accounts , but the bots were following on .
People know it's difficult but those who pay to stop doing that solve this. It is the only way to claim that we have.
Honestly, NCSoft I can't believe you have the balls to post this. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
First of all the game has been on a steady decline in player base, and players are becoming more and more disenfranchised due to the crazy prices of the current event. When the XP was reduced during the maintenance you posted that it would be investigated. Having found that the problem is so old (4 months) you should simply reinstate the boosted rates for players.
You are trailing down a negative path of self-destruction here. Combining so many negatives in such a short period of time is NOT good for customer service and your games' player base.
Right, my bad, he asked about kamaloka. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Don't be sorry bro, I didn't even see you answered right or wrong. It's all good ;-)
Does anyone remember when it took a legit player to get to like...lets say...level 75...almost 2 years?
Do you remember when Kamalokas were the best XP next to farming RB's?
Do you remember when this game was about parties and farming in CT for hours and PvPing the Chinese Farmers out for a spot?
Do you remember when people wouldnt sit there and whine and complain about the XP?
Do you remember when clans were actual clans and not just a bunch of solo players with constant "CP's" as an excuse to grind?
I mean really, they fixed an issue that was present for 4 months. You guys all whine and complain about the dumbest crap even possible.
If anyone plays this game to get somewhere in a hurry, you are missing the point of the MMO genre that is and always has been present in L2.
Sure they offer boosts and sure they offer items and a cash shop. At least you still have that option. Or maybe they should boost XP slightly, get rid of the cash shop and go back to P2P. Allowing for a nevits blessing buff every hour or so when you've XP'd enough in open field and slow down the use of vit. Have it go back to 200% then to 150% then to 100% then to 50% then to nothing?
Do any of you even remember what this game used to be? Level cap of 75, only C grade armors and B grade without working stats?
Do any of you recall open shops all over the place, crowing dion, gludio, giran and aden because they didn't have an AH?
Do you recall setting up parties that could actually run 24/7 because you would take turns killing mobs for hours on end? Do you remember the community that used to be L2?
You want solo play, go to SWTOR or WOW. Lineage 2 has always been a grind game for those who are actually dedicated to trying to accomplish something, versus getting a handout.
Also to anyone complaining about Zaken and Teresi, why not move to Aden? The NPC has been there everytime I've have to go back and use him. Give it a rest and stop complaining.
Maybe its time some of you take a break if you cant handle the way the game was designed?
I dont belive that ....If NcSoft have nothing to hide, If its true, If was a mistake then :
I would like to see a table like this:
Kartia Grup 85 90 95
Exp Amount before November for char 89,94,99
Exp Amount in November -January for char 89,94,99
Exp Amount -current for char 89,94,99
Baylor the same.
Just saying it was a mistake and it will stay like this...... have no value in front of us.
Give us more info, more data...its just what a partner will do!
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
Thats what they write on maintence 03/november and now they say Its bug...
Do you know how much interest I've had playing since this unannounced, allegedly unintended and ultimately unwelcomed kartia xp nerf came to be? The answer is... zero. Wait... allow me to rephrase... The better answer would be ABSOF%&KINGLUTE ZERO!! And if NC intends to keep kartia xp as it is now, my interesting in playing this game will remain the same.
I'm one of the players who came back to this game after last playing in C5/Interlude/dino island expansion, so yeah it's been a few years. A friend of mine told me that there was a huge increase in xp and there was a new server (zaken) coming up so we could both start fresh on a new adventure. My free time is very limited these days so fast xp and new server sounded intriguing. I don't have the time nor the patience anymore to grind countless hours to get ~5% xp at higher levels like I did back in the day. So naturally the boosted xp kept me interested and kept me playing. Until now, sadly.
With my limited time and the limited xp, my sense of progression will come to a halt, and that's a game killer for me. If I start feeling that I'm not getting anywhere in a game when I consider the time invested playing it, I will simply just stop playing. You could argue that I could buy runes/pots/etc from the L2 store to compensate. I've periodically bought stuff from the store to further boost the xp but the fact is I felt like I was getting my money's worth. Now if I need to spend money to get around the same amount of xp I was getting before without any boosts, then I'm sorry but it feels like I'm getting ripped off.
The whole thing is pretty much a gamble by the NCWest staff. By nerfing Kartia xp they are hoping that people will cave in and buy more runes/pots/passes/etc from the L2 store thus increasing revenue. They are also aware that they will probably alienate some players thus possibly decreasing revenue. I'm willing to bet that if revenue decreases after this change, they will swiftly boost Kartia xp again. Money talks folks.
To the people who don't want this change to happen, don't try wasting your time and energy posting on the forums because it feels like that the NC staff doesn't really take into consideration of what their customers have to say. What they do take into consideration though, is their customers' wallets. If you refrain from buying anything from the L2 store for a couple of weeks in protest of the Kartia xp nerf, they might be forced to change it back. Or maybe they won't and they will instead throw another event charging us $500 for an item that will be obsolete in 6 months. Because caring for their customers is what NCWest does.
honestly, ncsoft i can't believe you have the balls to post this. This is one of the most ridiculous things i've read in a long time.
First of all the game has been on a steady decline in player base, and players are becoming more and more disenfranchised due to the crazy prices of the current event. When the xp was reduced during the maintenance you posted that it would be investigated. Having found that the problem is so old (4 months) you should simply reinstate the boosted rates for players.
You are trailing down a negative path of self-destruction here. Combining so many negatives in such a short period of time is not good for customer service and your games' player base.
Lineage2 Ncwest its like Tera Europe doing stupid things the only way they learn its lost players like happned in tera they lost all players europe to emmasse America and what? they started listening players so my opinion its DONT BUY RUNES / PASS / NOTHING FROM L2 STORE Or STOP Ncwest and moving Core where staff its great they also listing players
Where is the juji's Post when he Said Changes XP on Baylor and Kartia was permanent Deleted also because of despeserated investigation?
(oh no we need more money! keep fakin customers) thinking from Ncsoft
oh! yeah i remember it was like this at official webpage
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
Does anyone remember when it took a legit player to get to like...lets say...level 75...almost 2 years?
Do you remember when Kamalokas were the best XP next to farming RB's?
Do you remember when this game was about parties and farming in CT for hours and PvPing the Chinese Farmers out for a spot?
Do you remember when people wouldnt sit there and whine and complain about the XP?
Do you remember when clans were actual clans and not just a bunch of solo players with constant "CP's" as an excuse to grind?
I mean really, they fixed an issue that was present for 4 months. You guys all whine and complain about the dumbest crap even possible.
If anyone plays this game to get somewhere in a hurry, you are missing the point of the MMO genre that is and always has been present in L2.
Sure they offer boosts and sure they offer items and a cash shop. At least you still have that option. Or maybe they should boost XP slightly, get rid of the cash shop and go back to P2P. Allowing for a nevits blessing buff every hour or so when you've XP'd enough in open field and slow down the use of vit. Have it go back to 200% then to 150% then to 100% then to 50% then to nothing?
Do any of you even remember what this game used to be? Level cap of 75, only C grade armors and B grade without working stats?
Do any of you recall open shops all over the place, crowing dion, gludio, giran and aden because they didn't have an AH?
Do you recall setting up parties that could actually run 24/7 because you would take turns killing mobs for hours on end? Do you remember the community that used to be L2?
You want solo play, go to SWTOR or WOW. Lineage 2 has always been a grind game for those who are actually dedicated to trying to accomplish something, versus getting a handout.
Also to anyone complaining about Zaken and Teresi, why not move to Aden? The NPC has been there everytime I've have to go back and use him. Give it a rest and stop complaining.
Maybe its time some of you take a break if you cant handle the way the game was designed?
Do you remember it didn't require $150 to just be competitive?
Do you remember when people actually played the game and hunted in parties?
Do you remember when you could actually make adena without spending any cash on l2store or logging in 10359216505 alts to open a stupid cube?
Do you remember when people like you got destroyed in pvp?
The issue is NCSOFT WEST still hasn't heard the players. They ban people on the forums and remove them if we speak poorly about their service.
Now there is nothing. There is no real pvp, there is no end game, there is nothing left in Lineage 2. Want to be competitive? Buy Ncoin.
We get no updates from NCSOFT. 90% of their post is crap and always leave out things. Their developers can't seem to get anything right every time the update or do a maintenance there's always issues.
They spend money to open a new server, instead of fixed the dead server problem we already have. They should of closed server transfers to prevent RMT from dead servers.
They want new players? They should of auto boosted to 85 to promote players to playing L2.
They want to keep players? Drops should be give out to number of players actually at the raid. Giving each player something to aim for, instead we have a BEAR and a appearance stone.
They want to get rid of the bots RMT etc? They should of a GM hidden online to IP ban anyone that is doing something like selling accounts or adena.
They want to make cash to help keep their jobs? They should make stuff affordable and not a **** gamble. Look at EU and how they have done things. Unobtainable items without someone spending cash to get the items to sell to players in the game. PvP competely pointless with L2store items breaking the game. how to pvp..SPAM SPAM SPAM. Nothing is a ******* chance when it comes to how much you can spam! unless ofc you can spam and have immune to everything or better yet a shield that procs every 20 seconds!!
For them not to keep the instances xp up, is even worse.
Stupid ****. I honestly hoped Ncsoft west would step up when Juji took over. But so far I'm not impressed.
At least they did one thing correct with Beleth.
p.s. L2 is a HUGE solo game right now. People partying? Where? People log on, do their dailies for 1 hour, log off. There's nothing else to do if you don't have decent gear to hunt GOS or AF. Why should they go to GOS if they don't have the adena to buy party cakes? Why should they waste time looking for an TANK HEALER (most dead classes)? Without top gear you can't solo and finding a party that will take you into K99 or kartia 95 ? good luck.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
now go and change open RB's time, stop this sh.it of fix 24h time or up every day in same time. Give us 12h+12h random or w/e other X+X time to ppl get them free.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
But wait a second.... I don't remember the exact values for Exp in K95, but I think that BEFORE November they were somehow similar to the current ones.
Then you said this:
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Could you please tell us the XP values for K95 in the periods:
before November change
from November change to 10-th of February
After 10-th of February to now.
Do we really have this promised x6 boost for the period 1 and 3? Coz I think they are suspiciously similar.
Does anyone remember when it took a legit player to get to like...lets say...level 75...almost 2 years?
Do you remember when Kamalokas were the best XP next to farming RB's?
Do you remember when this game was about parties and farming in CT for hours and PvPing the Chinese Farmers out for a spot?
Do you remember when people wouldnt sit there and whine and complain about the XP?
Do you remember when clans were actual clans and not just a bunch of solo players with constant "CP's" as an excuse to grind?
I mean really, they fixed an issue that was present for 4 months. You guys all whine and complain about the dumbest crap even possible.
If anyone plays this game to get somewhere in a hurry, you are missing the point of the MMO genre that is and always has been present in L2.
Sure they offer boosts and sure they offer items and a cash shop. At least you still have that option. Or maybe they should boost XP slightly, get rid of the cash shop and go back to P2P. Allowing for a nevits blessing buff every hour or so when you've XP'd enough in open field and slow down the use of vit. Have it go back to 200% then to 150% then to 100% then to 50% then to nothing?
Do any of you even remember what this game used to be? Level cap of 75, only C grade armors and B grade without working stats?
Do any of you recall open shops all over the place, crowing dion, gludio, giran and aden because they didn't have an AH?
Do you recall setting up parties that could actually run 24/7 because you would take turns killing mobs for hours on end? Do you remember the community that used to be L2?
You want solo play, go to SWTOR or WOW. Lineage 2 has always been a grind game for those who are actually dedicated to trying to accomplish something, versus getting a handout.
Also to anyone complaining about Zaken and Teresi, why not move to Aden? The NPC has been there everytime I've have to go back and use him. Give it a rest and stop complaining.
Maybe its time some of you take a break if you cant handle the way the game was designed?No sarcasm, I actually enjoyed this post. My answer is yes to all. I do remember....... and they are fond memories. I also know that times change, and we can't ever re-live the past. Too much time has passed, and too much evolution has taken place.
Where is the juji's Post when he Said Changes XP on Baylor and Kartia was permanent Deleted also because of despeserated investigation?
(oh no we need more money! keep fakin customers) thinking from Ncsoft
oh! yeah i remember it was like this at official webpage
I am afraid BusterCasey is right about the Kartia & Baylor XP/SP Rates. During the Underground Event Settings 50% I was taking:
~55b EXP without any Bonus.
/150*100 (50% Bonus)
/11*6 (11x to 6x K95 Group)
=
~20b EXP without Bonus as intended now.
However this does not explain to us why we had these XP/SP Rates running over 4 months of time. It makes me more sick to see that your Company needed to investigate the situation yourself for nearly a week. This means your Company had no clue at all what is going on in your own Servers. You all had no clue what is even the difference between the old and the new Rates or if it was even intentional change for US West alone or not. Start Type Ninja Patch Notes from the changes you are going to make every Maintenance. It is clearly not a standard Maintenance, because every single time somethings changed secretly.
In the meantime Zaken went LIVE. All the Players in Zaken Server are used to play one hour of daily Kartia/Baylor to try reach 99 Levels to compete against the other Top Levels in the Server. They are doing so from the start of the Server. Now you say it was bugged for all those months we used to play with these Rates.
Right now starting from last Maintenance our Clan Lv.11 in Zaken lost 50% Activity due to the Pay2Win Event and the Announcement of the change in Kartia & Baylor XP/SP Rates. We always had 60-80 Players online. Now it is 30, max 40.
If this change will be Pemanent, it will be a dead blow for many Players/Clan in Zaken Server. Already many Quit or are moving to Lineage 2 EU or Blade and Soul.
I know that the extra XP awarded by the bugged settings were enjoyed by many, but ultimately these settings were not intended and had to be reversed. It's not an ideal situation, to be sure, and we do apologize for any confusion or frustration it's caused.
Ok. So basically the best thing NC West have done in several months was an unintended bug/setting.
BTW. If I buy a movie ticket at a cinema that is playing an extended version of a film, and then they realize that showing this version of the film was an error, they always make a refund. The same should apply here with all of us that bought runes because the XP/SP rewards these instances were giving. Or at least we should know in advance so we can decide wether we buy runes or not.
I know that the extra XP awarded by the bugged settings were enjoyed by many, but ultimately these settings were not intended and had to be reversed. It's not an ideal situation, to be sure, and we do apologize for any confusion or frustration it's caused.
Lair that is not true, when u did maintaince you already take out the 50% aditional XP.
Doing kartia group Solo + vita+ Maprh Scroll+clan buff lv4+10% exaltedbuff when 50% bonus was up i got 180b-210b experience.
Then you did Server Maintenance: Wednesday, November 11th, 2015
Before your "bug" ninja patch making Kartia Group solo+ vita+ Maprh Scroll+clan buff lv4 +10% exaltedbuff - 50% xp/sp bonus for ending of event i got 123b-130b. http://i.imgur.com/r3DFzj1.png?1
What its the XP from Baylor without bonus 18x? and nerfing 50%?
Now you are ending another event for 50% bonus from where? do you think we are Monkey?
after ninja patch "bug" nerfin xp another 50% i got less than it! dont lie to me i dont want to feel stupid.
nerf 50% hp too then!! dont think we are kinds santa dont exist! and what its the real XP from Baylor without bonus 18x i want a real answer
I know that the extra XP awarded by the bugged settings were enjoyed by many, but ultimately these settings were not intended and had to be reversed. It's not an ideal situation, to be sure, and we do apologize for any confusion or frustration it's caused.
So you're saying that currently we have those rates.... and Baylor is 18x original XP?
I just got 4b XP from it in a 7 man party, what on earth is 1x XP? 220m XP, normal mobs give more?!
So you're saying that currently we have those rates.... and Baylor is 18x original XP?
I just got 4b XP from it in a 7 man party, what on earth is 1x XP? 220m XP, normal mobs give more?!
Assuming L2wiki is up to date and reflects the rates on L2 EU servers, the base XP for both k95 and Baylor are around 20 Billion XP. Assuming we have the same rates - since I believe EU servers received the exact same boost according to https://4 gameforum.com/threads/542810/ - then the values you are getting seem to be correct.
Stop spend ur bucks on shadai boxes and they will fix it. As long as u pay they are ok.
20 billions of xp in kartia group if u do it solo. +100% nevit/+100% freya scroll/+35% clan buff/+10% exalted so in total +245% and i took about 46bil in duo. So wheres that x6 ?
+
Spending money is the only effective way for honest players to fight the cheaters. The enhanced xp from instances allowed those who were willing/able to spend at least a fighting chance to compete with the cheaters. Now you've reduced that chance by 40%. How many honest players do you expect to give up now and leave the game entirely. Whose side is NCSoft on, cheaters or payers? This is not a smart business move. What other company can decide to give customers 40% less for their money and survive?
Cheaters criticize the payers. Payers criticize the cheaters. Ones who both cheat and pay dominate the game. Ones who won't do either one leave the game in disgust.
They keep on fail, they told us that kartia xp is 6x the normal. Thats a BIG BIG lie to sell runes. Also, they told us they did it wrong, and wtf u found it after 3 months? Come on! U think we are all underage?
Why vitality doesn't affect exp on kartia group ?? im using vitality potions on the final boss and i get 0 exp bonus.... And now you nerf exp ? Why don't fix first vitality so if we kill boss with vitality we get 2x exp?
5 min ago i go to blazing swamp, with tersis, clan vitality buff and my vitality go away in 2 MOBS. then every 3 mobs i get only 0.01% (again, with tersis and clan vitality buff)...so, field farming gets nothing (no exp, no adena, no items), now kartia too..then what? we need to spend $$$$$ in runes to leveling, get gear etc?
im think nerf kartia and baylor is bad for all servers cause ppl start to leave servers due de lack of economy, leveling
Why vitality doesn't affect exp on kartia group ?? im using vitality potions on the final boss and i get 0 exp bonus.... And now you nerf exp ? Why don't fix first vitality so if we kill boss with vitality we get 2x exp?
Vitality has never increased XP from raid bosses, kalios (etc) is included :)
They keep on fail, they told us that kartia xp is 6x the normal. Thats a BIG BIG lie to sell runes. Also, they told us they did it wrong, and wtf u found it after 3 months? Come on! U think we are all underage?
It is 6x higher compared to before the patch.
You got around 3.5b exp if solo, now you get 6x higher of that = 20b.
Problem with math?
So you're saying that currently we have those rates.... and Baylor is 18x original XP?
I just got 4b XP from it in a 7 man party, what on earth is 1x XP? 220m XP, normal mobs give more?!
Yes.
If you dont remember, before this boost, you got around 300m exp or so from baylor.
5 min ago i go to blazing swamp, with tersis, clan vitality buff and my vitality go away in 2 MOBS. then every 3 mobs i get only 0.01% (again, with tersis and clan vitality buff)...so, field farming gets nothing (no exp, no adena, no items), now kartia too..then what? we need to spend $$$$$ in runes to leveling, get gear etc?
im think nerf kartia and baylor is bad for all servers cause ppl start to leave servers due de lack of economy, leveling
sorry my bad english
~17b from kama.
~8b from baylor.
~6b from k95.
That is the exp you will get, per day, if you do 1 of each kama, baylor and K95 with a full party.
Use clan buff lv. 4 and throw in a maphr for kama, and 1x freya for k95 and baylor (10 min is more than enough to kill kalios + baylor if you use it at last moment).
And you will get ~100b/exp per day, in under 1 hours "work".
It is 6x higher compared to before the patch.
You got around 3.5b exp if solo, now you get 6x higher of that = 20b.
Problem with math?
6x higher is either way on this update incuded. And they told us THEY did it. Also i dont think l2wiki incude any multiplier on its tables. So who has problem with maths? I think its u.
Keep on supporting this company.
6x higher is either way on this update incuded. And they told us THEY did it. Also i dont think l2wiki incude any multiplier on its tables. So who has problem with maths? I think its u.
Keep on supporting this company.
Please provide me with a link to an official NCWest employee claiming they increased this XP only for us.
And PS. if one region get something nice, other regions may request for it aswell.
Why on EARTH are you all crying?
Because we liked it the way it was, and we are feeling this huge wave of depression when they come out with even more overpowered brooch and jewels, at an even higher prices, and the same time they nerf a very enjoyable Kartia boost where you could actually feel like you were progressing through the game and catching up to those Lv 102/3 botters who never get banned running their aoe parties in Atelia.
Seriously, why play Lineage 2 after today?
(I have my reasons to continue playing, but MANY players do not.)
I know that the extra XP awarded by the bugged settings were enjoyed by many, but ultimately these settings were not intended and had to be reversed. It's not an ideal situation, to be sure, and we do apologize for any confusion or frustration it's caused.
So, ur "mistake" was a benefit in Zaken server for many (lvl 99 to 101 atm) and the others that don't manage to reach that lvl now for your re-adjust will be affected... thats really fair for all of us, keep the good work! :mad::mad::mad:
noobs got nothing to do all day but complain...if u dont like the xp, then dont do it.
It's not just the xp loss, but the principle behind it and the fact that this is yet another example how NCsoft continually screws us over, doesn't care about it's player base, and just wants to get as much money from us as they possibly can. Wouldn't doubt that the compounding rates have been "adjusted" to force people to spend more for over priced jewel boxes. Not this lady.
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
Thats what they write on maintence 03/november and now they say Its bug...
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
Maths please Actual k95 (kalios Increased Lvl to 98 and HP doubled) same for Baylor
Kartia 95 has Now 20b XP (50% nerf because of bug) XP Rate its 6x so...
Kartia 95 20b XP / 6 Increased Rate = 3.3b XP Base from kalios o.0
Party full Bonus = 1.63
then...
3.3b xp / 7 Party members = 473kk XP + Bonus full party
Bonus full party = 473kk XP * 0.63 = 297kk XP
473kk XP + 297kk XP bonus = 770kk XP nice nerf!
Do i remember Increaced level of kalios 6x XP rate was 28b XP to lv98 plus 50% bonus = 42b XP.
Now 8b XP was nerfed because they dont sell enought Runes, Vita pots and Most
Important people avoid Vitality consumption its 3x faster!
If someone knows better maths... please teach me, because i can be wrong in some calc, but not at the XP from instances.
I know that the extra XP awarded by the bugged settings were enjoyed by many, but ultimately these settings were not intended and had to be reversed. It's not an ideal situation, to be sure, and we do apologize for any confusion or frustration it's caused.
Let's be clear in one thing, this "server settings were bugged" is the excuse that you got from Korea and, because it came from them doesn't mean it's true.
If anyone is looking for proof, check the vitality consumption, do a test on Kartia and see how fast vitality goes down on the mobs. I remember how it was before, and it was nothing like the way it is now.
For me this doesn't surprise me, they run it like they want to cash in everything they can. It's easy to see, 2x increase on the jewels, the introduction of jewels that weren't even available in ANY other servers, it's just them trying to "milk the cow" as much as they can. It's been like that in the pass and caused some players to move to EU servers. Apparently not enough to change the way they work.
The only thing i feel sad in all of this is that Juji/Buster seem to be a pretty decent team, but they keep lacking voice when it comes to communicate with the Korean side.
In the end, all of this looks sad. Might be a good time to open your eyes and start actually listening to players instead of saying that you listen to them and do nothing.
This NCsoft "team" amaze me, it really does... :eek:
You can't even create a new NPC Tersi that doesn't despawn, or give free buffs as promised; test jewels compound before release!!!! . Now this ninja XP nerf...
You just reach a new level of unprofessionalism that I had only seen in private servers :mad:
I dont belive that ....If NcSoft have nothing to hide, If its true, If was a mistake then :
I would like to see a table like this:
Kartia Grup 85 90 95
Exp Amount before November for char 89,94,99
Exp Amount in November -January for char 89,94,99
Exp Amount -current for char 89,94,99
Baylor the same.
Just saying it was a mistake and it will stay like this...... have no value in front of us.
Give us more info, more data...its just what a partner will do!
Juji, Buster shoud we all put a ticket for that?
Oh, I forgot...you just never respond me...nvm.
Can you answer pls? "to avoid any confusion- As Buster said"
Enough with this emo cry xp/sp.Nc West did it only for dollars,no need to have much brain to understand this.They did it only for ppl buy vita pots,runes etc etc..Simple brain tactic is stop using the l2 store,or u are sheeps and u will keep bying...So enough with crying at forums and act u maggots.
Are you kidding with us players aren't you ? cuz we are not made of money , YOU did exp event in november we did not ask fot that. and now you guys come with this idiot talk ? wth , YOU NCSOFT made the exp events now , wanna make money with this guys take a look what you're doing and stop being so jerk , think in players not in the money
I particularly think super funny, you have a supposed " error " since November and came just realizing this now? You know what you're like me ? You do not want to spend time looking for this " error " or " bug " and prefer to leave it is not ? At least admit it ! Or you just want to extract more money from the players making them buy more runes and enriching experience even more of you! Sincerely? The Zaken server will be empty as fast as the existing ones and you know why? Because people were excited about the increase in experience without it is like taking candy from a child . I play Lineage 2 has more than 10 years , and lately you make only disappoint your players / public. Congratulations for a pathetic choice.
After investigating the reported lower XP rates being gained from the Kartia and Baylor instances after last week's maintenance, it was determined there were a couple of factors in play.
Although the XP earned from these instances was increased in November (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173), the XP rates were again incorrectly increased during the Reel in the Holidays event causing the inflated rates up until last week's maintenance.
As such, the current XP rates from Kartia and Baylor have been determined to be correct and will not be returning to their former values.
In order to help ease this transition, the Dragon Reward NPC will continue to be available until this week's maintenance on February 17, 2016.
If you have questions or feedback, please let us know down below.
===To ALL OF YOU NC WEST DEVS, MODS AND GM's===
YOU SERVE US A ''BUG'' AS REASON TO DRAIN THE XP OF INSTANCES!
WHY?
BECAUSE YOU WANT PUSH YOUR FAKIN VITAL JEWELS! AND BALANCE THE XP WITH THEM ON POINT OF THE BOOSTED LEVEL
GOOD JOB! NICE TRY! MAYBE YOU CAN MANIPULATE SOME IDIOTS ONLY!
This NCsoft "team" amaze me, it really does... :eek:
You can't even create a new NPC Tersi that doesn't despawn, or give free buffs as promised; test jewels compound before release!!!! . Now this ninja XP nerf...
You just reach a new level of unprofessionalism that I had only seen in private servers :mad:
hey gm and mods
why don't u guys answer to all these questions?
ppl want to know clear answer
but bottom line is this
it doesn't matter u guys correct or wrong
ppl not happy with current setting i mean majority ppl
so put back original 50% xp/sp boost for permanantly
and event boost for kartia and baylor permanantly as well
remember this will only make everybody happy and also u guys will get benefit from it
how much nccoin purchase go up when u start this event time?remember this
also only few ppl can afford with ur over price prom items
so reduce price 50% off on all items
at least all jewel set items,ultimate pack,rune set,party cake,vit main tain pots and roses
If we log into game today and do Kartia's and the bosses lvl's are not lowered to represent the old xp amounts, then like most here i'm gonna be a little..******.. If it was not right how do you actually try to justify this by only bringing back the lower xp and not the lower HP of the bosses. You messed up, so you're not gonna fix the whole thing? You're willing to leave the Higher HP bosses, but remove the xp that we get from spending a crazy amount of time trying to kill said boss? I shall log in, do a kartia and see how it works out :)
there's no Max level ingame.. Korea has many 105+ players and gear is much more a factor then level to be able to PVP.. just need to be 101+ but xp has never been this easy as in this update even with the mess on the kartia/baylor xp for realz..
Actually, if you check l2wiki (or compare exp from before this boost we have currently), you will see this XP is matching up.
Actually some months ago, I was wondering why on earth we had almost double the exp on kartia, compared to EU.
This explains it :o
Not sure about vitality consumption, that may very well have been changed, I wouldnt know.
But XP IS matching up now, that is a fact
This. People just don't remember how horrible the exp was in kartia. You could get more exp by killing just 1 mob in some of the new areas than you did for k95 boss in a full group.
this is the xp rate it should have been at.
there was a settings event which everyone loved, where the xp was increased.
the xp was dropped, but brought back up due to popular demand.
they did ninja it down, but it was a special bonus, so we shouldn't complain about it not being so great anymore.
meanwhile... i'm abstaining from L2 for Lent, so we'll see how things turn out when i come back.
it past like 3 or more days from ncsoft didnt answear to this topic... maybe they have work to do, maybe prepare for new update, maybe they try to solve "the bug". but to come on forum and say " GUYS WE NEED 1000000 days to solve this sh.it need 1 or 2 min. we just want some answears who does not come from ncsoft.thank you dudes! in 1 or 2 weeks you`ll have only znipo and the other guys who said " its ok exp" but they are 104 lvl. i`m pis.sed off!
Ok so buy some scroll and get more xp....
This game was just login, do kartia, log out.
Now it's better.
:D
You can have more xp killing mobs in new area then full group kartia
You will play with friends, with clan, pvp etc.. more fun.
And if you dont have time to play, go play barbie or fifa.
Some people join a post and make comments and they really don't understand the reason why so many are upset about this Kartia thing. If NCSoft had let everyone know that this was about to happen maybe peeps would not have bought all those Kartia passes to sell, maybe others wouldn't have bought them to use as a XP helper for characters that they didn't play normally but still wanted to lvl as that extra buffer, or healer or some such thing.
The problem is not what they did, but how they did it. Give people the chance to get rid of things that they may have purchased, or plans they may have made in a timely matter.
Also, as planned I did the k95 with dagger and ISS. The HP on the boss did not get lowered. If they are going to ninja fix what should not have happen, was the higher HP something that was suppose to be there all along? Its these unanswered questions that has peeps in an uproar. What should be rather easy for lvl101 dagger and lvl99 iss took well over a buff round. Nothing horrible about that, but if you fix something don't fix part of it, fix all of it. These are the complaints and QQ's as others say. Its the Ninja of the thing that p.isses everyone off. Give us time to take care of anything we have done, before you just randomly do some type of Ninja Half.a.ss patch.
Our Clan, will end up going to the CORE thus is a great offense to the players, the BOSS HP remains high and the very low XP, managed to convince many friends who had stopped playing, turned back by the advantages, even brought players of the European server, but some of them have already returned there have strong CLAN'S virtually almost all servers, if not Pack ERROR, who committed because it was an ERROR, a misfortune, our CLAN returned to the CORE, along with our alliances. Hopeful that we are agreeing that, and apologize to all the players in the hope that they will accept.
Due to popular demand, we are extending the XP/SP bonus from the Kartia and Baylor instances for 2 weeks, now ending on November 11th.
Bonus XP for Kartia and Baylor Instances:
• Kartia 85 Solo - 2.5x XP
• Kartia 85 Party - 1.5x XP
• Kartia 90 Solo - 5x XP
• Kartia 90 Party - 4x XP
• Kartia 95 Solo - 10x XP
• Kartia 95 Party - 11x XP
• Baylor - 26x XP
NOTE: The 50% XP/SP Boost and No XP Loss Upon Death settings will be turned off during the maintenance tomorrow as scheduled.
Although the bonuses will not be as high as the server setting event, we will consider permanently adjusting the XP/SP bonuses for these instances at a later date.
That was events rates off exp in kartias and baylor. So u lowered exp after event to those "permenant" rates. And still what was mistake u put to many x leaft server exp 5% or what hapened.
Due to popular demand, we are extending the XP/SP bonus from the Kartia and Baylor instances for 2 weeks, now ending on November 11th.
Bonus XP for Kartia and Baylor Instances:
• Kartia 85 Solo - 2.5x XP
• Kartia 85 Party - 1.5x XP
• Kartia 90 Solo - 5x XP
• Kartia 90 Party - 4x XP
• Kartia 95 Solo - 10x XP
• Kartia 95 Party - 11x XP
• Baylor - 26x XP
NOTE: The 50% XP/SP Boost and No XP Loss Upon Death settings will be turned off during the maintenance tomorrow as scheduled.
Although the bonuses will not be as high as the server setting event, we will consider permanently adjusting the XP/SP bonuses for these instances at a later date.
That was events rates off exp in kartias and baylor. So u lowered exp after event to those "permenant" rates. And still what was mistake u put to many x leaft server exp 5% or what hapened.
The rates you have there ended on November 3rd and were replaced with the rates listed here (except for the 50% bonus) - http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173
Along with that a 50% XP/SP bonus was also enabled for 1 week (ending on November 10).
During the holidays, specifically with the Reel in the Holidays event, the rates were inadvertently increased even further. The xp rates have now be set back to where they should have been all along, which is this thread here (minus the 50% bonus) - http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173
Huge disappointment. I really enjoyed doing the instances, as they provided a significant amount of XP, within a short time spent ingame; optimal value for time.
What's even worse, you decided to restore the XP with a terrible timing, just when you've messed with the brooches/jewels.
Along with that a 50% XP/SP bonus was also enabled for 1 week (ending on November 10).
During the holidays, specifically with the Reel in the Holidays event, the rates were inadvertently increased even further. The xp rates have now be set back to where they should have been all along, which is this thread here (minus the 50% bonus) - http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=286173
Unscheduled Maintenance: Tuesday, November 3rd, 2015
All game servers will be down for unscheduled maintenance on Tuesday, November 3rd, 2015, at 3:00pm PST / 5:00pm CST / 6:00pm EST / 11:00pm UTC/GMT and will end at 4:00pm PST / 6:00pm CST / 7:00pm EST / 12:00am UTC/GMT. Estimated downtime is approximately 1 hour.
With this maintenance:
An issue with NPC Grocer will be fixed.
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
Underground Server Settings will be re-enabled for 1 week. These server settings will end on November 11th, 2015.
50% XP/SP Bonus
No XP Loss Upon Death
Can you tell us wich rates we have now (not in numbers in rates plz)??
And after u tell us the currently rates i will do two questions:
1.Why u changed with purpose and later (2 months) oh surprise the rates were wrong, but 1 week ago u say u didnt knew...so is the thing u changed from begin and LIE or.... ??? Explain plz.
2.Dont Ncsoft have enough with Brooch failure (very expesive items who would be free) to add this?
3. Till when we will get Ninja patches??
Huge disappointment. I really enjoyed doing the instances, as they provided a significant amount of XP, within a short time spent ingame; optimal value for time.
What's even worse, you decided to restore the XP with a terrible timing, just when you've messed with the brooches/jewels.
Although I am aware everything is now as it was intended to be the whole time, they should have just keep things in the same state they were in already.
Unscheduled Maintenance: Tuesday, November 3rd, 2015
All game servers will be down for unscheduled maintenance on Tuesday, November 3rd, 2015, at 3:00pm PST / 5:00pm CST / 6:00pm EST / 11:00pm UTC/GMT and will end at 4:00pm PST / 6:00pm CST / 7:00pm EST / 12:00am UTC/GMT. Estimated downtime is approximately 1 hour.
With this maintenance:
An issue with NPC Grocer will be fixed.
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
Underground Server Settings will be re-enabled for 1 week. These server settings will end on November 11th, 2015.
50% XP/SP Bonus
No XP Loss Upon Death
Can you tell us wich rates we have now (not in numbers in rates plz)??
And after u tell us the currently rates i will do two questions:
1.Why u changed with purpose and later (2 months) oh surprise the rates were wrong, but 1 week ago u say u didnt knew...so is the thing u changed from begin and LIE or.... ??? Explain plz.
2.Dont Ncsoft have enough with Brooch failure (very expesive items who would be free) to add this?
3. Till when we will get Ninja patches??
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
These are definitely the rates we have now. The rates we had before were definitely messed up. I believe they incorrectly did 18x rate on k95 instead of 6x. K95 used to give 3.3b exp and now it gives 6x that at 20b. They are now correct but they should have just kept the bugged rates as they were.
Unscheduled Maintenance: Tuesday, November 3rd, 2015
All game servers will be down for unscheduled maintenance on Tuesday, November 3rd, 2015, at 3:00pm PST / 5:00pm CST / 6:00pm EST / 11:00pm UTC/GMT and will end at 4:00pm PST / 6:00pm CST / 7:00pm EST / 12:00am UTC/GMT. Estimated downtime is approximately 1 hour.
With this maintenance:
An issue with NPC Grocer will be fixed.
Kartia/Baylor instances will be permanently changed to the following XP/SP bonuses:
Kartia 85 Solo – 1.8x XP
Kartia 85 Party – 1.2x XP
Kartia 90 Solo – 3.6x XP
Kartia 90 Party - 3x XP
Kartia 95 Solo – 5.5x XP
Kartia 95 Party - 6x XP
Baylor – 18x XP
Underground Server Settings will be re-enabled for 1 week. These server settings will end on November 11th, 2015.
50% XP/SP Bonus
No XP Loss Upon Death
Can you tell us wich rates we have now (not in numbers in rates plz)??
And after u tell us the currently rates i will do two questions:
1.Why u changed with purpose and later (2 months) oh surprise the rates were wrong, but 1 week ago u say u didnt knew...so is the thing u changed from begin and LIE or.... ??? Explain plz.
2.Dont Ncsoft have enough with Brooch failure (very expesive items who would be free) to add this?
3. Till when we will get Ninja patches??
The rates you have in your post, as I said above, are the correct ones and what's currently live (except for the 50% XP/SP bonus, which ended November 11th).
The increase on top of these, which happened with the Reel in the Holidays event, was never intended and removing these added rates are all that has changed.
The brooch items were fixed with the maintenance this morning, if you're still having issues with brooches or jewels please let us know. And although I know that unscheduled maintenances (what I assume you mean by "ninja patches") are not fun, sometimes they are necessary in order to correct issues as quickly as possible.
Can you check the Kartia bosses HP? Are they correct? With the XP "bug", we used to get a lot of XP, so it didn't bother me taking some more time to kill it, but now the HP/XP ratio seems a little off. Thanks.
Can you check the Kartia bosses HP? Are they correct? With the XP "bug", we used to get a lot of XP, so it didn't bother me taking some more time to kill it, but now the HP/XP ratio seems a little off. Thanks.
The hp was boosted for THESE rates that we have RIGHT now. If they were to lower the hp, they would have to lower the exp back to the original amount of 3.3b. Read what other people post next time before saying the same thing that has been addressed many times.
And although I know that unscheduled maintenances (what I assume you mean by "ninja patches") are not fun, sometimes they are necessary in order to correct issues as quickly as possible.
What one means for ninja patches are changes made during maintenance, that are not announced in the week's notes. Like the sudden change in XP given by K/Bay
The hp was boosted for THESE rates that we have RIGHT now. If they were to lower the hp, they would have to lower the exp back to the original amount of 3.3b. Read what other people post next time before saying the same thing that has been addressed many times.
I have read what other people posted before, but I just would like for someone of NCWest staff to check it, that's all. Not complaining, just, as I said, it seems a little off.
Even in the original boost, they only mention the XP/SP increases, not HP. Yes, it's OK to increase the HP as well for the extra XP/SP, but I didn't see anything official about this change. If you saw it, please show me.
I'm sorry if my post being same topic of many upsets you, but nothing has being officially said about it (I might have missed it though).
What one means for ninja patches are changes made during maintenance, that are not announced in the week's notes. Like the sudden change in XP given by K/Bay
true but what ppl here fail to notice or just prefer to ignore is that in this case the first "ninja" patch was the actual mistaken increase of said XP which is kind of obvious once you realize that was just a Bug..
now I fully agree they should have made a clear announcement the moment they realized said bug and to let ppl know it would be rectified on the next maintenance and be done with it.
L2 on NCWest has very limited staff & resources so these issues of late are mostly due to rushing things and no clear communication between them, their Korean counter parts and eventually us the NA Player base.. let's hope that on their side they've learned from what went wrong here and make sure it won't happen again so we can all move on.
I have read what other people posted before, but I just would like for someone of NCWest staff to check it, that's all. Not complaining, just, as I said, it seems a little off.
Even in the original boost, they only mention the XP/SP increases, not HP. Yes, it's OK to increase the HP as well for the extra XP/SP, but I didn't see anything official about this change. If you saw it, please show me.
I'm sorry if my post being same topic of many upsets you, but nothing has being officially said about it (I might have missed it though).
It was announced and I hate to say it but it's ancient Game mechanics: mobs XP get increased so does their HP or simpler said the more HP a mob has the more XP it gives.
What one means for ninja patches are changes made during maintenance, that are not announced in the week's notes. Like the sudden change in XP given by K/Bay
Exactly. I think there would've been a lot less drama about this issue it we would've been announced, but we weren't, hence ninja patch.
The fact is it was a bug, however the way it's been handled was terrible and needlessly caused a lot of bad feelings.
What we got was:
- Oh no the cake you were enjoying is gone, we'll find it....
- Actually, no, we won't, we screwed up by giving it you in the first place so now you can't have it.
IMO what would've been better is:
- Oh no the cake you were enjoying is gone, we'll find it....
- Actually we found out you weren't meant to have the cake, however this was our fault.
- Here, have one more week of cake but then we'll have to remove it because it was a bug, sorry.
E.G. Ease out the issue.
Of course opinions/facts about the boosted xp and how it was brining players back to the game, making people buy expensive Kartia passes and runes and helping noobs get to 99 to join in higher end content is irrelevant. NC obviously have a vested interest in keeping the XP low, was a good point since it makes people play longer, however I'm not too sure what the benefit in this is since there's no level cap and the mobs are blue at 101.
Of course opinions/facts about the boosted xp and how it was brining players back to the game, making people buy expensive Kartia passes and runes and helping noobs get to 99 to join in higher end content is irrelevant. NC obviously have a vested interest in keeping the XP low, was a good point since it makes people play longer, however I'm not too sure what the benefit in this is since there's no level cap and the mobs are blue at 101.
That is the meaning on the expansion "Infinite Odyssey" I guess lol words became literal.
The fact is it was a bug, however the way it's been handled was terrible and needlessly caused a lot of bad feelings.
What we got was:
- Oh no the cake you were enjoying is gone, we'll find it....
- Actually, no, we won't, we screwed up by giving it you in the first place so now you can't have it.
IMO what would've been better is:
- Oh no the cake you were enjoying is gone, we'll find it....
- Actually we found out you weren't meant to have the cake, however this was our fault.
- Here, have one more week of cake but then we'll have to remove it because it was a bug, sorry.
E.G. Ease out the issue.
Of course opinions/facts about the boosted xp and how it was brining players back to the game, making people buy expensive Kartia passes and runes and helping noobs get to 99 to join in higher end content is irrelevant. NC obviously have a vested interest in keeping the XP low, was a good point since it makes people play longer, however I'm not too sure what the benefit in this is since there's no level cap and the mobs are blue at 101.
Ok u lowered the xp rate , but why u lowered the drops ??I do k95 group solo and from a week or so instead of getting r95 recipe + EAR or EWR + 2-3 elcyum + crafting piece i get only half . For example today i got only a crafting piece + EAR :(
Ok u lowered the xp rate , but why u lowered the drops ??I do k95 group solo and from a week or so instead of getting r95 recipe + EAR or EWR + 2-3 elcyum + crafting piece i get only half . For example today i got only a crafting piece + EAR :(
There is a drop penalty starting at 3 lvl or higher than the raid boss, kalios is 98, thus at lv. 101 you will suffer drop penalty.
15 minute instance, 20b exp.
Waste of time? no way :eek:
I assume that's sarcasm?
Yes 20b xp with runes to solo a 'group' instance is terrible when the goal level is 103 now, it's not even 0.1% a day past 100, maybe it would be decent back when 99 was the cap and end goal.
Plus it's only 15 minutes if you have a stacked Evis/Titan, usually 20-25 solo now with bosses boosted HP.
it's a waste of time for ppl who do AF Instance in less then 12min.. 2x kama 2x af + Gludio on max boost = ~3k Bil xp which btw at lvl 103 is just 1% xp, still not bad for not even 1.5hr worth of time
it's a waste of time for ppl who do AF Instance in less then 12min.. 2x kama 2x af + Gludio on max boost = ~3k Bil xp which btw at lvl 103 is just 1% xp, still not bad for not even 1.5hr worth of time
Hmm, I got 2x K99 and 2x AF clocked at just over 800b XP with Freya + 100% rune on my reset screen.
Regardless, it's far too low xp for people to bother spending ncoin or time on now unless they're people who have no ncoin or don't really care much about levelling up.
I suppose one good thing is me and a lot of others will save lots of money now since there's no point leveling alts and buying those 200% runes, vit pots and passes for Kartia and Baylor anymore.
Hmm, I got 2x K99 and 2x AF clocked at just over 800b XP with Freya + 100% rune on my reset screen.
Regardless, it's far too low xp for people to bother spending ncoin or time on now unless they're people who have no ncoin or don't really care much about levelling up.
I suppose one good thing is me and a lot of others will save lots of money now since there's no point leveling alts and buying those 200% runes, vit pots and passes for Kartia and Baylor anymore.
Yeah, that's what kills me. Even at 99 k95 group ina duo is barely worth it. The only reason I still do it is it's SOME xp, and it's decent for my 97 boxed iss.
But that's all it is.. just ok. Not worth running runes, vit pots, buying passes for, etc.
But before this it was. I was getting everything stacked up. 200% xp runes, vit holders, etc. Passes for both me and the iss. It was even worth it at 100 without a doubt.
Whenever my dual hits 100, or my iss hits 99, k95 will become completely useless and a waste of time and energy to do.
Yes 20b xp with runes to solo a 'group' instance is terrible when the goal level is 103 now, it's not even 0.1% a day past 100, maybe it would be decent back when 99 was the cap and end goal.
Plus it's only 15 minutes if you have a stacked Evis/Titan, usually 20-25 solo now with bosses boosted HP.
She said below lv. 99, implying a lv. 99 > 100 should not bother with it.
Of course im not being sarcastic, 20b exp is still great exp on that level especially since it is almost no work at all. (its 20b base exp btw, without any boosts)
Heck, if you throw in a maphr scroll at the end, that is 60b/exp in 15 minutes without any real investment.
Show me an instance or hunting spot a lv. 99 can farm 20b exp in 15 minutes, to my experience, it is not possible.
Even if you were level 103, im sure not many people could farm that much while hunting solo somewhere.
But either way, no matter how you look at it..
Solo group k95 = 20b exp
Dark rider with 7 man PT = 17b exp.
99% of the server is making kamaloka runs with full party, so how you all say k95 sucks is beyond me :D
She said below lv. 99, implying a lv. 99 > 100 should not bother with it.
Of course im not being sarcastic, 20b exp is great on that level, show me an instance (or hunting spot) a lv. 99 can farm 20b exp in 15 minutes?
(And its 20b base exp, not with runes)
heck, throw in a maphr rune at the end = 60b exp in 15 min with basically no investment.
Even if lv. 103, im sure not many could get that much hunting all alone?
No matter how you look at it, k95 group solo = better exp than full party kamaloka run. (of course only counting the last boss)
99% of the server is making kamaloka runs with full party, so how you all say k95 sucks is beyond me :D
i just think at 99+ its better to do kama instead of k95 due to the xp from kartia to be hardly anything especialy for those who cant afford to purchase a crap load of ncoin
you guys got it a bit backwards, the only reason in the past to do K95 was for the drops and that hasn't changed so just buy a 200% drop rune instead now ;)
i just think at 99+ its better to do kama instead of k95 due to the xp from kartia to be hardly anything especialy for those who cant afford to purchase a crap load of ncoin
It still doesnt change the fact you can solo k95 with practically any DD with iss assisting you (boxing is super easy aswell).
If you want to do it the cheap way, just grab a vitality suspending potion (40 NCoin/30 min), and use a maphr/freya scroll at the end of the run.
Solo kalios = 20b base exp.
7 man Dark rider = 17b base exp.
(Most people make kamaloka with full party, so comparing k95 group solo with 7 man kamaloka is very relevant)
you guys got it a bit backwards, the only reason in the past to do K95 was for the drops and that hasn't changed so just buy a 200% drop rune instead now ;)
Easy to say when you have a CP that "Can kill AF instance in 12 minutes", get down to earth and realize not everyone
1. Spends as much money as you.
2. Lucky to have such a good CP as you.
Doing k95 group solo is still very good exp, no matter what level you are.
Period.
It still doesnt change the fact you can solo k95 with practically any DD with iss assisting you (boxing is super easy aswell).
If you want to do it the cheap way, just grab a vitality suspending potion (40 NCoin/30 min), and use a maphr/freya scroll at the end of the run.
Solo kalios = 20b base exp.
7 man Dark rider = 17b base exp.
(Most people make kamaloka with full party, so comparing k95 group solo with 7 man kamaloka is very relevant)
Easy to say when you have a CP that "Can kill AF instance in 12 minutes", get down to earth and realize not everyone
1. Spends as much money as you.
2. Lucky to have such a good CP as you.
Doing k95 group solo is still very good exp, no matter what level you are.
Period.
understood but most people want to duo with an iss instead of a healer well at least thats what iv seen for quite a while now and with my current gear it would be impossible to make any decent damage on any mob
r95 robes not enchanted
shadow buster +0 not the full one
basic jewls including blessed freya
no decent tali etc
so yea my gear is quite bad to do a solo k95 let alone duo
understood but most people want to duo with an iss instead of a healer well at least thats what iv seen for quite a while now and with my current gear it would be impossible to make any decent damage on any mob
r95 robes not enchanted
shadow buster +0 not the full one
basic jewls including blessed freya
no decent tali etc
so yea my gear is quite bad to do a solo k95 let alone duo
p.s
donations in gear always welcome <3
Of course, apologies, i was referring to DDs now :p
As an healer it is surely a pain, the way everyone was talking, it sounds like "It is a waste of time for everyone", which really isnt the case :o
Easy to say when you have a CP that "Can kill AF instance in 12 minutes", get down to earth and realize not everyone
1. Spends as much money as you.
2. Lucky to have such a good CP as you.
Doing k95 group solo is still very good exp, no matter what level you are.
Period.
1. K95 is bad and a waste of time for anyone 102+
2. many ppl around that spent more then me just not many that actually spent it on max xp boost :)
3. I don't have a CP just a decent Friend List with ppl who know how to play this game
It also helps to not be greedy and help friends lvl up their alt ISS to 101 for more POM access - Epic Tauti 30 sec raid cause 4 DD's all had POM and we just killed it thru the healing mobs lolz
L2 is all about the long haul planning and investing in ingame Friendships is one of the best things to do imo :)
1. K95 is bad and a waste of time for anyone 102+
2. many ppl around that spent more then me just not many that actually spent it on max xp boost :)
3. I don't have a CP just a decent Friend List with ppl who know how to play this game
It also helps to not be greedy and help friends lvl up their alt ISS to 101 for more POM access - Epic Tauti 30 sec raid cause 4 DD's all had POM and we just killed it thru the healing mobs lolz
L2 is all about the long haul planning and investing in ingame Friendships is one of the best things to do imo :)
1. So after you've done all your instances, imagine you're bored.
Would you rather go grind (alone), or make a quick k95?
Cause trust me, the k95 is going to give you higher exp, which just proves my point.
How you can argue the fact 20b base exp is bad when you earn it in 15 minutes? :eek:
To put in perspective, AF instance boss (Burnstein) gives you like 25-30b base exp when done with a full party.
Are you still sure about 20b base exp from kalios is bad?
2. Obviously I meant on XP Boosts, im sure some people out there have spent 10x more than you just to make their apocalypse weapons 16+ some years ago :D
1 aoe pull of mobs in AF gives more xp then the K95 though.. as said K95 is fine upto a point and mostly more for the easy drops to make money then xp imo
We do AF instance 8mins 1 titan 102, 1 evi 101, 2 iss with pom, 2 healers (1 with Giant Critical weakness) :)
Ego-boosting aside Drake does have a point if your cp is composed of stacked players comparing K95 party exp from AF instance exp/AF exp is hands down a no contest K95 party is a waste of time. With that said not all people in this game has end game gears and wouldn't be able to accomplish the same feat as the stacked players or even lure in AF 7-8 groups this "normal" players at most can only do 1 groups or 2 the most and the killing speed ain't that fast so if you ask me K95 is still descent for those "normal" players as a way to get extra exp cause lets be honest back then when the instances were "bugged" instances alone could get any player to 101 in a few days which made this game looks like a private server :D
We do AF instance 8mins 1 titan 102, 1 evi 101, 2 iss with pom, 2 healers (1 with Giant Critical weakness) :)
Ego-boosting aside Drake does have a point if your cp is composed of stacked players comparing K95 party exp from AF instance exp/AF exp is hands down a no contest K95 party is a waste of time. With that said not all people in this game has end game gears and wouldn't be able to accomplish the same feat as the stacked players or even lure in AF 7-8 groups this "normal" players at most can only do 1 groups or 2 the most and the killing speed ain't that fast so if you ask me K95 is still descent for those "normal" players as a way to get extra exp cause lets be honest back then when the instances were "bugged" instances alone could get any player to 101 in a few days which made this game looks like a private server :D
Of course, comparing k95 with AF is obviously stupid as exp from AF will be several times higher..
But still dont change the fact K95 gives decent exp that cannot be farmed alone (unless "OP class" with stacked gear to solo kill mobs in AF at good speed) :)
Of course, comparing k95 with AF is obviously stupid as exp from AF will be several times higher..
But still dont change the fact K95 gives decent exp that cannot be farmed alone (unless "OP class" with stacked gear to solo kill mobs in AF at good speed) :)
You also seem to forget the fact that the players your talking about can't solo K95 either, if they can it'll take them 45 mins or so (if they're lucky enough to have a box iss 95+). Players with 95+ boxes generally have good enough gear to farm better XP elsewhere (EV orso).
Crying about K95 rate is like 3+ years ago, sea of tears, when NC established almost perma +100 % exp, when GoD was incoming.
85 were crying it was boring, and all should be anyway 85/85 ( it was like 6+ months)
85- were crying that is to short :S
What NC did?
As always ignored all people here, that time I could see at that forum, really for short time - Necro_Prince and Moderator1 (from mine footer :) )
And yes Moderator1 Said what NC thinks about you guys - "I don't care!"
You also seem to forget the fact that the players your talking about can't solo K95 either, if they can it'll take them 45 mins or so (if they're lucky enough to have a box iss 95+). Players with 95+ boxes generally have good enough gear to farm better XP elsewhere (EV orso).
EV > all, good xp and spoil :D
So come back to Naia!
old server, old farmers, no thx
We do AF instance 8mins 1 titan 102, 1 evi 101, 2 iss with pom, 2 healers (1 with Giant Critical weakness) :)
Ego-boosting aside Drake does have a point if your cp is composed of stacked players comparing K95 party exp from AF instance exp/AF exp is hands down a no contest K95 party is a waste of time. With that said not all people in this game has end game gears and wouldn't be able to accomplish the same feat as the stacked players or even lure in AF 7-8 groups this "normal" players at most can only do 1 groups or 2 the most and the killing speed ain't that fast so if you ask me K95 is still descent for those "normal" players as a way to get extra exp cause lets be honest back then when the instances were "bugged" instances alone could get any player to 101 in a few days which made this game looks like a private server :D