I'm curious what damage Feohs currently do on the following boss per hit with ELEMENTAL SPIKE nuke:
NM Kama - Dark Rider
Of course it depends on many factors like partysetup, debuffs on boss, buffs on yourself etc etc., so I'm only asking for some very average numbers per standard hit and crit.
Along with your damage also mention what Feoh class you play, your lvl and used element. Interesting would be to get some details about your Matk and your Gear using the following table:
Feoh Class:
Your Lvl:
Your Element:
Your Matk:
Your Weapon + SAs:
Your Gear:
Average nuke dmg:
Average crit dmg:
I'm curious what damage Feohs do on the following bosses per hit:
K95 Group - Kalios
NM Kama - Dark Rider
Baylor
State your average damage per standard hit and per crit with any of the main nukes. Of course it depends on many factors like partysetup, debuffs on boss, buffs used etc etc., so I'm only asking for some very average numbers.
Along with your damage also mention what Feoh class you play and, if you want, some details about your gear.
Feoh Class: SoulTaker
Your Lvl: 100
Your Element: 450 water
Your Matk: 109,324 ISS buffs and dances only
Your Weapon + SAs: +10 Dark Retri Acumen/wild and Acumen/Mystic
Your Gear: +12/10 R99 robe set,B. Valakas, Istina ring, anthy, istina earring,B. Valakas, sapphire level 5,longing, venir lvl 13.
Average nuke dmg: 500-800
Average crit dmg: 1.8k-2k
lvl 100 Feoh Soultaker:
Boss: Dark Rider
Nuke: elemental spike +6 wild
Average nuke: 600-800
Average crit: 1800-2k
Gear: +10 Dark retri, 300 Water Crit/crit dmg/Acumen SAs, level 5 sapphire, etc
Thanks for reply!
One question: +6 wild enchant: Does it really work and ignore the 32% cap? I still havent tested this myself, but I always had doubts.
I don't notice a difference. With oly buffs and gear, my m.crit is around 345 and I crit about 30% of the time.
I just tested and changed my Elemental Spike +10 to Wild, 500 nukes and I counted all crits. Result was even a little bit lower compared to +10 Power. So it is clear the cap of 32% is fixed, no matter what and if you have a crit rate of 320 and up, no use in enchanting to Wild. Sadly.
I just tested and changed my Elemental Spike +10 to Wild, 500 nukes and I counted all crits. Result was even a little bit lower compared to +10 Power. So it is clear the cap of 32% is fixed, no matter what and if you have a crit rate of 320 and up, no use in enchanting to Wild. Sadly.
I'm curious what damage Feohs currently do on the following boss per hit with ELEMENTAL SPIKE nuke:
NM Kama - Dark Rider
Of course it depends on many factors like partysetup, debuffs on boss, buffs on yourself etc etc., so I'm only asking for some very average numbers per standard hit and crit.
Along with your damage also mention what Feoh class you play, your lvl and used element. Interesting would be to get some details about your Matk and your Gear using the following table:
Feoh Class:
Your Lvl:
Your Element:
Your Matk:
Your Weapon + SAs:
Your Gear:
Average nuke dmg:
Average crit dmg:
Feoh Class: Feoh Archmage
Your Lvl: 102/16 AP
Your Element: Wind/420
Your Matk: Unbuffed 65,595/Buffed 252,875 (Standard Iss Buffs, Int Stew, Rose)
Your Weapon + SAs: +13 Bloody Retri, Stage 6 Mystic/Stage 6 HP/Mystic, Augment: Atk.Speed +45/M.Skill Crit. Dmg 15%
Your Gear: +8 Bloody Eternal, Blessed Valakas, Queen Ant Soul, Baium Soul, Anthy Earring, Blessed Zaken Earring, Lv4 Sapphire,
Longing Talisman, Venir Stage 12, Abundance Lv1, Wind Talisman Passive M.Skill Crit Dmg 10%, Spike +11 Power
Average nuke dmg: 2400-3500 (Spike/Crash)
Average crit dmg: 7500-11k (Spike/Crash)
Interesting post. I've been watching my damage closely doing K99 and tweaking it the best I can. About a week ago I was buffed to the hilt and pulled up my stats and my m.atk was at 935,347!
That's an all time high for me. :D Here's a screen shot.
Feoh Class: Feoh Archmage
Your Lvl: 101/16 AP
Your Element: Wind/420
Your Matk: Unbuffed 65,595/Buffed 252,875 (Standard Iss Buffs, Int Stew, Rose)
Your Weapon + SAs: +13 Bloody Retri, Stage 6 Empower/Stage 6 HP/Mystic, Augment: Atk.Speed +45/M.Skill Crit. Dmg 15%
Your Gear: +8 Bloody Eternal, Blessed Valakas, Queen Ant Soul, Baium Soul, Anthy Earring, Blessed Zaken Earring, Lv4 Sapphire,
Longing Talisman, Venir Stage 12, Abundance Lv1, Wind Talisman Passive M.Skill Crit Dmg 10%, Spike +11 Power
Average nuke dmg: 2400-3500 (Spike/Crash)
Average crit dmg: 7500-11k (Spike/Crash)
Interesting post. I've been watching my damage closely doing K99 and tweaking it the best I can. About a week ago I was buffed to the hilt and pulled up my stats and my m.atk was at 935,347!
That's an all time high for me. :D Here's a screen shot.
Sadly that is still extremely low. I believe a stacked iss could do much more... Feoh definitely needs a raid boss damage boost to at least be the same as an average DD.
Sadly that is still extremely low. I believe a stacked iss could do much more... Feoh definitely needs a raid boss damage boost to at least be the same as an average DD.
What would you say the average damage is in there? Honestly, I don't see any way I could increase my damage any more than it is without breaking the bank. It's tough to give a damage estimate. At least for me it is because I'm constantly spamming Spike/Crash, Destruction and then my aoe skills. Our single nukes are crap. Aoe skills are a totally different matter. They do some pretty awesome damage.
What would you say the average damage is in there? Honestly, I don't see any way I could increase my damage any more than it is without breaking the bank. It's tough to give a damage estimate. At least for me it is because I'm constantly spamming Spike/Crash, Destruction and then my aoe skills. Our single nukes are crap. Aoe skills are a totally different matter. They do some pretty awesome damage.
I am able to improve my damage by quite a bit more and I do more damage without br/frenzy/furious slasher by a fair amount. I didn't intend to insult you at all. Just stating that feoh's raid damage needs a boost because yes your damage with br/ws/dc might be the same or more damage than a poorly geared melee dd but imagine how low the damage is for an average or poorly geared nuker.
The divide between a feoh and all the other DDs is extreme.
I am able to improve my damage by quite a bit more and I do more damage without br/frenzy/furious slasher by a fair amount. I didn't intend to insult you at all. Just stating that feoh's raid damage needs a boost because yes your damage with br/ws/dc might be the same or more damage than a poorly geared melee dd but imagine how low the damage is for an average or poorly geared nuker.
The divide between a feoh and all the other DDs is extreme.
I definitely agree with you and not holding my breath for any drastic changes in the near future. Pm me in-game if you come up with any brilliant suggestions. ;)
Considering you're about as stacked as it gets, that is really terrible and shows just how badly feohs need a PVE boost.
My dualclass wynn can outdamage that DPS 2-3 times over, at lv. 100 wearing a kelbim bow and lv. 3 ruby.. Just crazy.
I've heard so many different things about gear for a wynn it ain't funny. My dual is lvl 100 wynn arcana lord. I don't play it that much and when I was leveling from 99 to 100 in Kama my dps sucked! I basically use the same set up on my wynn as I do on my feoh.
I've heard so many different things about gear for a wynn it ain't funny. My dual is lvl 100 wynn arcana lord. I don't play it that much and when I was leveling from 99 to 100 in Kama my dps sucked! I basically use the same set up on my wynn as I do on my feoh.
I see alot of wynns attacking without transforms, maybe thats the case?
My DPS is just terrible when im attacking without them, marks does not make up for the loss of damage, thus i just put STR dyes and full P. Atk in AP.
Naviarope is of course the best one, ~15 min duration with 25 minute or so cooldown.
Just did my first "solo" kama on wynn, took me just under 30 minutes :D
When you're on a dual wynn, even with the same gear, it likely isn't as stacked. For example, you'd want different hair accessory, dual skill, SA's, weapon aug (+giant crit if you really want to stack), ruby, leather over robes, probably a few other things to really maximize damage. All told, could easily double your damage
Since I am on a budget rocking my robes from my healer main, but with decent retributer which you have, you can do some amazing amazing damage, even out of xform if you are the only wynn for MoW. Just do youself a favor don't use a **** bow...
When you're on a dual wynn, even with the same gear, it likely isn't as stacked. For example, you'd want different hair accessory, dual skill, SA's, weapon aug (+giant crit if you really want to stack), ruby, leather over robes, probably a few other things to really maximize damage. All told, could easily double your damage
That might be true. I'm using a +13 bloody retri and +8 bloody robes. At this stage of the game I'm not ready to go ahead and spend more adena for +8 leather, going for ruby (I have lv4 sapphire), changing tats to STR, etc, etc. My AP is set up for p.atk. If I ever found a str/p.atk hair acc might pick one up and tats maybe sometime. Just not sure if I really want to since I rarely play my dual. My list of feoh gear is in my original reply to this post... that we sort of hijacked. :D
I'm curious what damage Feohs currently do on the following boss per hit with ELEMENTAL SPIKE nuke:
NM Kama - Dark Rider
Of course it depends on many factors like partysetup, debuffs on boss, buffs on yourself etc etc., so I'm only asking for some very average numbers per standard hit and crit.
Along with your damage also mention what Feoh class you play, your lvl and used element. Interesting would be to get some details about your Matk and your Gear using the following table:
Feoh Class:
Your Lvl:
Your Element:
Your Matk:
Your Weapon + SAs:
Your Gear:
Average nuke dmg:
Average crit dmg:
We just kept the thread going while you were afk. :D Btw, let's see your setup since you started this. :D
Haha, okay.
Although my equip looks pityful after yours and Mich4el's, anyway here we go:
Feoh Class: Feoh Class: StormScreamer
Your Lvl: 100, Dual 95
Your Element: 490 Water Attack
Your Matk: yesterday 285K w/Emp Echo, Arcane Power, Int Stew, Rose, Air Rider EMP, no good party solidarity, clanbuff lv. 1
Your Weapon + SAs + Augm.: Weapon Matk 692 (no PVP/PVE), HP, Castspeed, McritDmg, 70 Attack Attribute
Your Gear: Bless R95 Robe set +8, Int+Matk Hat, Hunter, Hellfire, Venir 12, Nurka, Opal 4, Sapphire 4, Int+15 Dyes, Istina Wiz Ring, AQ Soul, Orfen Soul, Blessed Zaken, normal Valakas, AP offensive as it gets
Average nuke dmg: 1,7 - 2,3
Average Crit dmg: 5,5 - 6,5
The easiest fix might be to lower mdef of raids.
This.
I remember when that change (higher MDEF on RB) was implemented some years ago.
Now in NM Kama I usually hit the minions for 100k or 150k while the boss gets 2k from me.
In Kalios Group Solo 2 AOEs are enough to kill the complete wave of trashmobs, and after that I have to nuke the boss for 15 or 20min.... (if not debuffed/no ISS with me).
Even though I think it works as intended, still there's always hope for another ninja patch ;)
Feoh Class: Feoh Archmage
Your Lvl: 101/16 AP
Your Element: Wind/420
Your Matk: Unbuffed 65,595/Buffed 252,875 (Standard Iss Buffs, Int Stew, Rose)
Your Weapon + SAs: +13 Bloody Retri, Stage 6 Empower/Stage 6 HP/Mystic, Augment: Atk.Speed +45/M.Skill Crit. Dmg 15%
Your Gear: +8 Bloody Eternal, Blessed Valakas, Queen Ant Soul, Baium Soul, Anthy Earring, Blessed Zaken Earring, Lv4 Sapphire,
Longing Talisman, Venir Stage 12, Abundance Lv1, Wind Talisman Passive M.Skill Crit Dmg 10%, Spike +11 Power
Average nuke dmg: 2400-3500 (Spike/Crash)
Average crit dmg: 7500-11k (Spike/Crash)
Interesting post. I've been watching my damage closely doing K99 and tweaking it the best I can. About a week ago I was buffed to the hilt and pulled up my stats and my m.atk was at 935,347!
That's an all time high for me. :D Here's a screen shot.
Feoh Class: Feoh Archmage
Your Lvl: 101/16 AP
Your Element: Wind/420
Your Matk: Unbuffed 65,595/Buffed 252,875 (Standard Iss Buffs, Int Stew, Rose)
Your Weapon + SAs: +13 Bloody Retri, Stage 6 Empower/Stage 6 HP/Mystic, Augment: Atk.Speed +45/M.Skill Crit. Dmg 15%
Your Gear: +8 Bloody Eternal, Blessed Valakas, Queen Ant Soul, Baium Soul, Anthy Earring, Blessed Zaken Earring, Lv4 Sapphire,
Longing Talisman, Venir Stage 12, Abundance Lv1, Wind Talisman Passive M.Skill Crit Dmg 10%, Spike +11 Power
Average nuke dmg: 2400-3500 (Spike/Crash)
Average crit dmg: 7500-11k (Spike/Crash)
Interesting post. I've been watching my damage closely doing K99 and tweaking it the best I can. About a week ago I was buffed to the hilt and pulled up my stats and my m.atk was at 935,347!
That's an all time high for me. :D Here's a screen shot.
You mages with Arcane barrier, don't have MP SA's on your weapons?
Not necessary if a mage knows how to manage their MP with Body To Mind. I now have a Lv.5 aquamarine and don't even think about my MP any longer. One of the best investments I ever made. ;)
Not necessary if a mage knows how to manage their MP with Body To Mind. I now have a Lv.5 aquamarine and don't even think about my MP any longer. One of the best investments I ever made. ;)
I'm talking about for olympiad. If archer hitting u for 30k, thats 3k of ur mp gone in one hit. At some point u are going to need mp to nuke back or blink.
I'm talking about for olympiad. If archer hitting u for 30k, thats 3k of ur mp gone in one hit. At some point u are going to need mp to nuke back or blink.
When an archer hits me it's usually for a lot more than 30k. I don't do Oly. Never have and never will. :D
Interesting post guys, I'm not going to fill out the results cause its the same... Iss buffed I hit in Kama for around 2-3k with 12-18k crits.
on 101 feoh soultaker. story is always the same and damage dosen't go up much even with slowly upgrading all gear.
So knowing my M.atk will never be a storm screamers, I thought I would play a bit with some other parts. Still keeping M.atk as a main focus but as secondary playing with my HP.
The nice thing about the soultaker is self heal off your pet, and transfer pain. atm without doing much I have around 45k hp and another 70% hp from my summons hp, so if the damage does not by-pass transfer pain I'm sitting around 100k hp. Not bad for a mage imo.
Interesting post guys, I'm not going to fill out the results cause its the same... Iss buffed I hit in Kama for around 2-3k with 12-18k crits.
on 101 feoh soultaker. story is always the same and damage dosen't go up much even with slowly upgrading all gear.
So knowing my M.atk will never be a storm screamers, I thought I would play a bit with some other parts. Still keeping M.atk as a main focus but as secondary playing with my HP.
The nice thing about the soultaker is self heal off your pet, and transfer pain. atm without doing much I have around 45k hp and another 70% hp from my summons hp, so if the damage does not by-pass transfer pain I'm sitting around 100k hp. Not bad for a mage imo.
Boosting M. Atk is not a very good way to increase your damage output.
Grab M. Skill Critical boosts, thats how you get the majority of damage increase.
i.e if you have 500k M. Atk and is making 10k damage..
If you somehow boosted to 1 million M. Atk, you would only make 12.5k damage.
Thats why i always smack my head when I see "top feohs" with Empower SA, instead of M. Critical damage SA :D
(Of course sooner or later you will need to boost M. Atk when you already boosted m skill crit all you can)
Boosting M. Atk is not a very good way to increase your damage output.
Grab M. Skill Critical boosts, thats how you get the majority of damage increase.
i.e if you have 500k M. Atk and is making 10k damage..
If you somehow boosted to 1 million M. Atk, you would only make 12.5k damage.
Thats why i always smack my head when I see "top feohs" with Empower SA, instead of M. Critical damage SA :D
(Of course sooner or later you will need to boost M. Atk when you already boosted m skill crit all you can)
Ya sorry your right, I go for M.crit damage Options, I meant that I still get INT tattoos and sapphire instead lets say Con or WIT or whatever.
And your right, so many times I see a Feoh link a weapon with casting speed and M.Crit rate on it and I laugh.
That might be true. I'm using a +13 bloody retri and +8 bloody robes. At this stage of the game I'm not ready to go ahead and spend more adena for +8 leather, going for ruby (I have lv4 sapphire), changing tats to STR, etc, etc. My AP is set up for p.atk. If I ever found a str/p.atk hair acc might pick one up and tats maybe sometime. Just not sure if I really want to since I rarely play my dual. My list of feoh gear is in my original reply to this post... that we sort of hijacked. :D
The level of your Wynn matters greatly. Some of these "experts" are probably levels higher than your Wynn.
For example My Feoh has higher stats than all of the posters here but it's damage output is lower (same as Mich4el; which is odd b/c I don't have Eternal Robes, Lv.13 venir, Longing, +10 Retributer, or Blessed Valakas) because of it's level.
The level of your Wynn matters greatly. Some of these "experts" are probably levels higher than your Wynn.
For example My Feoh has higher stats than all of the posters here but it's damage output is lower (same as Mich4el; which is odd b/c I don't have Eternal Robes, Lv.13 venir, Longing, +10 Retributer, or Blessed Valakas) because of it's level.
I got my Wynn Arcana Lord to level 100 for the exalted quest and haven't leveled it since. My main (Feoh) is now 103 and haven't really xp'd much on it either. I'm pretty much on a break at this point. Got tired of spending money on coins and not seeing it making any notable difference. Plus the fact that I'm just plain BORED! :D
I got my Wynn Arcana Lord to level 100 for the exalted quest and haven't leveled it since. My main (Feoh) is now 103 and haven't really xp'd much on it either. I'm pretty much on a break at this point. Got tired of spending money on coins and not seeing it making any notable difference. Plus the fact that I'm just plain BORED! :D
I totally understand and agree. I've been making posts about that very issue but haven't gotten a significant response from any of the GM's yet on here or through petitions.
I've been playing since beta and it seems as though game development has gone down hill since GoD.
The level of your Wynn matters greatly. Some of these "experts" are probably levels higher than your Wynn.
For example My Feoh has higher stats than all of the posters here but it's damage output is lower (same as Mich4el; which is odd b/c I don't have Eternal Robes, Lv.13 venir, Longing, +10 Retributer, or Blessed Valakas) because of it's level.
Your feoh is lv. 100+, so your damage in almost every hunting place is not nerfed, and that extra "10 power" from lv. 101 skills compared to lv. 100 skills does not increase your damage by alot.
(Of course in the new zones it might be, but im talking about kamaloka and such - as this thread was made before helios)
So yeah, your problem is you're aiming for M. Atk rather than M. Critical damage, im pretty sure.
@znipoo is right, but other classes dont need OP gear to be competitive, cause they already have increased critical damage in their buffs. Even so, test an equal geared and lvl yul vs feoh, I bet you the feoh wont even drop the yuls cp. I`m not saying feohs should eat every1 alive or be above yuls, they never were and never should be, but at least they should have a chance to win.
@znipoo is right, but other classes dont need OP gear to be competitive, cause they already have increased critical damage in their buffs. Even so, test an equal geared and lvl yul vs feoh, I bet you the feoh wont even drop the yuls cp. I`m not saying feohs should eat every1 alive or be above yuls, they never were and never should be, but at least they should have a chance to win.
Very true, feoh is badly "nerfed" in PVE, in regards to boss damage.
What I meant was.. the guy said "I am weaker than all of you (feohs), even though my M. Atk is higher than yours", so I explained having high M. Atk is not the key to feoh damage. :o
Your feoh is lv. 100+, so your damage in almost every hunting place is not nerfed, and that extra "10 power" from lv. 101 skills compared to lv. 100 skills does not increase your damage by alot.
(Of course in the new zones it might be, but im talking about kamaloka and such - as this thread was made before helios)
So yeah, your problem is you're aiming for M. Atk rather than M. Critical damage, im pretty sure.
No, my aim is not M. atk. My M.crit is maxed. I've been able to reach above 3.7 million M.atk. last year at Lv.99 and even then the damage isn't impressive. Everything that involves my damage is focusing on critical damage. I haven't focused on M.atk since before GoD. Even then, my main concern was magic critical rate.
I'm not your new run-of-the-mill nuker who believes that M.atk is the main focus of your Feoh.
I'm very aware of the game mechanics.
Feohs are nerfed. Before GoD it was very easy for a nuker to find a solo spot and 1 to 2-shot everything. During raids I'd have to dial down my nukes so I wouldn't keep grabbing aggro. Antharas didn't like me much.
No, my aim is not M. atk. My M.crit is maxed. I've been able to reach above 3.7 million M.atk. last year at Lv.99 and even then the damage isn't impressive. Everything that involves my damage is focusing on critical damage. I haven't focused on M.atk since before GoD. Even then, my main concern was magic critical rate.
I'm not your new run-of-the-mill nuker who believes that M.atk is the main focus of your Feoh.
I'm very aware of the game mechanics.
Feohs are nerfed. Before GoD it was very easy for a nuker to find a solo spot and 1 to 2-shot everything. During raids I'd have to dial down my nukes so I wouldn't keep grabbing aggro. Antharas didn't like me much.
For example My Feoh has higher stats than all of the posters here but it's damage output is lower
If that was true, you would be doing much higher damage than these people.
Agro does not have much to do with damage done by the way, only part of it.
FACT: Feohs are broken! You could be 110 and stacked to the hilt and your damage wouldn't be that much greater than it is at 100 and with mediocre gear.
FACT: Feohs are broken! You could be 110 and stacked to the hilt and your damage wouldn't be that much greater than it is at 100 and with mediocre gear.
Indeed. I totally agree.
For example My Feoh has higher stats than all of the posters here but it's damage output is lower
If that was true, you would be doing much higher damage than these people.
Agro does not have much to do with damage done by the way, only part of it.
You're having a little problem comprehending. When I was referring to aggro'ing Raids, I was talking about before GoD. Which in that time, aggro did totally depend on the highest damage dealer in the party/command channel. Even with a tank using aggression, the hardest hitter would have aggro.
Go increase your M.atk. Try to get it over 3 million and test how hard you hit or how fast you kill a monster within your level range. The difference is mediocre.
You're having a little problem comprehending. When I was referring to aggro'ing Raids, I was talking about before GoD. Which in that time, aggro did totally depend on the highest damage dealer in the party/command channel. Even with a tank using aggression, the hardest hitter would have aggro.
Go increase your M.atk. Try to get it over 3 million and test how hard you hit or how fast you kill a monster within your level range. The difference is mediocre.
3 million m.atk? Highest I've ever gotten is almost 1mil. I'd love to see a screenshot of that. But then again, who the hell cares, doesn't make any difference. I use to run with one of those passive 10% m.crit dmg talismans and never saw any noticeable improvement and that was stacked with everything else I have. I remember when I first started wearing epic boss jewels a year ago and wondered what the big deal was because they didn't make much if a difference. Nothing does. It's all a crock of shite to get you to spend more money on coins and make adena because you think if you add "this or that" that'll be the ticket. LMAO! I caught on to their tactics earlier this year. No more. I'm done. I just log in for nostalgia these days.
3 million m.atk? Highest I've ever gotten is almost 1mil. I'd love to see a screenshot of that. But then again, who the hell cares, doesn't make any difference. I use to run with one of those passive 10% m.crit dmg talismans and never saw any noticeable improvement and that was stacked with everything else I have. I remember when I first started wearing epic boss jewels a year ago and wondered what the big deal was because they didn't make much if a difference. Nothing does. It's all a crock of shite to get you to spend more money on coins and make adena because you think if you add "this or that" that'll be the ticket. LMAO! I caught on to their tactics earlier this year. No more. I'm done. I just log in for nostalgia these days.
3 million m.atk? Highest I've ever gotten is almost 1mil. I'd love to see a screenshot of that. But then again, who the hell cares, doesn't make any difference. I use to run with one of those passive 10% m.crit dmg talismans and never saw any noticeable improvement and that was stacked with everything else I have. I remember when I first started wearing epic boss jewels a year ago and wondered what the big deal was because they didn't make much if a difference. Nothing does. It's all a crock of shite to get you to spend more money on coins and make adena because you think if you add "this or that" that'll be the ticket. LMAO! I caught on to their tactics earlier this year. No more. I'm done. I just log in for nostalgia these days.
Hmmm, I'm nowhere near your lvl when it comes to gear, but I very well feel the difference of new items. Last event I got Abu1 and the difference in PVE and PVP is quite noticable.
And every 10 minutes I easily reach 1mil Matk.
3.7mil is really much though, was this after COC or with Herb, DarkMystiq?
Hmmm, I'm nowhere near your lvl when it comes to gear, but I very well feel the difference of new items. Last event I got Abu1 and the difference in PVE and PVP is quite noticable.
And every 10 minutes I easily reach 1mil Matk.
3.7mil is really much though, was this after COC or with Herb, DarkMystiq?
Abundance Lvl.1 only gives you an extra 15% m.atk. You must be getting some other really good buffs to reach 1mil with it. And I'm talking a noticeably big difference, not just a few extra k in crit dmg.
How're you getting your Atk. Attribute to 610? Mine's only 390 atm. Opal is only Lvl.3. No longer have the 30-day 5* blessed agathion which gave me an extra 30.
Probably he is stacking everything he possibly could, if you took a magic herb with this one, you too would be around 4m M. Atk.
Go increase your M.atk. Try to get it over 3 million and test how hard you hit or how fast you kill a monster within your level range. The difference is mediocre.
Yes, because if you deal xxx damage on xxx M. Atk
you need to get 4x higher M. Atk to deal twice the damage.
I.E if you make 10k dmg on 10k m atk, you need 40k m atk to make 20k damage.
Thus the difference between 1m & 2m M.Atk is only about 25% higher damage, compared with one another.
My point still remains, if you have this much M. Atk and complete stack of M. Crit damage boosts, you would deal more damage than these people. :o
So im still going with "you have some weird build on your char." ;)
Again, feoh is still the best char for grinding.
No class can "1-2 shot" anymore at level 99+.
How many people do you see killing mobs in AF in two hits?? or GOS? or even enchanted valley??
Come on be serious.
Abundance Lvl.1 only gives you an extra 15% m.atk. You must be getting some other really good buffs to reach 1mil with it. And I'm talking a noticeably big difference, not just a few extra k in crit dmg.
I mentioned Abu1 not only for the skill, its generally a very helpful item for Feoh.
And about the matk:
normal ISS buffs + Rose + Int Stew + BR, and my own skills = bit more than 1mil Matk.
If taking Magic Herb would be around 4,2mil or something like that.
If taking Magic Herb with COC buffs, I think it would be 8,4bil.
Worthless ofc, but funny. Would be a nice screenshot for sure :)
I mentioned Abu1 not only for the skill, its generally a very helpful item for Feoh.
And about the matk:
normal ISS buffs + Rose + Int Stew + BR, and my own skills = bit more than 1mil Matk.
If taking Magic Herb would be around 4,2mil or something like that.
If taking Magic Herb with COC buffs, I think it would be 8,4bil.
Worthless ofc, but funny. Would be a nice screenshot for sure :)
When I was playing I stopped paying attention to my m.atk because it doesn't make that big of a difference after a certain point. What Magic Herb are you referring to? Can't play at the moment... grrr. My right hand and finger are injured. Darn tendon ruptured... yeow!
My Feoh was Lv.99 in Seraph and 30-day Blessed Epic Jewels set with Lv.3 buffs.
Your Feoh is what? Lv.104 Decked out in +10 Dark or Bloody, full overenchanted Epic jewel set and +10 or better mage weapon with Lv.4 buffs (maybe Chant of Bison) and Rose.
I can't even afford the dyes on your Feoh.
Hmmm, I'm nowhere near your lvl when it comes to gear, but I very well feel the difference of new items. Last event I got Abu1 and the difference in PVE and PVP is quite noticable.
And every 10 minutes I easily reach 1mil Matk.
3.7mil is really much though, was this after COC or with Herb, DarkMystiq?
Probably he is stacking everything he possibly could, if you took a magic herb with this one, you too would be around 4m M. Atk.
Yes, because if you deal xxx damage on xxx M. Atk
you need to get 4x higher M. Atk to deal twice the damage.
I.E if you make 10k dmg on 10k m atk, you need 40k m atk to make 20k damage.
Thus the difference between 1m & 2m M.Atk is only about 25% higher damage, compared with one another.
My point still remains, if you have this much M. Atk and complete stack of M. Crit damage boosts, you would deal more damage than these people. :o
So im still going with "you have some weird build on your char." ;)
Again, feoh is still the best char for grinding.
No class can "1-2 shot" anymore at level 99+.
How many people do you see killing mobs in AF in two hits?? or GOS? or even enchanted valley??
Come on be serious.
Not a weird build. I simply just can't afford the good stuff in a pay-to-win gaming environment that has terrible game development as of late. I'm not going to spend thousands of real currency on a video game like some people. Before GoD I could easily make enough adena to get great gear that would noticeably increase my stats across the board through quests and grinding/farming.
Before GoD, all nukers could 1-2 shot everything in solo areas from levels 1-85. Why would you settle for a nerf now after the Free to Play (pay to win) expansion?
I think it's funny that people on here quickly change their entire focus and argument when I can easily prove that 3.7 million M.atk can be done without emptying your wallet.
My posts on this thread is about how weak magic attack has become in a PVE environment. My goal was simply to see what does it take to get a significant kill rate solo'ing on a nuker. I test lots of ways through trial and error to improve my gaming experience; No matter what class I'm playing.
I don't expect anyone to believe what they can't figure out for themselves. People just dismiss what they can't explain. It's human nature. People are infatuated with repeating history.
How're you getting your Atk. Attribute to 610? Mine's only 390 atm. Opal is only Lvl.3. No longer have the 30-day 5* blessed agathion which gave me an extra 30.
My Feoh was Lv.99 in Seraph and 30-day Blessed Epic Jewels set with Lv.3 buffs.
Your Feoh is what? Lv.104 Decked out in +10 Dark or Bloody, full overenchanted Epic jewel set and +10 or better mage weapon with Lv.4 buffs (maybe Chant of Bison) and Rose.
I can't even afford the dyes on your Feoh.
Herb in Enchanted Valley.
No offense, I said 'bizarre' because of the madly high MAtk. Forgot about the herb :).
How the hell are you getting nearly 6mil m.atk?? I hate it when people post this kinda stuff and don't say how they do it? Plus they block out their name to hide their identity. Renovatio... what you hiding? I can't play right down cuz of this frigging ruptured tendon in my right hand fingers and it's putting me in a pissy mood.
How the hell are you getting nearly 6mil m.atk?? I hate it when people post this kinda stuff and don't say how they do it? Plus they block out their name to hide their identity. Renovatio... what you hiding? I can't play right down cuz of this frigging ruptured tendon in my right hand fingers and it's putting me in a pissy mood.
Storm Screamer, so about 30% more base MAtk. When multiplied by all the boost & herbs it would get there I guess.
How the hell are you getting nearly 6mil m.atk?? I hate it when people post this kinda stuff and don't say how they do it? Plus they block out their name to hide their identity. Renovatio... what you hiding? I can't play right down cuz of this frigging ruptured tendon in my right hand fingers and it's putting me in a pissy mood.
and i dont use rose potion or ghost potion or talisman abundance
btw on your question earlier how ppl can get 600+ elemental patt
- 120 lvl5 Opal
- 50 7s Tali
- 50 Exalted Tiara
- 70 Augment
- 50 AP set up
- 30 5* Agathion
- 10 Battle Ditty
- 10 from Wind Scroll - only if using Wind Attack as attribute
so a score of 690 is possible or even higher if you use a tauti/kelbim weapon and I've personally tested dps with 680 and changed my set up to STR+ Patt head gear, +5% Patt Agathion and +15% p crit damage augment as that gave me way more dps boost - this is on a melee based play style though.
only for pvp it would help having high elemental patt to overcome their defenses but even then it really depends what you're sacrificing to get there..
btw on your question earlier how ppl can get 600+ elemental patt
- 120 lvl5 Opal
- 50 7s Tali
- 50 Exalted Tiara
- 70 Augment
- 50 AP set up
- 30 5* Agathion
- 10 Battle Ditty
- 10 from Wind Scroll - only if using Wind Attack as attribute
so a score of 690 is possible or even higher if you use a tauti/kelbim weapon and I've personally tested dps with 680 and changed my set up to STR+ Patt head gear, +5% Patt Agathion and +15% p crit damage augment as that gave me way more dps boost - this is on a melee based play style though.
only for pvp it would help having high elemental patt to overcome their defenses but even then it really depends what you're sacrificing to get there..
Haven't been in HB since I finished that part of the exalted quest.
- 120 lvl5 Opal - mine's Lvl.3
- 50 7s Tali - don't have
- 50 Exalted Tiara - got this but use my int/m.atk hat
- 70 Augment - gave this up for 15% m. skill crit dmg
- 50 AP set up - got this
- 30 5* Agathion - use to have this
- 10 Battle Ditty - check
- 10 from Wind Scroll - have wind as atk attribute but never seen these
Thanks Draecke. I just curious about this kind of stuff and it's always good to know for later on down the road. :)
Storm Screamer, so about 30% more base MAtk. When multiplied by all the boost & herbs it would get there I guess.
Yea but even with the 30% more base m.atk that's a pretty big jump to 6mil and he said that's not even with rose or abundance skill.
Not that it makes a hill of beans anyway... curiosity always gets the best of me and besides, I'm bored as hell and can't do squat with this darn injury to my hand. And wouldn't ya know it.. I've had a long enough of a break that I wanna start playing again. Arggg, the gods hate me!
How the hell are you getting nearly 6mil m.atk?? I hate it when people post this kinda stuff and don't say how they do it? Plus they block out their name to hide their identity. Renovatio... what you hiding? I can't play right down cuz of this frigging ruptured tendon in my right hand fingers and it's putting me in a pissy mood.
Idk if this work here too i supose yes seeing the 6kk matack >< check min 2:03 combining some x2 lv5 jewels (not sure) u get super buff 30sec 400% matack/patack i think this guy got it.
Check sayah matack with br + this buff.
Idk if this work here too i supose yes seeing the 6kk matack >< check min 2:03 combining some x2 lv5 jewels (not sure) u get super buff 30sec 400% matack/patack i think this guy got it.
Check sayah matack with br + this buff.
Yea but even with the 30% more base m.atk that's a pretty big jump to 6mil and he said that's not even with rose or abundance skill.
Not that it makes a hill of beans anyway... curiosity always gets the best of me and besides, I'm bored as hell and can't do squat with this darn injury to my hand. And wouldn't ya know it.. I've had a long enough of a break that I wanna start playing again. Arggg, the gods hate me!
He's lying. I see an abundance icon in his screen shot and look at his stats. The only way he got his stats (STR, DEX, CON, WIT, INT, & MEN) that high is from the "Power of Love" Event.
He has a Blessed Valakas necklace, +3 INT and +10% M.atk hair accessory and Talisman of Longing or Insanity. He also probably over enchanted Air Rider and Double casting for empower. He probably grabbed every passive from the Ability Point System that's available for increasing M.atk. He's most likely gotten every subclass/dual class passive that increases M.atk. He's definitely got the Savage skill and not to mention clan skills.
Educated guess would conclude he had stacked Rose buff, Freya scroll, or Ghost Potion with an Energy Drink, Herb of Magic, Wizard's Harmony, Wizard Spirit, Chant of Bison and Battle Rhapsody.
He's lying. I see an abundance icon in his screen shot and look at his stats. The only way he got his stats (STR, DEX, CON, WIT, INT, & MEN) that high is from the "Power of Love" Event.
He has a Blessed Valakas necklace, +3 INT and +10% M.atk hair accessory and Talisman of Longing or Insanity. He also probably over enchanted Air Rider and Double casting for empower. He probably grabbed every passive from the Ability Point System that's available for increasing M.atk. He's most likely gotten every subclass/dual class passive that increases M.atk. He's definitely got the Savage skill and not to mention clan skills.
Educated guess would conclude he had stacked Rose buff, Freya scroll, or Ghost Potion with an Energy Drink, Herb of Magic, Wizard's Harmony, Wizard Spirit, Chant of Bison and Battle Rhapsody.
Which screenshot are you referring to? I was talking about our Renovatio friend who was boasting of his m.atk being almost 6mil and he only showed a screenie of his stats. I've got every passive from the AP System that's available for increasing m.atk and every subclass/dual class passive that increases it. As well as Savage and Lvl.5 clan skills. Got Blessed Valakas necklace, +3 INT and +10% m.atk hair accessory and Talisman of Longing, +13 bloody retri, dignity of the exalted, yada yada yada. Why not just be upfront and tell us what other buffs/pots he had.
Regardless, I don't see why people have the need to lie about stuff like this.
with no rose no ghost potion no talisman abundance lvl1
I've never spent a lot of time in Phantasmal Ridge or Beleth's Magic Circle but the increase in m.atk is from some kind of buff effect you get out there. And is that the banana buff herb?
Look at how far he's gone in order to get the enjoyment of playing this game now. I can't imagine how much he's spent to gear up his Feoh to simply get the same output that we've all enjoyed before "Free to Play".
I refuse to spend hundreds of billions of adena or even thousands of real currency just to get back the enjoyment I've experienced back during Beta until the High-Five expansion.
"Pay to Win" is terrible, the game development has gone downhill, and there's no way we can farm quests like I used to do in order to support all of my toons in game without depending on NCoin or my clan raids.
I used to make an easy legit 210 million adena per day in game through questing and farming.
Look at how far he's gone in order to get the enjoyment of playing this game now. I can't imagine how much he's spent to gear up his Feoh to simply get the same output that we've all enjoyed before "Free to Play".
I refuse to spend hundreds of billions of adena or even thousands of real currency just to get back the enjoyment I've experienced back during Beta until the High-Five expansion.
"Pay to Win" is terrible, the game development has gone downhill, and there's no way we can farm quests like I used to do in order to support all of my toons in game without depending on NCoin or my clan raids.
I used to make an easy legit 210 million adena per day in game through questing and farming.
Yep, I hear ya. He's gotta go to HB so he can get the buff effects and IF he's lucky a banana buff. What it boils down to he's just a plain vanilla Feoh like the rest of us! LOL!
On topic:
Well all I can say is I like my Feoh, in Helios even a bit little more than before.
Ofc in NM Kama or other boring boss instances the dmg isnt up on par with other chars, but our AOE is nice and for pvp/sieges etc. I also can't complain.
I wouldn't want to play any other char*.
(*okay in 25sec Balok I sometimes find myself being a tiny little bit envious on that Evisc but I repress that feeling quickly ;) )
Or a 25 seconds Baylor instance, yes both Baylors with 1 Maphr scroll... glad I was fast enough to click the scroll in time to get the exp from the 1st Baylor too.
On topic:
Well all I can say is I like my Feoh, in Helios even a bit little more than before.
Ofc in NM Kama or other boring boss instances the dmg isnt up on par with other chars, but our AOE is nice and for pvp/sieges etc. I also can't complain.
I wouldn't want to play any other char*.
(*okay in 25sec Balok I sometimes find myself being a tiny little bit envious on that Evisc but I repress that feeling quickly ;) )
Thanks! It sucks trying to do things with two fingers taped together. :D Regarding their stats... everyone can have them out at HB apparently. And I love being a Feoh Archmage too. Sharlanna's my original toon. No way in hell would I change anything! ;)
Look at how far he's gone in order to get the enjoyment of playing this game now. I can't imagine how much he's spent to gear up his Feoh to simply get the same output that we've all enjoyed before "Free to Play".
I refuse to spend hundreds of billions of adena or even thousands of real currency just to get back the enjoyment I've experienced back during Beta until the High-Five expansion.
"Pay to Win" is terrible, the game development has gone downhill, and there's no way we can farm quests like I used to do in order to support all of my toons in game without depending on NCoin or my clan raids.
I used to make an easy legit 210 million adena per day in game through questing and farming.
i just wondering how we can make this amount of adena in this game when our dear ncsoft try to remove every possibility of drop from rb/spoil, except dragons where mortal common ppl dont have any access. and maybe we are tired only to buy/sell ncstore items, and want to play a game only for farm and fun, for other things we can go to a real casino omg.
i just wondering how we can make this amount of adena in this game when our dear ncsoft try to remove every possibility of drop from rb/spoil, except dragons where mortal common ppl dont have any access. and maybe we are tired only to buy/sell ncstore items, and want to play a game only for farm and fun, for other things we can go to a real casino omg.
So let me get this straight: r you guys really discussing about an AOE master class doing sh*tty damage on RB (aka ultra single target)?
You know you cant bake the cake and eat it at the same plate, right?
For the wonders in this thread that r more lost that deaf ppl in a rock show, just check some vids from @PVE4life (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv9RzxR0c3rtslSkSaUl7mw)in youtube, as he openly shows what he's doing and play the class for what it is (and tbh, the guy certainly has a budget gear toon not even on par with what you whinners carry on your "stuffed-with-all-possible-l2store" bags)
So let me get this straight : is the topic's title descriptive enough? Are you really coming into a thread which obviously is for people to rant their sorrow away, and attempt to "educate" them that is an AOE class? You don't like the discussion? Don't come in then. You know you can't come into a pizzeria asking for fish and chips right?
Its not about education or educate ppl, its about ppl lack of knowledge.
This game its a role play game, every toon have specific power...you cant ask feoh to be a single target dd and ofc you cant pretend Eviscerator to AOE.
"I said before, damage on boss on a single shot its almost the same with other dd's...but for example Eviscerator hit 10-15x faster and so on."
I don't understand what do you want? Want Evi single target power on feoh? Do you really believe ncsoft will do such a thing?
Its not about education or educate ppl, its about ppl lack of knowledge.
This game its a role play game, every toon have specific power...you cant ask feoh to be a single target dd and ofc you cant pretend Eviscerator to AOE.
"I said before, damage on boss on a single shot its almost the same with other dd's...but for example Eviscerator hit 10-15x faster and so on."
I don't understand what do you want? Want Evi single target power on feoh? Do you really believe ncsoft will do such a thing?
Erm... How about archer's aoe+single target dmg and survivability ?
So let me get this straight : is the topic's title descriptive enough? Are you really coming into a thread which obviously is for people to rant their sorrow away, and attempt to "educate" them that is an AOE class? You don't like the discussion? Don't come in then. You know you can't come into a pizzeria asking for fish and chips right?
Oh, my bad, it wasnt my intent to break your whiny train of tears even though 80% of the posters in this thread has dumped too much irl cash in their toon and still they look stupid in a couple of nonsense posts. Rly sorry, boo. Take my apologies and carry on with the whinning. :p
Erm... How about archer's critical damage boosts and survivability ?
Here, lemme fix it for you. What makes archers a broken class is the sole fact that they have debuffs, skills abilities and superior way of avoiding damage that they NEVER shoud had as a 1100 range DD to start with. That's what count against feohs, simple.
With equal gear Feoh does less damage than other classes.
There is absolutely no reason why Feoh should do such crappy damage during raids. Just because Feohs have good AoE doesn't mean they should have **** single target damage. The game isn't segreated into AoE and single target games, players must do both at different times. So every class needs to be good at both. This is especially true where the rewards from killing AoE field mobs are **** compared to the rewards for killing single target bosses. Show me the field mobs I can aoe that drop gear and other expensive items at high rates. Cause I get nothing from field mobs. Even the xp is pretty **** as a factor of xp/time.
Roleplay means taking on a role. Roleplay does not mean weakness from forced overspecialization, stat points and spreadsheets. There is no roleplay in Lineage 2. Never once do you take on the role of a character in the game world. Lineage 2 game world interaction is of the most superficial kind. If you want to see some decent roleplaying load up Fallout 4 or Skyrim or something. Forced overspecialization is cancer. All characters should be equally good at everything because all players must participate in all types of combat if they want to progress their character's stats and get better gear. All players have an equal need for defensive abilities, all players have an equal need for hp restoration, all players have an equal need for offensive abilities so they can kill stuff on their character. Forced Overspecialization is what killed the MMO genre. it was simply a cancer that was slowly eating away at creativity and player interest until it eventually metastasized and killed those games which refused to change and remove the forced overspecialization.
Blizzard realized that forced overspecialization was a bad idea way back in 2008 when they gave all classes a way to self heal, defensive skills and aoe skills in their best selling expansion Wrath of the Lich King. NCSoft still hasn't gotten the memo 8 years later. Maybe it got lost in their spam folder.
Lol, every class needs every skill? You have lost your mind. The only problem we have as feohs is that pdef is broken and mdef isn't.
If a player has 25k pdef with good gear, he can take 100+ k dmg from an archer.
If a player has 12k mdef with good gear, he takes ~30 k on crit
Same thing for raid bosses. Raid has some crazy pdef, ~40k, but takes millions of dmg from a titan pimped out
Mage with 1.5 million or more matt gives like ~120k
Fix pdef so that physical players arent broken or change all of the rules inhibiting mages, i.e. 32% crit chance cap / Matt to dmg ratio / INT + does not affect crit dmg like it should... / Crit Dmg modifier (used to be alot higher)
It is a given that a cpl shots on a mage should kill him, but he should be a glass cannon 1-2 shotting people.