hypothetically, if a tank had full boss jewels, full lvl 5 tattoos (not sure which ones would be best), +12 bloody ama sword and all the best buffs and nick naks, how would their pvp damage compare to an actual DD class
could a tank with this setup solo k95? k99?
or would it just be a waste of effort?
Ive always played my shilen knight based on the grounds that they were an offensive tank
done this one time took around 40-45 mins to finish whole kartia,
I was 100 at that time weapon is tauti party setup is with 1 iss and 1 sos
Build is dual class skill 27% patk, AP build is Titan build + the addition of Tank hidden skill called rampage shield. Didn't tried this again since it takes 60m changing back and forth but overall if you're just doing pve and not doing pvp or exping in AF go for it nice good exp with freya
minor detail but after lvl 101 best Offensive PVE Tank is HK due to his improved Rage aura and cat gets nice next update too which can do a good crit damage debuf on mobs.
what server you play on as I prolly could give you more pointers if on Chronos
btw end game PVP Tanks do no real damage, not against ppl in full pvp sets etc. that use automated pot spam - only if you got a Topaz lvl4 or higher you get to kill pplz then when real DD's lowered their HP
hypothetically, if a tank had full boss jewels, full lvl 5 tattoos (not sure which ones would be best), +12 bloody ama sword and all the best buffs and nick naks, how would their pvp damage compare to an actual DD class
could a tank with this setup solo k95? k99?
or would it just be a waste of effort?
Ive always played my shilen knight based on the grounds that they were an offensive tank
Yes you can do kartia 95 alonr, well with a iss box.
I have +8 armor set +12 r95 weapon ( tauti sucks in pve) full criticak chance atak speed. Ap patk, rampage shield. I get around 15k patk. Fast til boss. Around 30 minutes. I have con dyes, so i do noy have fulk atack setup. With better geat ofcourse could be better. Pvp, outside oly, tank do not kill, regardless gear. K99 not a chance.
hypothetically, if a tank had full boss jewels, full lvl 5 tattoos (not sure which ones would be best), +12 bloody ama sword and all the best buffs and nick naks, how would their pvp damage compare to an actual DD class
could a tank with this setup solo k95? k99?
or would it just be a waste of effort?
Ive always played my shilen knight based on the grounds that they were an offensive tank
Tank pvp build oly
+10 dark set
+15 dark amaranthine AVENGER with hp/hp/sigel sa and +9% pvp damage as augment or health augment +30% the highest i think..
Dualclass skills go for full hp..
Dyes full str...
Ap on knight..
Rest are jewels with good physical trait...
Now the hybrid build..
Same set of weapon and armor set except..
Dyes go for +5str +10 con so you have +10 con +7str
Take con + pder 1slot hair acce..
Make a dim bracelet go full str of it...
As far as i know i have a friend tank hybrid build cant be killed cant be 1 shot.. well 7 shots maybe..
+10 dark set
+15 dark amaranthine AVENGER with hp/hp/sigel sa and +9% pvp damage as augment or health augment +30% the highest i think..
Dualclass skills go for full hp..
Dyes full str...
Ap on knight..
Rest are jewels with good physical trait...
Now the hybrid build..
Same set of weapon and armor set except..
Dyes go for +5str +10 con so you have +10 con +7str
Take con + pder 1slot hair acce..
Make a dim bracelet go full str of it...
As far as i know i have a friend tank hybrid build cant be killed cant be 1 shot.. well 7 shots maybe..
Why would you put hp ap, dual, etc if you are going to get str dyes?. It has no sence at all.
You can easily get around 120 str without str dyes on human tank, more on dark elf, and keep yourself over 105 con, to improve thouse hp boost. Besides str on tank, specially on pvp is about break point, and honestly anything beyond 115 str don't give much. 120 get a little boost on skill critical, but beyond that nothing much.
Then why bother on hp if you will not have reflect, oly wise. For a budget perspective and all round tank get all dual hp from first row patk lvl 4 and one pdef from warrior, one from wizz (6%) or just get mp reduction instead pdef. On tank pdef boost, outside tyr fight, are minimal cause of total pdef added with shield. In helios the improve will be minimal. Also get rampage from warrior tree. From dual get phyz trait ( improves all your land rates) and hp.
Get pasive reflect/ active reflect if posible. You will win lots of match on oly just by reflect or it will help a lot kill the enemy, more than a lol 9% pvp damage on tank. You need atk speed sa more than the half hp one from oly. Get the classic hp/ atk speed. The full hp is for siege/ massive pvp to Cast hate aura and nothing more.
Oly = topaz 4/5 or don't bother unless ofc you're on a dead server
Jaja yup. In fact a tank with that kind of topaz and a apo cutter will get a lot more wins in oly than a tank with dark weapon without topaz....
PvE dmg for any fighter class is maxing attack speed, critical rate, and critical damage. Then of course increase power, which has no maximum. I doubt you'd be able to solo k99 without some serious OOP support. K95 you should be able to do.
Or do what a lot of ppl do, is beat down boss on DD dualclass, soe (keep instance open with box still in), then switch to class and finish off the last little bit of HP for FULL exp.
If you want to be a DD, be a DD class, don't try to make one with a tank unless you have 5,000$ lying around. Even then you'd get twice as far with a DD.
done this one time took around 40-45 mins to finish whole kartia,
Seriously you are doing something wrong here. Take buffs, warrior harmony, use all 3 aoe's in Kartia and its finished in 25min. Lion also might help in last stage to deal some dmg. I am sending archer in home.
Seriously you are doing something wrong here. Take buffs, warrior harmony, use all 3 aoe's in Kartia and its finished in 25min. Lion also might help in last stage to deal some dmg. I am sending archer in home.
We are talking about kartia group doing solo with tank and iss box.
The other is done in ten minutes
Besides you clearly never try it by mention the use of lion. Boss, in berserk buff, will kill lion in one skill healing itself making it imposible to acomplish
minor detail but both ISS were boxed with lol gear so with an actual live played ISS that would also hit mobs the time would have been ~2min faster imo but at the time that run was done it was quite late and none were to be found ^^"
but yeah as you can see it's possible to do those instances with Tank as main DD as I've said before..
imo any class that can stack patt & p. crit damage can do these things, easiest build for Tanks is HK due to the True Vanguard + Avengers Aura + Knight Frenzy :)
minor detail 50k $ in gear ... aight.
right $50k of gear and the guys is with s80 armor if u know the game and use your brain u can achieve something but ppl like to qq and spread negativity only get lost pls
minor detail but both ISS were boxed with lol gear so with an actual live played ISS that would also hit mobs the time would have been ~2min faster imo but at the time that run was done it was quite late and none were to be found ^^"
but yeah as you can see it's possible to do those instances with Tank as main DD as I've said before..
imo any class that can stack patt & p. crit damage can do these things, easiest build for Tanks is HK due to the True Vanguard + Avengers Aura + Knight Frenzy :)
What armor were you using? Elegia heavy or Vesper noble masterwork? Nice video have you tried using a pve retri + sos in addition to your setup? If so with a setup like that how fast were you doing lets say K99?
minor detail but both ISS were boxed with lol gear so with an actual live played ISS that would also hit mobs the time would have been ~2min faster imo but at the time that run was done it was quite late and none were to be found ^^"
but yeah as you can see it's possible to do those instances with Tank as main DD as I've said before..
imo any class that can stack patt & p. crit damage can do these things, easiest build for Tanks is HK due to the True Vanguard + Avengers Aura + Knight Frenzy :)
The recorder guy made me cringe at my seat with that awful 2boxing skills. He could had spare 2min before instance to setup a fast /assist macro either for dd or iss, w/e.
Anyway, kudos for your tank playstyle. Rly impressive, both def and attack power :p
the only relevant dumb expensive item I use for dps would be my +15 PVE cutter but a +12 PVE one would be still quite good
having passive & active crit damage augments are way more important as in combo with HK 101 Aura & True Vanguard the damage is getting silly when you pop KN Frenzy with BR :)
and yes I really do use my old HighFive +6 MW Vesper Noble Hvy set for PVE as that gives the best Patt/Pdef boost for a Tank, note how my +10/11 PVP set is on my ISS ;)
@Kei, retri means u can't use your skills and honestly the dps difference wouldn't be that great as I have no intentions to run 2 boxes whenever I xp it's w/e to me and yes I did test with my current set up how fast K99 is with SOS and that's like 6~7min tops - with GoG buff prolly just 5min but I'm to lazy for that stuff
The recorder guy made me cringe at my seat with that awful 2boxing skills. He could had spare 2min before instance to setup a fast /assist macro either for dd or iss, w/e.
Anyway, kudos for your tank playstyle. Rly impressive, both def and attack power :p
Oh right, the ruby lvl5 , insanity, b.balakas dont counts in .... I bet theres 7s and some other lvl4-5 jewels for p.deff/mdeff. You soooo right. Happy to see you kno how to use your brain.
oh so you're actually colorblind, I'm sorry I didn't knew that.. go watch the fraps again cause the soul shots color effect ain't that of a Ruby 5 but feel free to do/na/te the needed 75+bil adena so I can afford one, many thx in advance!
btw anyone can get full bless epics/belt w/e from NC Store nowadays so those items I really wouldn't classify as relevant imo and neither is mdef even remotely relevant for AF Instance..
no idea why I even bother to reply when it's so clear you're just trolling, either that or you're very ignorant or maybe just frustrated about something ?
lmao why is the word do/na/te being auto corrected to "pay" on this forum ? really now can we have any more dumb censor/forced auto correct ?
So you are trying to convince me that that gear you have is like normal gear on servers ?
What a scrub. Go mesure your small *** somwhere else. That video is ussless for 99% of the tanks , why , use your brain again . Want me to explain more or wanna messure *** ...
Tank without s7+high defensive jewels will stand 0 seconds in AF.
The recorder guy made me cringe at my seat with that awful 2boxing skills. He could had spare 2min before instance to setup a fast /assist macro either for dd or iss, w/e.
Anyway, kudos for your tank playstyle. Rly impressive, both def and attack power :p
tnx for compliment , but i dont care as you see i push forward with level and equipments .also yul had macro just i dont put aoe , about to set macro on iss that will be the worst idea.. 40k hp , seraph set he will die alot . as you see he not die so.. better play your game i will play my
So you are trying to convince me that that gear you have is like normal gear on servers ?
What a scrub. Go mesure your small *** somwhere else. That video is ussless for 99% of the tanks , why , use your brain again . Want me to explain more or wanna messure *** ...
Tank without s7+high defensive jewels will stand 0 seconds in AF.
a lvl 100 Tank maybe but at 102+ that's absolutely not true.
go take your QQ somewhere else cause I have personally helped more then 20 Tank players just this year alone with advises on how to boost either their DPS or Defensive play styles with low budget tweaks upto the end game versions.
to get at my point it's hard and will take a lot of resources yes but to get in the 50~70% area that's pretty doable for most mid level/semi end game players and as you could see that will turn a Tank from close to zero damage to an actual contributing factor for PVE activities.
changing between PVE / PVP set ups is the more tricky part as simply said in my PVE set up I will die 3 shots the moment my UD's are down from wartag archers so there are some serious trade off you make.
if ppl want to be able to do both you will need to have at least the following gear for PVP and be fast in changing set ups when you run into PVP situations:
dandy scroll 10%
tauti ring 5%
castle cloak 5% + clan passive skill 10% = 15%
dark armor 20%
oly top resist pots 3%
abundance lvl1 15%
obsidian 4 11% 5 15%
Protective Ditty 10%
pvp resist belts 7% or 9% if coc belt
at sieges: slaughter dye used to be 25% should be now 10%
PVP AP set up should be all hp/pdef u can get and if you feel strong enough get one that increases your disables land rate.
besides that use pdef passive talisman / +3 Aria CON bracelet / fist stew +3 CON / head gear that adds +3 CON & 5% pdef with if possible the 203 pdef augment / always use rose buff and when needed CP Cookie & Valiant scrolls - max HP is 150K so you don't really need Weaver imo..
ah and obviously as mentioned in this topic before get a simple pvp weapon with the right type of augment (passive reflect/30% debuf land rate increase etc. ) like a semi high oe bless low r grade cutter 25%Hp and 12%Hp 7% Haste SA set up and for PVE get as high as possible you can afford OE'd PVE cutter with Patt/p Crit damage SA set up.
btw even at end game level you don't need more then lvl4 jewels max as for some weird reason you seem to think I'm stacked on that lol, here's what I've got and I made all of that on the very first brooch event except for the vital ofc.
- 5 opal - was lucky and got it easily
- 4 diamond
- 4 obsidian
- 4 pearl, never use this anymore as it was made in a time mages were still a pvp factor
- 4 emerald
- 4 ruby
- 4 vital
- 3 topaz
keep saying what I do can't be done without spending "thousands of dollars" cause that ain't true, if you're able to play market you can get this or if you got like a few hundreds to spent once in a while on the right stuff you can get this all too..
final note: I play L2 since Closed Beta and to get where I'm at now took me years of building resources and shaping my char into it's current form to support my preferred play style - any one who thinks that's doable in a matter of Months will indeed have to spent a lot of money yes but for those that can play the long game that's a different story.
a lvl 100 Tank maybe but at 102+ that's absolutely not true.
go take your QQ somewhere else cause I have personally helped more then 20 Tank players just this year alone with advises on how to boost either their DPS or Defensive play styles with low budget tweaks upto the end game versions.
to get at my point it's hard and will take a lot of resources yes but to get in the 50~70% area that's pretty doable for most mid level/semi end game players and as you could see that will turn a Tank from close to zero damage to an actual contributing factor for PVE activities.
changing between PVE / PVP set ups is the more tricky part as simply said in my PVE set up I will die 3 shots the moment my UD's are down from wartag archers so there are some serious trade off you make.
if ppl want to be able to do both you will need to have at least the following gear for PVP and be fast in changing set ups when you run into PVP situations:
dandy scroll 10%
tauti ring 5%
castle cloak 5% + clan passive skill 10% = 15%
dark armor 20%
oly top resist pots 3%
abundance lvl1 15%
obsidian 4 11% 5 15%
Protective Ditty 10%
pvp resist belts 7% or 9% if coc belt
at sieges: slaughter dye used to be 25% should be now 10%
PVP AP set up should be all hp/pdef u can get and if you feel strong enough get one that increases your disables land rate.
besides that use pdef passive talisman / +3 Aria CON bracelet / fist stew +3 CON / head gear that adds +3 CON & 5% pdef with if possible the 203 pdef augment / always use rose buff and when needed CP Cookie & Valiant scrolls - max HP is 150K so you don't really need Weaver imo..
ah and obviously as mentioned in this topic before get a simple pvp weapon with the right type of augment (passive reflect/30% debuf land rate increase etc. ) like a semi high oe bless low r grade cutter 25%Hp and 12%Hp 7% Haste SA set up and for PVE get as high as possible you can afford OE'd PVE cutter with Patt/p Crit damage SA set up.
btw even at end game level you don't need more then lvl4 jewels max as for some weird reason you seem to think I'm stacked on that lol, here's what I've got and I made all of that on the very first brooch event except for the vital ofc.
- 5 opal - was lucky and got it easily
- 4 diamond
- 4 obsidian
- 4 pearl, never use this anymore as it was made in a time mages were still a pvp factor
- 4 emerald
- 4 ruby
- 4 vital
- 3 topaz
keep saying what I do can't be done without spending "thousands of dollars" cause that ain't true, if you're able to play market you can get this or if you got like a few hundreds to spent once in a while on the right stuff you can get this all too..
final note: I play L2 since Closed Beta and to get where I'm at now took me years of building resources and shaping my char into it's current form to support my preferred play style - any one who thinks that's doable in a matter of Months will indeed have to spent a lot of money yes but for those that can play the long game that's a different story.
I happen to have a Tank(main)/Iss(dual,) and you know something? Something's terribly wrong with Tank Damage dealing.
Same character & same gear, when Iss has max crit 500 & attack speed 1500 (they share sub + dual skills, so no difference at all except main is tank and Iss is dual class,) tank has about 400 crit and 1300ish attack speed....
What's even more funny is...I have Tyrr DoomBringer main/Iss dual also. Same char, same gear but with the same weapon Tyrr has 30k Attack Power(Tauti 2H,) Iss enchanter has about 20K attack power...I mean WTF!??
So here is the truth...with same gear and everything
Tyrr 30k >> Iss 20k >> Tank 15k with nuffed Crit and attack speed...
different passives, toggles and skills.. can't compare like that..
go read what True Vanguard does for a Tank and then tell me again how that is even remotely related to Tyr / ISS etc.
as I've explained many times before for Tanks to do dps you need to boost patt/str/crit damage, every small boost factors in to the point you can duo K99 with an ISS in under 15min or even AF Instance..
@DreamSeeker I've been consulting draecke on this and have managed to get respectable damage as a tank. With the event weapon, I get a respectable 15k patk with warriors, which goes to about 24k patk with the dual class toggle and rampage shield, add BR and we get almost 50k, add vanguard and we have an effective patk of 79k.
Of course we cannot compare to a Tyrr, they are *supposed* to deal more damage.
I still have my +15 con dyes, so I can do better. I can now do k99 with warriors harmony, and keep aggro all the time, something I could not do before when my damage was crap. I do 10k crits to boss, which still isn't amazing but a definite improvement, it helps that I almost constantly have the counter crits toggle, and rampage shield is up as often as cool down allows.
I am about 100b adena (lol) away from the gear draecke possesses, but I'm pretty pleased with the way things are right now, given the resources I have.
PS. Offensive tank build is hard because it is 1000% gear dependent, but you can easily switch dual skills, armor type and AP to get the HP pool needed for tanking for the hard stuff.
PS. Offensive tank build is hard because it is 1000% gear dependent, but you can easily switch dual skills, armor type and AP to get the HP pool needed for tanking for the hard stuff.
I cried alot because I couldn't function as a tank as intended, i.e. stacking defensive stats.
Then I discovered that tanks don't actually need that much defensive stats, their main defense is their shield blocks and the 1 dmg blocks.
So putting more effort into increasing damage actually works better at retaining aggro, which boosts the tank's damage even more with the crit trigger buff and shield rampage.
Only a few tanks in the game have managed to pull it off well; I am still working towards that, but I still get compliments for retaining aggro in k99 with some pretty strong (excluding evis/titans/gk) DDs, daggers especially like me for letting them do their work from behind the boss.
My previous cry posts were all about prophets T_T I cried for 5 years straight, then gave up.
This topic is about making a tank do decent damage, it takes more for a tank to matter at all DPS-wise. E.g. damage dealers don't need *both* good weapon and armour to perform their duties. A tank first requires relatively decent armour first before they can even look at getting a good weapon.
And if you've read Draecke's posts, you'd see that pvp requires a *completely* different setup from pve, i.e. you *need* 2 sets of equipment, almost all other classes can get away with just 1 set.