After update, which was 9th march, there is some issues or smth like this on olympiad.
Some ppl, who has not points (less then even 20) meet on olympiad very strong players with 500+ points and mostly "anticlasses". Last few month, if i remember correct, if you didnt have at least ~160-180 points it was almost impossible to meet them. But now it happens 90% of the matches. You know, it is kinda boring to play on olympiad like this. Not everyone has top-top gear for fight like this.
So, im looking for information, if there any issues and if it will be fixed.
If there is no issues, i want to know opponents selection mechanic.
If u have for example 3 players with ~300 pts and 7 players with ~20 pts in same oly round, no matter what one of ~20 pts will meet ~300 pointer, thats unavoidable.
After update, which was 9th march, there is some issues or smth like this on olympiad.
Some ppl, who has not points (less then even 20) meet on olympiad very strong players with 500+ points and mostly "anticlasses". Last few month, if i remember correct, if you didnt have at least ~160-180 points it was almost impossible to meet them. But now it happens 90% of the matches. You know, it is kinda boring to play on olympiad like this. Not everyone has top-top gear for fight like this.
So, im looking for information, if there any issues and if it will be fixed.
If there is no issues, i want to know opponents selection mechanic.
Thank you in advance.
Cheers.
is a dead game me for 1 not even loging for boring daylis that drop 1 ear, game is destroied and last people that play have to many boxed toons to make daylis alone, there fore a single player like me cant evolve any more, after update more creepi things will come, nurefing may class 25 times wasent inuf, ofering , to may class skills that are easy dodged by 3rd software, enchanting same thing a dead obtion dosent even, help me to thinck about gearing more? so for what reason to play? 3rd liberation qusts sucks, they asck 45k mente marcks just to end 1 part of quest, only bots can perfome that many mente marcks in 2 3 wecks, ascks lvl 100 on dual class on a dead server with 0 xp, even nevit sucks, when you dont have partyes with who to go grinde, bots do that not legit gamers, were to grinde on a server with killed xp? hf all out of naya antill naya reawakens naw. Me for one ive rewakend may char to long time a ago.
If u have for example 3 players with ~300 pts and 7 players with ~20 pts in same oly round, no matter what one of ~20 pts will meet ~300 pointer, thats unavoidable.
yes it should be like this, but there was another situation, as i saw:
THE GUY has 20 pts. In his wave some ppl has 50-60. And 1 guys with 500.
There are many factors, but I can tell you that for more than an year I've been fighting the same ppl in oly.There is a hidden battle rating or something you have and it matches you according to this factor in first place, then points and after that level.
That battle rating is calculated from the previous months(s).
Juji I'm sure knows very well about that and can elaborate some bits.
After update, which was 9th march, there is some issues or smth like this on olympiad.
Some ppl, who has not points (less then even 20) meet on olympiad very strong players with 500+ points and mostly "anticlasses". Last few month, if i remember correct, if you didnt have at least ~160-180 points it was almost impossible to meet them. But now it happens 90% of the matches. You know, it is kinda boring to play on olympiad like this. Not everyone has top-top gear for fight like this.
So, im looking for information, if there any issues and if it will be fixed.
If there is no issues, i want to know opponents selection mechanic.
Thank you in advance.
Cheers.
I noticed the same. I'm always floating around 30-50 points and in the past months never faced someone with 300+ points; now it happened 3-4 times to me.
There are many factors, but I can tell you that for more than an year I've been fighting the same ppl in oly.There is a hidden battle rating or something you have and it matches you according to this factor in first place, then points and after that level.
That battle rating is calculated from the previous months(s).
Juji I'm sure knows very well about that and can elaborate some bits.
I did not want to alarm anyone, much less run new dreamers of this game .. but dig noted that there are more than 200 players in OE mostly using this bot to know everything from olys, kitch and whatever, obviously to harm many other players that if they are legitimate. This is the way of l2 .. you going to do?
any doubt eh attempt to do "justice" seek the clans that control any server and find the answers, gainak / siege / CoC / Oly :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
i note this after lvl up to 101. All fight from there was vs really OP ppl and doesnt matters my points, with 20-30 points fighting with ppl 150-200-250 points. at the beggining i think it was only bad luck, but all month will be the same. im lvl 101 but im not full geared so all fights was easy for my opponent and i can get enought points and lose my hero.
i wanna hear a gm explanation about this to know if we r right, or i was really unlucky boy for all month, ty in advance.
i note this after lvl up to 101. All fight from there was vs really OP ppl and doesnt matters my points, with 20-30 points fighting with ppl 150-200-250 points. at the beggining i think it was only bad luck, but all month will be the same. im lvl 101 but im not full geared so all fights was easy for my opponent and i can get enought points and lose my hero.
i wanna hear a gm explanation about this to know if we r right, or i was really unlucky boy for all month, ty in advance.
Well. As i said before, till the 9th march it wasnt like this. But now alot of people has same situation. One my friend tryed to sign/enter oly even without everything, naked etc. It didnt help him.
yes it should be like this, but there was another situation, as i saw:
THE GUY has 20 pts. In his wave some ppl has 50-60. And 1 guys with 500.
THE GUY met that guy with 500 pts.
And like this 90% of matches.
what is your point? someone is losing hero cus he got some unlucky fights? too bad good luck next month what your saying is ******** anyway long before u was even around on naia was meeting people from as low as 5 points while i was deep into 300+
if olympiad was about actually being the best of your class or server it would have been designed in complete different way. So get over it cus olympiad is far from showing whos best on his class.
what is your point? someone is losing hero cus he got some unlucky fights? too bad good luck next month what your saying is ******** anyway long before u was even around on naia was meeting people from as low as 5 points while i was deep into 300+
if olympiad was about actually being the best of your class or server it would have been designed in complete different way. So get over it cus olympiad is far from showing whos best on his class.
my point is this shouldnt be like this.
Okey, it can be totally unluck, but look, it happened not with 1 guy, not with 2 guys, i know alot of ppl who just got the same problem. top players meeting ppl with 20- points, and the middle players meeting only top-top who they'll never kill.
Long time before, as i remember, it wasnt like this. So i feel that something wrong here.
LoL that bot is awesome XD you can avoid anyone lmao well redmen is right the design of today's oly is not who is the best of his class there are many factors now contributing in getting hero asides from being good at your class you need to be lucky in your wave since for example I'm a tank and there are a series of bad waves I've had this month,I got an end game wynn with tanzanite lvl3 and above or an Iss WC those 2 class if they are heavily geared no matter how good you are in your class or how good are you in kiting etc almost impossible you'll win. My 2cents is that in order for oly to be back to its former glory 1st week is class based 2nd and 3rd week is open class and the last week is class based again. but then again oly hasn't been always about whose the best in their class since there are feedings as well involve and usually the best players in their class doesn't care about oly :P
I swear I was going to start a thread about this exact issue a week ago, but I felt that some idiots would inevitably run up and derail it with their "Olympiad is not about showing who's best at the game" demagogy.
what is your point? someone is losing hero cus he got some unlucky fights?
if olympiad was about actually being the best of your class or server it would have been designed in complete different way. So get over it cus olympiad is far from showing whos best on his class.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? If you're illiterate and can't read, why don't you just refrain from posting in this thread?
If you're one of those OP heroes or hero candidates, why do you even bother to read it? - you are going to win hero in any case.
Once again: this thread is about the latest patch that messed up the Oly system, and it was totally uncalled for. It is not about "heroes" (who cares about them after all?), it's about the majority of players affected by that change. The average players, not the enforcers.
Btw before you leave this thread for good, would you tell us how many times did NCsoft change the Olympiad matching system since 2014?
There are many factors, but I can tell you that for more than an year I've been fighting the same ppl in oly.There is a hidden battle rating or something you have and it matches you according to this factor in first place, then points and after that level.
That battle rating is calculated from the previous months(s).
Yes besides the total points there have always been some shady criteria that affected the drawing procedure in the Oly. I doubt it's the battle rating though, it's something else, probably related to each players' class/type. Who knows, maybe it's something really odd that factors, like the name's first letter etc. (Else I can't explain why my harmless Iss box who only does the 5 matches quest always gets to fight the same archer hero almost every day, i.e. once in 5-10 matches: are there no other opponents among the hundreds of participants or what???)
This thread, however, is about the latest change that outweighed the above rules; and I know that change was probably necessary for the Korean servers but not for NA/EU.
I swear I was going to start a thread about this exact issue a week ago, but I felt that some idiots would inevitably run up and derail it with their "Olympiad is not about showing who's best at the game" demagogy.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? If you're illiterate and can't read, why don't you just refrain from posting in this thread?
If you're one of those OP heroes or hero candidates, why do you even bother to read it? - you are going to win hero in any case.
Once again: this thread is about the latest patch that messed up the Oly system, and it was totally uncalled for. It is not about "heroes" (who cares about them after all?), it's about the majority of players affected by that change. The average players, not the enforcers.
Btw before you leave this thread for good, would you tell us how many times did NCsoft change the Olympiad matching system since 2014?
i dont give a **** what they changed..
if x people sign and 8? or 9 out of these x people are low pointers and ur higher pointer the waves starts no1 gives a rats *** that u get low pointers all the time its your problem.
if olympiad would be a fair system 80% of all hero's would never be one.
face it if u cant be hero then dont bother top of that being hero is useless these days anyway beside hero zerk rest sucks ***.
its just a stupid system
8 people needed for wave or w/e amount i forgot
so 8 slots to fill up
1 low point
2 low point
3 low point
4 low point
5 low point
6 low point
7 low point
8 high point
then 3 people will have a "nice equal fight"
and one gets wrecked in matter of seconds.
what is the problem exactly? that u cant farm points cus of low pointers signing up? then make waves with your clan to feed ur self so u can finally glow like a light bulb
If there are scripts to sign people up when there's no competition then it's possible the in game systems might not be the thing that's broken, it's the way people are abusing these.
Face the facts anyway, the Oly system is and always has been broken, even more so now with scripts and pay to win than ever before.
Just go look at people's points, 2nd and 3rd place for most classes is 120 or so points, first place is 500-800 points. That's a 400-700 point lead and they don't even have the full quota of matches done.
Problem is if 2 high pointers and 8 low pointers register at the same wave, the high pointers should fight eachother while low pointers fight eachother.
Currently if 2 high/8 low register together, chances are 3 low pointers fight eachother, and then the high pointers fight 1 low pointer each..
Problem is if 2 high pointers and 8 low pointers register at the same wave, the high pointers should fight eachother while low pointers fight eachother.
Currently if 2 high/8 low register together, chances are 3 low pointers fight eachother, and then the high pointers fight 1 low pointer each..
This is to avoid feeding more or less, but we both know that this doesn't work at all.
Oly registration should be "per-event" - you declare your commitment to play Olympiad and you cannot unregister, it also registers your gear and that same gear cannot be used in another toon during oly that weekend. Something like that might improve oly greatly.
if x people sign and 8? or 9 out of these x people are low pointers and ur higher pointer the waves starts no1 gives a rats *** that u get low pointers all the time its your problem.
Please don't post if you have no clue what you're talking about. Unless you're on the server with total population of 8 players, then it's excusable.
Problem is if 2 high pointers and 8 low pointers register at the same wave, the high pointers should fight eachother while low pointers fight eachother.
Currently if 2 high/8 low register together, chances are 3 low pointers fight eachother, and then the high pointers fight 1 low pointer each..
Seriously, most comments in this thread deserve multiple facepalms.
Ok let's break this down: there is no such thing as "people signing at the same wave".
If there were ONLY 10 players then you could talk about forming a wave once everyone's signed.
In reality, there are dozens of players signing up at the same time, and it is up to the server how each wave is formed. Yes the simplest method is to make pairs out of each 10 people signed at the same time (or as soon as 10 have signed).
However, with the right algorithm it is possible to form waves made of players with matching amounts of points, granted there are enough participants around. All it takes for the server is to wait a little and then pick the groups of players based on their points and draw lots within those groups. With this system, if there are many low-pointers they would get their matches quickly while high-pointers would have to wait until their own wave is filled.
What we have now is the server that gives priority to the high-pointers to minimize their wait time, as a result they momentarily receive random opponents picked from average players (according to this new algorithm, a lvl 103 hero with 500+ pts vs a random lvl 100 player with 15 pts is an equal match).
So, while the high-pointers' minority can't see anything wrong with this system, the majority of players can barely get fair matches anymore.
the fact it's currently possible for the script users to manipulate Oly to their advantage means the whole Oly queuing design needs to be rehauled and asap imo..
the fact it's currently possible for the script users to manipulate Oly to their advantage means the whole Oly queuing design needs to be rehauled and asap imo..
Truth of the matter is the screenshot posted is irellevant to manipulating your enemies or avoiding people in oly ( except usual ingame ways you can use - chat party invite etc) and unless DV or someone of that sorts made something for inter-clan use of himself and fellows you would be aware so I guess thats not the case either.
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I dont care how the system works, all im saying is if 2 high pointers end up with 8 low pointers, the high pointers should fight eachother.
Of course they should!
But if there are 3 high pointers then the 3rd one is destined to face a low pointer, much to their mutual discontent. And it's exactly what happens when waves are formed as soon as players register.
So, a proper algorithm would form a few separate queues based on the players' points. The low-pointers' queue would move the fastest while the high-pointers queue would be on hold until there are at least 10 players with well over 100 points signed in. Then everyone would be happy, as hero candidates would fight each other for weighty 10 points in every match, mid-tier players would get fair and challenging fights with their own kind, and low-pointers would face each other to win a point or two, just enough to continue participation.
That system, however, would not work very well on a low populated server.
And what the developers did in their infinite wisdom?
First they broke the class balance, so the weakest classes stopped participating.
Next they ruined the matching system, trying to accomodate it to the dwindling population. The new system favored a handful of top players only. The rest were forced out.
And now, if I got it right, they are planning to get rid of the Grand Olympiad due to its "low popularity" (worked as intended!) and replace it with something (cross-server Oly?) suitable only for the selected few.
Way to dig their own grave, I'd say.
I heard no one participates in castle sieges on Korean servers anymore ("working as intended").
The next logical step must be removing all pvp content from the game completely, due to its low popularity in Korea.
Wanna bet that NCwest will happily accept that final update?
that fail corgi stuff can make it much easier to do mass feeds though..
can't wait for the Global Oly system to arrive here so total amount of hero's get reduced to 1 class type hero for all servers - should be fun!!
ps, the ppl behind corgi are not residents of Russia unlike zR Admin so it's just a matter of time before NCWest lawyers will find & deal with them
Like its hard already to get together on a TS/Vent channel and feed someone. :rolleyes:
As I said to you on Dim server's sieges I wouldnt hold my breath for dim oly to be implemented neccesarily outside of Korea.
About your ps they re not US citizens either though and a good analogy as to why even if they were this wouldnt apply to them(or anyone in simila scenario) would be that they dont have anything to do with providing the tools (zr) used, they merely providing their programming skills ie code written to people using those tools already.
Corgi provides a lil more then just that and operates a tad different but enough about this subject as I'm not going to promote any of it by keep talking about it.
the fact it's currently possible for the script users to manipulate Oly to their advantage means the whole Oly queuing design needs to be rehauled and asap imo..
Coincidently, I've just checked the Oly record of one of the current heroes. Out of his last 7 matches, 6 matches were against the same player. What are the odds of that?
Both are from the same clan, the clan's name begins with "Renov" and ends with "atio".
Coincidently, I've just checked the Oly record of one of the current heroes. Out of his last 7 matches, 6 matches were against the same player. What are the odds of that?
Both are from the same clan, the clan's name begins with "Renov" and ends with "atio".
"mama i wannabe hero but i cant be hero cus other clan is feeding people :("
Coincidently, I've just checked the Oly record of one of the current heroes. Out of his last 7 matches, 6 matches were against the same player. What are the odds of that?
Both are from the same clan, the clan's name begins with "Renov" and ends with "atio".
ITs called signing together on same vent/TS channell and all. :eek:
Coincidently, I've just checked the Oly record of one of the current heroes. Out of his last 7 matches, 6 matches were against the same player. What are the odds of that?
Both are from the same clan, the clan's name begins with "Renov" and ends with "atio".
The problem is that happening now without "feed waves" as well
For example, i got 3x times one person and after 3x times another person. both had 300-400 points more than me. Both are enemies. or 10 matches and 9 of them with different ppl who has much more points than me. How thats possible? The olympiad system shouldnt work like this.
you sign with them, no good opponents to them, you got it becuase maybe closest to them by pts (for example)
going out at same time you sign again, they do same.. repeat
may opinion is not not only oly is disbalanced but all database is distroied. even dailys rbs, perform some tipes of paterns that arent even close to game play or tank skills, or tyr provoke, everithing is ruined. Since when youve seen razor rain more provoking then tank's agro? each time i shadow chase on a player, mob ,rb, target turns with face to me, even iff is stunned, to avoid all this paterns, i started testing all skills that may char has, and i started avoiding skills that agro mob to me, by doing this i incres may chance in hiting with consederabile dmgs. from skills and normal atacks, more help i can give you on yul class and dager class , or tyr doombringer that has aoe skills that makes 0 dmg even on zaken RB:) I thinck this puzzle must start from 0. But here is big problem rerol database from first day. Thing that nobody wants:D 1 More thing is patern start after lvl 97 for may class since 97 i was 1 of top 10 darck elfs ghost hunters, butt from then till naw cammed some updates unimaginable that ruined game even more.