trying to figure this one out.... fully buffed... I have around 14-15k pdef... with dandy i still get hit for 80k damage from an archer.... of equal level.
When I hit an archer I hit them for less then 1K
IF i put on reflect... or UD the archers just run... if you get close to an archer they can blink away... or go into hide
now I know tank's arent 1 on 1 class... but with max hp at 150k and 25k CP as a tank you should be able to survive more then 3 hits. from an archer.
Does anyone have tips bc Id like to how other tanks can survive the dps other then UD / party rescue to bsoe / soe.
There are many factors in this 1v1 first off where is this 1v1 happening in oly or in open field if its oly you have a higher chance to actually win depending on how good you are and gears but if its open field there is a slim chance that you'll win since factors like yul's can use pots and tank doesn't do that much damage even with OE Dark cutter. So your best bet is not to waste time doing a 1v1 in open field against yul since in this chronicle tanks is a support that doesn't do damage while yul is a dd that hits like a truck :)
PS: as for your question how to survive more against a yul you have to play smart cast your tank defensive skills when their 101 skills is up and invest on better pvp damage reduction items :)
There are many factors in this 1v1 first off where is this 1v1 happening in oly or in open field if its oly you have a higher chance to actually win depending on how good you are and gears but if its open field there is a slim chance that you'll win since factors like yul's can use pots and tank doesn't do that much damage even with OE Dark cutter. So your best bet is not to waste time doing a 1v1 in open field against yul since in this chronicle tanks is a support that doesn't do damage while yul is dd that hits like a truck :)
in both conditions... not saying a tank can win a fight vs a range class.. but as front line in a pvp getting hit for 80k is redic... so a well timed volly of 3 archers can insta gib a tank before they can UD...
next up in oly... I can be 2 shot from stealth from a 101 archer with iron + knights + focus shield on. From a kelbim bow.
in both conditions... not saying a tank can win a fight vs a range class.. but as front line in a pvp getting hit for 80k is redic... so a well timed volly of 3 archers can insta gib a tank before they can UD...
next up in oly... I can be 2 shot from stealth from a 101 archer with iron + knights + focus shield on. From a kelbim bow.
I guess for now you can write here what do you have as your gears, lvl , and what tank do you have?
1) 14-15k pdef on tank is lol
2) you need more improve not def but pvp def
3) reflect is crap novadays
4) use your UDs when archer use instinct
i agree with you becouse on my tyrr with 13k p deff from stacked archer sometimes i get form 100k to nearly 200k dmg so almost 1hit if you have dark set even if its nots owerenchanted + some items who lowers crit dmg and pvp dmg you can be ok for longer, reflect is good but only on oly becouse in open field pvp they will get healed or use pots and gg, and oweral archers is still op so 1w1 its practicaly imposible if he dont play with hands and have dark items, ws normal archers pvp deff items schould help same as crit dmg reducion items, p deff nowdays is only usefull ws mobs or players with low gear
A tank is not only tank because it has high defense, plus also for its resistance, in addition to shield passive to block/defense against damage.
We must remember that the tank lost its resistance bow some time, and what should be the US big difference (shield defense/block), this totally outdated compared to the attack power of the other classes, not to mention that today we have class iss and tyrr with status to shield passive 70% defence/block (iss sword muse/tyr maestro).
The good news is that NCSOFT saw this absurd difference and this trying to solve this, so this next update Hellios, the tanker at level 100 will have 300 % lvl 102 - 350%, lvl 104 - 400% defense/shield block on passive (currently has only 100%) :), and be 20 % of passive resistance against bow/crossbow.
We have to wait and see if this will have any result
15k pdef is very low indeed, pvp mode I have 23k pdef with wizards and using skill refresh aura and as such I have np in mass pvp to run ahead - mind you never to far ahead that you can't cast noble sacrifice on your top dps in party..
in this update outside of Oly tanks should not waste their time trying to 1 vs 1 anything cause our PVP dps is abysmal low and easily out potted
just get max possible aka affordable pdef & pvp defense and try to play smart as even in this update tanks should be last to die imo :)
ps, as many said before pvp defense is top priority but any extra pdef you can get will help too even if it scales less effective as pvp defense it's still adding to your overall survivability.
lol dodge(the guy who owns every bot party that farms every 97+ raids in all servers) pretty nice gears in core :P is this where you put the cash that you get from farming those 97+ raids
lolz dodge you know your enemies sux pretty hardcore and that pvp on ncwest is much harder then that.. here there are +10 pvp sets / +15 or higher pvp weapons / lvl4 & 5 Amethyst and Ruby etc.
@dragon, dodge isn't even in top gear as such.. maybe by EU standards but deffi not NCWest standards.
anyways his point was more to show when to use tank skills and nothing else
trying to figure this one out.... fully buffed... I have around 14-15k pdef... with dandy i still get hit for 80k damage from an archer.... of equal level.
When I hit an archer I hit them for less then 1K
IF i put on reflect... or UD the archers just run... if you get close to an archer they can blink away... or go into hide
now I know tank's arent 1 on 1 class... but with max hp at 150k and 25k CP as a tank you should be able to survive more then 3 hits. from an archer.
Does anyone have tips bc Id like to how other tanks can survive the dps other then UD / party rescue to bsoe / soe.
Remind me the times when tank was a DD; you said you did only 1-2k damage. It's OK.
Pdef is like a half of success.
You have to reduce incoming pvp damage and Pcritical damage.
Obsidian, PVP defense belt, Abundance (at least Hunter/Outlaw/Conquerer)
And dark parts in your armor ofc.
Good tank has over200k HP, so even those 80k damage it's even less than a half.
Remind me the times when tank was a DD; you said you did only 1-2k damage. It's OK.
Pdef is like a half of success.
You have to reduce incoming pvp damage and Pcritical damage.
Obsidian, PVP defense belt, Abundance (at least Hunter/Outlaw/Conquerer)
And dark parts in your armor ofc.
Good tank has over200k HP, so even those 80k damage it's even less than a half.
But archers are really op.
good tanks has over 200k HP :O so im a bad tank :P
trying to figure this one out.... fully buffed... I have around 14-15k pdef... with dandy i still get hit for 80k damage from an archer.... of equal level.
When I hit an archer I hit them for less then 1K
IF i put on reflect... or UD the archers just run... if you get close to an archer they can blink away... or go into hide
now I know tank's arent 1 on 1 class... but with max hp at 150k and 25k CP as a tank you should be able to survive more then 3 hits. from an archer.
Does anyone have tips bc Id like to how other tanks can survive the dps other then UD / party rescue to bsoe / soe.
run around a tree, enjoy.
u dont PvP an fully buffed up archer straight on open fields if he doesnt wanna follow u then too bad for him, if u follow him u run into your own death.
range classes any kind just force them to come close or let them **** off.
i dont think a tank will win a archer anyway but it cant be hard run around a object untill his ******** skills fade off.
if u have a ******* hitting you on UD, then get naked and enjoy that massive reflect too him while u take max 10/100 dmg <- that works only with complete ******ed archers tho ;)
Good tank has over200k HP, so even those 80k damage it's even less than a half.
But archers are really op.
Max possible HP ingame is 150K which any decent tank should have no problem hitting when I can do it with STR dyes without using Valiant Scrolls or Weaver and just an lol Apo Cutter so not even PVP/PVE SA.
2nd part is pretty much true but soon a lot less so for Tanks only so who knows..