I am just wondering what everyone thinks 'the minimum gear requirement for level 99 and beyond' to enjoy lineage2 as a casual player.
There seems to be no end in lineage2. Leveling is not easy after 100+ and gearing has no end, either. Someone can spend $2,000 USD to get +12 dark weapon, + 8 dark set and all other pvp stuff but only to get 2-3 shotted by someone else who had spent $20,000 USD with +16 dark weapon, +10 darkset, ALL Level 5 Jewels...etc. What's really crazy is...if someone really goes all the way to make +12 dark Light set,for example, the player can have 20k+ Defense with full buff...yeah this is light set...and will be almost invincible in most pvp situations.
However....Nobody knows when NC will release the next series of high gears...making + 20 dark weapons, +12 dark sets, thing of the past and obsolete. It's like what happened to S, S80 weapons. Nobody cares for +16 S-grade weapons anymore.
As for leveling after LvL 100, I don't think it's really that important unless you are gonna do some PvP. If you are not doing pvp then LvL 100 and LvL 105 makes no difference at all cuz what LvL 100 and LvL 105 do everyday is pretty much the same...
This really is a broad question because it all depends on what you mean by enjoy and the type of people that you are talking about.
For instance:
Some people have no issues running around doing dailies, not even all of them 100+ because lets face it, if you get in a group going into tavern/gludio/AF and they don't at least have silver armor and a decently blue weapon you might as well kick them from the group because they are not going to be doing hardly any damage at all. On the other hand, its really doesn't take a lot of gear to do any of the other instance/bosses all the way through Epic Tauti and Dragons as long as you have enough people.
Then you have the elitist, the ones who spend at 100+ dollars every month everything is shiny, gold, red and so on. There is nothing wrong with these types of people either. They can enjoy their toon just as much as everyone else, they just tend to get the job of killing done faster than your average person.
I for one fall in the middle. I have spent about 1000 dollars total since the game went F2P. I know how to make money on the markets so my story is a little different than most however I still enjoy the game very much. I have a +12 Dark weapon, +8/6 Armor, Full decent boss jewel set, Level 3 brooches. I don't need the top of everything because I'm not trying to compete with the people who are spending 1000's of dollars a month on this game. I have no need to play with top tier people.
There is a power curve in L2, and it is very steep at the top. I personally don't have a need to be on top of the curve, as long as I'm ahead of 75% of it, I'm fine.
+++ S/S80 weapon no1 like more because there is no option to make him pvp, if someone have old in inventory is ok but moment when he delete pvp to may trade/sell that weapon become useless (same for old SA, if you have old is ok but if you like to make new weapon there is no option to make old SA)
For R/R+ all depend what class you play, for some class as ex. ISS I think to play in 100+ zones/instance you may go with immortal +4/3333 with x120 atr, but if you are tank/dagger/feon you will need R95. Same for weapons, if we talk for normal, in some class apo +4 2sa/300 is ok, for some (tyr/wyn/feon) you need +4 r95 2sa 300...
My opinion the there is no reason to any1 make problem to other for lvl99/100+ instance if he have any R95 +6 x120 set and any R95 +4 2sa 300 weapon. As I say for some class you not need to even have that.
Jewel is easy to get this days, if you are constant player sure you may get some normal epic and some soul maybe, COC jevel is also good replica
Try doing atelia instance/tavern/gludio instance/atelia gos grind with r95 weapon and armor set +6 especially if you are DD...
A level 99+ atleast should have +7 r99 weapon 2sa +6 r99 set better if they can have +8set r99.. and some basic boss jewels namely frintezza soul necklace, baium soul ring, queen and soul ring, blessed zaken earring and special pvp earings... as for jewels level 3 is fine and a 3 slot will do... their is always a room for improvement. Even though slow.. if you whine because the game got hard and ridiculous.. better play other games like minecraft....:D:D
I would never suggest an r95 OE items like +10 seraph set or +16 specter weapon.. bro your limiting yourself a room for improvement.. although nice ofcourse.. but take in mind that their is a big damage difference between weapon grade.. a +16 specter weapon will do same damage a +8 r99 weapon.. the sheet dps is somewhat high on +16 r95 but the actual dps is not.....
Try doing atelia instance/tavern/gludio instance/atelia gos grind with r95 weapon and armor set +6 especially if you are DD...
A level 99+ atleast should have +7 r99 weapon 2sa +6 r99 set better if they can have +8set r99.. and some basic boss jewels namely frintezza soul necklace, baium soul ring, queen and soul ring, blessed zaken earring and special pvp earings... as for jewels level 3 is fine and a 3 slot will do... their is always a room for improvement. Even though slow.. if you whine because the game got hard and ridiculous.. better play other games like minecraft....:D:D
I would never suggest an r95 OE items like +10 seraph set or +16 specter weapon.. bro your limiting yourself a room for improvement.. although nice ofcourse.. but take in mind that their is a big damage difference between weapon grade.. a +16 specter weapon will do same damage a +8 r99 weapon.. the sheet dps is somewhat high on +16 r95 but the actual dps is not.....
7+ r99 2SA = 8b
6+ r99 set = 4-5b
Soul jewelry + b. zaken = 13b
lv. 3 jewelry = say 3b
You think any player has the money to spend almost 30 billion in like one month worth of playing?
Come on :D
Even if you're a "cash player" selling NCoin for 1billion/20 USD you would have to pay 600 USD for "normal gear" as you put it.
Please rethink what you just said :o
Damage difference is also way less than what you're saying.. DPS does not change cause it is a different grade.
7+ blessed specter thrower = same P. Atk as standard 7+ R99 thrower = same DPS.
Pretty much same for every other weapon.
I do agree though, dont spend too much on R/R95, but there is no point starting with a 7+ amaranthine if u wont have the money to PVE it for another 2 years for example.
P. Def difference from a 6+ seraph set and 6+ eternal set is not even worth mentioning, we're talking like 5% higher P. Def, hardly worth it, seraph all the way.
On one hand, seraph cant be upgraded.
On the other hand, eternal can be upgraded to pve/pvp.
However, the cost to add PVE for example is ridiculous when you think about it - its cheaper just to buy somebodies old set.
So once again, buy seraph and keep it until you can upgrade to pve set :D
Jewelry is nothing groundbreaking, if you compare Baium/AQ/Tezza soul with the standard jewelry the only difference will be higher resistances & attack rate of debuffs, no real damage increase.
Please tell me why a DD would need high stun attack rate while doing an instance?
Although I do agree, with the gear ShakaZulu said AF grind & instance would be way too hard.
Although no other instance should be a problem at all, GOS exp should be easy aswell.
Of course, if you want to do PVP you would have to gear up.
But since you're quoting a PVE post...
Adena is easy if you know how to farm...:D:D
I will stand to what I say.. the higher the grade the higher the dps output and I already did some testing..
I used +12 apo slasher and compared it to +6 r99 slasher.. the calculated dps is higher on r99 items....
7+ r99 2SA = 8b
6+ r99 set = 4-5b
Soul jewelry + b. zaken = 13b
lv. 3 jewelry = say 3b
You think any player has the money to spend almost 30 billion in like one month worth of playing?
Come on :D
Even if you're a "cash player" selling NCoin for 1billion/20 USD you would have to pay 600 USD for "normal gear" as you put it.
Please rethink what you just said :o
Why does everyone thing they have to sell adena to get all this stuff? Why do you have to buy a +6 set? MAKE IT. The cost of enchants+lucky stones + clean armor + 120 element is normally cheaper that buying a +6 set already finished. Although it is getting cheaper and cheaper to buy, I always find it cheaper to make it yourself, just hope you're a little lucky. Same thing withe the Weapon.
P. Def difference from a 6+ seraph set and 6+ eternal set is not even worth mentioning, we're talking like 5% higher P. Def, hardly worth it, seraph all the way.
On one hand, seraph cant be upgraded.
On the other hand, eternal can be upgraded to pve/pvp.
However, the cost to add PVE for example is ridiculous when you think about it - its cheaper just to buy somebodies old set.
So once again, buy seraph and keep it until you can upgrade to pve set :D
While I do agree that the pdef difference is minimal at best. I prefer to be in an armor set that has room to grow with my toon. So I might have a +6 R99 set now, but later I can improve it to be a +8 set, and then either pvp or pve it whenever I come into some money, even if it is one piece at a time instead of a whole set at once.
Jewelry is nothing groundbreaking, if you compare Baium/AQ/Tezza soul with the standard jewelry the only difference will be higher resistances & attack rate of debuffs, no real damage increase.
While 99% true, AQ Soul does have increased Critical Rate compared to Standard, like you said nothing groundbreaking. But honestly if your not pvping Istina/Oct jewelry and CoC jewels are perfectly fine and you save billions by using them.
Try doing atelia instance/tavern/gludio instance/atelia gos grind with r95 weapon and armor set +6 especially if you are DD...
A level 99+ atleast should have +7 r99 weapon 2sa +6 r99 set better if they can have +8set r99.. and some basic boss jewels namely frintezza soul necklace, baium soul ring, queen and soul ring, blessed zaken earring and special pvp earings... as for jewels level 3 is fine and a 3 slot will do... their is always a room for improvement. Even though slow.. if you whine because the game got hard and ridiculous.. better play other games like minecraft....:D:D
I would never suggest an r95 OE items like +10 seraph set or +16 specter weapon.. bro your limiting yourself a room for improvement.. although nice ofcourse.. but take in mind that their is a big damage difference between weapon grade.. a +16 specter weapon will do same damage a +8 r99 weapon.. the sheet dps is somewhat high on +16 r95 but the actual dps is not.....
I never say the is not good to have more good items but just tell you the even with this what i say up with ppl with brain you will easy finis af or any other 99+ instance. If you all time search for 101+ chars with OE weapons you are noting. If you not force yourself to be more good player with low gear you are not good L2 player also... we all know to play with red/gold weapon/gear around but that not mean the we not even try make w/o... I just say the all that 99+ instance is possible with low stufs, all extra is welcome...
Adena is easy if you know how to farm...:D:D
I will stand to what I say.. the higher the grade the higher the dps output and I already did some testing..
I used +12 apo slasher and compared it to +6 r99 slasher.. the calculated dps is higher on r99 items....
Nah, no way a new player can farm 30b worth of equipment in one month or two, no way :rolleyes:
Thats 500m - 1b per day, just impossible.
then you did something wrong while testing :D
Why does everyone thing they have to sell adena to get all this stuff? Why do you have to buy a +6 set? MAKE IT. The cost of enchants+lucky stones + clean armor + 120 element is normally cheaper that buying a +6 set already finished. Although it is getting cheaper and cheaper to buy, I always find it cheaper to make it yourself, just hope you're a little lucky. Same thing withe the Weapon.
While I do agree that the pdef difference is minimal at best. I prefer to be in an armor set that has room to grow with my toon. So I might have a +6 R99 set now, but later I can improve it to be a +8 set, and then either pvp or pve it whenever I come into some money, even if it is one piece at a time instead of a whole set at once.
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Well..
Of course you have to check the price it cost to buy/sell?
You cant use "Make it yourself" as an argument in this case - its still WORTH xxx amount of adena.
And my point was you cant expect a one/two month old player to get all of that without buying NCoin - and my point was to show how silly it was saying you have to spend 600 USD to become "normal".
About the set, depends on how you look at it of course, some people like to spend their money unwisely..
Making a 8+ pve set from scratch is gonna cost you like double the price it cost to buy one from players :o
So, in my opinion, since the p def difference is minimal there isnt much point grabbing a r99 set - just get r95 and save your adena and grab a full pve set later.
But of course, to each their own
I am making 1b per day... and i think its not a secret for eviscerators..
I made 500kk to 600kk per coc...
If a new player cant do that then they will stay noob..
good for you , but how much arenas have COC per server? How much ppl are powerfull to win 16 COC in day? what if others not have char who may kill 10+ ppl per coc?
I am making 1b per day... and i think its not a secret for eviscerators..
I made 500kk to 600kk per coc...
If a new player cant do that then they will stay noob..
Ok, so you're telling me you can make a new character, and by the time you get lv. 99 you will have farmed 30 billion adena?
Keep in mind its not farming on a lv. 99.. its farming in lv. 85..86..87..
But regardless of that, 1b/day with plain 6+ eternal and 7+ R99 sounds amazing, please do tell :p
I assume you're not talking about merchants - cause theyre botted to hell
A lv. 99 without gear cant farm near 500-600m per day in COC come on :D
Theyre lucky if they win 1 out of the 16 matches..
P.s. this rofl guy.. you dont know because you know nothing.. 1b per can be done by 1 toon.. eviscerator.. regarding coc.. i use my yul dual.. with love potions.. i get per coc like 2 top grade lifestones.. i get 35 per coc run.. i do epics.. name all epics.. wity drop rune 200%.. last tauti normal i got tauti ring.. i sold for 18b.. now tell me rofl.. you dont know coz you really are clueless... omg......... i rest my case..
P.s. i dont spend much ncoin. Just prestige pack and a drop rate rune.. i keep my evis 101 for adena reasons and my yul dual now is 103....
P.s. this rofl guy.. you dont know because you know nothing.. 1b per can be done by 1 toon.. eviscerator.. regarding coc.. i use my yul dual.. with love potions.. i get per coc like 2 top grade lifestones.. i get 35 per coc run.. i do epics.. name all epics.. wity drop rune 200%.. last tauti normal i got tauti ring.. i sold for 18b.. now tell me rofl.. you dont know coz you really are clueless... omg......... i rest my case..
P.s. i dont spend much ncoin. Just prestige pack and a drop rate rune.. i keep my evis 101 for adena reasons and my yul dual now is 103....
tell me what from that what I say is not true? maybe i not know how to use coins shop because i never invest even one cent in game but i know to make money ingame well ok number for my casual play if we count my basic un-lackey
Send, send!
My GF is nagging me for equipment, I need a good way to farm :D
Try making 1 bro.. just made this just 3 weeks ago.. not playing much on that toon.. i am with my evi and iss.. good thing i leveled my iss 101.. just for pom so helpful.
If my dwarf is like your level.. i would go back being fs... and start spoiling mobs at gos.. well.. you dont because you cant...
yes? and let to znipo qq for CW after? :P
for some stuffs is no point to talk, I will maybe back if ncfail give use again free item ... in this time I more like get again red libra event and change dual to POM prophet...
Adena is easy if you know how to farm...:D:D
I will stand to what I say.. the higher the grade the higher the dps output and I already did some testing..
I used +12 apo slasher and compared it to +6 r99 slasher.. the calculated dps is higher on r99 items....
The grade of weapon does not matter. What matters when you compare 2 weapons of same Patk, lets say a +7 R99 Slasher and a +12 or so Apo Slasher with same patk, is the Soulshot lag. This is common and when it happens, while the Patk stays the same, the SS bonus dmg is different. Then the lower grade weapon delivers less dmg than expected, cause SS is not on. Stats matter, not grade
haha this guys is joke "i kill tauti and got the ring, maked 18b" .. mby he went with his bots and got the ring, if not, all the other ppl who kill the rb with him will no get the same profit from dailys what we are discussing here (Normal ppl, normal luck).. "u have to know farm" know what ? how get the item from an entire CC ? know how win 16 match per day with a 85 toon?.. theres no escuse this guy is fake and theres no way to become in an "normal player" in 1 or 2 months even 6 months farming dailys or epic rbs , at least for sure, if u are an extrem lucky person like this guy and get 1 spensive item from alot ppl who dont will get it in months or years, well yeah u become in an normal player in few weeks like hes saying (in that case just open event box and get billions of profit) but if u are a normal person, well prepare to farm 1 year and spend alot money to become in a normal player PVE, yes PVE because for PVP, well mby u can be ur entire life killing monters and u will never make top PVP gear toon w/o spending thousands of dollars..
haha this guys is joke "i kill tauti and got the ring, maked 18b" .. mby he went with his bots and got the ring, if not, all the other ppl who kill the rb with him will no get the same profit from dailys what we are discussing here (Normal ppl, normal luck).. "u have to know farm" know what ? how get the item from an entire CC ? know how win 16 match per day with a 85 toon?.. theres no escuse this guy is fake and theres no way to become in an "normal player" in 1 or 2 months even 6 months farming dailys or epic rbs , at least for sure, if u are an extrem lucky person like this guy and get 1 spensive item from alot ppl who dont will get it in months or years, well yeah u become in an normal player in few weeks like hes saying (in that case just open event box and get billions of profit) but if u are a normal person, well prepare to farm 1 year and spend alot money to become in a normal player PVE, yes PVE because for PVP, well mby u can be ur entire life killing monters and u will never make top PVP gear toon w/o spending thousands of dollars..
Dude FYI.. i did not get it the first try.. i got it on 28th try.. i run solo tauti normal with my iss.. well i use box.. either i borrow or rent box.... i am not 85.. i am 102 evis... and 103 yul dual.. soooooooooooooooo???? Think bro
Just wow, this girl...
I am making 1b per day... and i think its not a secret for eviscerators..
I made 500kk to 600kk per coc...
If a new player cant do that then they will stay noob..
1) not everyone is a nolifer playing a FOTM PVE OP class
2) how can someone as smart as you not know that weap grade does not matter?
I for one fall in the middle. I have spent about 1000 dollars total since the game went F2P. I know how to make money on the markets so my story is a little different than most however I still enjoy the game very much. I have a +12 Dark weapon, +8/6 Armor, Full decent boss jewel set, Level 3 brooches. I don't need the top of everything because I'm not trying to compete with the people who are spending 1000's of dollars a month on this game. I have no need to play with top tier people.
There is a power curve in L2, and it is very steep at the top. I personally don't have a need to be on top of the curve, as long as I'm ahead of 75% of it, I'm fine.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. :p
Dang! you now have my respect, Sir.
Had I known what I know now, I probably would have doubled the value of all the Ncoins that I spent; at least I got to have some fun and learned my lesson...(the hard way LOL)
tnx, let me tell you with what i have done AF in ~40 min with rose buff
tank 100
set r99 +4/3333 weapon r95 +6 bless cutter
So did is possible to make YES, did is more good if have more good gear/weapon YES but is not mandatory to have or not even try to make...
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. Players like you are the true L2 players and you have my sincere respect Sir.
I beg to disagree starato..
Try doing atelia instance/tavern/gludio instance/atelia gos grind with r95 weapon and armor set +6 especially if you are DD...
A level 99+ atleast should have +7 r99 weapon 2sa +6 r99 set better if they can have +8set r99.. and some basic boss jewels namely frintezza soul necklace, baium soul ring, queen and soul ring, blessed zaken earring and special pvp earings... as for jewels level 3 is fine and a 3 slot will do... their is always a room for improvement. Even though slow.. if you whine because the game got hard and ridiculous.. better play other games like minecraft....:D:D
I would never suggest an r95 OE items like +10 seraph set or +16 specter weapon.. bro your limiting yourself a room for improvement.. although nice ofcourse.. but take in mind that their is a big damage difference between weapon grade.. a +16 specter weapon will do same damage a +8 r99 weapon.. the sheet dps is somewhat high on +16 r95 but the actual dps is not.....
Although I mostly agree with "ShakaZuluPP" I also see your point and agree with you to a certain extent. I think what it is after LvL 99 is 1-2 level difference making a huge difference in instance running. Kama, for example, can easily be done with average LvL 100 DDs and gears don't seem to matter much. The trouble begins when LvL 99 DDs come in for the party and the whole Kama instance run can sometimes turn into a RAID! LOL often not even finishing the last boss within the time limit!(1hr) I think what OE R99 gears do is, making it possible for LvL 99 DDs to run LvL 100 instances, just 1 level faster; and allow LvL 100 DDs to run LvL 101+ instances.(Gludio, AF) It's like if you are geared you can go places little faster and level little faster, but that's about it.
Thank you for sharing your expertise on how to make adena at high level. Although I must admit it's kinda catch-20-20 type of situation, i.e. if you are geared, you can farm adena quite comfortably but if not...then....kinda hard.
I think it's the first high level toon that's hard, but once someone has LvL 99+ toon, everything becomes easy after that.
I like your Aspiration for OE gears though.
I have 3 x Yul archers LvL99+. One with +12 Bloody bow, the other with Kelbim Bow, and the last with +12 Blessed Specter Bow. While Kelbim and +12 blessed specter do about the same, the difference between +12 Bloody and others is quite staggering, especially when that Yul with +12 bloody bow is equipped with Blessed Valakas, Lindvior, earthWyrm..etc.
His normal attacks do the same damage as the other two's BRed damage...
yeah, exactly Double Damage all the time.
But what does this mean PvE-wise? K95 Duo in 17-18 minutes instead of 25-30 Minutes. Kama in 20-25 minutes(depending on the group but on average) instead of 30-35 minutes. My opinion on OE gears PvE-wise? They make things convenient, easy and allow me to go more places 1-2 level faster... that's about it.
You dont need r95 nor r99 weapons as a dd to do this instances even an r grade weapon should be fine :P
meh...I think you've gone too far...I once joined a Kama group as a Healer with All DDs with +4 plain Amaranthine and 50 minutes Kama run...:) O.K. so it wasn't a failure but a close one! For K95, CC&Baylor, Istina, Octavis, Tauti 2-3 parties...yeah plain Apo should be OK; but anything after Kama and beyond, I think +7, +8 Blessed Apocalypse 2SA at least is strongly recommended even if DD's level is high enough.(sorry if I sound like a gear snob here, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong)
Dang! you now have my respect, Sir.
Had I known what I know now, I probably would have doubled the value of all the Ncoins that I spent; at least I got to have some fun and learned my lesson...(the hard way LOL)
I'm not sure what I did to earn the respect but thanks for it anyways. I'm not big into paying for L2 chances with real cash. I know I have a gambling problem in real life, no need to introduce myself to it in the digital world too. I prolly would have spent more but I did take about a year and a half off.
Although I mostly agree with "ShakaZuluPP" I also see your point and agree with you to a certain extent. I think what it is after LvL 99 is 1-2 level difference making a huge difference in instance running. Kama, for example, can easily be done with average LvL 100 DDs and gears don't seem to matter much. The trouble begins when LvL 99 DDs come in for the party and the whole Kama instance run can sometimes turn into a RAID! LOL often not even finishing the last boss within the time limit!(1hr) I think what OE R99 gears do is, making it possible for LvL 99 DDs to run LvL 100 instances, just 1 level faster; and allow LvL 100 DDs to run LvL 101+ instances.(Gludio, AF) It's like if you are geared you can go places little faster and level little faster, but that's about it.
I can't attest too much to the level difference damage seeing as I'm only 100 and defiantly taking my time to get higher, but I know between 99 and 100 there isn't a huge difference in damage, other than the damage penalty from higher level mobs being reduced. I do agree with the OE gear to and extent as well. Whenever I run Gludio/AF/Kama/Tavern I like to see all the glowing red and gold in party with me, but with that being said, I have had parties where everyone was Shiny and the instance still took forever. There is a play value there as well. You can be geared to the teeth but if you don't know how to play your toon well, you just aren't going to have the damage that you should. Main case that I see is the Awesome Tyrr warriors spamming skills to no end in instance and then begging for MP.
I have 3 x Yul archers LvL99+. One with +12 Bloody bow, the other with Kelbim Bow, and the last with +12 Blessed Specter Bow. While Kelbim and +12 blessed specter do about the same, the difference between +12 Bloody and others is quite staggering, especially when that Yul with +12 bloody bow is equipped with Blessed Valakas, Lindvior, earthWyrm..etc.
His normal attacks do the same damage as the other two's BRed damage...
yeah, exactly Double Damage all the time.
But what does this mean PvE-wise? K95 Duo in 17-18 minutes instead of 25-30 Minutes. Kama in 20-25 minutes(depending on the group but on average) instead of 30-35 minutes. My opinion on OE gears PvE-wise? They make things convenient, easy and allow me to go more places 1-2 level faster... that's about it.
I would be curious to see what would happen if you tranfered all your jewels to the others and did a damage comparison between them. I would say Spector<Kelbim<Bloody, And I bet that the Kelbim and Bloody are fairy close depending on the SA and Aug that you have on the Bloody. I recently made a bloody weapon and haven't had the chance to enchant it much yet but at +4 300 element and 1SA Bloody pole it does 40 more damage with Mega Strike than my +12 300 element 2SA Dark pole does. I'm going to look into it farther but I fully expected the Dark to out damage the Bloody until it was at least +6 or so just because of the SS damage and Pattack difference, it surprised the hell out of me.
meh...I think you are going too far...I once joined a Kama group as a Healer with All DDs with +4 plain Amaranthine and 50 minutes Kama run...:) O.K. so it wasn't a failure but a close one! I think +7, +8 Blessed Apocalypse 2SA should be fine if DD's level is high enough though.
A +12 Blessed R grade Weapon normally has about 120Ish Pattack less than a +12 Blessed R99 so no HUGE difference until you PvE it. 50 Minute Kama runs are a bit excessive. I'm all about efficiency with my toon, that's the reason I make OE gear, not to be epic or anything like that but to make my toon the best and fastest at what it does.
I recently made a bloody weapon and haven't had the chance to enchant it much yet but at +4 300 element and 1SA Bloody pole it does 40 more damage with Mega Strike than my +12 300 element 2SA Dark pole does. I'm going to look into it farther but I fully expected the Dark to out damage the Bloody until it was at least +6 or so just because of the SS damage and Pattack difference, it surprised the hell out of me.
Now that is very interesting and would deserve it's own thread.
Maybe you can start one after you tested further.
Is the PVE/PVP bonus really "only" 15% or actually much more?
Same for Armor: Does it really lower the damage by "only" 20% or actually much more?
the level difference with mobs is a huge factor in the amount of damage done and simply said if the mobs are yellow/red you have a penalty, white is normal and green/light blue you have a boost effect.
this is why it's so insane easy to do Nightmare Kama or AF Instance on 104+ chars and even more so on stacked chars.
with regards to armor gear the whole PVE damage reduction is kind of irrelevant imo as the moment that becomes a factor it means your healer is bad.. armor should be really about boosting your DPS/Skill refresh/mp regen etc. and the only reason to go PVE armor imo is for the boost on Patt/Matt as well the "Bless" armor piece effect bonus it gives.
about the XP grind for lvl99/100 this update is kinda limited with only EV/HB as alternative for Instances but that will change with the next update, Helios, so things should get a lil easier "soon" aka whenever NCWest stops stalling and actually releases it.. Korea/Japan/Taiwan got it already.
meh...I think you've gone too far...I once joined a Kama group as a Healer with All DDs with +4 plain Amaranthine and 50 minutes Kama run...:) O.K. so it wasn't a failure but a close one! For K95, CC&Baylor, Istina, Octavis, Tauti 2-3 parties...yeah plain Apo should be OK; but anything after Kama and beyond, I think +7, +8 Blessed Apocalypse 2SA at least is strongly recommended even if DD's level is high enough.(sorry if I sound like a gear snob here, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong)
what I meant by R-grade is Kelbim,tauti and shadow weapons (final form) isn't those R grades XD nah im just fooling around tbh the amount of fun depends on the players playing and not on the amount of gears he has so ye enjoy the game spend if you can spend treat the game like a game and you'll just enjoy it how its suppose to be enjoyed :)
the amount of fun depends on the players playing and not on the amount of gears he has so ye enjoy the game spend if you can spend treat the game like a game and you'll just enjoy it how its suppose to be enjoyed :)
the amount of gears he has so ye enjoy the game spend if you can spend treat the game like a game and you'll just enjoy it how its suppose to be enjoyed :)
Quoted for simple honest Truth.
Sad but very low number of ppl think same, there are 99% who have play L2 in pre-GoD and who know how L2 is made to be hard... yes, I like GoD but most of ppl now let to game play with them not to they play game... they not see fun and pleasure in making impossible stuffs possible...
Now that is very interesting and would deserve it's own thread.
Maybe you can start one after you tested further.
Is the PVE/PVP bonus really "only" 15% or actually much more?
Same for Armor: Does it really lower the damage by "only" 20% or actually much more?
I'm working on the math right now why I'm getting the damage differences, its actually pretty easy because I don't have anything on either pole that affects damage directly, must HP/attack speed/crit damage SA's. I'll get to the armor later, I'm building a PvE set as well.
the level difference with mobs is a huge factor in the amount of damage done and simply said if the mobs are yellow/red you have a penalty, white is normal and green/light blue you have a boost effect.
this is why it's so insane easy to do Nightmare Kama or AF Instance on 104+ chars and even more so on stacked chars.
with regards to armor gear the whole PVE damage reduction is kind of irrelevant imo as the moment that becomes a factor it means your healer is bad.. armor should be really about boosting your DPS/Skill refresh/mp regen etc. and the only reason to go PVE armor imo is for the boost on Patt/Matt as well the "Bless" armor piece effect bonus it gives.
about the XP grind for lvl99/100 this update is kinda limited with only EV/HB as alternative for Instances but that will change with the next update, Helios, so things should get a lil easier "soon" aka whenever NCWest stops stalling and actually releases it.. Korea/Japan/Taiwan got it already.
Well the PvE armor has its uses other than the Boosts, I play weird time zones so I end up soloing most of the time without a healer, so the PvE damage reduction would come in handy. I didn't realize that HB was still a viable leveling place. I assume you are talking about phantasmal ridge and not the other 2 worthless locations right?
Try doing atelia instance/tavern/gludio instance/atelia gos grind with r95 weapon and armor set +6 especially if you are DD...
A level 99+ atleast should have +7 r99 weapon 2sa +6 r99 set better if they can have +8set r99.. and some basic boss jewels namely frintezza soul necklace, baium soul ring, queen and soul ring, blessed zaken earring and special pvp earings... as for jewels level 3 is fine and a 3 slot will do... their is always a room for improvement. Even though slow.. if you whine because the game got hard and ridiculous.. better play other games like minecraft....:D:D
I would never suggest an r95 OE items like +10 seraph set or +16 specter weapon.. bro your limiting yourself a room for improvement.. although nice ofcourse.. but take in mind that their is a big damage difference between weapon grade.. a +16 specter weapon will do same damage a +8 r99 weapon.. the sheet dps is somewhat high on +16 r95 but the actual dps is not.....
:D:D:D you dont realize what you are saing. minimum gear to have funn is maine:D on adager lvl 100 ghost hunter, i use r95 dual dagers 1 sa, set r95 +4 cas allwaise fails att+5+6:)) and i make atelia in itt. helfiire talisman, coc special rings 2x 1 special coc stun earing, zaken earing teza normal necklace not soul, becasue soul costs bils all ready and nothing more a decent lvl obsid on brouch for 2 slots and a cat eye lvl 2 3 dyes lvl 1, and thats all. And belive me i pvp even with chars 2 x3 times beter gear than me and many times i kick there *** :-P:D:D:D what you are saing above are only miss leading words.
get r99+4 3x120 armor
get r99+7 300ele so you can know peace from those wep linking f..#*&%^
get aq+oly ring as a warrior (or just normal r99 jewels if you are a mage)
I recently made a bloody weapon and haven't had the chance to enchant it much yet but at +4 300 element and 1SA Bloody pole it does 40 more damage with Mega Strike than my +12 300 element 2SA Dark pole does. I'm going to look into it farther but I fully expected the Dark to out damage the Bloody until it was at least +6 or so just because of the SS damage and Pattack difference, it surprised the hell out of me.
I'm working on the math right now why I'm getting the damage differences, its actually pretty easy because I don't have anything on either pole that affects damage directly, must HP/attack speed/crit damage SA's. I'll get to the armor later, I'm building a PvE set as well.
Now that is very interesting and would deserve it's own thread.
Maybe you can start one after you tested further.
Is the PVE/PVP bonus really "only" 15% or actually much more?
Same for Armor: Does it really lower the damage by "only" 20% or actually much more?
Skill power is not affected very much by P. Atk (1/5 or so), compared with normal attacks which are 1:1.
i.e 20% higher p atk will give 20% higher damage with normal attacks, but only ~3.5% higher damage with skills.
So assuming you get 40% higher P. Atk with your dark pole, in reality that will only give you like 8% higher skill damage.
SS bonus is 5.6% higher thus 8+5.6 = 13.6% < 1.4% less than PVE damage bonus.
Thats why, try hitting normally with pole and the damage will be much higher.
(Of course I got no idea how much P Atk you gain from your dark compared with bloody, but just giving you an example, 40% however sounds reasonable)
I was just using mega strike because it is a static damage skill and is way easier to track than averaging 100 normal hits but I still will do it both ways. But in normal PvE I have monitored damage between the 2 poles as well, and although the difference in Pattack and SS damage is fairly large the PvE pole still wins out, though only slightly. This is what I came up with so far just by doing the general math behind it without monitoring the damage directly. I think I am using the correct formula but if anyone knows if they are incorrect please lemme know.
+12 Dark Pole - 989 Pattack with 8.4% SS damage
Base 10,000 Damage X 1.084 (SS Boost) = 10840 X 0% (PvE Damage Boost) = 10840
+4 Bloody Pole - 764 Pattack with 2.8% SS damage
Base 10000 Damage X 1.028 (SS Boost) = 10280 X 15% (PvE Damage Boost) = 11822
So you can see that the increase is slight but gets larger the higher the numbers you use obviously. I'll average out 100 or more standard attacks to see if this is true. I won't use any buffs on my self or any target debuffs. I can't average Critical Damage to see if there is any difference because one of the poles has a Death SA on it for critical damage. I'll let you know if I find anything weird.
I was just using mega strike because it is a static damage skill and is way easier to track than averaging 100 normal hits but I still will do it both ways. But in normal PvE I have monitored damage between the 2 poles as well, and although the difference in Pattack and SS damage is fairly large the PvE pole still wins out, though only slightly. This is what I came up with so far just by doing the general math behind it without monitoring the damage directly. I think I am using the correct formula but if anyone knows if they are incorrect please lemme know.
+12 Dark Pole - 989 Pattack with 8.4% SS damage
Base 10,000 Damage X 1.084 (SS Boost) = 10840 X 0% (PvE Damage Boost) = 10840
+4 Bloody Pole - 764 Pattack with 2.8% SS damage
Base 10000 Damage X 1.028 (SS Boost) = 10280 X 15% (PvE Damage Boost) = 11822
So you can see that the increase is slight but gets larger the higher the numbers you use obviously. I'll average out 100 or more standard attacks to see if this is true. I won't use any buffs on my self or any target debuffs. I can't average Critical Damage to see if there is any difference because one of the poles has a Death SA on it for critical damage. I'll let you know if I find anything weird.
When i tested tyrr skills there was not a big difference between s grade and r99 ( not oed r99) and topics claiming that tyrr skils are not weapon dependent. Try testing with lower grade mega strike and see the difference. To me seems that mega strike doesnt apply the dark weapon bonus at all. Or im just too sleepy to understand it, in case im wrong :p
When i tested tyrr skills there was not a big difference between s grade and r99 ( not oed r99) and topics claiming that tyrr skils are not weapon dependent. Try testing with lower grade mega strike and see the difference. To me seems that mega strike doesnt apply the dark weapon bonus at all. Or im just too sleepy to understand it, in case im wrong :p
I beg to disagree that tyrr skills are not dependent to weapon grade and enchanted level and stats.. same goes for other class also... maybe on iss.. the one i observe all in all is the higher the stats and grade it has the higher the dps it gives.. try comparing pve/pvp weapon +16 to +16 r95/r/s80..
I was just using mega strike because it is a static damage skill and is way easier to track than averaging 100 normal hits but I still will do it both ways. But in normal PvE I have monitored damage between the 2 poles as well, and although the difference in Pattack and SS damage is fairly large the PvE pole still wins out, though only slightly. This is what I came up with so far just by doing the general math behind it without monitoring the damage directly. I think I am using the correct formula but if anyone knows if they are incorrect please lemme know.
+12 Dark Pole - 989 Pattack with 8.4% SS damage
Base 10,000 Damage X 1.084 (SS Boost) = 10840 X 0% (PvE Damage Boost) = 10840
+4 Bloody Pole - 764 Pattack with 2.8% SS damage
Base 10000 Damage X 1.028 (SS Boost) = 10280 X 15% (PvE Damage Boost) = 11822
So you can see that the increase is slight but gets larger the higher the numbers you use obviously. I'll average out 100 or more standard attacks to see if this is true. I won't use any buffs on my self or any target debuffs. I can't average Critical Damage to see if there is any difference because one of the poles has a Death SA on it for critical damage. I'll let you know if I find anything weird.
Your math is correct, but the base damage on your dark pole would not be 10k, thats all.
Post your P. Atk with dark pole, then post P. Atk with PVE pole please.
When i tested tyrr skills there was not a big difference between s grade and r99 ( not oed r99) and topics claiming that tyrr skils are not weapon dependent. Try testing with lower grade mega strike and see the difference. To me seems that mega strike doesnt apply the dark weapon bonus at all. Or im just too sleepy to understand it, in case im wrong :p
As I said above, P. Atk does not affect skill damage very much, thus the difference between for example a 4+ R95 wep and 4+ R99 weapon will be very small.
Dark/Bloody will increase damage 15% however, you're wrong there.
Your math is correct, but the base damage on your dark pole would not be 10k, thats all.
Post your P. Atk with dark pole, then post P. Atk with PVE pole please.
I realize the base damage isn't correct, I was just using it as an example to show the math I was using to make sure I was correct. The equasions work out why it happens though.
10981 Base Pattack with only Clan Advent with Dark Pole.
9530 Base Pattack with only Clan Advent with Bloody Pole.