1. I joined the Kama group and this party leader was obsessed with the idea of making a perfect party...So many people joined the party room and left over the time period of 50 minutes... When we finally ran the Kama instance, it took 25 minutes...not bad but when considering most kama runs take about 30 minutes even with semi-decently-geared 99s, I gotta ask, "Was is worth spending 50 minutes to save 5 minutes???"
2. People not knowing how to play their toon. Iss Never doing Debuff; healer Spamming Group heal only, don't know how to use other heal skills and don't know how to recharge; Tanks with no aura, DDs doing auto-attack only and by DDs I mean not just Tyrr...and worst of all....No English! LOL..."NO English Sorry" is all they know...
3. People getting 1 shotted by CC Armor Boss AOE...0 elemental defense, I assume? This happens a lot especially with someone boxing the ISS enchanter and not know to use shadow blade debuff on the boss, -40% damage reduction.
4. spending over 60B to make +12 Bloody weapon 2SA then....finding out the exact same weapon is sitting at the AH for 30B the next day...
5. people who like to micro-manage other player's play style and tell them how to play their class...O.K. some of it is worth noticing but a lot of times...it makes little or no difference... just annoying.(I hope my #2 & 3 don't fall in the category)
2. People not knowing how to play their toon. Iss Never doing Debuff; healer Spamming Group heal only, don't know how to use other heal skills and don't know how to recharge; Tanks with no aura, DDs doing auto-attack only and by DDs I mean not just Tyrr...and worst of all....No English! LOL..."NO English Sorry" is all they know...
True, on Freya i see maybe 97% of the healers i played with don't know how to heal. They never do reset on the target, they play only with balance heal and doing only rebirth, no other recharge and waiting only for brilliant purge, while there is single purge... Just awful. Maybe they play like this from laziness or perhaps they really don't know how to play. More sad is they are level 100 and above. They make me so sick that if i had ban privileges, there would be mass ban hammer for this. This 3% healers i can count with my fingers on both hands, maybe hardly...
Too many people don't know how to play their classes on high levels such as 100+, very sad situation. Maybe they just don't want to learn it...
Yesterday i went to Very Epic Tauti with 5 random parties, most of them had Elysium Weapons, if not all. We finish it 5 min before time end. Many dead on each tauti skill and i start to die after few min, just because i had ressurect the dead and give them noblesse, intead of hitting tauti and watching his skills. And nobody had macro when to Run or stay Close. Ultra Epic Tauti was. Won't enter there with randoms anymore QQ. I thought it would be fun, but i wanted to cry.
1. I joined the Kama group and this party leader was obsessed with the idea of making a perfect party...So many people joined the party room and left over the time period of 50 minutes... When we finally ran the Kama instance, it took 25 minutes...not bad but when considering most kama runs take about 30 minutes even with semi-decently-geared 99s, I gotta ask, "Was is worth spending 50 minutes to save 5 minutes???"
2. People not knowing how to play their toon. Iss Never doing Debuff; healer Spamming Group heal only, don't know how to use other heal skills and don't know how to recharge; Tanks with no aura, DDs doing auto-attack only and by DDs I mean not just Tyrr...and worst of all....No English! LOL..."NO English Sorry" is all they know...
3. People getting 1 shotted by CC Armor Boss AOE...0 elemental defense, I assume? This happens a lot especially with someone boxing the ISS enchanter and not know to use shadow blade debuff on the boss, -40% damage reduction.
4. spending over 60B to make +12 Bloody weapon 2SA then....finding out the exact same weapon is sitting at the AH for 30B the next day...
5. people who like to micro-manage other player's play style and tell them how to play their class...O.K. some of it is worth noticing but a lot of times...it makes little or no difference... just annoying.(I hope my #2 & 3 don't fall in the category)
Yes.. players who play game for years and still dont know how his class work...90% randoms or more from freya server (old magmeld too) sucks.
Healers who waste mp in 2 minuts, healers who dont know they have 1 heal skill called progresive heal who heal whole party (yes wynn pets too they forgot sometimes pets need heal).
Healer who dont have pt debuff option u can pray for mass cleanse...
Tyrrs spaming skills...using ogre instead of bear who is best for dps (if u dont take crazy damages ofc) using eruption in kamaloka..using sonic star in kamaloka.. (no work vs those mobs)
Wynn using pole 2 days ago in kamaloka...i ask him and he tell me where is the problem? no comments..
Iss who debuff 1 time each 5 minuts, using single cripling/shadow blade instead of use mass debuffs, yes minions in kamaloka hit too and if u dont use this mass debuffs party take more damage and u make it more hard for healer.
Iss start buffs for harmonys or melodys (overbuff problems, yes some are smart and remove before but not others losing buffs and losing dps)
Thx god my cp is really nice even with bad items still x10 better than 99% random partys who i ever played here...
can write 200 examples more but anyway they can reach lv105 with same mistakes..people seems brainless sometimes. :cool:
True, on Freya i see maybe 97% of the healers i played with don't know how to heal. They never do reset on the target, they play only with balance heal and doing only rebirth, no other recharge and waiting only for brilliant purge, while there is single purge... Just awful. Maybe they play like this from laziness or perhaps they really don't know how to play. More sad is they are level 100 and above. They make me so sick that if i had ban privileges, there would be mass ban hammer for this. This 3% healers i can count with my fingers on both hands, maybe hardly...
Too many people don't know how to play their classes on high levels such as 100+, very sad situation. Maybe they just don't want to learn it...
Yesterday i went to Very Epic Tauti with 5 random parties, most of them had Elysium Weapons, if not all. We finish it 5 min before time end. Many dead on each tauti skill and i start to die after few min, just because i had ressurect the dead and give them noblesse, intead of hitting tauti and watching his skills. And nobody had macro when to Run or stay Close. Ultra Epic Tauti was. Won't enter there with randoms anymore QQ. I thought it would be fun, but i wanted to cry.
Yes.. this is the problem in epic tauti when u play with noobs, even if u know what need to do the dead of others make u fail when u need res the noobs.
one more dreamseeker useles post......
Stavento, you go to this 97%. Also you look kinda angry, maybe i am wrong, did we offended you ?
IF U THINK U CAN DO IT BETTER... MAKE A HEALER AND PLAY IT ACTIVE
Got a healer ye, played it in pve and pvp and do it way better for sure, 'cause wherever i go i use all needed skills. No laziness here.
AND DONT PISS HEALER CLASS
!!!! WE HAVE PARTY RETURN... AND WE HAVE THE REZZ....
Poor selfish kid, wowowow calm down important class, we don't want to piss healer and lose instance. Oh wait ! Iss also have heal and iss like me can keep a full party in Kama alone without losing the mana and maybe sometimes give bless res.(no problem at all) depends on what gear they have. So what if you PR ? I got buffs and heal, reenter fast and we doing it without the angry offended healer, then the healer lose the instance. How's such situation work for you "important class" ?
Imagine if iss use Quick Return and there is no one else in the party to change the iss and you killed the first raid in Kama or other instance... There you go fail. So what you will /block the iss and not play with it. Then let's all /block and ignore each other everytime someone get offended and make the party fail. Then what ?
BUT JUST IN CASE U THINK THE HEALER IN YOUR PARTY IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG.... U CAN POLITELLY ASK HIM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY....
It's like to ask ISS in party every 20 seconds to debuff and every few min to buff and give Battle Rhapsody and stuffs, because if you don't ask the ISS he won't do it. Why should ?!?! Iss can only give buffs and stay away and watch, just like Healer cast only few skills, while there is more to support the party. Do your job always like you should and such threads won't be made.
Never put your class above all, there is no such thing as "I am the most important in party and you can't do anything without me"
http://i.imgur.com/OkWiyPn.gif
This gif shoul've be enough answer to your post, but not everyone would understand, maybe you wouldn't too with your IQ.
As a healer, my pet peeve is the ISS that uses all their AoE de-buffs on single targets, drives me straight up the f&#%ing wall...there's 2 single target de-buffs (crippling/shadow) in your skill window, use those on single targets...Oblivion/scourge/suspension are almost pointless, the land rate seems to suck compared to shadow/crippling (my iss is 97 with above average gear and they dont land well when soloing that ive seen) their covered by other toons in party anyway, so in group PvE, use them sparingly if at all IMO
Also Stavento...I cant say what I want in the forums in regard to your comments because they would be construed as an attack...but you need to rethink your entire post/outlook on what it is to be a healer in an MMO.
i won't bother with this post any more.... not for people who want to be sleeping and pressing F1. and every 20 sec F2....
Only one thing for u Ullia.... i bet u know how to play healer and bacically... all the classes as well... but think about it... why ur main class is an iss and ur dual damage dealer? same question is for the rest of u.... do u wanna know the answer?
cause u like to be sleeping and pressing F1 and F2 in occassions....
i don't blame u for it... i have dds myself i enjoy... but seriously... dont think that kamaloka is a importan raid.... its not pvp mate... its kama...
and yes... now u might not need healer... at lvl 101 you will dual it with an evi... but how did u got 100/100? just think about it... and be more polite in your words. (kiddo)
i won't bother with this post any more.... not for people who want to be sleeping and pressing F1. and every 20 sec F2....
Only one thing for u Ullia.... i bet u know how to play healer and bacically... all the classes as well... but think about it... why ur main class is an iss and ur dual damage dealer? same question is for the rest of u.... do u wanna know the answer?
cause u like to be sleeping and pressing F1 and F2 in occassions....
i don't blame u for it... i have dds myself i enjoy... but seriously... dont think that kamaloka is a importan raid.... its not pvp mate... its kama...
I didn't choose to be iss, it was my friends choice when i start lineage 2 i didn't know anything about this game. I liked iss and stick to it. And i found way to make good adena with it, while with healer which i like to play (sometimes more than iss(, won't be able to do them. I like many classes in this game, but in this server is expensive to change like money and time.
Now as for my dual class, it was healer maybe 3 years ago (but that was not the end of playing as healer), then i re-awaken to archer, because playing only support was little boring for me and when i wanted to change again, because i learned the game and saw that wasting money on different gear at such expensive game is not cool, i was already above 95 and didn't want to level again. Now i am tyrr to use same gear and not because it's F1 only in pve. I really want to be healer as dual now, but it's all about money.
The problem with the healers is not only in Kamaloka, but some other instances where it's more important. Don't know how you rate the instances what is more important ! :D
Since in this post u are not offencive... i will answer to that...
every instance is important in the way it must be done with everyone getting their share of exp...
but some isnances are way easier than others....
take balok for example... a healer can use only onse lumi and the instance to be over... or if hell brake loose must keep all party alive and iss mp up so that can rebuff the imprisoned ones...
kama usually is something in the midle.... 9/10 balance heal + progressive + brilliant recharge + rebirth is enough... usualy that's not heal intensive... if the healer has to do... way more that means that something is not right... once i had an evicerator with plus 12 bloody fists and some elegia parts as armor... how can u keep that alive? always agro boss always one shot...
so what i consider important instances are the ones tha need more awareness from my (healer ) part 90% of the time.
an lately all the kamalokas i do mostly 100 lvl parties are not...
if some times the dd in pt are a bit squishy... i ask them to kill the dmg dealing minions and all is good... we might take 5 more minutes... but so what?
instance is done... all are happy. on the other hand... if someone or more than one die in a harder instance like tavern... that can compromise healer possitioning and can have as result healer dying and instance to fail after....
not all healers gear is the same... i know first hand from my healers... some people make money from coc.. others like me have many chars (that parties desire) to do raids... ant trust i know how to work best with the char and the equip i have on. :)
some have eternal, some have seraph and some twilight... but all have atleast apo weapon mana up and acumen... as for at what percent i am... we will talk about than next time we party as we have many times before :)
Too many people don't know how to play their classes on high levels such as 100+, very sad situation. Maybe they just don't want to learn it...Red Libra has to take some of the blame for this. When I changed my dual to healer during the 1st Red Libra event, I was one of those lvl 100 noob *** healers who didn't know the class as well as you would think a lvl 100 should. I mean, I did learn and got quite good at it...but there was a week or so til I had a decent handle on it. And different instances require different techniques, so there's a learning curve to a degree...at least if you haven't played a healer.
True, on Freya i see maybe 97% of the healers i played with don't know how to heal. They never do reset on the target, they play only with balance heal and doing only rebirth, no other recharge and waiting only for brilliant purge, while there is single purge... Just awful. Maybe they play like this from laziness or perhaps they really don't know how to play. More sad is they are level 100 and above. They make me so sick that if i had ban privileges, there would be mass ban hammer for this. This 3% healers i can count with my fingers on both hands, maybe hardly...
Too many people don't know how to play their classes on high levels such as 100+, very sad situation. Maybe they just don't want to learn it...
Yesterday i went to Very Epic Tauti with 5 random parties, most of them had Elysium Weapons, if not all. We finish it 5 min before time end. Many dead on each tauti skill and i start to die after few min, just because i had ressurect the dead and give them noblesse, intead of hitting tauti and watching his skills. And nobody had macro when to Run or stay Close. Ultra Epic Tauti was. Won't enter there with randoms anymore QQ. I thought it would be fun, but i wanted to cry.
WOW, you really DO sound like someone who knows how to play the healer class. You have my respect! For me, it's the Dagger class(not counting the bounty fake daggers) that shows the big difference. Basically CW daggers do 50%+ more damage from behind but I see so many daggers hitting the Raid Boss from the Front??! They even got the "shadow chase" skill which teleport them instantly to the back of the Raid Boss but they just hit the front and often times don't even bother to use blow skills...just CW and they think they've done their job.
Red Libra has to take some of the blame for this. When I changed my dual to healer during the 1st Red Libra event, I was one of those lvl 100 noob *** healers who didn't know the class as well as you would think a lvl 100 should. I mean, I did learn and got quite good at it...but there was a week or so til I had a decent handle on it. And different instances require different techniques, so there's a learning curve to a degree...at least if you haven't played a healer.
Man...I admire your courage and I hope you have a lot of patience...cuz the healer class is a class that is taken for granted. What I mean is, even if you do everything perfect flawlessly, people are not gonna notice or even thank you; for them it's something just normal and nothing special...
HOWEVER! if you make ONE-SINGLE_MISTAKE! OMG! Guys like XXX will be all over you! One mistake and they will tell you "NOOB?", "BOT?", "I can box my healer better than that!" etc. I hope you are prepared for this...
1. I joined the Kama group and this party leader was obsessed with the idea of making a perfect party...So many people joined the party room and left over the time period of 50 minutes... When we finally ran the Kama instance, it took 25 minutes...not bad but when considering most kama runs take about 30 minutes even with semi-decently-geared 99s, I gotta ask, "Was is worth spending 50 minutes to save 5 minutes???"
The concept of nightmare kamaloka nowadays refers to the time it takes to be done. Less time to be done, better.
In my view, I consider it a party full taking less than forty minutes acceptable time.
With over geared players from fifteen to twenty-five minutes is enough.
Already with an allmighty Evi combined with a Iss, just winked and done.
The question is: What would be a perfect party for you?
Yesterday i went to Very Epic Tauti with 5 random parties, most of them had Elysium Weapons, if not all. We finish it 5 min before time end. Many dead on each tauti skill and i start to die after few min, just because i had ressurect the dead and give them noblesse, intead of hitting tauti and watching his skills. And nobody had macro when to Run or stay Close. Ultra Epic Tauti was. Won't enter there with randoms anymore QQ. I thought it would be fun, but i wanted to cry.
On the day in question I was with you on Epic Tauti as healer, you obviously in another party, uncertain of what would happen, after all go with randoms is like giving a shot in the dark.
Fortunately has been a shot that was successfully.
Although things barely walk from Zahak's that healer is unable to be 99% in the target of Tauti and consequently can't see what type of skill he would cast (away or to close) combined with lack of a macro to notice, has a dilemma washed down with countless deaths in all, including me 3x.
Anyway, this doesn't discourage me, I would do it again, with some organization and hope for a better loot from Tauti.
Somehow could also add other things that usually not seen and now as:
I - That moronic save VP system at instanced dungeons ( or may be not) ?
The fact that almost unanimous say that 10 parties to kartia, 8 are save VP, coupled with the fact the players go to small parties of two, three, up to five players, then wonder if such casual players would like to lose so long time in a single instance, 20 minutes with dm buff and another 10 to 20 minutes to kill a boss (depending on size of party and their equips).
Or is this the tendency of players to be accommodated to the point of not going behind a Dimensional Treasure Chest and take such buff and go to farm for 10 minutes to the point that they have a VP a bit refueled? To have to reach such a level with such equipment that is not even decent in character due to prioritize so only exp, level up, exp, level up?
Not to mention the fact that once popularized it, it has become so recurrent be numerous fail parties to Kartia also.
II - Spirit of Shilen from Shillien Templar for everyone?
Increasingly common to see Shillien Templar in parties, obviously being dualboxing or triboxing some other player already in the party, benefiting only to status and consequently kill extremely fast mode. As has been seen in instances such as Istina, Octavis, Baylor, Balok, Mystic Tavern, AF and many others who have copied the great idea and are leveleing in Kartia 85, 90 and 95 already.
Then I think of such instances if such players are enough suckers to join them, at the risk of coming good loot a raid boss and consequently come to the Shillien Templar the best item. In other words, you would go with them to the point of increasing the chances of them getting an item and decrease your chances of achieving the same item?
Once in situations like this, you should find all this normal?
Tyrrs spaming skills...using ogre instead of bear who is best for dps (if u dont take crazy damages ofc) using eruption in kamaloka..using sonic star in kamaloka.. (no work vs those mobs)
And you know what's funny? Some players complaint: "why you ( as a Tyrr ) do not use skills"? Yupp.
For those who aren't familiar with Tyrr's damage dealing technique ( which differs from let's say yuls/othells ) you should know that it's done via auto-attacks. Just debuff and auto attack.
About feral cry choosing: yes, Bear Cry has highest dps but it might have some exceptions- i mean if Tyrr is a new player he might not have maximum critical rate ( which is 500 ) so if critical rate is low then Hawk cry might be useful. Off course each case is individual and you need to do your own math. Critical damage multiplier is another key factor, so yeah grab your calculator and do the testing.
Ogre cry: if you have tank in the party or you don't take collosal damage from mobs then, please, abstain from it- your damage suffers. It is Bear if your crit is maxed out/close to this or if crit is low then probably hawk cry.
true, on freya i see maybe 97% of the healers i played with don't know how to heal. They never do reset on the target, they play only with balance heal and doing only rebirth, no other recharge and waiting only for brilliant purge, while there is single purge... Just awful. Maybe they play like this from laziness or perhaps they really don't know how to play. More sad is they are level 100 and above. They make me so sick that if i had ban privileges, there would be mass ban hammer for this. This 3% healers i can count with my fingers on both hands, maybe hardly...
Too many people don't know how to play their classes on high levels such as 100+, very sad situation. Maybe they just don't want to learn it...
Yesterday i went to very epic tauti with 5 random parties, most of them had elysium weapons, if not all. We finish it 5 min before time end. Many dead on each tauti skill and i start to die after few min, just because i had ressurect the dead and give them noblesse, intead of hitting tauti and watching his skills. And nobody had macro when to run or stay close. Ultra epic tauti was. Won't enter there with randoms anymore qq. I thought it would be fun, but i wanted to cry.
thnk god u dont have ban privilages!!! Kiddo play your class . Focus on your class... And if u r so pro that u can judge others... Why dont u find a cp so u dont have to deal with us noobs... That goes to your dreamseeker....
thnk god u dont have ban privilages!!! Kiddo play your class . Focus on your class... And if u r so pro that u can judge others... Why dont u find a cp so u dont have to deal with us noobs... That goes to your dreamseeker....
It's simple, i can not always play at the time when my CP do. So happens to play with randoms and judge them, just because i can.
oh i just saw,,, u pro are still lvl 100 at least my noob healer is 101 going to 102 for the new helios... lvl up a bit instead of spending time in forums....
Tyrrs are my biggest pet peeve. I love seeing Tyrrs in CC/Baylor spamming Mega Strike, Sonic Star, Eruption and so on.
Armor Destruction > Swing for 20 seconds > Repeat.
Keep self buffs up and that's it. You've now know how to Tyrr.
My second pet peeve is people who use skills like Giants Punch or similar skills in AOE PvE, it especially bothers me when there is a Feoh in party who doesn't use snare and also someone using Giants Punch or similar skill. I thought the point of AOE was to get all the mobs as close together as possible.