Why fight the bots now NC Soft?

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12 years ago, when I started, y'all embraced the bots as if they were long lost family. They ran rampant everywhere. It was quite clear the EULA and TOS meant nothing to you. The damage was done, the game relegated to obscurity and bargain bin status. The subs dwindled and then the game went free to play with a cash shop in effort to milk the last dregs y'all could. The game is on its death bed, life support beeping quietly in the background. The prognosis is grim.

Now, all of a sudden y'all are trying to combat the bots and scripts. After more than a DECADE of abuse, y'all begin to take action. Why now? What's more why take action that is also detrimental to legitimate players, those few left? Mostly I am referring to the xp nerfs in the field. Sure you boosted the xp from questing, but having OPTIONS is nice. OPTIONS are a big part of what makes an MMO enjoyable.

Signed,
A Disappointed Beta Player
12 years ago, when I started, y'all embraced the bots as if they were long lost family. They ran rampant everywhere. It was quite clear the EULA and TOS meant nothing to you. The damage was done, the game relegated to obscurity and bargain bin status. The subs dwindled and then the game went free to play with a cash shop in effort to milk the last dregs y'all could. The game is on its death bed, life support beeping quietly in the background. The prognosis is grim.

Now, all of a sudden y'all are trying to combat the bots and scripts. After more than a DECADE of abuse, y'all begin to take action. Why now? What's more why take action that is also detrimental to legitimate players, those few left? Mostly I am referring to the xp nerfs in the field. Sure you boosted the xp from questing, but having OPTIONS is nice. OPTIONS are a big part of what makes an MMO enjoyable.

Signed,
A Disappointed Beta Player
okay now I've seen everything.

Just get lost with your nonsense.
i think scripts are so game-destroying they had to do something.

bots are not rly a threat so much now. they should be removed but scripting was literally killing pvp, who knows if it will be back.
12 years ago, when I started, y'all embraced the bots as if they were long lost family. They ran rampant everywhere. It was quite clear the EULA and TOS meant nothing to you. The damage was done...
......
Now, all of a sudden y'all are trying to combat the bots and scripts. After more than a DECADE of abuse, y'all begin to take action. Why now? .....
Because, just now they got it! :rolleyes:
Some people need more time to understand a simple thing.... ;)
minor detail but 12years ago Big Data Analytics didn't exist so feel free to replace that part by "wth have you guyz been doing the last ~4yrs" instead ;)
okay now I've seen everything.

Just get lost with your nonsense.

You clearly do not know how to use your brain. I'm also guessing you weren't around for Lineage II's golden years such as this game had any. This game has always possessed the potential for greatness. And this greatness has been wasted year after year by NC Soft.
You clearly do not know how to use your brain.
Well you need quite a special brain to see a correlation between nerfed XP field rates (not drops) and bots. I recommend tin-foil hat.

I'm also guessing you weren't around for Lineage II's golden years such as this game had any. This game has always possessed the potential for greatness. And this greatness has been wasted year after year by NC Soft.
I was.
Rest of the above I agree.

Still now demanding to accept the bots cause they "have always been here" is beyond stupid.

Get even more lost.
Well you need quite a special brain to see a correlation between nerfed XP field rates (not drops) and bots. I recommend tin-foil hat.

I was.
Rest of the above I agree.

Still now demanding to accept the bots cause they "have always been here" is beyond stupid.

Get even more lost.

You truly are dumb. At no point did I demand that NC Soft, nor anyone else accept the bots. What I did say is that the measures they are using are counter-productive. NC Soft has always tried to use automated methods of fighting bots. Automated methods have always failed. If they didn't nerf field xp as yet one more measure to hurt botting? Then why nerf it at all? I cannot see a logical reason at all for this nerf aside from an effort to hamper botting. The field drops are just one more proof that NC Soft is as truly as dumb as you are. You don't by chance work for them do you?

There is one, and ONLY one way to truly combat botting, and that is with a living breathing human being. What you CAN automate is the collection of data that allows the human to better monitor the population. However, only a human being can be intelligent enough to correctly read the patterns and deduce who is violating the TOS and EULA.

If NC Soft fought the bots INTELLIGENTLY, then there would be no reason to complain about their methods.
You truly are dumb. At no point did I demand that NC Soft, nor anyone else accept the bots. What I did say is that the measures they are using are counter-productive. NC Soft has always tried to use automated methods of fighting bots. Automated methods have always failed. If they didn't nerf field xp as yet one more measure to hurt botting? Then why nerf it at all? I cannot see a logical reason at all for this nerf aside from an effort to hamper botting. The field drops are just one more proof that NC Soft is as truly as dumb as you are. You don't by chance work for them do you?

There is one, and ONLY one way to truly combat botting, and that is with a living breathing human being. What you CAN automate is the collection of data that allows the human to better monitor the population. However, only a human being can be intelligent enough to correctly read the patterns and deduce who is violating the TOS and EULA.

If NC Soft fought the bots INTELLIGENTLY, then there would be no reason to complain about their methods.
- field xp was "nerfed" in Helios cos some mobs were made easier, there you got your logical reason Mr. Einstein. Its all in the patch notes, you're just to dumb to read lolz.
- live-GM will never happen. I'm ***ing glad they have auto-methods now that actually do something. Just waiting for 3rd ban-wave (hope perma).

What I read from your BS: "Pleeeeeeeeeeease let me keep on botting". Hmmmm.
Nope.
- field xp was "nerfed" in Helios cos some mobs were made easier, there you got your logical reason Mr. Einstein. Its all in the patch notes, you're just to dumb to read lolz.
- live-GM will never happen. I'm ***ing glad they have auto-methods now that actually do something. Just waiting for 3rd ban-wave (hope perma).

What I read from your BS: "Pleeeeeeeeeeease let me keep on botting". Hmmmm.
Nope.

No ****, it will never happen. This IS NC Soft after all. The KING of bad customer service. Not sure where they are getting that mobs are easier. I haven't noticed any difference in difficulty at all. Still a piss poor reason to hurt the field xp. As far as the patch notes go I have read them, doesn't mean I have to like the changes they made or agree with any reasoning provided, when they bother to do so at all.

Far as botting goes, I have never botted, scripted, or in any other way exploited bugs in ANY game for an advantage. Far better to play how it was intended, then when you dominate, it is far more satisfying. But, I can understand why you might think that. Botting has always been so prevalent that it is generally safer to assume that someone is botting than not.
Not sure where they are getting that mobs are easier. I haven't noticed any difference in difficulty at all. Still a piss poor reason to hurt the field xp.
Its a game-mechanic.

As far as the patch notes go I have read them, doesn't mean I have to like the changes they made or agree with any reasoning provided, when they bother to do so at all.
There are threads about new update, just post your opinion over there.

Far as botting goes, I have never botted, scripted, or in any other way exploited bugs in ANY game for an advantage. Far better to play how it was intended, then when you dominate, it is far more satisfying. But, I can understand why you might think that. Botting has always been so prevalent that it is generally safer to assume that someone is botting than not.
Well, I think that you bot, because you complain about the action NCWest is finally taking against bots and you even started a thread about it, no ?

I think you are weird. Or dumb. Or both.
12 years ago, when I started, y'all embraced the bots as if they were long lost family. They ran rampant everywhere. It was quite clear the EULA and TOS meant nothing to you. The damage was done, the game relegated to obscurity and bargain bin status. The subs dwindled and then the game went free to play with a cash shop in effort to milk the last dregs y'all could. The game is on its death bed, life support beeping quietly in the background. The prognosis is grim.

Now, all of a sudden y'all are trying to combat the bots and scripts. After more than a DECADE of abuse, y'all begin to take action. Why now? What's more why take action that is also detrimental to legitimate players, those few left? Mostly I am referring to the xp nerfs in the field. Sure you boosted the xp from questing, but having OPTIONS is nice. OPTIONS are a big part of what makes an MMO enjoyable.

Signed,
A Disappointed Beta Player

I am trying to figure out what you know about the different types of "Bots"

2003/2004
12 years ago there was only 1 type (they still exist today)
12 years ago you only ran into them while doing your 1st class transfer in the
"School of Dark Arts" and Outside of Darkelf Village and Gludin, They would pk and Delevel by running into town guards.
They Have had 12 years to Perfect their Constantly Adapting Skills and They Have all the new Tech
(here is a youtube Clip of these guys)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0XQedeqPA

a new type was introduced in 2006/2007
these bots were player made for player xp and adena
These Bots were Hated more than the other Bots because they Took Over
The Entire L2 Map, shortly after their arrival the Chinese Bots also Took the Map,
PK Guilds were Born.
(here is a youtube Clip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDDPZ7R7w4
If you look close you see a pk'er Named NohNaimer at the end of the video . eR*He Luv'd his Role<3*eR

Starting in 2008 and around 2011/20012 Main Stream Use of a third type came with sophisticated Script bought from private Third parties.
These Bots Took The Title of the Most Despised Bots Ever!
(here is a youtube Clip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUy9q_7Eu1M


which one of these three types of "Bots" do you think make ALLOT of real Life Money
every year?

and if you had a Multi Million Dollar/Yen/Euro business going, would you find ways to keep it going?
minor detail but 12years ago Big Data Analytics didn't exist so feel free to replace that part by "wth have you guyz been doing the last ~4yrs" instead ;)

I gave NC too much credit in my other post, the way they are detecting bots now could have been done 20 years ago.
I gave NC too much credit, the way they are doing this, could have been done 20 years ago.

If you don't mind me asking

Did you use PvP Script when it first came out around 5 years ago?
or has it been around longer?

i am pretty sure everyone became aware PvP Script For Sale around 2011

i could be wrong but i think there might of been a few using it before 2011
maybe as far back as 2009
If you don't mind me asking

Did you use PvP Script when it first came out around 5 years ago?
or has it been around longer?

i am pretty sure everyone became aware PvP Script For Sale around 2011

i could be wrong but i think there might of been a few using it before 2011
maybe as far back as 2009

I condone the use of third party programs and to accuse me of using them is against the forum rules.

Kappa
I condone the use of third party programs and to accuse me of using them is against the forum rules.

Kappa

Ok, so Lets get this Straight,
You Condone Cheating,
but you take offense to being called a cheater?

So what we All learned here today Is a cheater is forced into the
Unfortunate Role Of Being the LIAR . (Full of Shirikodama)
They want to believe they are The Program (Like PVP GODS) and they don't want to be Caught
Because its Against the RULES!

If you Cheat than C'mon Be A Man and Own it.

There's No Such Thing,
of Magical,Mystical,Giant Japanese Salamanders,
Time To GrowUp, You're Full of Shirikodama, Be a Man,
Death Kappa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShtOtNRXuyk
"I'm Sick of These Motha F***'n Magical, Mystical, Giant, Japanese, Salamanders
On This Forum!!!"
Quoted From Samuel L. Jakson

Sorry It Just Tickles me to Death Saying,
Magical, Mystical, Giant, Japanese, Salamanders
I have no idea why :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uZQDwAIPSY
This Video was made Late 2009,
Look for evidence of PvP Script , you might find some,
Names - Cheaters - The Beginning?
(Literally weeks,days,hours)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJM9cbCbNVc
heh, whatever the case, I can't play this abortion of class diversity and progression.
Lineage 2 can be a bit "Harsh"
It Takes allot more dedication than any other mmorpg.
Its easier today than it ever has been in the past.
I'm not saying it's easy.
It has just gone from Insane to Crazy, and now to Frustrating

If you're easily Offended, it might not be for you,
Don't be fooled by the cute Dwarfs and Fairy decorated Interior,
Here you will gamble, fight , and become a bit of a Sadomasochistic.
"heh, whatever the case," You Would of enjoyed every minute of it!

Before you Abort I Highly Recommend Buying and Compounding hundreds of "Pretty Red" Rubies
While you're Gagged, Tied to a Chair, in the Dark, and with electrodes clamped to your nipples

Lineage 2 is the Most Difficult MMORPG ever Created.
In a World Where Many Have Sacrificed Themselves

Where Peace......
....And Freedom.........
Doesn't Exist......

In a World where the Evil Reign
the ppl feel secure with big number, all randoms want zerg dont make excuses.
lick b@lls everywhere
I condone the use of third party programs and to accuse me of using them is against the forum rules.
just like the other day whena clannie was pking bot at seal of shilen CareBear of Clan nova came to protect them
But this Wonderful Clan has Abused it the Most! it goes beyond cheating ...its EVIL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbUHkCl2LSg
THANK YOU
eR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVLIXyJltw4

The Legit's Haven't Died ,
The Game has once again Changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjkDZ9DR14

I Would Like Everyone to Meet TheCoolness,
Mr. SmallWood, He Gave us Script, and he was a threat to FREEDOM

It did not come from religious extremists, and it did not involve violence. Instead, it emerged from a placid courtroom in Hawaii, where federal Judge Alan C. Kay recently issued a 49-page decision allowing one Craig Smallwood to pursue his case for damages against NCSoft Corporation, the maker and marketer of a computer game to which Mr. Smallwood has allegedly become addicted.

Lineage is an interactive fantasy game set in a virtual medieval world of elves, dark elves, knights, princes, and magicians. Players can play with or against other online players as they lay siege to castles, impose and collect taxes, kill monsters, and (in avatar form) kill other players. At its height, the game had over 3 million subscribers, most of them in Korea.

According to his complaint, Mr. Smallwood began playing Lineage II (a prequel to the original game) in 2004 or 2005. Over the next five years, Mr. Smallwood played for over 20,000 hours, or roughly ten hours per day, seven days per week. Mr. Smallwood experienced "great feelings of euphoria and satisfaction from persistent play." Soon, he was "psychologically dependent and addicted." NCSoft banned him from internet gameplay for allegedly scheming to create real money transfers with other players, a charge Mr. Smallwood denies. The expulsion has upset Mr. Smallwood. For one thing, he is out the $65 he prepaid for playing time. More importantly, Mr. Smallwood's expulsion has caused "extreme and serious emotional distress and depression." He has suffered "psychological trauma, he was hospitalized, and he requires treatment and therapy three times a week."

In short, Mr. Smallwood is now a mess, and not at all the well-adjusted fellow he was back in those halcyon times when he was playing Lineage ten hours per day.

Mr. Smallwood may have relished his years as an inhabitant of the Lineage kingdom, but when he was expelled, he remembered his real roots and did what red-blooded Americans are bred to do when confronting disappointment. He sued. His complaint sets forth eight claims, four of which Judge Kay dismissed on various procedural grounds. But he allowed Mr. Smallwood to pursue his claims for negligence, gross negligence, and negligent infliction of emotional distress. All three claims rest on the premise that NCSoft was negligent in designing and distributing the game and in failing to warn Mr. Smallwood of its "dangerous and defective characteristics." (Judge Kay also allowed Mr. Smallwood to proceed with his defamation claim based on the allegedly false accusation of real money transfers.)

The most disturbing aspect of the opinion was its treatment of the First Amendment. There wasn't any. Defendants, in their motion to dismiss, did not raise it. Judge Kay, in his opinion, did not discuss it.

The court and counsel proceeded in their own virtual world, where castles, dragons, and elves are real, but the First Amendment is not. Locked in this fantasy, they ignored several decades of state and federal precedents holding that television programs, movies, magazine articles, and other forms of entertainment are subject to constitutional protection. Unless, under the Supreme Court's test in Brandenburg v. Ohio, they are "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and are likely to incite or produce such action," these works are shielded by the First Amendment and furnish no basis for tort liability.

The facts underlying these precedents are far more heart-wrenching, and the victims far more sympathetic, than those in the Smallwood case.
get a life please.
get a life please.

Have you Ever used Script?
get a life please.

DO YOU BOT?...
oh well would of been a boring Conversation anyways..

1 Last Video i Promise
FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freedom2PlayROX!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1l23wfz5E
They`re mad :D
minor detail but 12years ago Big Data Analytics didn't exist so feel free to replace that part by "wth have you guyz been doing the last ~4yrs" instead ;)

You don't need 'Big Data Analytics' to ban bots. You need a GM with eyeballs and permission to ban them.

Any action now is too little and too late to save this game anyway.
You don't need 'Big Data Analytics' to ban bots. You need a GM with eyeballs and permission to ban them.

Any action now is too little and too late to save this game anyway.

This is for my Russian Friends,
Who Don't Cheat!

This Game should be called ....Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin ][

It Cannot Die!
It has been Stabbed, Shot hundreds of times, Barely Breathing for Years,
Tied up, Thrown in the River, Half Eaten by Fish, where it Lied on the river floor
for Weeks...... and yet it Still LIVES!!!!!
get a life please.
My Life Isn't so Bad.
And I really Don't care what you do with your Life, but try not to be Wrong so much please, people might start listening to you.
On April 27, 2007, Seoul Metropolitan Police said that seven former employees of NCSOFT are suspected of selling the Lineage III source code to a major Japanese game company. According to NCSOFT, the potential damages may exceed US$1 billion.

Bots in Lineage III?