My current gear:
Eternal light set +5/+5/+5/+4/+4, eternal belt +4, istina shirt +4, apocalypse knife +4 /300 /2 sa, anakim tali, abundance hunter tali, octavis earring/ring/necklace, soul baium ring, special stun earring...
I think its pretty good... But i still cant PvP at all,,,
Just how should i pvp if those donator archers hit me 97000 from 1 skill...
I cant fight like that, i am instantly morally broken. How to fight if you know that 1 hit and your poor character fall on the ground...
Its not like 1 vs 1 it any possible PvP ... Even 5 vs 1 i cant do a ****...
Lets back to previous l2 i mean high 5 for example... My current gear will be equal to +6 vorpal light set pvp/120, skull dagger cd/dual dagger 300, 2x elegia earring, bless freya necklace, aq ring, oly war ring... s grade shirt/ pvp belt and 20+ skills...
But with this gear at h5 i can pvp even 1 vs 1 even vs top geared players!
And what here?! nothing... 1 hit and you kissing earth ...
Look atm this situation is aw full for both side ... for geared donators and for rest of players as well...
Because donators just running around whole day and qq accept war accept war, no balls, noobs, pve ers and etc...
And rest ppl simple cant open war to not be farmed like mobs...
Maybe need to change this system... Really i want to pvp... But this 1 hit morally broke me... I know that those donators help server, ok **** my ambition to be number one, let them be... but not that overpower! Let me fight them if not 1 vs 1 at least 2/3 vs 1 lol...
Its terrible... atm i can do only pve... and if even i cant suffer pvp while being extra skilled player... than something is really wrong with it...
ur actual gear is far away from the top gear u described on highfive
+6vorpal 1800 and semitop dagger300 were the top gear back there.
eternal crap+5 is so so so so far away from top gear, and u cant even compare this thing to vorpal back there.
a clean SEALED vorpal light set in 2010 cost 1b, 1 valakas neck=5b
those number were actually possible to farm by hand but not in less than 7 months of heavily grind. the eternal set like u described ll be farmed in like what? 1 month?
dear lord each element crystal like 9m to 11m each back there and only 50% add rate.
if u cant spend on pvp top items like i cant either, go for hp build, its all u can do, btw we all know that if wasnt for the rmt and the pw2 events ppl would never have +12pvp/pve weapon or+10pvp/pve sets
My current gear:
Eternal light set +5/+5/+5/+4/+4, eternal belt +4, istina shirt +4, apocalypse knife +4 /300 /2 sa, anakim tali, abundance hunter tali, octavis earring/ring/necklace, soul baium ring, special stun earring...
I think its pretty good... But i still cant PvP at all,,,
Just how should i pvp if those donator archers hit me 97000 from 1 skill...
I cant fight like that, i am instantly morally broken. How to fight if you know that 1 hit and your poor character fall on the ground...
Its not like 1 vs 1 it any possible PvP ... Even 5 vs 1 i cant do a ****...
Lets back to previous l2 i mean high 5 for example... My current gear will be equal to +6 vorpal light set pvp/120, skull dagger cd/dual dagger 300, 2x elegia earring, bless freya necklace, aq ring, oly war ring... s grade shirt/ pvp belt and 20+ skills...
But with this gear at h5 i can pvp even 1 vs 1 even vs top geared players!
And what here?! nothing... 1 hit and you kissing earth ...
Look atm this situation is aw full for both side ... for geared donators and for rest of players as well...
Because donators just running around whole day and qq accept war accept war, no balls, noobs, pve ers and etc...
And rest ppl simple cant open war to not be farmed like mobs...
Maybe need to change this system... Really i want to pvp... But this 1 hit morally broke me... I know that those donators help server, ok **** my ambition to be number one, let them be... but not that overpower! Let me fight them if not 1 vs 1 at least 2/3 vs 1 lol...
Its terrible... atm i can do only pve... and if even i cant suffer pvp while being extra skilled player... than something is really wrong with it...
The PvP is dead, NC broke it via the L2Store ( read my Free to pay or Pay 2 Win topic from 4 years ago).
Also some weird game design decisions also broke the pvp even more, to the point where it's really pointless.
Since more than 9 months now, I don't even care to pvp, maybe some at oly/siege, but that's all, if any.It's just
The PvP is dead, NC broke it via the L2Store ( read my Free to pay or Pay 2 Win topic from 4 years ago).
Also some weird game design decisions also broke the pvp even more, to the point where it's really pointless.
Since more than 9 months now, I don't even care to pvp, maybe some at oly/siege, but that's all, if any.It's just
Dear mister Free2PlaySUX ...
First of all i didnot said that eternal +5 = vorpal +6... I said that my overall gear (price&power) much to following gear (price&power) in l2high 5
P.S. Valakas necklace = 5b? Did i said valakas necklace?! omg :P
Second i can never believe that i will need 7 month to take vorpal light set...
Only if i start play server from start... But if i join after 3+ years, than there will be so many vorpals ...
Only by spoil in varka/ketra/hot spring/necropolis 2-3 hours per day i can easily make 1kkk+ adena in maximum 1 month :P...
Ofc if you are DUMB like wood you need 7 month lol...
P.S only by creating 4-5 nobl chars i can get vorpal parts in 7 month just by participating in oly lol...
And all these Delusion/zakens/2 rb/3 rb/7 rb/kamaloka just ****...
You are just a one more Liar...
And about Frintezza/Freya and whats more cool hard freya :P... Just come on...
Honestly i didnot played high 5 x1... but i played high5 x7 x10 x15 x20 (xp rates) Was need max 1 month to grow gear i list (And it was from start)...
Well in x1 its way harder ok i will need 4-5 month for it, but after i will have char ready for pvp...
And what here?! 6 month and nothing... And its while soul baium and anakim is clan gift (not me) And whats worse, i have feeling(100% sure) that even if i buy Kelbim dagger, antharas earring, make set +6, complete exalted and skills +8-+10 NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN PVP!
I leaved high5 private servers bcs there was only pvp and wipe every 5 month lol... came here for pve/pvp...
Well i found pve, really! But pvp here is sick ... I cant call it pvp at all...
Dear mister Free2PlaySUX ...
First of all i didnot said that eternal +5 = vorpal +6... I said that my overall gear (price&power) much to following gear (price&power) in l2high 5
P.S. Valakas necklace = 5b? Did i said valakas necklace?! omg :P
Second i can never believe that i will need 7 month to take vorpal light set...
Only if i start play server from start... But if i join after 3+ years, than there will be so many vorpals ...
Only by spoil in varka/ketra/hot spring/necropolis 2-3 hours per day i can easily make 1kkk+ adena in maximum 1 month :P...
Ofc if you are DUMB like wood you need 7 month lol...
P.S only by creating 4-5 nobl chars i can get vorpal parts in 7 month just by participating in oly lol...
And all these Delusion/zakens/2 rb/3 rb/7 rb/kamaloka just ****...
You are just a one more Liar...
And about Frintezza/Freya and whats more cool hard freya :P... Just come on...
Honestly i didnot played high 5 x1... but i played high5 x7 x10 x15 x20 (xp rates) Was need max 1 month to grow gear i list (And it was from start)...
Well in x1 its way harder ok i will need 4-5 month for it, but after i will have char ready for pvp...
And what here?! 6 month and nothing... And its while soul baium and anakim is clan gift (not me) And whats worse, i have feeling(100% sure) that even if i buy Kelbim dagger, antharas earring, make set +6, complete exalted and skills +8-+10 NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN PVP!
I leaved high5 private servers bcs there was only pvp and wipe every 5 month lol... came here for pve/pvp...
Well i found pve, really! But pvp here is sick ... I cant call it pvp at all...
You have the textbook definition of scrub gear complaining that a stacked archer is hitting you for 5x your HP?
Even if you do a bit research about Dual daggers / Xbows / Bows there is a crit modifier change after Lindvior :D
fixed
PvE is dead for archer cause of that nerf, now survivalbility is dead with UE nerf, hide nerf.
PvP is worse cause of 101 skill nerf and robe bow resist.
PvE is dead for archer cause of that nerf, now survivalbility is dead with UE nerf, hide nerf.
PvP is worse cause of 101 skill nerf and robe bow resist.
Juji confirmed your thing a couple months ago.
Do a bit research on Rochand and search for Yidaos posts at Helios section. They magically reverted the modifier for those mentioned weapons in Helios as well.
You claim to know about the game but it's clear you know nothing about how far your gear is from a stacked one
Possible solutions are grow stronger (and do some research about what top means now) or fight someone in your league. Don't pretend like you can compete and then QQ in forum
Mr Keoz, problem is that i cant fight someone from my league (as you call it)
Look my clan can open wars like was 4 month ago... But i cant fight my league... We will open war vs (all) but in general only those overgeared players who are outside my limits will accept war... Than ... when i will port parnassus/octavis/istina/open field quest there will be who?! Someone from my league? Mmm i guess not... It will be mr fat donator and he will mercilessly make my character kiss floor under his legs lol...
And you think he will soe after and let me enter instance/farm mobs?! No way! He will stay there to torture me/us (I mean me and other unlucky guys with active war)...
Yea you can die near npc and enter ... ok... But Balok?! What to do when you
b soe and see wartag? Tell him like: please man, dont touch me, let me enter Balok... Well you know i am not woman to ask for mercy... And actually IT WONT EVEN WORK VS ALMOST MOST OF THEM LOL... The only (mercy) they will offer will be: leave clan and farm free lol...
And its not my Fantasy! We had war vs (all)! But only few clans accepted it... We had -5000 clan reputation each month for a long time!... And than wars were stopped... And i not see reason to reopen wars... Bcs i will feel myself as stupid cute cake who feed donators pvp amount and their clan rep... :P
You think its normal situation?! I think not!
What can be done? Well either:
Or change pvp system to allow me fight those (pro) guys...
Or for example allow ONE SIDE WAR! (Its mean you can declare war to any clan and **** it)
Than yes i can find (my league) and take rank place which i deserve...
Ofc its real problem which morally broke me, but actually its not only kissing floor from 1 hit...
There are many problems...
2)You take ALMOST ALL debaffs/stuns from mr donator but you cant debaffs/stun them AT ALL!
3)I cant dps them! My attacks not do damage to them at all...
Most healers (even with eternal sets) take up to 34k damage from bloodstab...
But there was guy who didnot received more than 4k (healer)
I tried his back from every direction lol never did more than 4000...
DIFFERENCE 800%?! From where 800%?!
pvp set = 15% resist jewel lvl 5 =12% pvp resist , seven sings+diamond lvl 5+ abunndance lvl 4 = what 3000 p def?! +some other staffs...
But why 800% ?!
Do i miss something?!
Maybe its cuz he is lvl 103/104 me lvl 100 and there is dps penalty?
Or its cuz such basic weap like apoc cant handle pvp set and there is penalty?!
Give some info pls ... :)
Look, my gear is quite around yours and I've been in clan with war, both with those unbeatable overpayers and with people I can have a fight with and have some fun
If you can't handle those wars, don't open them and stop acting like the whole server have to pretend that you are somewhat good or even worth
"Oh, I can't beat a system I don't even understand well so please change the system so I can have some fun beating those nabs with hundreds of billions over their chars with my 10b gear. Believe me, I'm good!"
The game has gone a long long way of stacking OP items that broke the system, you seem to have no clue about what's going on
Ofc its real problem which morally broke me, but actually its not only kissing floor from 1 hit...
There are many problems...
2)You take ALMOST ALL debaffs/stuns from mr donator but you cant debaffs/stun them AT ALL!
3)I cant dps them! My attacks not do damage to them at all...
Most healers (even with eternal sets) take up to 34k damage from bloodstab...
But there was guy who didnot received more than 4k (healer)
I tried his back from every direction lol never did more than 4000...
DIFFERENCE 800%?! From where 800%?!
pvp set = 15% resist jewel lvl 5 =12% pvp resist , seven sings+diamond lvl 5+ abunndance lvl 4 = what 3000 p def?! +some other staffs...
But why 800% ?!
Do i miss something?!
Maybe its cuz he is lvl 103/104 me lvl 100 and there is dps penalty?
Or its cuz such basic weap like apoc cant handle pvp set and there is penalty?!
Give some info pls ... :)
This looks like crying to me, ask any tyrr with your level of gear what kind of damage they do in pvp then come cry to me. You're talking about people with 80% full stacked toons, I don't know of anyone on any server with 100% full stack, ie, +10 or higher pvp set, +16 or higher pvp weapon with 3 SA's and top augment pvp damage +10%, 7 signs talisman, insanity, level 5 combined jewels, the list goes on and on.
But what I'm saying is yes, pvping is fun, getting one shotted is not, but maybe you are challenging people outside of your league. If you are in a "top" clan and your are the only one this is happening to maybe you are in the wrong place. There are levels of pvping in this game, low pvping, level 6-8 clans with 25 or less people in each pvping for fun with each other. Medium pvpers which are the 9-11 level clans with most people 99+ with average to above average gear fighting with mostly equal opponents, mostly for fun. Then there is the Top pvp clans, top gear, most people 102+ above average gear to top gear pvping with each other because thats what the game was designed for.
If that top pvp clan wars one of the lower level "pvp" clans, its game over and -5000 rep points it is.
Its a bully game ,some have to be bullied for it to work,get used to it,or do something except of crying on the forum.
best answer in the entire thread.
and roflmao, op were a private crap player.
to op:
_ dude if u didnt played retail, u didnt played l2 at all, just a crap ******** edited game.
_ before u think u have a clue about official l2 based on private crap experience, let me tell u this, all u think u know is wrong. cya.
Its not my Fantasy lol...
Its what i see on my server! There is NO pvp! Not much online and almost no one has clan wars! And opening ANY! clan war in such situation is mistake!
You cant pvp! Even if 1 weak clan accept war from another weak clan and try to pvp in parnasus, than lvl 102 donator will come and make them all relax :P.
So i am playing in TOTALLY PVE server... 90% PVE...
And in my opinion its bad for EVERYONE (not just for me)
Top geared players running around like they have needle in *** and qq accept war, accept war... While rest ppl simple cant open war and pve only...
Yes guys you are right... I have no clue about l2 god top gear... I came here from l2high5 private server where i was top player... I can say that on l2high5 even if i will wear a grade set, i still wont die from 1 hit :P...
Just a question? What will happen when i will get top gear?! I will run around like i have needle in *** and qq accept war? :P
You guys saying cool things! pvp with your league... But in real that behavior killed pvp at all... Donno what happening on other servers, but at zaken no pvp at all and no possibility to start pvp at all!
Pve server! You know i not care much! I can continue pve here and start x20 high5 to pvp there! No problem!
I dont want to qq like make me op, me pro, me want to **** all xD
I want normal acceptable pvp system which i not see, and i want get info about top/middle gear...
Well tell me what gear is middle/top for pvp. Detailed!
My current gear:
Eternal light set +5/+5/+5/+4/+4, eternal belt +4, istina shirt +4, apocalypse knife +4 /300 /2 sa, anakim tali, abundance hunter tali, octavis earring/ring/necklace, soul baium ring, special stun earring...
I think its pretty good...
it isn't. not even close.
pvp happens, just not around you.
parnasus is not the only spot. you have GC, Rift, and EV/HB to some extend.
and you don't need to donate to get stuff, just need to work for it.
Do a bit research on Rochand and search for Yidaos posts at Helios section. They magically reverted the modifier for those mentioned weapons in Helios as well.
Exactaly, he confirmed that months ago when I made my last qq post about it. It started at Lindvior and it took 3 years for him to go after it since my 1st post here about it.
And no, the critical damege modifier at least for bow/xbow still 1.5 instead of 2. I test this e-v-e-r-y single update after I noticed the nerf.
And is about time for another thread about it. Whaever reason they changed that modifier back then, probly do not apply anymore with all those overpowered pve titans and eviscerators.
Its so huge gap of dmg output that even reverting it back to 2x it wont even get near titans/evis, but would help a lot on hard instances/mobs.
i cant belive this guy still qqing here about archers when they are so OP in open pvp .. he should make a feoh so he can see what is a nerf and useless toon, he could QQ all day with a reason haha
I think we have different logic...
Core of my logic:
You (i mean your character) are healthy, young, strong, baffed extra skilled elite mercenary ...
You are possessor of giants power, lvl 99+ with basic gear (here is question what gear might be basic)
I guess basic gear is r99 set 120 + istina shirt + eternal belt + 3 octavis/istina jewels + special ring/earring + blessed apo weapon 300 2 sa/amaranthine weapon 300 1 sa (class specific) + basic accessories and skills +8 ...
So in my opinion YOU (healthy, young ,skilled, baffed, giant power possessor... + basic gear = 100% power ...)
Any additional gear must grant you op like 0% - 300%/400% to maintain healthy pvp system like was in previous l2...
Why i saying it... cuz its so in real life/most other games maybe?!
Can you imagine for example FC Barcelona vs 33 professional players lol...
Who will win match?!
So why here 7 donators greatly op 21 players?!
What do i see here is 100% You +1300% op of additional staff...
Not right at all because pvp structure is simple broken! ... :P
I think we have different logic...
Core of my logic:
You (i mean your character) are healthy, young, strong, baffed extra skilled elite mercenary ...
You are possessor of giants power, lvl 99+ with basic gear (here is question what gear might be basic)
I guess basic gear is r99 set 120 + istina shirt + eternal belt + 3 octavis/istina jewels + special ring/earring + blessed apo weapon 300 2 sa/amaranthine weapon 300 1 sa (class specific) + basic accessories and skills +8 ...
So in my opinion YOU (healthy, young ,skilled, baffed, giant power possessor... + basic gear = 100% power ...)
Any additional gear must grant you op like 0% - 300%/400% to maintain healthy pvp system like was in previous l2...
Why i saying it... cuz its so in real life/most other games maybe?!
Can you imagine for example FC Barcelona vs 33 professional players lol...
Who will win match?!
So why here 7 donators greatly op 21 players?!
What do i see here is 100% You +1300% op of additional staff...
Not right at all because pvp structure is simple broken! ... :P
as i said before, if u didnt played retail, u didnt played l2 at all.
on gracia epilogue, i saw on first hand, ebil party from nova wiped out 120+ players at runne castle, ppl wont able to kill a single ebils cp member or make 2 move while they set their foot on the bridge.
than we move with drakedf and others lv82 to water, reach the throne and razzledazzle killd 2 parties with lv82, just him alone. we had 0 chance to kill him.
basic gear ll be any set+6, the cheap boss jewell set and any weapon with 2sa, and anyone can have that, so its anyone gear, and this is far from an average joe gear.
Lvl 105
Dark Amaranthine +16 3SA 300 Ele and proper augment
Dark Eternal set+10+++ full Ele
Elemental Shirt +7++ or whatever they are called
Ruler's Authority
Acc with 2SA
Lindvior
B.Anty
B.Valakas
Tauti Ring
Earth Wyrm
Dyes +5 Stat +5CHA x3
Insanity
Longing
Abundance lvl 4
7Signs
Venir lvl 16
Brooch 5 slot with lvl 5 jewels
Skills +20+++
Agathion with some effect
I may be forgetting something, but all together must be around 700b and your gear is around 10b so no, full gear is not 300/400% what you have now. There is also a lot of stuff in the middle that can also easily beat your gear and it's considered mid-tier