Payment System Maintenance: Sunday, October 16, 2016

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Starting on October 16, 6:00am PDT / 8:00am CDT / 9:00am EDT / 1300 GMT (https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=5368361,4671654,5128581,0&h=4671654&date=2016-10-16&sln=8-16.5), the payment system will undergo scheduled maintenance for approximately 8 hours 30 minutes. During this time, you may continue to purchase and spend NCoin, but Prestige Pack subscriptions will be unavailable. If you are considering purchasing the Prestige Pack, please be sure to do so prior to the maintenance.

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Payment maintenance AGAIN on a Siege Day...? Should announce it in game, people that didn't read this announcement weren't happy last time, that's a lot of $$$$ you guys are missing on!
Yes, because you go to the sieges through the L2Store....
L2 is gathering more and more smart players lately.
Payment maintenance AGAIN on a Siege Day...? Should announce it in game, people that didn't read this announcement weren't happy last time, that's a lot of $$$$ you guys are missing on!

Don't worry dude!
In 2 years L2 will be different. All Drops will be deleted and everything which you need in game will be in L2Store!
:D
I think you off dragon weapon in olympiad today or next event you dont take any 1$ ,we dont want pay for nothing.
Don't worry dude!
In 2 years L2 will be different. All Drops will be deleted and everything which you need in game will be in L2Store!
:D


L2 isn't going to be here in two years.
L2 isn't going to be here in two years.
Don't forget, next year I'll get your ring and I'll use it for the coming 5 years or however long I'll be playing this amazing game.

To all newbies reading this: There are "Luczins" around since 2006 saying "Doomsday is near." Yep since 10 years, so nothing new ;)
Actually Lineage 2 has suffered an objective net loss of players since November 2004, i.e. the game is dying since 12 years:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=833847

This reminds me of all those veterans who lived to be 100 (war is good for your health), but at 101 or 102 decay invariably sets in and even people as intellectually active as Ernst Jünger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_J%C3%BCnger) barely make it to 103. Nothing lasts forever :D
Don't forget, next year I'll get your ring and I'll use it for the coming 5 years or however long I'll be playing this amazing game.

To all newbies reading this: There are "Luczins" around since 2006 saying "Doomsday is near." Yep since 10 years, so nothing new ;)

Wrong, I played from 2004-until 1 month after GoD release, so I haven't been saying this for the past 10 years, just the past 6 months after I returned to see what has happened to this game, which used to be amazing, and what is happening with ncsoft and what they are doing with the profits made from L2.
Wrong, I played from 2004-until 1 month after GoD release, so I haven't been saying this for the past 10 years.
I know it wasn't you and I didn't say it was you.

You're not the first Doomsday Preacher on these boards, and you will not be the last. Most of the others have long since stopped to play, and yet the game is still around and doing well.
Ask Yidao what territory has the best margin in L2. I think it's NCW.
I know it wasn't you and I didn't say it was you.

You're not the first Doomsday Preacher on these boards, and you will not be the last. Most of the others have long since stopped to play, and yet the game is still around and doing well.
Ask Yidao what territory has the best margin in L2. I think it's NCW.

Yes they make the most money, that's not what I said. The game is not doing well, its about to have more server merges. When a game keeps merging its servers, that indicates the game is actually not doing well.
Ask Yidao what territory has the best margin in L2. I think it's NCW.

This is precisely the problem - the margin.

You can download the quarterly earnings reports from here:
http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/quarterly.aspx
Even though NCKorea has slightly overtaken NCWest (of course after subtracting Lineage 1) in the 2nd fiscal quarter 2016 (NCWest's revenue dropped by 30% quarter-over-quarter), we are still the second-strongest territory as far as generated revenue is concerned.

But this is gross revenue. The margin aka profit is generated by cutting corners. NCsoft doesn't even invest into a forum anymore where people can post /facepalm pictures. This should tell everybody how much of a future the company sees for L2@NCWest. And Juji not having a Production Assistant/Associate Producer is downright irresponsible. What happens if Juji gets run over by some drunk driver while going out for lunch? Then there is nobody left who knows where the paper clips are kept.

Just face it, the game is over. Enjoy it while it lasts. It won't last :p
This is precisely the problem - the margin.

You can download the quarterly earnings reports from here:
http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/quarterly.aspx
Even though NCKorea has slightly overtaken NCWest (of course after subtracting Lineage 1) in the 2nd fiscal quarter 2016 (NCWest's revenue dropped by 30% quarter-over-quarter), we are still the second-strongest territory as far as generated revenue is concerned.

But this is gross revenue. The margin aka profit is generated by cutting corners. NCsoft doesn't even invest into a forum anymore where people can post /facepalm pictures. This should tell everybody how much of a future the company sees for L2@NCWest. And Juji not having a Production Assistant/Associate Producer is downright irresponsible. What happens if Juji gets run over by some drunk driver while going out for lunch? Then there is nobody left who knows where the paper clips are kept.

Just face it, the game is over. Enjoy it while it lasts. It won't last :p
Lineage 1 was released in 1998. Still going strong.

I bet L2 will be around longer than I will want to play it. And I don't have plans to stop it yet ;)

Oh, and to add:
I dont need fancy pics in this forum.
Better look at what they did to battle bots and scripts in the last months:
It's still far from being perfect, but I'd say we'll agree that the servers are in best state since... HGM Spam? Or longer?
Why would they invest money and manpower into something like that if they would abandon the game in the near future?
Exactly, they wouldn't ;D
NCSOFT investments atm are 0. There are no new players for the last 3 years at least. Everyone that are playing L2 atm are veterans that just stuck to this game. The Pay2Win system is just forcing the players to leave this game. In 10 days from now i will have a top +16 wep that will **** everyone , just because i spend 600,00$ . The same weapon will have it others 5-6 players on the server i play, the rest of the players will just be NPC so we can have fun. If thay flag or open war ofc. So gz, if NCSOFT ever understand that after those 600$ i will not spend a $ any more and ofc will start to ebay drops from boss.
Why would they invest money and manpower into something like that if they would abandon the game in the near future


You answered your own question. Yiado already explained they aren't investing in manpower, or money into this game. The anti-bot thing was developed to be used by all ncsoft titles, not just L2.
The anti-bot thing was developed to be used by all ncsoft titles, not just L2.

Exactly. To quote myself:

What we must not forget here is that the anti-bot system is not NCWest-specific and not game-specific. It has been developed for and works with all Unreal Engine-based games; in fact it has first been tested with Lineage 1, Aion and Blade&Soul. Due to the decline of Lineage 2 in Korea we came last - an afterthought :p
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&start=1760#p33754


I won't link the original article here because I don't want botters and especially RMTers to figure out how the system works, but Draecke has posted that link several times. With a bit of searching you will find it :)
Just face it, the game is over. Enjoy it while it lasts. It won't last :p

It does seem that way. If a company can't upgrade vBulletin forums which costs literally a few hundred dollars, you know something is structurally weak within the organization. Reinvestment? Nope. When the producer muddily mentions going on hiatus for a long period of time, then realization quickly sets in that stability throughout is quickly diminishing. What goes up...
It does seem that way. If a company can't upgrade vBulletin forums which costs literally a few hundred dollars, you know something is structurally weak within the organization. Reinvestment? Nope. When the producer muddily mentions going on hiatus for a long period of time, then realization quickly sets in that stability throughout is quickly diminishing. What goes up...


Seriously, nobody gets 2 months vacation total in a year, let alone in one stretch, here in the U.S.
I checked Laby's online status page for servers this morning and Zaken was down to abit less than 300... Other servers have lost in 3-4 months something like 400-500 players each as well...

You can do the maths... 3 months ago there was around 8k players - now around 6k...

thats a huge drop in just few months.

whats even more notable is that Zaken is nearly a dead server.

Juji taking few months off.. suspicious indeed. Maybe Yidao has some inside information about this :P


here is a guy who spent 2million USD on a mobile game... a guy who NCwest could use as well:
http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/14/the-deanbeat-this-player-spent-2-million-in-a-mobile-game-then-he-led-a-boycott/

the article is interesting in that as well that its one of the first pieces of journalism I have seen to have proper research about "f2p Whales" "Social Whales" and "The Value of Cool"... these are presented in proper demographs.

Especially the "social whales" is what triggers my interest. It has been obvious for long that People who invest "social-capita" also are the "heart of groups motivation to play" - and results in that the "actual whales who spend tens of thousands of USD" keep playing the game and spending money..

in the article the result of "social whale" leaving a game results in 50% loss of income from that group of players^_^
... Juji taking few months off.. suspicious indeed. Maybe Yidao has some inside information about this ...

I don't have inside information, just what's publicly available, plus the historical example of Cryo :)



Let's do this step by step:


1. Juji does not lie. This means we can play the old Kremlin game, taking his words at face value.


2. This is what Juji said:
Vacation mainly, but we'll see if I can get Conguero to post the rest of the Preview threads for November and December.
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=290498#16


3. If Juji can't post Preview threads for November and December, he might well take off for France or wherever in the last week of October and return to California in the first week of December. This would make only for an absence of 6 weeks, not two months.


4. He goes on vacation mainly. My guess would be that the lessly part of his absence will be training for his new position. Like when Sace claimed that Cryo was "out of town", which was in reality training (part of it in Seoul) for his new position as Blade & Soul Producer:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1497&start=10#p31463


Let's say 6 weeks of absence, 2 weeks training, 3 weeks vacation (saved up over one year), 1 week for traveling and recovering from jet lag. Adds up and is absolutely legal, even in the USA :p
I checked Laby's online status page for servers this morning and Zaken was down to abit less than 300... Other servers have lost in 3-4 months something like 400-500 players each as well...

You can do the maths... 3 months ago there was around 8k players - now around 6k...

thats a huge drop in just few months.

whats even more notable is that Zaken is nearly a dead server.
You will see this happen every year. In EU Summer it's around July-August and in the beginning of September School/Universities start again. So it's normal that those Players who played for nearly 6-8 weeks in Summer are back semi-inactive Daily Mode again after it.

Cheers,
Bennie
You can still buy all the shirt event items lol.
Hello i still have problem buy prestige pack......
I don't have inside information, just what's publicly available, plus the historical example of Cryo :)



Let's do this step by step:


1. Juji does not lie. This means we can play the old Kremlin game, taking his words at face value.


2. This is what Juji said:

http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=290498#16


3. If Juji can't post Preview threads for November and December, he might well take off for France or wherever in the last week of October and return to California in the first week of December. This would make only for an absence of 6 weeks, not two months.


4. He goes on vacation mainly. My guess would be that the lessly part of his absence will be training for his new position. Like when Sace claimed that Cryo was "out of town", which was in reality training (part of it in Seoul) for his new position as Blade & Soul Producer:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1497&start=10#p31463


Let's say 6 weeks of absence, 2 weeks training, 3 weeks vacation (saved up over one year), 1 week for traveling and recovering from jet lag. Adds up and is absolutely legal, even in the USA :p
Yep, this is probably exactly what is happening.
how did this post turn into crybaby whine *****fest?

Wildstar is in worst shape than L2 and hasn't brought in any profits but they are keeping that around...


L2 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Well maybe just Zaken...
THE END
how did this post turn into crybaby whine *****fest?

Wildstar is in worst shape than L2 and hasn't brought in any profits but they are keeping that around...


L2 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Well maybe just Zaken...
THE END
Wildstar is relatively new franchise, L2 is not and is due to phase out and closure as normal.
Wildstar is relatively new franchise, L2 is not and is due to phase out and closure as normal.

Not with the current amounts of revenue streams that's coming from NCWest it won't.
Not with the current amounts of revenue streams that's coming from NCWest it won't.

All it would take to end the rumor is one or two sentences from juji. I'd say the community manager, but he's pretty much useless from what I can tell.
All it would take to end the rumor is one or two sentences from juji. I'd say the community manager, but he's pretty much useless from what I can tell.
If Juji would comment on any dumb thing being said in this forum, you could visit him in bedlam meanwhile
Even IF he would comment and say "there are no plans to shut down our servers right now" what would happen?
All you trolls would believe him, shake hands and be happy ever after? Yes, I'm sure.
Btw, not long ago Juji was already talking about the Grand Crusade update, about new Taverne instance and also he was adding that after this more expansions of Taverne will be incoming.

When I think about your "L2 will close down" obsession I actually get the impressiong that YOU are most worried here on this forum about it.

So I'll say it again, specially and only for YOU:
You can relax. Nothing will be shut down anytime soon.
You can enjoy your expensive OP toon for some more years.

Fell better now ? :)
If Juji would comment on any dumb thing being said in this forum, you could visit him in bedlam meanwhile
Even IF he would comment and say "there are no plans to shut down our servers right now" what would happen?
All you trolls would believe him, shake hands and be happy ever after? Yes, I'm sure.
Btw, not long ago Juji was already talking about the Grand Crusade update, about new Taverne instance and also he was adding that after this more expansions of Taverne will be incoming.

When I think about your "L2 will close down" obsession I actually get the impressiong that YOU are most worried here on this forum about it.

So I'll say it again, specially and only for YOU:
You can relax. Nothing will be shut down anytime soon.
You can enjoy your expensive OP toon for some more years.

Fell better now ? :)

No, I actually want the game to shut down. It's been destroyed from what it was. Too many carebears only wanting instance xp, or people quitting because they can't cheat anymore. I just play to hang out with my CP, and watch all the drama in all shout and HV.
No, I actually want the game to shut down. It's been destroyed from what it was. Too many carebears only wanting instance xp, or people quitting because they can't cheat anymore. I just play to hang out with my CP, and watch all the drama in all shout and HV.
In that case you're wasting your energy for something that obviously don't make you happy. Man up and move on.
Not with the current amounts of revenue streams that's coming from NCWest it won't.
The "amounts" it makes probably are barely enough to pay the staffs wage and the bills.As evident from the lack of any support and GMs.