Yesterday ncwest Block IP PPL from Ukraine. Players were not informed about the fact that such a thing is planned.
PPL from EU spend your money here while you still have time, because soon our countries can join the ukraine.:D Because soon you will get the information that you can start playing on a Core.:cool:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting the NCSOFT Support team.
Unfortunately, Lineage ll is no longer available in the country they are attempting to log in from. I apologize for any frustration this may cause.
However, if they wish to continue playing, we encourage you to create a new account using the ****** service offered in your region.
For your convenience I have provided the link for ******'s services:
The response by an alleged member, which is not by far GM, and without the merit of the ticket is somewhat suspect.
Although it is plausible to say that the Core goes badly off the legs, the classic server there shown to be a fiasco, a decrease in the base of players, etc ... , despite the means of economy that still works there, would not be surprised at all, since the Staff here always gave priority to America as a whole (Central, North and South) as well as Australia and New Zealand.
Anyway, with the orange-skinned lord speaking fake speeches, things like DDOS from yesterday and today will not be a bit subtle from now on.
guys whats going on??? we can log in from Ukraine...i must use my vpn from work to log??? i play here 10 years...waste a lot of money for nccoins and u just close access? is it fair??? trust me ppl from Ukraine will never play at ******...we ask u to solve this situation very fast...since we are your loyal and long-termed customers!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:
we looking for official answer from NCwest management. not from GM or moderator...we wasted thousands of USD for your server and u close access w/o notification and explanations...otherwise we must to make lawsuit...from all ppl...
From political reasons ****** wished to block Ukraine's on servers NCwest. And ncwest as a little child does not even said but. GZ ncwest.
Nov 14, 22:21 PST
Hello there,
I understand why you're contacting NCSOFT, I'm afraid there is nothing we can do when it comes to the ****** Service.
Juji, please confirm this information. Why Ukraine is locked? Why not warn players in advance? Which country will be next? How ppl can play in NCWest servers? Use proxy?
Is adrenaline from Ukraine, could it have to do with it ?
I don't see any political reason to lock out Ukraine.
Oh wait, I hear the soon-to-be best buddies Putin and Trump had a first phone-chat yesterday. Could ofc be Wladi asked Donald to pwn Ukraine on NCWest servers :o
Is adrenaline from Ukraine, could it have to do with it ?
I don't see any political reason to lock out Ukraine.
Oh wait, I hear the soon-to-be best buddies Putin and Trump had a first phone-chat yesterday. Could ofc be Wladi asked Donald to pwn Ukraine on NCWest servers :o
Even those adena spammers were running from Ukraine.
Now, it is time to block the game from Russia as well, even from any kind of VPN :D That would solve alot of cheating problems.
Word "i n n o v a" is in black list here, but support gives link to In-nova server.
Lineage 2 is not a popular game in NA, 80% of people play from Europe.
Tomorrow you may block Greece, then Russia, then Poland. Without any notice like yesterday. Is it truth?
Pretty much the reason behind this is Adrenaline I don't know why it took them awhile to figure this out like couple of years back when GoD was released there were literally thousands of rmt farmers and their IP was traced back to China in the end China's IP is blocked from NCWest. So it wouldn't be far fetched to say that after Ukraine's IP is blocked it would be Russian IP that will be blocked as well or any country's IP that will be traced and be proved that has a high population of illegal 3rd party users. Though with that said this will hurt the game a lot for obvious reasons.
Pretty much the reason behind this is Adrenaline I don't know why it took them awhile to figure this out like couple of years back when GoD was released there were literally thousands of rmt farmers and their IP was traced back to China in the end China's IP is blocked from NCWest. So it wouldn't be far fetched to say that after Ukraine's IP is blocked it would be Russian IP that will be blocked as well or any country's IP that will be traced and be proved that has a high population of illegal 3rd party users. Though with that said this will hurt the game a lot for obvious reasons.
RMT in any online games is a serious business. Up to this day there still hasn't been an online game which is 100% cheat/bot/rmt proofed. I remember when this online game Overwatch came out and just few hours after it was released there's already a wallh4ck cheat circulating around for sale.
Now comes Russia IP block and bots are gone and 50% of server population. But If anyone from Ukraine is reading this and will be leaving send me a pm, dont let your hard earned adena and items go to waste !
But in real talk, the least Nc has to do is offer full account transfer to inn0va and refunds to every one with ncoin or subscriptions. If not for the last 2 they can get with crazy amount of lawsuits.
stop use 3rd party progs and start use proxy service like BattlePing.. most of you guys used to pay more for Monthly fee on zR so now u can spent that on proxy.
btw I don't think it's ok to IP block a whole country without cause out of the blue like this to be sure so a clarification is in order for sure, hopefully this stuff is just temporary..
ps, deffi those answers from Support are not ok as what's next block all of Europe etc ? NCWest servers can close down then as there won't be enough high volume paying customers left then..
All of the above that you say for bots etc have nothing to do i guess with what happend coz 90% of the players on those servers was using zr for years so i didnt saw countries to get blocked and forced to leave and play somewhere else and w/o warning.
Ukraine will remain blocked perma?
Is this gonna happen also for other countries?
For what reason that happend?
Lf answers from Juji or other staff
Pretty much the reason behind this is Adrenaline I don't know why it took them awhile to figure this out like couple of years back when GoD was released there were literally thousands of rmt farmers and their IP was traced back to China in the end China's IP is blocked from NCWest. So it wouldn't be far fetched to say that after Ukraine's IP is blocked it would be Russian IP that will be blocked as well or any country's IP that will be traced and be proved that has a high population of illegal 3rd party users.
Wise words. This has nothing to do with politics, it's simply business. Somebody in Orange County has correlated the amount of NCoins purchased from a given country with the amount of bots being run out of that country and come to the conclusion that it will be better for everybody if Ukrainians are sent to the company that has the license for Russia and Western Europe. After all, that company is paying royalties to NCKorea, like Tengxun in China, so there is no financial loss for NCsoft.
As far as the IP-banning of other countries is concerned, South Americans should feel fairly safe, since they have nowhere else to turn to. Europeans, however, both East and West, should carefully read the End User Licence Agreement and be aware that all their pixels belong to NCsoft and can be deleted at any time for no reason whatsoever. By using the L2Store you do not purchase pixels, you pay for a service that can be disconnected at any time without prior notice.
So, don't spend any money on this game that you wouldn't with equal lightheartedness spend in cafés and restaurants. And keep in mind that with purchasing NCoins you are financing jobs in the USA, while by drinking Russian vodka you are supporting the local economy. The latter would be the more patriotic course of action. Think global, drink local!
To the 40 million Ukrainians who are not RMT farmers:
If you can't let go of your pixels at NCWest and feel compelled to use a VPN service, stay away from the free ones. Those will get you an automatic perma-ban for "associating with suspicious accounts" or whatever the current wording is. You will find a list of officially approved VPN services here: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=251770#1
Wise words. This has nothing to do with politics, it's simply business. Somebody in Orange County has correlated the amount of NCoins purchased from a given country with the amount of bots being run out of that country and come to the conclusion that it will be better for everybody if Ukrainians are sent to the company that has the license for Russia and Western Europe. After all, that company is paying royalties to NCKorea, like Tengxun in China, so there is no financial loss for NCsoft.
As far as the IP-banning of other countries is concerned, South Americans should feel fairly safe, since they have nowhere else to turn to. Europeans, however, both East and West, should carefully read the End User Licence Agreement and be aware that all their pixels belong to NCsoft and can be deleted at any time for no reason whatsoever. By using the L2Store you do not purchase pixels, you pay for a service that can be disconnected at any time without prior notice.
So, don't spend any money on this game that you wouldn't with equal lightheartedness spend in cafés and restaurants. And keep in mind that with purchasing NCoins you are financing jobs in the USA, while by drinking Russian vodka you are supporting the local economy. The latter would be the more patriotic course of action. Think global, drink local!
To the 40 million Ukrainians who are not RMT farmers:
If you can't let go of your pixels at NCWest and feel compelled to use a VPN service, stay away from the free ones. Those will get you an automatic perma-ban for "associating with suspicious accounts" or whatever the current wording is. You will find a list of officially approved VPN services here: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=251770#1
Those VPN services won't help really. They will work only with game client. In case if you will force launcher to use IP's from those VPN's you will get ban for 3rd party software.
Ah well, then just consider it as a first step to reunification. When you are playing together with Russians on a Russian server you will realize that Russians as a statistical whole are not the monsters that your government wants you to believe. They are just people, like everybody else. Peace :)
I doubt anyone from Ukraine actually spent any money on game. Just here to exploit the game, and turn it into a way to make a living. The party is over guys!
A shortened version our talks with GM. If you plan to spend money on NCwest recommend a pause, if inn.ova will be wana Germany Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, etc are to be denied access on NA because existing European servers, NCwest without saying but just will do.
HF for all ppl who spend so much money.:D :rolleyes:
Technically NCWest is offering a service in Europe and Russia that they shouldn't, because inova is paying license fees for those rights.
Imo expect more countries to be restricted and servers Naia/Freya time zones to be changed to NA ones.
Technically NCWest is offering a service in Europe and Russia that they shouldn't, because inova is paying license fees for those rights.
Imo expect more countries to be restricted and servers Naia/Freya time zones to be changed to NA ones.
Ok lets say that you have right and NCWest should not offering service in Europe and Russia... 1rst NCWest is "older" company than inova one as i know , 2nd they SHOULD inform the members about the changes , 3rd they SHOULD transfer somehow all the chars + items +adena + everything they had on their wh etc at inova and not just "block" the access to NCWest servers ... Also some ppl play here for more than 2-3 years like i do so they should at least respect them for the time they spend in this game.. SO we still wait answers from some GM!!!
Ok lets say that you have right and NCWest should not offering service in Europe and Russia... 1rst NCWest is "older" company than inova one as i know , 2nd they SHOULD inform the members about the changes , 3rd they SHOULD transfer somehow all the chars + items +adena + everything they had on their wh etc at inova and not just "block" the access to NCWest servers ... Also some ppl play here for more than 2-3 years like i do so they should at least respect them for the time they spend in this game.. SO we still wait answers from some GM!!!
When you see last gm here?
Ok lets say that you have right and NCWest should not offering service in Europe and Russia... 1rst NCWest is "older" company than inova one as i know , 2nd they SHOULD inform the members about the changes , 3rd they SHOULD transfer somehow all the chars + items +adena + everything they had on their wh etc at inova and not just "block" the access to NCWest servers ... Also some ppl play here for more than 2-3 years like i do so they should at least respect them for the time they spend in this game.. SO we still wait answers from some GM!!!
NOPE, they shouldn't, go read the EULA , all of it.They can end the offered service at any time for any reason or without reason at all.Also transfer of items/accounts is not possible since the player doesn't own these things, so leave that aside and just focus on the present.
Technically NCWest is offering a service in Europe and Russia that they shouldn't, because inova is paying license fees for those rights.
Imo expect more countries to be restricted and servers Naia/Freya time zones to be changed to NA ones.
Aye they could do that and then close all but 1 server and explain to Korea why revenue profit margins dropped to non existent :)
Aye they could do that and then close all but 1 server and explain to Korea why revenue profit margins dropped to non existent :)
You do realize that the orders came from Korea?They also may benefit very much from having only 2 servers , instead of 4.
NOPE, they shouldn't, go read the EULA , all of it.They can end the offered service at any time for any reason or without reason at all.Also transfer of items/accounts is not possible since the player doesn't own these things, so leave that aside and just focus on the present.
Aye they could do that and then close all but 1 server and explain to Korea why revenue profit margins dropped to non existent :)
Mixa is right. While the revenue resp. profit will certainly drop at NCWest when Europeans are excluded from their servers, many of those players will move on to Core or Russia, where basically everybody has a Premium Account - you are not accepted in parties over there if you don't bring the 2x drop bonus to the group.
So while NCWest will certainly suffer, the company that may not be named will benefit. And the revenue they are sending to Korea is pure net profit for NCsoft - no GMs etc. to be paid. So if we assume that many of the Europeans currently playing at NCWest are freeloaders who will be forced to pay for a Premium Account at their new home, NCsoft as a whole will probably benefit from a total IP-ban for anything beyond the Atlantic Ocean :)
Technically NCWest is offering a service in Europe and Russia that they shouldn't, because inova is paying license fees for those rights.
Imo expect more countries to be restricted and servers Naia/Freya time zones to be changed to NA ones.
NOPE, they shouldn't, go read the EULA , all of it.They can end the offered service at any time for any reason or without reason at all.Also transfer of items/accounts is not possible since the player doesn't own these things, so leave that aside and just focus on the present.
sorry that i am gonna say this here but this is bullshts ... nc company fails again and again ... disappointing that we as players talk about honor in game when the company has no honor at all ... they should at least inform or something ... if other game like L.O.L by Riot was dare to do something like these ... woohooo a war would begun XD
i doubt that NCwest players will start from scratch on ****** servers after spending years and money on ncwest servers
Many will certainly move on to other things, especially those who are already tired and worn out and are just waiting for a pretext to end it all. On the other hand, players from Ukraine and other countries are apparently more trouble than they bring profit for NCsoft, otherwise they would not have been IP-banned. From NCsoft's point of view, if they move on to Russia, it's profit for them, if they move on to ice fishing, it's a good riddance :)
Mixa is right. While the revenue resp. profit will certainly drop at NCWest when Europeans are excluded from their servers, many of those players will move on to Core or Russia, where basically everybody has a Premium Account - you are not accepted in parties over there if you don't bring the 2x drop bonus to the group.
So while NCWest will certainly suffer, the company that may not be named will benefit. And the revenue they are sending to Korea is pure net profit for NCsoft - no GMs etc. to be paid. So if we assume that many of the Europeans currently playing at NCWest are freeloaders who will be forced to pay for a Premium Account at their new home, NCsoft as a whole will probably benefit from a total IP-ban for anything beyond the Atlantic Ocean :)
You do realize that the orders came from Korea?They also may benefit very much from having only 2 servers , instead of 4.
So you are blatantly assuming people would happily reroll over there at the european servers, when some people have 10+ years of history here?
You cant be that dense, nor can NCSoft be that dense.
If they block the entire EU (as per this thread) from access to this region, they are essentially killing their own game & their company.
Who in their right mind would play a game from NCSoft in the future if they did that?
No one cared much when they banned Chinese IPs a couple of years back, probably it is the same case here...
Too many bots, too few players and very litte purchases of NCoin from that country.
... disappointing that we as players talk about honor in game when the company has no honor at all ...
Companies do not think in terms of honor. This is simply a matter of written law. By clicking on "I Agree" when logging into the game, you accept the End User License Agreement, de facto signing a contract with NCsoft. If you find the terms of that contract immoral, don't click on "I Agree", don't play any NCsoft games. There are plenty of other leisure activities out there :)
So you are blatantly assuming people would happily reroll over there at the european servers, when some people have 10+ years of history here?
You cant be that dense, nor can NCSoft be that dense.
If they block the entire EU (as per this thread) from access to this region, they are essentially killing their own game & their company.
Who in their right mind would play a game from NCSoft in the future if they did that?
No one cared much when they banned Chinese IPs a couple of years back, probably it is the same case here...
Too many bots, too few players and very litte purchases of NCoin from that country.
Mixa is right. While the revenue resp. profit will certainly drop at NCWest when Europeans are excluded from their servers, many of those players will move on to Core or Russia, where basically everybody has a Premium Account - you are not accepted in parties over there if you don't bring the 2x drop bonus to the group.
So while NCWest will certainly suffer, the company that may not be named will benefit. And the revenue they are sending to Korea is pure net profit for NCsoft - no GMs etc. to be paid. So if we assume that many of the Europeans currently playing at NCWest are freeloaders who will be forced to pay for a Premium Account at their new home, NCsoft as a whole will probably benefit from a total IP-ban for anything beyond the Atlantic Ocean :)
Not going to happen, they mess with my account like that I will never bother to play anything touched by NC Soft ever again and will make sure nobody I know thru social media will either ;)
only viable reason for NC to do so is when it's time to turn off all L2 NCWest servers.
You do realize that the orders came from Korea?They also may benefit very much from having only 2 servers , instead of 4.
If Korea wants to kill their easy money cash cow here then by all means go ahead but as server hardware maintenance cost is actually quite cheap these days the cost difference between running 2 or 4 servers is minimal..
So you are blatantly assuming people would happily reroll over there at the european servers, when some people have 10+ years of history here?
You cant be that dense, nor can NCSoft be that dense.
If they block the entire EU (as per this thread) from access to this region, they are essentially killing their own game & their company.
Who in their right mind would play a game from NCSoft in the future if they did that?
No one cared much when they banned Chinese IPs a couple of years back, probably it is the same case here...
Too many bots, too few players and very litte purchases of NCoin from that country.
Actually it means that NCWest can't find the way to fight with bots. People who created that new soft which i won't name here and spamming about selling adena in game are not that dumb. They will just use VPN and keep making what they was making. And people who was investing money and playing here will stop playing.
i doubt that NCwest players will start from scratch on ****** servers after spending years and money on ncwest servers
Game is about people. If friends, clans leave Naia or another ncwest server and half of them will go to inn.ova, it's for most people still ok.
i thought that also but missing the biggest rmt,bot abuser country aka Russia
Well, Inova covers Russia big time for Lineage2.
I`m sure Juji will come around and tell us what is going on.I`m also from Europe, so dunno why ppl think I want that to happen lol.Although, if it happens, I can accept it and move on, still got toons on Core :D
Game is about people. If friends, clans leave Naia or another ncwest server and half of them will go to inn.ova, it's for most people still ok.
That's right, and it has happened before. Old Teonists will remember the Centurions clan which consisted mostly of Russians and who moved as a whole to the first official Russian server when that opened. I don't see why the DragonHunters couldn't do that too :)
So basically what might happen - i really doubt Ukraine is bringing any revenue(same as Russia) so the move might be a green light to simply isolate it.
So basically what might happen - i really doubt Ukraine is bringing any revenue(same as Russia) so the move might be a green light to simply isolate it.
Not going to happen, they mess with my account like that I will never bother to play anything touched by NC Soft ever again and will make sure nobody I know thru social media will either ;)
only viable reason for NC to do so is when it's time to turn off all L2 NCWest servers.
Agree over here. I won't reroll any L2, not even private server, if they pull this trick on me.
Unless a clan has big RMT income moving a whole clan from one server to another within same company is already a big undertaking and you won't be able to get everybody along. Closing down half of Europe and hoping they all will join the 'official euro' servers is crazy. Nobody is willing to just dump (for most of us) 8+ years of gameplay and gathering and move to servers where the economics and status is as worse as Naia, Chronos, Zaken and Freya. I already got my hands full dealing with DH and all strong clans on the other servers, competing with the BlackAngels and w/e zerg they have these days on Core is even more insane.
I want a solid explanation. Banning Ukraine because of w/e reason is stupid but maybe they have a good reason for it. If it continues to other countries within European borders they just killing their own game. They forget that on Naia, Chronos, Zaken and Freya majority of the players is from Poland, Greece and Russia, with minorities of Americans. Everybody will suffer, prices goes down like the 2009 Franz purge and everybody except the people that use L2 to pay their rent will leave.
I gotta say... I start to believe that the OP just got a very generic reply of a low tier support staff member. Because I don't see any of my Russians or Georgian clan members being offline while their countries are on the block list as well
The ones that cheated for years got what they deserved, if the country IP blocks are true, unfortunately, the legit and innocent players got mixed into it due to the cheaters, so you know who to thank for.
The ones that cheated for years got what they deserved, if the country IP blocks are true, unfortunately, the legit and innocent players got mixed into it due to the cheaters, so you know who to thank for.
Just imagine if those people wont be able to sell that gear for NA price anymore. This thing makes me happy.
So basically what might happen - i really doubt Ukraine is bringing any revenue(same as Russia) so the move might be a green light to simply isolate it.
This was already enforced in BnS
****** has exclusive rights to release NCSoft games in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan. So they blocked these countries to access west servers and in return RU servers blocked rest of the countries to accessing their servers.
This was already enforced in BnS
So they blocked these countries to access west servers and in return RU servers blocked rest of the countries to accessing their servers.
Yep - Newest Update:
RMT Reasson.
The following countries have been blocked due to sanctions placed by the US Department of State:
Cuba
Iran
North Korea
Sudan
Syria
Ukraine
Innova and NCWest clash of interrest:
In addition to the above countries, NCSOFT has placed additional blocks on the following countries because of our contractual obligations with Innova:
Armenia
Azerbaidjan
Belarus
Kazahstan
Kyrgyzstan
Moldova
Turkmenistan
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan
Georgia
Russia
EU/RU L2 are the same company, I n n o v a, so really this means Europe is next, RIP L2 NC West..
was a good ride, to bad it had to end like this :(
and I blame NCWest fully here as when NC gave the franchise to RU L2 which later included EU L2 the existing NCWest player base from Europe (Western & Eastern) + Russia were promised they could keep play here.. ~5 years later this happens yeah right..
Before:
"In addition to the above countries, NCSOFT has placed additional blocks on the following countries because of our contractual obligations with Innova"
Now:
"In addition to the above countries, NCSOFT has placed additional blocks on the following countries because of other legal and security reasons" :D
Yea lo, that page actually got updated in last few hours, now is separated in sections and additional countries.Europe is next, since Inova covers that pretty much as lecensee there.
The current block for the countries below is in effect for new account creation across all NCWest titles.
A few countries were also blocked from logging into the game due to global issues.
I mentioned in another thread before, but we are not planning to close L2 servers at all.
We also do not have any plans to block other countries that are not mentioned on the list.