Doomcryer will be the best ISS ever....2 harmony in one .....***** sh1et... Wynns dream...
They mess up really bad this "diversification"....
a clasament will look like this:
1.Iss Doomcryer(double harmony War+Wiz and party chant of bison)
2.Iss Spectral master(lvl 2 War harmony)
3.Iss Hierophant(lvl2 Knight harmony, POW changed but still worth to 3rd place)
4.Iss Dominator(party and clan buffer, good pvp skils)
5.Iss Sword Muse(lvl 2 Wizz harmony)
All Iss except Iss Doomcryer will have all 3 lvl 1 Harmony and some 1 harmony lvl 2. Iss Doomcryer will have Earth harmony(wiz+war lvl 1) and knight harmony lvl 1.
All ISS will loose ultimate skils, ISS domi will have new ultimate skils almoust same efect.
This Iss Diversification patch is atm obscure and foggy, at best bet imo.
Playing live Iss will be hard, and more hardest to play any Orc type Iss. Less time to debuff, more time to be kicking in on selfbuffs, sonatas and assist. Scrub players will be spotted in a matter of secs, as their poor gameplay will greatly slowdown any decent party out there.
In NCwest, PP iss will be again be left to the box niche while SwS will get sh*t spit on their face (all depends how the Feoh update will change things for that classe, but I dont think they will be too OP to be worth any class change/leveling a sws buffer for any cp. Anyway, how many full mage CP's do we know in these west lands?)
Dark times r coming, and I'm already afraid if they will come up and how they will come up with a tank/healer diversification. Everybody please hold your marimba!
For **** sake im sick and tired of hearing how hard will be to play Doomcryer just because sonatas timing will be cut in half ... IT TAKES 2 SECONDS TO CAST SONATAS! stop being ******* re tards :mad::mad::mad:
This Iss Diversification patch is atm obscure and foggy, at best bet imo.
Playing live Iss will be hard, and more hardest to play any Orc type Iss. Less time to debuff, more time to be kicking in on selfbuffs, sonatas and assist. Scrub players will be spotted in a matter of secs, as their poor gameplay will greatly slowdown any decent party out there.
In NCwest, PP iss will be again be left to the box niche while SwS will get sh*t spit on their face (all depends how the Feoh update will change things for that classe, but I dont think they will be too OP to be worth any class change/leveling a sws buffer for any cp. Anyway, how many full mage CP's do we know in these west lands?)
Dark times r coming, and I'm already afraid if they will come up and how they will come up with a tank/healer diversification. Everybody please hold your marimba!
There are many classes with disadvantages to them, but people still play them cuz they like them. If a person wants to make a SWS iss he will make a SWS iss no matter anything. Stop ******* btching around
My iss is a Hierophant and ill get the most stupid harmony that anyone rarely even uses Knight .., but im still not gonna change class to Specter for the warrior harmony
There are many classes with disadvantages to them, but people still play them cuz they like them. If a person wants to make a SWS iss he will make a SWS iss no matter anything. Stop ******* btching around
My iss is a Hierophant and ill get the most stupid harmony that anyone rarely even uses Knight .., but im still not gonna change class to Specter for the warrior harmony
+1 but to be clear you will still have the old bufs just that PP get's KN as improved version at 103 where SwM gets Wizard and BD Warrior and DC a hybride Wiz+War..
as PP gets to cast POM 2x that will be still very strong & popular just now things gets more complicated as there will be more options available and there's no more only "1" best ISS for every situation.
for example:
- top PVE dps ppl will want improved Warrior + POM / Wizard + POM if Mage party
- simple no brainer party would prefer DC for it's Wiz+War hybride aka no need to cast Wiz before popping skills anymore
- Domi's get party bufs again so have a lil easier way to find XP outside clan with ppl that don't demand the above type of buffs
ps, box ISS will need to be lvled to 103 now :P
pps, bufs increase in strength with learn level upto 105
For **** sake im sick and tired of hearing how hard will be to play Doomcryer just because sonatas timing will be cut in half ... IT TAKES 2 SECONDS TO CAST SONATAS! stop being ******* re tards :mad::mad::mad:
Yeah, tell this to ppl that r pvp focused while their osom iss is being under party attack of 4+ dds then healer, just to prevent they to be with sonatas for whole 2.5min, and god forbid enemy party casts block ress debuff on iss, so GG.
Lol, can you chill the f* down and take those 2s that you care to shout in caps to think about the upcome scenario for a bit? thank you.
There are many classes with disadvantages to them, but people still play them cuz they like them. If a person wants to make a SWS iss he will make a SWS iss no matter anything. Stop ******* btching around
My iss is a Hierophant and ill get the most stupid harmony that anyone rarely even uses Knight .., but im still not gonna change class to Specter for the warrior harmony
I can agree with the first phrase of your sentence, but seriously, from all those classes, tell me 1 (just 1) that's able to replace Iss. Go on.
This diversification is a downward to what GoD tried to do when party setup changed from 9 to 7 players (simply, clean build with almost no to less drama possible), and what will come is clearly the opposite. Maybe it wont be felt so blatantly here on NCwest, where a few r in their 102-103 range, but surely this will have a huge impact on Core or RU servers, where random ppl is approaching their 102-103 just by being afk and fishing/instace'ing all day long while being away from PC.
Then, it will need more that good faith to convince ppl to take that even 103 SWS into a warrior-type party to farm that specific instance or go siege/pvp. Do you see it now? If not now, as soon this update hits such servers, you gonna be able to see ppl shouting out for specific Iss classes (mostly BD, PP or DC) to go into their things, something that we have hardly experienced atm.
And from all ppl, you should be the one to acknowledge that, @Draecke, or just remember when SE healer were just a mere box to any mage/pole user and a personal kookaburra, because of bad dev decisions to nerf its skills just to bring more variety.
Rly, even Feoh diversification werent more impactant that the Iss's one will be for us (bcuz of the greedy west culture), and this will be fact in long term play in servers where more than half population is over 102+.
And @Maeve, who care about knight harmony, seriously? Only thing that matter is that PP will be able to cast PoM twice. You fail even to see that, boo, so fix your lipstick before rantin on me, pls.
I used to xp in the old days with SwM (myself) + BD + DC + PP + OL and these days I tend to xp with 2 Tanks (HK & SK) and 2+ ISS all the times so really no change there for me but I'm very aware I'm a huge exception ^^"
in the old days nobody would party PP/OL and yeah I expect we will see the same soon for SwM even though that "soon" is still at least 6+ Months away as this diversification isn't part of the upcoming update.
Astarothyand god forbid enemy party casts block ress debuff on iss, so GG.
Lol, can you chill the f* down and take those 2s that you care to shout in caps to think about the upcome scenario for a bit? thank you./QUOTE]
OMG!!! What kind of ****** will cast block ress on an ISS ?? are u seriously trying to find excuses for not being able to take 2 seconds to cast sonatas?
Astarothyand god forbid enemy party casts block ress debuff on iss, so GG.
Lol, can you chill the f* down and take those 2s that you care to shout in caps to think about the upcome scenario for a bit? thank you.
OMG!!! What kind of ****** will cast block ress on an ISS ?? are u seriously trying to find excuses for not being able to take 2 seconds to cast sonatas?
you are ridiculous!!!
And im a very PVP oriented iss so i know what im talking about..
You should upgrade ur iss gear, if u are so weak that u cant even cast sonatas that take 2 seconds
but seriously, from all those classes, tell me 1 (just 1) that's able to replace Iss. Go on.
Idiot .. i didnt say another class can replay the iss in party.
I said IF a person wants to make SWS iss , not matter what the disadvantages to the class are, he will make SWS iss.
FYI *person who noone has heard of* the harmony harmony comment was just an example. im pretty sure i know iss better then u do... seeing as u are complaing about not evening having 2 second to cast ur sonata and commenting that someone would cast a block ress on an iss (FACEPALM BIG TIME).
so you should go fix ur lipstick before u try to teach other people how to play
+1 but to be clear you will still have the old bufs just that PP get's KN as improved version at 103 where SwM gets Wizard and BD Warrior and DC a hybride Wiz+War..
as PP gets to cast POM 2x that will be still very strong & popular just now things gets more complicated as there will be more options available and there's no more only "1" best ISS for every situation.
for example:
- top PVE dps ppl will want improved Warrior + POM / Wizard + POM if Mage party
- simple no brainer party would prefer DC for it's Wiz+War hybride aka no need to cast Wiz before popping skills anymore
- Domi's get party bufs again so have a lil easier way to find XP outside clan with ppl that don't demand the above type of buffs
ps, box ISS will need to be lvled to 103 now :P
pps, bufs increase in strength with learn level upto 105
I have read all the info on iss very well and i know it all.
PS: noone will lvl a BOX to 103 just for one harmony
You can't even /quote properly on these boards and had to triple post just to bark some free insults as if it'd sound less as an idiocy from a "very PVP oriented iss that think he knows what he trying to talk about" while trying to babysitter me on the matter that we dont even got yet. Wow, big pro.
While you fixing YOUR lipstick before talking more nonsense to me, lemme I politely ask you, are you mad, boo?
You can't even /quote properly on these boards and had to triple post just to bark some free insults as if it'd sound less as an idiocy from a "very PVP oriented iss that think he knows what he trying to talk about" while trying to babysitter me on the matter that we dont even got yet. Wow, big pro.
While you fixing YOUR lipstick before talking more nonsense to me, lemme I politely ask you, are you mad, boo?
:o
Says the person who tells me people use block ress on iss in pvp !!!
You can insult me all you want, that doesnt change the fact that u are a huge noob who commented that he cant even take 2 seconds to cast sonata during pvp...(FACEPALM)
FYI you are the one complaining about that matter we dont even have yet.. All i did was trying to correct your stupidity Mr. Big shot United iss
there will be plenty of ppl making lvl 103 boxes just like there are plenty of 101+ unawaken SOS boxes or POM ISS boxes right now..
as a matter of fact I never stopped leveling my box ISS when I was stilling xping and even on zero boost/Vitality that char is now almost lvl 103 so lol..
the new improved Harmonies at lvl 103 are just too good to ignore period so besides leveling active ISS player friends it completely makes sense to also level up your boxes for those days when you're unable to find an active 103+ ISS.
Anyone know or is too early.....I wonder if they improved ISS dps with this "diversification", what players say in kr?
Offtopic: I saw Lineage Eternal was delisted from game selection at ncsoft, they put on hold this project? Also new LineageM appear ...I wonder what is it.
First of all, I dont wanna be mean to a disabled person, so if you have any mental disorder/issue, please say it. You dont even make sense, wth.
Says the person who tells me people use block ress on iss in pvp !!!
You can insult me all you want, that doesnt change the fact that u are a huge noob who commented that he cant even take 2 seconds to cast sonata during pvp...(FACEPALM)
You r the one calling me names, and for any forum warrior out there, you should know once you resort on that low, you already lost the discussion, so please release the grip, 'cuz it aint making you any good at this point.
And for God's sake, who cares about any orc iss, tbh? Because I could care less and all I said was that will be easily spottable ANY SCRUB orc iss player, so if you fall into that category, just deal with it and stop b*tching up.
About the "oh noes, block ress on iss during pvp" line, yes, you r totally right, because I must be a fool of thinking ppl would EVER change their methods/practices in pvp after a huge change like the ones coming soon. /byefelicia
FYI you are the one complaining about that matter we dont even have yet.. All i did was trying to correct your stupidity Mr. Big shot United iss
You r taking things for granted, making things up and taking assumptions on hypothetical situations and getting mad at them. You need help.
Anyway, this rage of yours is so visceral that I even think you know me ingame and even stalk me. Hope you dont find my real world address, I dont like seeing unexpected ugly faces. :(
there will be plenty of ppl making lvl 103 boxes just like there are plenty of 101+ unawaken SOS boxes or POM ISS boxes right now..
as a matter of fact I never stopped leveling my box ISS when I was stilling xping and even on zero boost/Vitality that char is now almost lvl 103 so lol..
the new improved Harmonies at lvl 103 are just too good to ignore period so besides leveling active ISS player friends it completely makes sense to also level up your boxes for those days when you're unable to find an active 103+ ISS.
Exactly, now imagine this same scenario scalated x2 or x3, that's what happens in euro servers, where ppl xp their boxes via offline training camps/neverending fishing.
The diversification will bring some sort of segregation and discrimination, this is a fact that any 2-brain-cell can predict. Period.
Amazes me how ppl play this **** game for almost 13y and they still ignore that korean mentality and way to play this game differ greatly from western players. L2 aint HKO and never will be.
A: You play a buffer and you really suck and/or people tell you that you really suck.
B: At one time or another ALL buffers were "GREAT".
C: Now ALL buffers suck.
D: You know how to differentiate between what a good and a bad buffer actually is.
E: Maybe a buffer or buffers you know were great at one time, but now they suck.
F: Maybe you were a good or great buffer at one time but now you suck.
G: You have been in too many partys where you either have to remind the buffer to do sonatas or buffs or
even both or the buffer went afk or fell asleep (at the worst time possible!).
H: You have been in way too many partys where your buffer is just somebody's boxed toon.
I: This "somebody's boxed toon" really sucks because the person behind it never learned how to
play it properly. Never having learned to play his/hers toon propery this person has little incentive to
improve his/her playstyle and get into the spirit of becoming a good buffer.
Know that "a good buffer" or "a great buffer" is made by good or great players+their toons.
It is the sum of both that defines a buffer.
Hence there are some buffers that were NEVER GREAT at ANY time, leaving little hope that they will ever
improve and be great at playinng a buffer.
J: That yes you actually do know or have known some great buffers that are not lazy and actually PLAY
their buffer in raids and participate in their party with enthusiasm instead of giving the buffer class a bad name
by showing how bad some buffers can really be.
K: You are assuming that by waving it's magic wand NC SOFT has the ability to cure all of your bad buffer blues.
Here's a clue: (that's not gonna happen.)
........................................
NC SOFT can only do so much to improve your quality of buffer experience. Unfortunately no matter what they do
the potential of "where did we find this buffer? He/She really friggin SUCKS!!!" will most likey continue to
aggravate you.
dunno about that, my average parties look like 3 to 4 iss and/or 3 healers and/or 3 tanks - no joke :)
it helps when you can do enough damage yourself and have no problem help out those who can't do stuff easily by themselves ingame ^^
ps, this also means I will have quite a few active real ISS players on my FL that will be 103+ by the time this ISS improvement update comes out here :D