hello!can anyone tell me wich is best tank for pve/daylies instaces/rb?
i have dual phoenix knight 85 and want to change to other tank if this isn't best for pve.tnx in advance!
for PVE only that's SK till 101 as it has paralyze skills for mob control & extra attack/debuf then HK as the HK 101 aura (debuf on mobs/raids) means a huge dps boost for all
for PVE only that's SK till 101 as it has paralyze skills for mob control & extra attack/debuf then HK as the HK 101 aura (debuf on mobs/raids) means a huge dps boost for all
Note that the self buff effect of the HK aura stacks on top of the debuff effect
self buff -> P. Atk./Atk. Spd + 25%, P. Critical Rate + 80, P. Critical Damage + 25% and Speed + 20.
debuff effect which benefits the whole party/CC/Clan -> For nearby enemies, P./M. Atk. - 30%, Atk. Spd./Casting Spd. - 30%, Speed - 20 and received Critical Damage + 15%.
HK 101 aura is better for pve because it reduce further the damage mobs do to tank, therefore is easier (or less gear needed) to perform as tank in certain areas.
Most ppl prefer to get buffed by an increase in his stat rather a debuff on mob from crt damage. that 10% patk / matk (or 14% because an increase in +11 get the atack/m atack to that) on DD may be better than an increase on tank dps. IF you have uber gear and party has uber gear the increase in patk/matk on party member will generate more dps.
Honestly i see avenger aura better than other tanks because it provides the best defensive against mobs damage. For pve.
In oly depends against you are fightig, tank vs tank HK has an advantage, but against other classes the paralize skills provide a huge advantage, besides make it more fun XD
HK 101 aura is better for pve because it reduce further the damage mobs do to tank, therefore is easier (or less gear needed) to perform as tank in certain areas.
Most ppl prefer to get buffed by an increase in his stat rather a debuff on mob from crt damage. that 10% patk / matk (or 14% because an increase in +11 get the atack/m atack to that) on DD may be better than an increase on tank dps. IF you have uber gear and party has uber gear the increase in patk/matk on party member will generate more dps.
Honestly i see avenger aura better than other tanks because it provides the best defensive against mobs damage. For pve.
In oly depends against you are fightig, tank vs tank HK has an advantage, but against other classes the paralize skills provide a huge advantage, besides make it more fun XD
HK aura makes the receiving target to garner an additional +15% crit damage meaning anyone who hits will have their damage increase by 15% every time they do critical hits + the panther also gives the same debuff as crit wound though land rate is low and short span but its still there
Anytime their passive party buff is proced you will have 25% p atk, 25% p atk scales way harder than 15% crit damage. 25% P Atk translates into a lot more when skills are up.
Anytime their passive party buff is proced you will have 25% p atk, 25% p atk scales way harder than 15% crit damage. 25% P Atk translates into a lot more when skills are up.
Aura is only +12 = 14.3% P Atk + 8% from passive trigger and 15 Attribute.
I could test full skills would be 100kish P Atk from the Aura's.
And with this argument you're trying to raise that patk is way better than p.crit damage wouldn't you prefer to use chant of bison instead of PoM? Coz I would say PoM > Chant of Bison and its not even close. And both SK and HK have similar passive trigger they have different names but they have similar stats :)
Anytime their passive party buff is proced you will have 25% p atk, 25% p atk scales way harder than 15% crit damage. 25% P Atk translates into a lot more when skills are up.
Aura is only +12 = 14.3% P Atk + 8% from passive trigger and 15 Attribute.
I could test full skills would be 100kish P Atk from the Aura's.
Next time first bother to check the link I provided so you would have known HK also has a party trigger buff that adds P./M.Atk. +12% versus SK's trigger buff P./M.Atk. +9%..
Now I hate to go ego boost mode but here's a fraps which was posted in this Tank section months ago which shows how a HK doing AF Instance as main DPS and it was actually a bad run with just boxed iss.. the guy frapsed it when he was drunk and didn't mention it to me as he knows I don't like to brag.
Next time first bother to check the link I provided so you would have known HK also has a party trigger buff that adds P./M.Atk. +12% versus SK's trigger buff P./M.Atk. +9%..
Now I hate to go ego boost mode but here's a fraps which was posted in this Tank section months ago which shows how a HK doing AF Instance as main DPS and it was actually a bad run with just boxed iss.. the guy frapsed it when he was drunk and didn't mention it to me as he knows I don't like to brag.
I'm sorry I was unaware that it did but anyways this doesn't prove crit dmg>patk. Take a SK and DA hit a mob without skills popped on something other than said tank (evis, titan, GK) and then test the same thing with full skills/buffs. Wheres the tipping point is 100k extra p atk better than say 40k patk and 15% crit damage? I guess there is 10% attack speed as well but any stacked DD will be maxed anyways. I'm still waiting to see a legitimate test not some random video. This is to show me how much you invested to pve on your tank I guess? I can tell you that single target open field IE GC/Superion the mob isnt alive long enough for the aura to even proc so the constant 17% p atk from the Aura is much better there. At the end of the day if you want to pve for real why not both tanks :^).
well after many testing over the years this is how damage scales on a PVE DPS Tank build to my findings:
1. P. Critical damage
2. P.att
3. Elemental P.att (this is based on the assumption you will be 500+ without having to use Exalted Tiara or Agathions)
The amount of damage I can do with my crits on regular attacks is pretty crazy. It allows me for doing K99 with just a pom iss box in less then 10min, AF Instance even faster but do prefer to have a healer there just in case and when killing Dragons I do between 1/4~1/3 of same dps as the most stacked Titan in our CC who hits for 24mil per crit..
Now not to brag but I don't know of any SK being able to do the same and as a matter of fact I used to be SK and changed to HK the moment I realized the full potential of the HK aura - on a stacked toon the 40% extra Crit Damage boost is just major.
For simple aoe grinds in say Superion etc ofc I will take a 101+ SK with me in party as that works very fine for me with how further the DPS scales and I do love the looks of unbelief when DD's get told they can't have PoM as their DPS ain't equal to mine, uber stacked Titans are only exception :P
btw I listed the max learn level values for those party trigger bufs, the SK one will be maxed at lvl104 with a 9% boost.
Looooooong story short for PVE HK is the best with SK a good 2nd and for PVP SK is the best period :)
I understand and I think this is where we are getting mixed up HK by itself is the best PvE Tank no doubt. I'm talking about a dragon situation or anytime in full skills for a proper DD. Then said most stacked titan the P Atk increase is probably upwards of 200k that also gets scaled on by Passive/Active crit and other Crit Damage modifiers. As the P Atk difference gets higher and higher I think it would 100% outscale 15% crit damage. Thinking logically it just seems to be better in my head but I am too lazy to fully test it. Anyways, both tanks is the way to go. :D
Also, I would love to see you kill faster than my evis in superion. :)
Nice Video Kei, what amaze me is the gear. Mid range, nothing fancy, very cheap XD.
Mmm maybe to lvl the char to 104 or more is not bad idea to be a HK and then return to SK XD.
Yea no one will argue that by himself HK beat others tanks in pve XD.
I also agree with backstabb1. Others party member will do more damage with templar aura on them ( BR, SOS, etc) but maybe the overall damage with a stacked HK on the party will be more than with a stacked SK (because the SK will do a lot less damage than the Stacked HK) improving the performance of the whole party.
On next update it will change due AP and remove of rampage shield. It will be very expensive to change AP betwen defensive to ofensive so it will need more gear to keep the setup and not been a 2 shot char XD. Also the removal of RS will affect the DPS by a lot.
The Avenger on the video, with that gear, will be a PVE char only =P
pro players will have a set up for PVE and another for PVP, not that difficult to chance AP's - the PVP gear part is kinda expensive but doable just not right off the bat for new players.
For what I read it will require 500kk to reset AP, expensive i think for most....
The fact that on new AP there is 16% les HP may required a more CON Build. Also less pdef on AP. But with end game gear will not mather.
That pro player crap i dont buy it.
When God started you can have a decent farm and bulk up some resources. I can gather some of it, and build a a semi decent gear (bether than the HK that solo Kama on that video) but not that much. The old players ofcourse have more resourses, but for new player is imposible to gather the amount of adena to gear up decently, unless ofcourse, mastercard (or bot but thats not allowed).
For me pro player is one who know how to play is char in different situations and do it good. I understand that a minimum equipment is required, ofcourse to be more than a one shot target XD. (like obsidian, diamond, etc wich are mastercard exclusives btw and i be force to buy it to play.. lucky me got thouse lvl 4 for few try :D)
Question Draecke, how much pdef gives a bloody set +8 over a normal eternal set +8? in % or in an example, like normal iss buff
In the end of the day tanks is one of the cheapest core pvp character to gear up in this game that's why I'm playing this class if not I'll be playing yul/dagger as well XD and honestly like you mentioned I would rather be a midgeared tank who has knowledge about this class than the other way around. Bloody +8 and Dark +8 provides the same pdef and back to your question Bloody +8 and Normal +8 has a difference of around 400-500 pdef with full buffs. And bottomline is for PvE if you're a tank and you're a person who can provide different gears for PvE and PvP and have the adena to change setup every time go for it but if you're a cheap 4ss like me be in a cp with stacked dds or at least join a cp and let them carry you in PvE and remember a tank without a cp is a lonely tank can't fully enjoy playing tank if you're gonna play with random lineup in pvp :P
about gear it's all about what you think works for you and how you can support certain builds in combo with other equipment..
simple example as if anyone actually bother to look closely to my AF run video you will see I have a Vesper Noble armor equipped with zero glow and that's cause it really is a Vesper set :)
Masterwork Noble Vesper Hvy armor adds the most Patt of all Hvy sets and still has good enough Pdef when used in combo with abundance lvl1 and diamond 3+ to outshine any Bloody Hvy sets.
Now on the PVP side of things even a simple +4 Apo Cutter with HP/Haste SA build with the right type of augment will be more then enough for any mass pvp situation period.
Only get a PVP R99 weapon on a Tank if you are serious about Oly or just have to much money else don't bother - if need the PVP SA for the extra HP just make it PVE which is way cheaper.. heck a 1H Tauti Axe is better then a PVP Cutter.
long story short there are several ways in how you can maker a semi decent build without things getting crazy expensive.
I was reading this topic for some time already cause I am leveling one HK and never played tank so far. I want to ask something about gear. I am thinking to use it strictly for PvE only, not PvP this HK.
The gear I was able to get so far is this:
+8 Blessed TW Heavy set
+8 Blessed Apo Cutter (HP and Att speed atm, will change Att for more HP later)
dyes 3 x +5CON -2STR
+5 Istina Shirt
+5 Monkey Belt
Abu Hunter
Hair Acc CON+M Def
+5 Istina Earing
+5 CoC Earing Mental Att
+5 Octa Neck War
+5 Ring of Creation
+4 Octa Ring War
Rudolph Agathion
Epic jewels and Abu Hunter I am borrowing from my wynn for now cause I am not really sure what epic jewels PvE tank is needing. That is my question in fact - which of the jewels I can use with HK and which I can try to buy him in the future.
In general which of the gear I mentioned above I can use and which I need to switch with better one.
Quick rundown of gear to get an idea of where these numbers come from:
+16 Bless Apoc Cutter
+6 Masterworks Vesper Noble Set
Rare Acc Pack (I have perma stun jewel set for oly/siege)
7s, Insanity, lv4 Abun, Venir 16 Talismans
+15 STR
+3 STR Bracelet
4* Agathion
Freya Rune (I got a years supply of these :))
STR Stew / Rose
+3 STR / P.Attack Acc
+7 Phys Shirt
Exalted Cloak
LV4 PvE Gem Set (Dia, Eme, Opal, Ruby, Vit)
Clan Advent & Full Clan Skills (this is huge for all you lone wolfs out there)
My stats are good but could be better. There are certainly stronger PvE Tanks out there.
So we are around the same P.Atk... when I have BR+Frenzy+Savage ^^
It's kind of weird that with all that setup you don't reach the 500 Crit. I guess pt buffs get you there anyway
I actually need to change the SA on that weapon. It is Health & Health/Haste for sieges. It had those SA's on it when I got it and I have been too lazy to change them. I've been focusing on my main but as soon as it hit 103 I will switch back to my dual and switch to Might & Death/Focus. That will easily put me over 30k and my crit rate will be 500.
Additionally, if/when Red Libre comes back I will switch my +18 Bless Apoc Pole to a Sword/Blunt. I should have 32-34k with that weap.
Since your main is Maestro and you'll be using Focus, Blunt might be better
The max P.Atk I've ever reached was over 50k during BR with Elysium sword, I think I was already 101 by then
I'm actually a DN right now. I switched just to level factions but I'll be switching back to Maestro "soon" lol.
You are right about the blunt. I will be using an Avenger for both my main and dual. This however does present a slight problem. I will have to sacrifice either a small amount of P.Attack or a small amount of crit dmg as I will have to use a Tauti Ring for the blunt crit rate boost. Not a huge problem but still kinda annoying.
here is my lame faction farm pve set up, can increase STR with +15 by using Protein Drinks and +5 STR Mysterious Tali as well add 50 Ele patt with Mysterious Tali and use a Joon buf which adds even more elemental patt for the more serious XP stuff
make me a pve set that gives me more dps boost then my current armor I challenge you!!
you know my opinion of blunt & sos box aka not going to bother running another pc for that crap when I do good enough without ;)
At some point it would though wouldn't it; because of the Breastplate OE bonus?
Masterworks Vesper gives 13.61% P.Attack Bonus.
Bloody Hvy gives 5% P.Attack and +1 more STR.
I'm not really sure how the BP OE bonus works; it might take a +15 BP to = 8% P.Attack. Or, that might not even be enough lol. Maybe ask your new clanny (Pope has a +15 BP) to compare his BP to a +8 BP, see what the difference is.
At some point it would though wouldn't it; because of the Breastplate OE bonus?
Masterworks Vesper gives 13.61% P.Attack Bonus.
Bloody Hvy gives 5% P.Attack and +1 more STR.
I'm not really sure how the BP OE bonus works; it might take a +15 BP to = 8% P.Attack. Or, that might not even be enough lol. Maybe ask your new clanny (Pope has a +15 BP) to compare his BP to a +8 BP, see what the difference is.
doubt it even equals but that's besides the point as the price tag difference is just plain stupid to even consider it - you know the cost of my pve armor and let's not even speculate what it cost to make a +15 R99 BP ;)
Probably out of the question for most, but at your gear levels draeke, would you be able to pull off a light armor set and do more damage? Im not exactly aware of what you mighty lose by wearing light, but you would gain the missing p attack, and pick up other goodies like the skill reuse.
Do you have a full masterwork Vesper set or just BP?
And was the process? Just crafting until you got Masterpiece?
Made my set back in the HighFive days so ya crafting.. it's quite easy now but be aware you do need other items to increase your pdef to pull it off like diamond 4 / abundance 1
Probably out of the question for most, but at your gear levels draeke, would you be able to pull off a light armor set and do more damage? Im not exactly aware of what you mighty lose by wearing light, but you would gain the missing p attack, and pick up other goodies like the skill reuse.
Probably out of the question for most, but at your gear levels draeke, would you be able to pull off a light armor set and do more damage? Im not exactly aware of what you mighty lose by wearing light, but you would gain the missing p attack, and pick up other goodies like the skill reuse.
I have a MW Vesper Noble Set as well. On my Tyrr it gave me slightly less P.Attack than a +8 Bless r95 Light Set. Never tried it on my Tank. Also, it's important to remember that you can't even equip a Bloody Light Set on a Tank.
@ 102 Hvy Armor Mastery gives roughly 7k HP and 3k PDef to your base. Full buffed those numbers are going to be higher.
I suppose it could work if you are super stacked like Draecke.
If crafting a MW Vesper is doable I might try it just because Vesper is classic for L2 ^^
It would also improve my Kalios duo time, baby steps XD
Question here: I started looking for it, there's a MW Vesper BP? Or only the rest set can be MW?
It's reasonably easy to craft but I am a dwarf so there is that. Just to give you a rough idea of the cost, it took me between 20-30 attempts to get a rare craft. You will need to make the entire set MW to get the full bonus. Each piece gives an extra bonus (ex. gaiters give +1.01% P.Attack/P.Def). The upside to this is that you will have plenty of EAS, GEAS, and BEAS to make the set +6 from crushing all the standard Vesper pieces you craft :). I think the total cost to make a +6 Masterworks Vesper Noble Set 3x120 is between 4-6b. The biggest expenditure will be the Vesper Noble Stones. If you have tons of Oly tokens you are good but if you have to buy them it could get pricey.
Additionally, it seems Vesper Noble is the only set where you can get all the MW bonuses plus the actually set bonus. After you craft your complete set and varnish it the BP will be "bugged" until you also make the set Noble.
EDIT: Keep in mind there are no single OE piece bonuses for s80 and under. You can get the +6 Set Bonus which is nice but you will lose the other bonuses (assuming you are using an OE R set). This isn't a problem except for the crit rate bonus from gaiters. If you are stacked it won't matter as you should be at 500 regardless; just something to keep in mind.
If you guys had the option of removing an argument on your weapon which has 15% active reflect skill and changing it for 15% critical damage would it be worth it?
Bearing in mind it would stack with my giants critical damage but losing that augment would be daft imo.
or is it worth just trying to invest into a new pve weapon and getting the passive critical damage on that?
If you guys had the option of removing an argument on your weapon which has 15% active reflect skill and changing it for 15% critical damage would it be worth it?
Bearing in mind it would stack with my giants critical damage but losing that augment would be daft imo.
or is it worth just trying to invest into a new pve weapon and getting the passive critical damage on that?
depends on what your weapon is, I actually use a high oe bless apo with passive reflect and Hp/Haste HP set up for PVP and an actual PVE Cutter with passive crit damage augment Patt/Crit damage for PVE.. for PVP even a Tauti 1h axe is fine
depends on what your weapon is, I actually use a high oe bless apo with passive reflect and Hp/Haste HP set up for PVP and an actual PVE Cutter with passive crit damage augment Patt/Crit damage for PVE.. for PVP even a Tauti 1h axe is fine
I don't usually pvp that much but i always have access to a tauti 1h axe for that..but i use a +12 Pve cutter with 15% active reflect on it, Crit dmg/p.atk SA's...Dunno if it's really worth sinking another 32b+ on another wep then sinking more money into it for a chance of getting 15% crit dmg...seems like a waste of an aug to just remove it..but then again its sitting on my wep not doing anything pve wise..
I don't usually pvp that much but i always have access to a tauti 1h axe for that..but i use a +12 Pve cutter with 15% active reflect on it, Crit dmg/p.atk SA's...Dunno if it's really worth sinking another 32b+ on another wep then sinking more money into it for a chance of getting 15% crit dmg...seems like a waste of an aug to just remove it..but then again its sitting on my wep not doing anything pve wise..
You should get rid of that Aug and get +15% CD. I realize it is a semi rare aug (keep in mind it isn't even max reflect of 20%) but you are nerfing your damage by keeping it.
Even in a PvP clan XPing still comprises 90%+ of gameplay. I'm not sure if you are a pvper but you obviously want to do more PvE Dmg (why else would u be posting in this thread) so pull the trigger and get a PvE Aug :).
I have a MW Vesper Noble Set as well. On my Tyrr it gave me slightly less P.Attack than a +8 Bless r95 Light Set. Never tried it on my Tank. Also, it's important to remember that you can't even equip a Bloody Light Set on a Tank.
@ 102 Hvy Armor Mastery gives roughly 7k HP and 3k PDef to your base. Full buffed those numbers are going to be higher.
I suppose it could work if you are super stacked like Draecke.
Masterworks Vesper Noble total P.attack bonus is 13.61%.
Additionally, as was stated earlier in this thread, Vesper Noble (and maybe Dynasty Stage II) is the only current armor which can have BOTH the full set bonus + MW bonus from ALL pieces (BP is the issue on other sets).
i have abu lvl 1, diamond 4, insanity, rulers belt.
still getting hit for too much in HB and cant make the hp back with leech.
You didn't give enough info really. What's your level? Which mobs in hb? What weapon do you have?
lvl 102
Bloody Ama+12 (not setup for pve)
Phantasmal 1st area
tell me what else you need regarding info
7s or Anakim and B.Anthy will give more PDef. I don't know; it seems like it's your damage which might be hurting you more than PDef. Ridge mobs hit hard. I have a PvE Set on my Tyrr (plus all the other stuff I mentioned earlier) and I still get hit pretty hard at times.
The DD setup on a tank isn't easy. A good weapon is only one piece of the puzzle. Think about it; double crit augs + Lindy is 40% critical damage. Do you have any of these? Bless Valakas? Rulers Ring and/or Earth Wyrm? You can't just make a +6 Masterworks and assume that's it.
Having said all that, if you want to cut corners and hunt in HB/GC you could always go 4/5 or 5/5 Earth Resist. Just don't even look in the direction of GoS :).
what the above guys said: get more earth resist - my pve set up has me at 600+ on earth, fire & dark and 500+ wind, water & holy
other things to consider are
- always use Freya Art aka rose bufs
- fish stews STR
- turtle bufs - adds pdef & patt/crit rate
- 7s or Anakim for pdef + element attack boost
- a +7 Shiny or other type of Shirt
- venir talisman 14+
- STR+Patt head gear
btw on a PVE cutter there are basically only like 3 decent augments to get and a few semi ok ones:
- +15% p crit damage <- best
- +10% PVE damage
- +10% patt
- +70 Elemental Patt in combo with a decent 2nd value like STR or static patt boost (1256 or so is max)
this is assuming that you use another weapon with HP build for PVP aka for PVE the SA's should be p crit damage & patt
if you can afford it get on a buf stick +15% active p crit damage buf from Giants LS <- can be quite costly
get a blessed agathion for the soon 50 element patt/def boost as well +1 to all stats incl. CHA & LUC // or if you have that use the one from NC Store that adds 5% Patt on toggle
btw I will assume you have at least +15 STR dye set up and proper dual & sub class skills in combo with full on PVE AP
btw on a PVE cutter there are basically only like 3 decent augments to get and a few semi ok ones:
- +15% p crit damage <- best
- +10% PVE damage
- +10% patt
- +70 Elemental Patt in combo with a decent 2nd value like STR or static patt boost (1256 or so is max)
this is assuming that you use another weapon with HP build for PVP aka for PVE the SA's should be p crit damage & patt
Question about this actually. Would it be better to run with a PvE 1h Blunt as opposed to Cutter if you are attempting to solo with a boxes SoS buffer? I've seen some of the damage that you do on Valakas/Antharas and wondering if you use blunt. I don't think that damage is possible with a cutter, if it is just wow.
Question about this actually. Would it be better to run with a PvE 1h Blunt as opposed to Cutter if you are attempting to solo with a boxes SoS buffer? I've seen some of the damage that you do on Valakas/Antharas and wondering if you use blunt. I don't think that damage is possible with a cutter, if it is just wow.
its cutter, draecke hate blunts:)
Question about this actually. Would it be better to run with a PvE 1h Blunt as opposed to Cutter if you are attempting to solo with a boxes SoS buffer? I've seen some of the damage that you do on Valakas/Antharas and wondering if you use blunt. I don't think that damage is possible with a cutter, if it is just wow.
OFC blunt with SoS would do more damage. However, it's one thing to box an SoS buffer at a raid and it's entirely different to drag one along as you hunt. What a ******* headache. Even if you get it lvl 101+ it is still a 1 shot at any 99+ hunting area.
EDIT: I can confirm that TWO end game Titans switched their Retris to Slashers because they were just sick and tired of dealing with SoS. Yes SoS is nice and I suppose if you are DEAD SET on solo leveling a tank then a 1h Blunt with SoS Box would be nice but it's not for everyone and it is a pain in the backside.
what smokas & rodah said, I really do prefer cutter and hate having to box more chars then I need :)
ps, eventually the sos buf will get fixed - Tanks Improvement update is next on Korean dev list and might take it away or hopefully give us a lvl 103 version ^^
what smokas & rodah said, I really do prefer cutter and hate having to box more chars then I need :)
ps, eventually the sos buf will get fixed - Tanks Improvement update is next on Korean dev list and might take it away or hopefully give us a lvl 103 version ^^
I can understand the annoyance of it being a titan. With good macros it can make it better but boxing 1 toon vs 2 is really a world of difference.
I hope they do fix it but I don't see them giving a 103 tank the same version of SoS, it would be OP just as it is now. The current version of SoS for 101+ tanks is good, but I understandably still like the benefits of the unawakened version better.
Im not really a forum poster guy, but just wanted to say thanks to Draecke and Rodah and all on this thread for pve str build tanks. I was able to build mine well enough to do k95 group as solo damage, with Iss box de-buffing only killing boss in 10-15 mins once reached.
i am lvl 100 SK
my gear is:
+6 r99 hvy set atk 120ele
+16 blessed apoc avenger( Death & Focus) no augment yet
+15 str -6dex dyes
crit rate hat
octavis shirt
rudolph
Aria bracelet +3 con
Longing
venir 8
+6 tw pvp belt
dia opal emer lvl 3 ruby lvl 2
+3 orfen soul
+3 coc pvp para
+3 istina neckalce
+4 baium
oly ring 60day
I am switching to hell knight at 101 and before i do atellia gludio kama99duo instances. but i am wandering if i'm too squishy to do them or is that not a factor?.What gear do i need in priority that is cheapest to improve my damage and ability to do those instances fast in a party? any help is appreciated.
crazyjeff
you will not survive with atack config and that gear on AF at 101 (party)
why blunt? you use sos? take you long to kill Kalio if you using sos, i see imposble to acomplish kama duo, if that´s the case
If you not using sos blunt is crap. Cutter way better
on 101 to tank AF party you will need as HK or ST with your armor and diamond
at least 120k HP
and achieve around 17-18k pdef
So yes on atack config with that gear you are squishy as hell XD
I have a question :) My tank is HK and the gear I have atm is this:
+8 bless TW Heavy full ele
+5 Istina Shirt
+5 Monkey belt
Hair CON + M Def
+4 Anthy ear
+5 Bless Zaken
+5 Enh Octa Neck Warrior
+5 Ring of Creation
+4 QA Soul ring
Talis - Longing, Abu 1, Lilith, Venir 11
Cutter with Body/HP Soul and +2 CON augm
Jewels - Diamond 3, Pearl 3, Garnet 3, Ruby 3, Opal 3, Emerald 2
Dyes +15 CON
Turtle buff, Rudolph and Anakim agathions
Trying to make a full defensive build for my tank.
Question is if with this current gear I would be able to tank at AF and GC lower party mobs at level 100?
My future goals for now are to try get Anakim, +10 set and to bless my Anthy.
Irlumir I don't use SOS on kartia, no need with attack build, can easily kill in 10mins without. i have like idk 60k patk with br and triggers without SOS. I am leveling one SOS for kama and epics, its not high enough lvl yet, but i have future ambitions. that is why i have blunt.
I saw that kei video. I thought I can replicate it.
So for Af, switch APs from patk and hidden shield skill to full Hp, + pdef and switch dual class patk trigger to pdef trigger? so in new update it will be full warrior tree switch to knights tree every day for af? to go 50khp- 90khp and like 13kpdef. Like you said not enough gear/levels.I will continue to look through this thread and continually add gear piece by piece.
nick tho would have the 120k hp looks like he can tank a bit better in af but still low gear and squishy.
Im not really a forum poster guy, but just wanted to say thanks to Draecke and Rodah and all on this thread for pve str build tanks. I was able to build mine well enough to do k95 group as solo damage, with Iss box de-buffing only killing boss in 10-15 mins once reached.
i am lvl 100 SK
my gear is:
+6 r99 hvy set atk 120ele
+16 blessed apoc avenger( Death & Focus) no augment yet
+15 str -6dex dyes
crit rate hat
octavis shirt
rudolph
Aria bracelet +3 con
Longing
venir 8
+6 tw pvp belt
dia opal emer lvl 3 ruby lvl 2
+3 orfen soul
+3 coc pvp para
+3 istina neckalce
+4 baium
oly ring 60day
I am switching to hell knight at 101 and before i do atellia gludio kama99duo instances. but i am wandering if i'm too squishy to do them or is that not a factor?.What gear do i need in priority that is cheapest to improve my damage and ability to do those instances fast in a party? any help is appreciated.
Gratz on going for the Attack Build. As others have said, you will have a tough time in AF. You should focus on increasing either your raw PDef or your PvE Defense. You won't be able to switch up your AP easily after tomorrow so you are going to have to make a choice; if you want to focus on doing AF then switch to PDef/HP Set up. If you want to do do small Kama groups and solo/duo stick with attack set up.
I use a kind of mix AP setup, because I have both full HP and Rampage shield. My full PAtk on activation is around 30k w/o Rose. With Knight Harmo for AF, Gludio and tanking in general I have 90k HP and 12k PDef w/o Rose
I do K95 duo in 2 activations so around 12 min and have not much problems tanking Atelia, GC and even did Superion (ofc killing 1 by 1). Most of the time I play w/o Rose because I'm a cheap :P
Isn't it better to use for PvE 1h blunt cause of the crit dmg instead of 1h sword and its crit rate?
I bought one +12 Bloody Cutter today, but I am wondering if one day with Red Libra I switch it to Avenger if that could raise at least a little my PvE dmg?
I am not talking about SoS or something like that, just comparing crit dmg bonus from blunt and crit rate from the sword in general and all other equal stats.
It's kinda like having 999999 p.atk and 0 accuracy..you can have all the p,atk in the game but if you can't actually hit anything with it what's the point in having it?
You'll do more damage critting constantly with a sword than you would critting 1 in every 6 hits with a blunt. Consistency is the key.
A while back someone asked me to post pics comparing my Maestro to my Tank. Here are some pics in case anyone is interested. However; I should mention that I am clanless in these pics (so no clan skills) and my Tyrr is set up for Oly while the HK is set for XP/Open PvP. I still have my MW Vesper Noble Set but I'm using +10 Dark Hvy in these. I'm kinda burnt out on hard solo XP so I plan to just wear the Dark Set.
And yes, with this setup the HK pretty easily out DPS's the Tyrr.
Thank you captain obvious, maybe because HK got full atk setup and tyrr got full defense setup? ;)
I personally doubt any tank on ncwest can outdps myself and im far from top gear or atk setup.
Thank you captain obvious, maybe because HK got full atk setup and tyrr got full defense setup? ;)
I personally doubt any tank on ncwest can outdps myself and im far from top gear or atk setup.
Why should it be "obvious" smart guy? My Tyrr has almost 10k more P.Attack in defense mode. Someone unfamiliar with the two classes could easily infer that the Tyrr is still stronger based on this. Moron....
Oh and I am pretty certain that Dreacke can out DPS you. Infact; all other factors being equal, an HK still might out DPS a Maestro.
25% P.Attack + 40% Crit Dmg + 50% PvE Dmg > 30% P.Attack + 30% Crit Dmg. This doesn't even factor in ultimates or when CW procs for HK. Them game mechanics; amiright bro????
i dont like being called moron so any other discussion with this person is over. im just sad 104lv class got no clue about it.
OMG, I'm so so sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings snowflake. I just assumed that since you threw out the first insult (captain obvious comment) you could take it as well as dish it out.
Anyway, it's not like setting up a char for max PvE DPS is rocket science. We also know you drag around an SoS tank wherever you go as well. FYI an HK could do that to if they wanted. It really serves no purpose when you insert yourself into a discussion about a class you don't play and insinuate that you have some super-dooper secret to DPS on a Maestro.
sock it seems you got lost as this is a Tank topic and not spoiler/tyr ;)
feel free to post a screen of your dps on Valakas that's higher then mine if you really feel the need, see below link, but honestly nobody cares but you so don't hold your breath for any follow up.
well i guess asking about dmg is bait attempt. was thinking even draecke got honor to reply as i got no clue how big his dmg is. i think after all that years he knows i will never ever see dragon because i got honor.