Event says, server settings = "NO XP LOST UPON DEATH." Simple right? No small print, nothing else mentioned. So after going red by mistake because i have to hold ***king ctrl to atk a 2 way war tag I die at the end of a very fun pvp match and lose about 2 weeks worth of xp. Here in the states that's false advertising, it's illegal! Enough of this crap from this crappy company, they driving every one away. If his xp isn't returned I'm gone and they will be served papers. Wish me luck.
ps, if you don't live in the states and know our laws, don't leave stupid comments.
Completely agree with Degus. Exp shouldn't drop - game flaw or provide small print in case it`s exception and return the lost exp prior the rule adjustment/fix.
Your missing the point, I log into game and in blue it says "NO XP LOST UPON DEATH" Nothing else. If there are special terms that needs to be written. A disclaimer.
Maybe the same way as you get 100% exp returned when being resurrected with 0% return?
Dude... Please..
Thats the level of noobness around today. People buy their eay up and have absolutelly no clue how game works.
There is NO xp returned from 0% or 100% ress because the event is NO XP LOSS, not 100% ress with any ress.
You dont even care to read the ress message.
As you dont loose xp, with 100 or 0% ress you always get ressed with 0 xp recovered because you lost nothing!
This is normal and it's been like that since years. There is no false advertisement, since there is nothing "advertised", but rather a show of good faith from ncsoft.
But I want to see you go sue them PLEASE.
This is normal and it's been like that since years. There is no false advertisement, since there is nothing "advertised", but rather a show of good faith from ncsoft.
But I want to see you go sue them PLEASE.
When it says servers setting = no xp loss and you lose xp, how in your mind is that NOT false advertising? Enlighten me.
This guy got + 11 full pvp light set and he is stacked l2 store to death and he is from ica . This is his experience in game mechanics . Golemka lf your reply plz .
This guy got + 11 full pvp light set and he is stacked l2 store to death and he is from ica . This is his experience in game mechanics . Golemka lf your reply plz .
Wow, you're full of stupidity today, I am not in ica and game mechanics have nothing to do with right or wrong. It is against the law to tell people there is no xp loss and have someone lose xp no matter the way they died. There's my reply.
Degus, how much higher is the XP lost from dying red vs dying from mobs or while purple?
I haven't been able to test because of event, but I estimated it to be about 4 trillion XP, which is like 3 hours in superion, not two weeks. But I guess you lose tons more for going red?
Yes, to mobs or purple is just under 4 trillion. I was at .15% when I died and de-leveled to 99,78% With vit, freya scrolls, and maph scroll on last AF boss doing all normal dailies I get .01% a day.
I know how to read, do you??? No xp loss upon death, do you not under stand what those words combined mean? Are you people really that stupid? Give me 1 ounce of logic to change my mind and accept losing xp when I die during a no xp loss server setting?
I know how to read, do you??? No xp loss upon death, do you not under stand what those words combined mean? Are you people really that stupid? Give me 1 ounce of logic to change my mind and accept losing xp when I die during a no xp loss server setting?
I think you wanted to quote a guy above my post :)
Did you just join L2?
Since the 1st no xp loss event, like what.. 4 years ago, that was informed.
Its just like informing that adena is not 100% drop even with 2x.
How can someone lvl105 has not participate in the previous no xp loss event? Did you just buy this toon?
No XP Loss on death only applies characters with >=0 Karma Points. I think this has just been sort of an unspoken thing rather than explicitly stated.
I'll agree 100% with you sleestak that this information should be clearly mentioned to avoid losing exp unknowingly.
It NEEDS to be! Legally, do you realize how much time and money I lost over an "unspoken thing?" Not to mention I died to a war tag, why so much xp loss? I feel my xp needs to be returned and more details need to be added to the log in announcement, it's only right.
It NEEDS to be! Legally, do you realize how much time and money I lost over an "unspoken thing?" Not to mention I died to a war tag, why so much xp loss? I feel my xp needs to be returned and more details need to be added to the log in announcement, it's only right.
Can you send a ticket to the support team on the lost XP, i've asked them to keep a look out on this.
Did you just join L2?
Since the 1st no xp loss event, like what.. 4 years ago, that was informed.
Its just like informing that adena is not 100% drop even with 2x.
How can someone lvl105 has not participate in the previous no xp loss event? Did you just bought this toon?
Because no 1 cares when they lose a few hours of xp, i'm talking weeks here, and i've been here sense beta. And one should NOT have to come to a forum to read untold rules for an event.
It NEEDS to be! Legally, do you realize how much time and money I lost over an "unspoken thing?" Not to mention I died to a war tag, why so much xp loss? I feel my xp needs to be returned and more details need to be added to the log in announcement, it's only right.
Oh my.. that would be worse then me complaning about extra time and soul shots Im having to use to kill mobs since Lindvior when they cut bow crit damage in half wihtou any note on patchs.
Can you send a ticket to the support team on the lost XP, i've asked them to keep a look out on this.
Thanks
Oh nice please double my xp and recover half of the shots I used since Lindvior because you guys nerfed bow critical damage without saying anything on patch notes. Thx.
All smack talk aside hope you get your xp back. We were talking in vent when ya tapped and were just saying "oh noes"
Daikon. You are what a level 101 archer, you are a nothing, you are a one trick pony.
Archers dont need to be boosted anymore, so stop crying about the crit damage nerf.
Go back to afking in rift, and having it take you two hours to do it.
Should say " No xp loss upon death, unnnnnlesssss you are red" Which is doesnt.
Thanks man, even a brez wouldn't of been enough cuz i was still red. Or should say see forum for details at least and post it in forum. And something is wrong with the amount of xp ya lose at 105, it's insane
Im am serious btw. The amount of time spend and resources used to do same thing as before this nerf is just the double. Serious change that was not informed and reduced in half the archer class damage.
Is this legal? 4 years of acumulated losses, specialy time losses. 3 years to be acknowledge over repeated requests.
All smack talk aside hope you get your xp back. We were talking in vent when ya tapped and were just saying "oh noes"
Daikon. You are what a level 101 archer, you are a nothing, you are a one trick pony.
Archers dont need to be boosted anymore, so stop crying about the crit damage nerf.
Go back to afking in rift, and having it take you two hours to do it.
Should say " No xp loss upon death, unnnnnlesssss you are red" Which is doesnt.
Idk whats worse, me leaving my toon on auto macro to do a boring quest or you wasting you time looking for enemys and getting proud over killing someone on macro hahahha... Oh boy.
Thanks man, even a brez wouldn't of been enough cuz i was still red. Or should say see forum for details at least and post it in forum. And something is wrong with the amount of xp ya lose at 105, it's insane
When you die, the character is losing a static amount of xp based on the current level. So if you de-level, the xp decrease will look more dramatic since the total xp of previous level is always less.
Just a random hypothetical example on a much smaller scale.
You have one level that needs 1000 points to level up.
and the previous level only needed 500 points to level up.
If you died and lose 10% of 1000 points you lose an overall 100 points
But if you were say only 5/1000 points into that level, the remaining 95 penalty points would be removed against the previous level and that loss would turn into 405/500 (19% loss!)
Unfortunately yes, that IS legal. If you can find somewhere that the say nothing was changed and you can prove something did then you have a case. In my case they are saying something won't happen but it DID. And they didn't cover their azz with any fine print. There is a huge difference.
Oh well, I dont reside in the U.S anyway. But ****, thinking it over again that is a ******* huge piece of mother ******* terrible behavior by NCSoft.
Time to talk serious about it again. Expect another thread about 4 year old bow/crossbow critical damage ninjanerf.
Im am serious btw. The amount of time spend and resources used to do same thing as before this nerf is just the double. Serious change that was not informed and reduced in half the archer class damage.
Is this legal? 4 years of acumulated losses, specialy time losses. 3 years to be acknowledge over repeated requests.
I'm not really comfortable with providing compensation for class balance changes. But i'm not against us rewarding players for bringing to light problems and encouraging people to report bugs and flaws in the game. We don't currently have a 'bug bounty' program so to speak, but I think that is something i'd like to take a look at for next year also.
I'm not really comfortable with providing compensation for class balance changes. But i'm not against us rewarding players for bringing to light problems and encouraging people to report bugs and flaws in the game. We don't currently have a 'bug bounty' program so to speak, but I think that is something i'd to take a look at for next year also.
BINGO!!!!
I made you spell it out. Balance!!!
This is it, whatever reason devs did this 4 years ago and not included in patch note is long gone.
So many skills and passives changes, new items that reduce crit dmg, buffs and even new class makes this nerf completelly irrelevant today. Even if it is reversed no archer can ever have the dps of a titan or evis.
I begged to Juji and now to you, please ask devs if this nerf can be reversed since the game changed so much. Bringing it back will have zero impact on pvp. Nobody will switch from super skills to crit damage( not to mentions the new items that didnt exist by then that do today that reduce received crit dmg. Diamond, physical shirt, abundance, class passives)
Will only make pve/instances smoother to everyone and make game more enjoyable.
Critical damage modifier is a hidden status. Maybe not even existed before this nerf. Wasnt even ever dicussed before I find this out.
Was introduced wihtout notice.
Affects the weapon with slowest attack speed in game. And this is something to get clear about it:
Bows have the arrow attack delay. Between each hit theres a delay. You can see it if you turn on your HP bar abover your character head to be shown. If you use a bow youll see a decrescent progress bar that pops up between hits. A character holding a bow and having 1500 atack speed hits around half the times than having any other type of weapon at same atk speed. Meaning, half the hits and half the critical damage.
Compared to a titan that hits twice more at 1500 atk speed and has double the base critical damage, thats 4 times more dps.
Comparing to an Eviscerator that do double hits by using a dual weapon, thats 8 times the dps.
Game is in a completelly other reallity of when this was introduced. Time to be removed.
It is just like the old bow nerf befor GoD. That affected bow damage based on the target distance. This nerf could reduce dmg up to -30% if the target was at melee range(40). Fortunately it was removed years later.
Noodles I can't help but notice you are still ranting about this topic and you seem to be the only yul to complain about their damage. Can you give us a look of your build, weapon, set, jewels, arrows, bow, ect.... on the original post you made. Show some consideration and don't derail someone else's topic.
Announcement is fixed - Neutron saves the day! Tbh to anyone who is saying it`s old stuff - yes for those who go red - who didn`t went in chaotic state in the past this is new.
Thanks to iDegus for testing that one for me :D
Btw show some respect to people who goes red with trillion in gear:p
Announcement is fixed - Neutron saves the day! Tbh to anyone who is saying it`s old stuff - yes for those who go red - who didn`t went in chaotic state in the past this is new.
Thanks to iDegus for testing that one for me :D
Btw show some respect to people who goes red with trillion in gear:p
show some respect to those who killed to become red
Oh my.. that would be worse then me complaning about extra time and soul shots Im having to use to kill mobs since Lindvior when they cut bow crit damage in half wihtou any note on patchs.
Shut the hell up, you're an idiot. Stop commenting if you have no clue what you're talking about.
Oh well, I dont reside in the U.S anyway. But ****, thinking it over again that is a ******* huge piece of mother ******* terrible behavior by NCSoft.
Time to talk serious about it again. Expect another thread about 4 year old bow/crossbow critical damage ninjanerf.
archer normal attack crit hit its not bad just need p atk crit dmg setup ,mobs there have bow resist so imagine missing passive and active crit dmg auguments, pom and more stuffs i just give u example https://postimg.org/image/m77l9f3z7/
archer normal attack crit hit its not bad just need p atk crit dmg setup ,mobs there have bow resist so imagine missing passive and active crit dmg auguments, pom and more stuffs i just give u example https://postimg.org/image/m77l9f3z7/
Cmon man.. mind eye(10min reuse, in contrast with other classes main super buffs(5 min zerk/frenzy, even kess for nuker ones)+br+banana buff(50%)+ 27% from dual skill that is for your main?
Your titan would be half shooting those with same buffs even without mind eye.
Again, this nerf was introduced back in lindvior when archer instances got nerfed and transformed into self buffs instead. Double nerf.
Back then there was no Diamond, no abundance, no physical shirt, no -35% crit dmg tyr passive, no 10% resist buff from healers, no 10% resist from +8 robes, no Ruby, no soulshot bonus from oe, no Eviscerator, no giant life stones, no super mobs with ultra p.def and lethal immunity.
Also archer have bow delay for normal hits. Actual hits per time are half of any other weapon at same atk speed.
Remebering iss buffs already give 60% critical damage reduction.
Even if was raised back to 2x would never get close to Eviscerator/Titan.
How nice it is to do long instances if you have more then one archer as dd in instances? Have you ever done AF as archer? With other archers?
Ive done both critical and skill setup and both suck for pve. Skill suck even more. I once was even changing back and forth between sieges but was costing too much and I couldnt pvp during no siege days.
Whatever reason that nerf was ninja introduced by devs back 4 years ago does not exist anymore.
Neutron, can you ask why this modifier was lowered for bows? (I bet with you they wont even know why anymore after so many team changes. So also ask them to reevaluante to remove it please)
that posted screenshot is funny cause the main dd there does more damage then his titan at the time lolz.. should be different now unless he still didn't bother to put real gear on the char..
with regards your question directed to Neutronium he did already answer that so maybe stop being like a dog without his favorite bone ?
For the bow/cross weapon changes, we ran this question by the Development Team. As we had to confirm if it was a bug or intentionally changed. Of course the answer we received is that it was an intended change.
that posted screenshot is funny cause the main dd there does more damage then his titan at the time lolz.. should be different now unless he still didn't bother to put real gear on the char..
with regards your question directed to Neutronium he did already answer that so maybe stop being like a dog without his favorite bone ?
And you completelly ignore when I show how game is different from what it was 4 years ago.
And Juji already told that to me. But this is not all. Why was it done? Does it still apply? Those are the key points.
I dont freaking know why this fight against my points, that are very good ones towards removing this nerf, as it would olny make pve better for all party setups. No more 100% need of titans/evis. Smoother gring and instances for everyone. All would benefit.
And you completelly ignore when I show how game is different from what it was 4 years ago.
And Juji already told that to me. But this is not all. Why was it done? Does it still apply? Those are the key points.
I dont freaking know why this fight against my points, that are very good ones towards removing this nerf, as it would olny make pve better for all party setups. No more 100% need of titans/evis. Smoother gring and instances for everyone. All would benefit.
you got a plain and simple answer from NC Staff that the change was and still is intentionally with zero chance of changing and rightfully so as you choose to ignore of how even more unbalanced it would make PVP if they would ever do what you ask them to do here so lmao just let it go really.
nobody will agree with or join you on this particular crusade.
request less archer resist or even archer weak mobs instead of something that will mess up pvp / oly / coc to the point of utter ruin of this game.
you got a plain and simple answer from NC Staff that the change was and still is intentionally with zero chance of changing and rightfully so as you choose to ignore of how even more unbalanced it would make PVP if they would ever do what you ask them to do here so lmao just let it go really.
nobody will agree with or join you on this particular crusade.
request less archer resist or even archer weak mobs instead of something that will mess up pvp / oly / coc to the point of utter ruin of this game.
History has shown those stupid nerf beeing undone like the bow range nerf. Windstorm Song.
And as I already said like 100 times, it has been 4 years, and there was no Diamond, abundance, physical shirt, etc etc..
Iss: 60% resist
Abundance: 15%
Diamond: 5%
Tyr with heavy: 35% ( I dont even know how would that stack)
Tank: 35%
How would that screw pvp? Nobody woukd be shooting with bow throw delay when you can pop skill one after another with no delay between them.
Nobody would change AP and dual skill setup for critical dmg for pvp. With all that critical damage reduction.
0% skill resistance vs 80% critical damage resostance. And you say it would screw pvp. LOL
There iss no reason for this nerf, neither would it make archer pve gods like Eviscerators or titans.
Event says, server settings = "NO XP LOST UPON DEATH." Simple right? No small print, nothing else mentioned. So after going red by mistake because i have to hold ***king ctrl to atk a 2 way war tag I die at the end of a very fun pvp match and lose about 2 weeks worth of xp. Here in the states that's false advertising, it's illegal! Enough of this crap from this crappy company, they driving every one away. If his xp isn't returned I'm gone and they will be served papers. Wish me luck.
ps, if you don't live in the states and know our laws, don't leave stupid comments.
Degus
1 pk excluded and it dont need additional info as you want to say...
2 What lvl are you? What instances you doing? Mmm 2 weeks xp for 1 pk?! Hmmm?!