Today I logged in after maintenance to do K90 and do my dailies. As normal I go to party matching find a k90 room and wait, being that it was early in the day it didn't take long to assemble a decent group and we proceeded through the waves of mobs finally after about 15 -20 mins into the instance the last boss needs perhaps one- two more hits, at the last moment the healer who had been doing a great job keeping players alive and the boss de-buffed pr's and drops the group with the rest of us kinda wondering what was going on. Anyways to the point, my question is what can be done to avoid such abuse by other players that are just clearly trying to ruin the fun of the game for others? since now I am locked out of K90 for 24 hours and didn't get the xp from it, with that said that's about 50% of the xp I get for the day lost. I don't play the game very much because I have a pretty demanding job so CP's and bigger clans that group up for dailies and other raids/instances ect is kinda out of the question. Is there a way that a GM can look into the matter and reset the instance for the players that were affected by this abuse? I have screen shots for proof that no exp was received and of the guilty party member upon request. Thanks in advance for the replies
and I hope everyone had a safe and wonderful Holiday.
P.S. I Just want to add that I'm not usually one to complain against seemingly petty things but as I have said my time to play Lineage II; a game I have been enjoying since 2004 is now limited to just a few hours a week so losing 6+bil xp is a pretty big deal for casual players such as myself.
He left party. He barely got any xp if he got back in and finished the boss as he did low dmg and also could not pick up drops because he didnt do the most damage. So he lost same as you. Hes dumb.
Raid drop cannot be picked up for 5 min after it dies and instance gets deleted in 5 min.
Today I logged in after maintenance to do K90 and do my dailies. As normal I go to party matching find a k90 room and wait, being that it was early in the day it didn't take long to assemble a decent group and we proceeded through the waves of mobs finally after about 15 -20 mins into the instance the last boss needs perhaps one- two more hits, at the last moment the healer who had been doing a great job keeping players alive and the boss de-buffed pr's and drops the group with the rest of us kinda wondering what was going on. Anyways to the point, my question is what can be done to avoid such abuse by other players that are just clearly trying to ruin the fun of the game for others? since now I am locked out of K90 for 24 hours and didn't get the xp from it, with that said that's about 50% of the xp I get for the day lost. I don't play the game very much because I have a pretty demanding job so CP's and bigger clans that group up for dailies and other raids/instances ect is kinda out of the question. Is there a way that a GM can look into the matter and reset the instance for the players that were affected by this abuse? I have screen shots for proof that no exp was received and of the guilty party member upon request. Thanks in advance for the replies
and I hope everyone had a safe and wonderful Holiday.
P.S. I Just want to add that I'm not usually one to complain against seemingly petty things but as I have said my time to play Lineage II; a game I have been enjoying since 2004 is now limited to just a few hours a week so losing 6+bil xp is a pretty big deal for casual players such as myself.
do following:
pm to this healer and ask him why he did it...
And if he not answer or will give bad answer /block him and remember his name...
in future never go in one pt with this healer...
how to 100% avoid instance fails? No way to reach it... just use /block command to exclude fail players thats all... while playing this game I saw real (miracles) from specific players!
So /block and dont be mad, **** happens...
My experience playing with random players every now and then with my boxes is that at least 80% of the population of healers have "issues" they act high and mighty and like a spoiled brat and would more times than not would threaten the party that he will pr lmao. So with that said I suggest for the most part find a decent healer and make a constant party with that guy for your instances or if you can't find one just eliminate healers altogether find a decent iss and that should be enough.
Thanks for The Advice, i'll be taking it all into consideration and definitely changing the way I form groups where healers are concerned. I dont have time to deal with ones that try to KS last minute or just trying to ruin the fun that's left in the game for those of us who enjoy it. Hopefully someday there will be an added game mechanic that helps but until then i guess this is the only way..
My experience playing with random players every now and then with my boxes is that at least 80% of the population of healers have "issues" they act high and mighty and like a spoiled brat and would more times than not would threaten the party that he will pr lmao. So with that said I suggest for the most part find a decent healer and make a constant party with that guy for your instances or if you can't find one just eliminate healers altogether find a decent iss and that should be enough.
Look at it from the healers point of view... If an instance fails it's always the fault of the noob healer who can't play his class, nevermind the fact that some dumb tank with +3 no element R gear is doing K99, or the idiot dd's who enter, turn on a macro and switch screens to watch netflix for an hour using no special skills, or the ISS who is too dumb to debuff or use SS....I can go on and on. Healers have a right to be pissy when they end up with a group full of loser DD's who blame him for failing an instance.
In your particular case who knows what happened. My wife plays healer and she has PR'd groups who are too dumb to follow simple instructions and play their own class. Her time is just as important as everybody else's, and having to put up with DD's that can't play because they are too busy doing something else on a different screen isn't being 'high and mighty'. If you don't have time to play, get lost and come back when you do. It isn't the healers job to keep everything going while you are afk or too stupid to play your class.
Not directed at you Synju, just my rant for today :)
I understand healers have alot of pressure and have been in a few groups where the healer as good as they were, just were not able to keep the group alive not due to their own incompetence but more often due to the iss not buffing sonatas on time or summoner not casting marks or DD's not outputting enough damage ect. I completely agree with the decision for the healer to pr and drop group in those cases since it's doing both them and the group a favor.
Always better to find another group rather than lose the instance or tons of time and xp due to a failed group. I'm just now finding out the value of grouping with those I know rather than picking a random group each day, I guess something like this was bound to happen when you do that. Thanks again all for the feedback though, I appreciate it and learned a valuable lesson that hopefully others will see and not have to experience. :)
Look at it from the healers point of view... If an instance fails it's always the fault of the noob healer who can't play his class, nevermind the fact that some dumb tank with +3 no element R gear is doing K99, or the idiot dd's who enter, turn on a macro and switch screens to watch netflix for an hour using no special skills, or the ISS who is too dumb to debuff or use SS....I can go on and on. Healers have a right to be pissy when they end up with a group full of loser DD's who blame him for failing an instance.
In your particular case who knows what happened. My wife plays healer and she has PR'd groups who are too dumb to follow simple instructions and play their own class. Her time is just as important as everybody else's, and having to put up with DD's that can't play because they are too busy doing something else on a different screen isn't being 'high and mighty'. If you don't have time to play, get lost and come back when you do. It isn't the healers job to keep everything going while you are afk or too stupid to play your class.
Not directed at you Synju, just my rant for today :)
There's a fine line being what you called "pissy" and being a btch and more times than not healers in particular tend to be the latter like for instance majority of the random healers doesn't even do single cleanse nor they do single recharge and they would be instructing people how to play their class like da fcck son?And you're wrong nowadays if an instance failed without getting wiped it's the dd's fault not the healer's and Iss doesn't need to turn on his SS ever in pve the Iss' job is to debuff/buff/angel/br and not to do damage lmao unless ofc that iss is mainly build like an end game pve titan then he should turn it on lol
Look at it from the healers point of view... If an instance fails it's always the fault of the noob healer who can't play his class, nevermind the fact that some dumb tank with +3 no element R gear is doing K99, or the idiot dd's who enter, turn on a macro and switch screens to watch netflix for an hour using no special skills, or the ISS who is too dumb to debuff or use SS....I can go on and on. Healers have a right to be pissy when they end up with a group full of loser DD's who blame him for failing an instance.
In your particular case who knows what happened. My wife plays healer and she has PR'd groups who are too dumb to follow simple instructions and play their own class. Her time is just as important as everybody else's, and having to put up with DD's that can't play because they are too busy doing something else on a different screen isn't being 'high and mighty'. If you don't have time to play, get lost and come back when you do. It isn't the healers job to keep everything going while you are afk or too stupid to play your class.
Not directed at you Synju, just my rant for today :)
Why you not read? He said boss had low hp when pr... so its not ****** off bcs of bad group...
Its either
1 healer wanted to avenge to specific player in this group, so he did it...
2 healer joined kartia, but suddenly his friend/clan asked him please help us in kartia so he pr and broke party...
3 mental issues...
Actually I cant find more reasons lol...
Thats why I asked him to pm and ask for the reason to decide is that worth to deal with this healer in future or permanent block!
I blocked many useless players too many! and never invited them in my groups! Amount of instance fails decrease! But now with my box iss+heal+dd for k95 solo is better lol, bcs no fails at all...
Why you not read? He said boss had low hp when pr... so its not ****** off bcs of bad group...
Its either
1 healer wanted to avenge to specific player in this group, so he did it...
2 healer joined kartia, but suddenly his friend/clan asked him please help us in kartia so he pr and broke party...
3 mental issues...
Actually I cant find more reasons lol...
Thats why I asked him to pm and ask for the reason to decide is that worth to deal with this healer in future or permanent block!
I blocked many useless players too many! and never invited them in my groups! Amount of instance fails decrease! But now with my box iss+heal+dd for k95 solo is better lol, bcs no fails at all...
4) Healer was drinking and clicked PR accidentally, was ashamed and logged out.
5) GF/wife/BF came to room naked and... you know.
6) Cat jumped to keyboard, clicked PR and healer threw cat down, cat clicked power button.
Why you not read? He said boss had low hp when pr... so its not ****** off bcs of bad group...
I can read, and I specifically said: "In your particular case who knows what happened" and "Not directed at you Synju, just my rant for today"
Some healers do misclick and pr by accident, or maybe thought the instance had ended when it hadn't. It isn't always because they are getting back at someone, they do make mistakes sometimes also.
I guess typically if you see one complaining about the party most of the time you know they might pull something at the end, or if some other guy is being dumb and not paying attention. I drop people from parties for being afk and I don't blame healers who PR because some groups end up being bad, even if it affects the other members who were playing well. It's just the way it is imo, not everything always goes according to plan.
5) GF/wife/BF came to room naked and... you know. --- wish that one happened more often :)
I guess typically if you see one complaining about the party most of the time you know they might pull something at the end, or if some other guy is being dumb and not paying attention. I drop people from parties for being afk and I don't blame healers who PR because some groups end up being bad, even if it affects the other members who were playing well. It's just the way it is imo, not everything always goes according to plan.
Sorry but you and your GF is the exact people the OP is referring to, destroying instance parties just because a handful of party members dont know how to play? really?
If you're so high and mighty just do your own instances without inviting "the dumb DDs" :rolleyes:.
With your logic I should just PK the healer who doesnt give me mana, purge my debuffs or heal my wynn pets.
Thats 95% of random healers by the way.
Obviously this goes on and on, and the people who are to blame for such destructive thinking is people like YOU.
If you join a random party, you should expect the worst.
Know in advance you cant do a 60 minute kamaloka? dont JOIN, its that simple.
Since you got countdown on the instance, someone much have killed the boss and finished the run.
Are you sure that one in the party didn't leave right before healer used PR?
To me it look more like the healer was in cahoots with one of the DD's, and PR all of you out, while his friend stayed behind to finish the boss.
Wouldn't be the first time that happened.
Since you got countdown on the instance, someone much have killed the boss and finished the run.
Are you sure that one in the party didn't leave right before healer used PR?
To me it look more like the healer was in cahoots with one of the DD's, and PR all of you out, while his friend stayed behind to finish the boss.
Wouldn't be the first time that happened.
Useless, dd which is kicked out take large part of exp, even outside!
So its useless to kick out a dd...
4) Healer was drinking and clicked PR accidentally, was ashamed and logged out.
5) GF/wife/BF came to room naked and... you know.
6) Cat jumped to keyboard, clicked PR and healer threw cat down, cat clicked power button.
7 aliens jumped from door and forced him to pr and break party...
8 Putin s net team did it!
I talked about logical reasons... All you saying now I count as 3 I was meaning... its mental issues! I mean pr by mistake and dont say simple sorry is unforgivable!
Start instance and dont finish w/o dc/saying and ask for mercy (sorry enough) is unforgivable!
If I will saw such players = block for ever, as I did numerous time!
If a player dont have respect to other players so better dont go with him!
Sorry but you and your GF is the exact people the OP is referring to, destroying instance parties just because a handful of party members dont know how to play? really?
If you're so high and mighty just do your own instances without inviting "the dumb DDs" :rolleyes:.
With your logic I should just PK the healer who doesnt give me mana, purge my debuffs or heal my wynn pets.
Thats 95% of random healers by the way.
Obviously this goes on and on, and the people who are to blame for such destructive thinking is people like YOU.
If you join a random party, you should expect the worst.
Know in advance you cant do a 60 minute kamaloka? dont JOIN, its that simple.
Unfortunately unless you have already partied with everyone on the server and know who is good and who isn't, you are always going to have to take a chance on some people you don't know.
I know a lot of party leaders ask for equipment for instances and if they think they will be bad they just don't get invited. I don't think that is high and mighty, I think that is not wasting your time or your other party members time with someone who will be next to useless in your party.
PR'ing is kind of a ****** move I agree, it is reserved for the really bad groups where nobody reads chat or responds and nobody seems to be able to follow simple instructions if things are going badly. It is usually possible to save a bad party if people just listen, problem is a lot don't and are just wasting other peoples time. I'd rather fail K99 20 minutes in than fail it after an hour of suffering.
Mostly we just drop people from the party which these days is usually hilarious because they are the ones with the macro on and on another screen who don't even know they are out of party for half of an instance. If we are lucky they end up dead where they just lay there most of the time. I don't consider that high and might either. If you have something more important to do to where you are going to turn on a macro and be afk the whole instance, go do it and do your instances when you can pay attention and actually be useful in a party.
Again, in the OP's case, who knows what really happened. If the Wife were to ever PR a group, they would know well in advance in chat by less and less subtle messages. It would not be a surprise to anyone actually not afk and reading party chat.
Unfortunately unless you have already partied with everyone on the server and know who is good and who isn't, you are always going to have to take a chance on some people you don't know.
I know a lot of party leaders ask for equipment for instances and if they think they will be bad they just don't get invited. I don't think that is high and mighty, I think that is not wasting your time or your other party members time with someone who will be next to useless in your party.
PR'ing is kind of a ****** move I agree, it is reserved for the really bad groups where nobody reads chat or responds and nobody seems to be able to follow simple instructions if things are going badly. It is usually possible to save a bad party if people just listen, problem is a lot don't and are just wasting other peoples time. I'd rather fail K99 20 minutes in than fail it after an hour of suffering.
Mostly we just drop people from the party which these days is usually hilarious because they are the ones with the macro on and on another screen who don't even know they are out of party for half of an instance. If we are lucky they end up dead where they just lay there most of the time. I don't consider that high and might either. If you have something more important to do to where you are going to turn on a macro and be afk the whole instance, go do it and do your instances when you can pay attention and actually be useful in a party.
Again, in the OP's case, who knows what really happened. If the Wife were to ever PR a group, they would know well in advance in chat by less and less subtle messages. It would not be a surprise to anyone actually not afk and reading party chat.
I really find this game full of hypocrite people, like what you said many party makers would tend to ask and link for your weapon if you're a DD and one time this guy who asked me to link my weapon and is being choosy about it and he has only a +4 r99 weapon lmao like da fcck son? Also might I add that more hypocrisy is happening when healers cry about dds not doing their job when 90% of the population of healers doesn't do their job as well most of them would spam 2-3 keys progressive,balance and mass purge and that's it no recharge, no lumi or whatsoever and if the other players cries about his gameplay he will PR lmao. Bottomline stop being self-righteous if you're playing with randoms it means because you're a random yourself cause if not you should be doing this instances alone be thankful that there are still some DD's who are still doing it with randoms even if they have good gears cause when the day that every single DD does his own k99 or other instances alone, goodluck doing your own instances with your healer (heal those mobs to death XD)
had a healer in kama PT a while ago... I was on my iss, and friend was on his dual tyrr... healer was horrible.. did not purge, only used balance 'since progresive eats mp', did not recover mp, often was forgetting about lumi... when asked him to do above, he said 'I play like I like, not like you like, what you gonna do?'
ofc, we kicked him, I switched to heal, friend switched to iss, and we finished it with him watching.... had a room with me being called a scammer for couple of hours :D
on other hand, I did hit PR on occasions, recently mostly due to Wynns running with wrong weapon types (single hand blunt/sword, dual fists, dual blunts)...
as to main topic:
@Synju: some one had to make a last hit to the boss, instance will close only when pelline is killed, although I don't see point in doing that as he will only get exp for what he hit (in this scenario)
Most Evil thing can be actually done by single DD in 'kartia trio' or 'duo', if DD leaves close to the end, he will get all exp that he 'punched' and support is left with nothing.
People try varius things to screw each other... on baylor party agreed to take first baylor to 1/3, then second baylor to 1/3, then kill both on one maphir. when we got second baylor, healer hit PR, broke party, and started running to the instance with one DD of same clan. sadly for them, I was faster and made way more dmg, that was a good drop too.... of course, they called me scammer (got used to it) for not sharing :D
had a healer in kama PT a while ago... I was on my iss, and friend was on his dual tyrr... healer was horrible.. did not purge, only used balance 'since progresive eats mp', did not recover mp, often was forgetting about lumi... when asked him to do above, he said 'I play like I like, not like you like, what you gonna do?'
ofc, we kicked him, I switched to heal, friend switched to iss, and we finished it with him watching.... had a room with me being called a scammer for couple of hours :D
on other hand, I did hit PR on occasions, recently mostly due to Wynns running with wrong weapon types (single hand blunt/sword, dual fists, dual blunts)...
as to main topic:
@Synju: some one had to make a last hit to the boss, instance will close only when pelline is killed, although I don't see point in doing that as he will only get exp for what he hit (in this scenario)
Most Evil thing can be actually done by single DD in 'kartia trio' or 'duo', if DD leaves close to the end, he will get all exp that he 'punched' and support is left with nothing.
People try varius things to screw each other... on baylor party agreed to take first baylor to 1/3, then second baylor to 1/3, then kill both on one maphir. when we got second baylor, healer hit PR, broke party, and started running to the instance with one DD of same clan. sadly for them, I was faster and made way more dmg, that was a good drop too.... of course, they called me scammer (got used to it) for not sharing :D
Well you are a scammer then... Thing which you made is not acceptable...
I mean kartia, about baylor is unclear situation for me...
Lets say about kartia result... you with your friends kicked out a healer and scammed kartia from him... so you got it and healer lost... So its scam, and you are scammers...
Its actually doesnot matter how bad he was healing and what he said... Bcs its just a words and had no material result...
If I will knew such players who did it = block 4ever! I cant trust to you, maybe tomorrow you will say that my box heal was bad...
If you didnot like him than go out broke party, reset instance and enter again...
or finish instance with him anyway...
And block him after...
Maybe he is bad player and simple cant act better... and as I see here most of peoples who play are really bad lol...
anyway you had no right to act like animals and scam... try to not loose human appearances for a stupid game lol its ridiculous!
judging by my experience you dont do instances with ppl you dont know i rather sit in town do nothing then goin with randoms or ppl that i see for a first time...90% of the time it was bad like really bad the community of L2 is toxic and stay away
make your self 2-3 friends and to instances with them if there is no one in the pt you can rely on better dont join
Today I logged in after maintenance to do K90 and do my dailies. As normal I go to party matching find a k90 room and wait, being that it was early in the day it didn't take long to assemble a decent group and we proceeded through the waves of mobs finally after about 15 -20 mins into the instance the last boss needs perhaps one- two more hits, at the last moment the healer who had been doing a great job keeping players alive and the boss de-buffed pr's and drops the group with the rest of us kinda wondering what was going on. Anyways to the point, my question is what can be done to avoid such abuse by other players that are just clearly trying to ruin the fun of the game for others? since now I am locked out of K90 for 24 hours and didn't get the xp from it, with that said that's about 50% of the xp I get for the day lost. I don't play the game very much because I have a pretty demanding job so CP's and bigger clans that group up for dailies and other raids/instances ect is kinda out of the question. Is there a way that a GM can look into the matter and reset the instance for the players that were affected by this abuse? I have screen shots for proof that no exp was received and of the guilty party member upon request. Thanks in advance for the replies
and I hope everyone had a safe and wonderful Holiday.
P.S. I Just want to add that I'm not usually one to complain against seemingly petty things but as I have said my time to play Lineage II; a game I have been enjoying since 2004 is now limited to just a few hours a week so losing 6+bil xp is a pretty big deal for casual players such as myself.
well. looks like somebody gets in and finish boss.
otherwise instance should be closed and y'all be able to enter again.
Kartia closes very fast. Kartia goes cooldown once you kill the boss.
6b exp from K90? uhhh... Such a big loss. http://imgur.com/a/At7XE