"Pay or Quit" is long in this game, but up until last update it was mostly on PVP.
Now the mobs are getting so much stronger, you need very good gear to make instances.
Altar of Shillen requires bloody weapons and +10 bloody armors to make it efficiently.... Mobs in there did 100k + Damage to some people, thus dieing in 1 hit... Having mobs hit like top pvp players do forces you to get top PVE armor to withstand the damage...
NCSoft.... now you make us pvp with mobs?
So this game is no longer "Pay to Win".... its getting to the point of "Pay to Play".... Trully free? not!
Altar of Shilen was an example. I am talking about overall mob defence going 2 to 3 times up and in some cases even more.
Mixa I don't know you, however I believe you are top geared and maybe much higher than the 101 requirement. Not everyone walks arround with +10 armor... And thats precisely my point. Its easy to you. For those that don't have top gear ITS NOT. Its enforcement to pay to play now.
Having NPC Archers hit you for 100k is a joke.
So I need to get a blue armor in order to do instances? Come on!
Also another thing. You always in your posts sound sarcastic like this. Its easy to who? Top CP of FS, Nova, Max?
Its undeniable that all mobs in this game have become 2 to 3 times stronger (at least). You deny my point about being outgeared compared to previous update?
If I pay 5k$ it will become easy... I know.... "pay to play".... have mobs do damage same as top pvp players.....
Altar of Shilen was an example. I am talking about overall mob defence going 2 to 3 times up and in some cases even more.
Mixa I don't know you, however I believe you are top geared and maybe much higher than the 101 requirement. Not everyone walks arround with +10 armor... And thats precisely my point. Its easy to you. For those that don't have top gear ITS NOT. Its enforcement to pay to play now.
Having NPC Archers hit you for 100k is a joke.
So I need to get a blue armor in order to do instances? Come on!
Also another thing. You always in your posts sound sarcastic like this. Its easy to who? Top CP of FS, Nova, Max?
Its undeniable that all mobs in this game have become 2 to 3 times stronger (at least). You deny my point about being outgeared compared to previous update?
If I pay 5k$ it will become easy... I know.... "pay to play".... have mobs do damage same as top pvp players.....
To those uber geared CPs it must be walk in the park. We're doing that instance with 5 ppl for about 30 min, which is not any record breaking. Also I didn't spend 5k on my toon either, not even 500, more like 50 xD.
To be honest, the only place that I've noticed any difference is Tavern.AF is the same 10 min story, kama about the same too.
I understand you though, but that's what everyone gets. You either adapt or give up and quit. For example I've given up on pvp, it's broken and totally p2w, but there are randoms that still think they "pvp daily", while not even considering that most of the pvp they do is in the l2store xD
To those uber geared CPs it must be walk in the park. We're doing that instance with 5 ppl for about 30 min, which is not any record breaking. Also I didn't spend 5k on my toon either, not even 500, more like 50 xD.
To be honest, the only place that I've noticed any difference is Tavern.AF is the same 10 min story, kama about the same too.
I understand you though, but that's what everyone gets. You either adapt or give up and quit. For example I've given up on pvp, it's broken and totally p2w, but there are randoms that still think they "pvp daily", while not even considering that most of the pvp they do is in the l2store xD
Yea - It's like the final bosses got super fat with HP or something, lol.
Yea - It's like the final bosses got super fat with HP or something, lol.
K95 party boss feels slower than before... but granted I'm killing with solo with a DE ISS so it's never been super fast. That's mostly so I can afk and come back, switch to my Feoh and then kill it. My feoh still doesnt take it super well, too lazy to port around to kill him during a 15-20 minute fight
and thats why l2 is a **** game, player economy is worthless whole game turns around l2 store nowadays, need brooch need this need that need X if u dont get all the crap u simply fall behind more and more to point people dont even want u in PT anymore cus u dont have certain gear nice mmo, jup...
and thats why l2 is a **** game, player economy is worthless whole game turns around l2 store nowadays, need brooch need this need that need X if u dont get all the crap u simply fall behind more and more to point people dont even want u in PT anymore cus u dont have certain gear nice mmo, jup...
If I tell this to those who are paying for the game I am the idiot :D
If I tell this to those who are paying for the game I am the idiot :D
one day every1 wakes up, i blew tons on l2 store also but when i realised u need to constant invest on l2store in order to get certain items to not fall behind its beyond pathetic.
nerfing adena to the point its nearly impossible to farm adena to convert into ncstore **** at the rate ncsoft adds new stuff.
people who say one item doesnt matter, jup 1 item 5% bonus this and next item 5% bonus that and balabal at the end ur 50% behind on bonus crap while ebayer has 100% bonus on crap with all his items.
worst of all is they always manage to re introduce stuff by making a new 1 thats even better so they can take money again.
i rather pay sub then and have a player run economy then having a store that takes over the whole game.
so ye who ever thinks same as guy who started topic, ur better off going on private server then on ncwest or innova.
"Pay or Quit" is long in this game, but up until last update it was mostly on PVP.
Now the mobs are getting so much stronger, you need very good gear to make instances.
Altar of Shillen requires bloody weapons and +10 bloody armors to make it efficiently.... Mobs in there did 100k + Damage to some people, thus dieing in 1 hit... Having mobs hit like top pvp players do forces you to get top PVE armor to withstand the damage...
NCSoft.... now you make us pvp with mobs?
So this game is no longer "Pay to Win".... its getting to the point of "Pay to Play".... Trully free? not!
If you play game 2 hours per day, you need one year to level up your char from level 1 to 101... and you need more one year to level up your dual class to level 101...
It seems you have so much free time to farm to become top... So from level 101, you need to use your money, not your time anymore...
From most people's responses I see that you find quite normal the need of +10 bloody armor and +12 bloody weapons for PVE instances.
Maybe thats why none of you even bothered to comment the fact that you need pvp class gear to make pve... This was my initial post... NOT ONE commented about the need for pvp class gear to make instances...
Its normal to you that a mob does 100k dmg on 101 lvl people with +6 eternal armor, thus 1hit players. ah?
Its normal to you the need to be top geared for daily instances? ah? Need blue armors for.... dailies..... ok
From most people's responses I see that you find quite normal the need of +10 bloody armor and +12 bloody weapons for PVE instances.
Maybe thats why none of you even bothered to comment the fact that you need pvp class gear to make pve... This was my initial post... NOT ONE commented about the need for pvp class gear to make instances...
Its normal to you that a mob does 100k dmg on 101 lvl people with +6 eternal armor, thus 1hit players. ah?
Its normal to you the need to be top geared for daily instances? ah? Need blue armors for.... dailies..... ok
Question yourselves...
I know some people in Chronos, veterans really, who played Lineage2 for many many years and have spent $0 dollar at Nstore and yet they have Full Bloody gears and all. One has +16 bloody weapon, +10 Bloody set and the other has +12 Bloody weapon & +8 bloody set. They spent nothing and yet each month, they buy Destiny pack 3,600 Ncoins with their adena.
There are game mechanics to make Adena in Lineage2, details of which I am not gonna discuss here...I've noticed NC is very good at nerfing stuff.
Anyways, it all depends on how serious you are, how long you've been playing and how many hrs a day you can play. If you are a casual player who can afford 2-3 hrs a day and you've just started...then yeah...it's hard to get all the End-Game stuff needed for high level instances.
It's not just about how many hrs a day you play, it's also about how you've been directing your focus, how dedicated you are. A friend of mine gave up leveling when he was LvL 101. He had +8 eternal set and Tauti weapon at the time. He sold everything and got himself into buy and sell for 6 months. Now, after 6 months, I just learned that he has +8 bloody set, +12 Bloody weapon! An amazing feat! considering how slow item trade market is these days really... He is a Greek like you, too.
Very smart and humble guy...also fluent in English...helped him a lot I think...cuz he is just an amiable guy, very hard Not to like him.
Your getting one shotted is more due to your lvl than your gear. +6 R99 with full element will be fine to pve with.
Your wep doesn't need to be 12 but it helps. The SA's are really important, and the 2nd one is the worst part of f2p. Excluding the ncstore items that can't be obtained in game, those obviously are breaking l2 more than anything else. But not from pve perspective.
Also if your not an evis or titan, don't try to do the same pve as them. They are clearly to dialed up atm and can expect a nerf at some point. Get a healer and or buffer invited to your party and you'd be surprised what you can kill.
why someone rush for one stupid number? why someone rush for some shiny pixel? why someone want to own in game?
play video game for fun and enjoy it, dont spend if you dont want to, quit if you dont like game at all.
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Im not even geared, but I have a fun with game. I enjoy doing bosses and dailes etc. U know why? Cuz I jsut like L2 as a game.
There are two options: Play a game cuz u like this, or play for win and donate. But eyy, its just MMORPG. There are no winners or losers. There are just better geared and less geared. I dont get why ppls think about this game like about rat race. "**** I must be first" "I must be better than him" "And him" "**** donator" "I need achieve that and that and everything".
So as I said - Like this game or go tryhard with l2store.
Btw. u can be geared while not spending money at l2store. It's just matter of time. Obviously it can be long, but ofc POSSIBLE.
Have a nice day.
I know some people in Chronos, veterans really, who played Lineage2 for many many years and have spent $0 dollar at Nstore and yet they have Full Bloody gears and all. One has +16 bloody weapon, +10 Bloody set and the other has +12 Bloody weapon & +8 bloody set. They spent nothing and yet each month, they buy Destiny pack 3,600 Ncoins with their adena.
There are game mechanics to make Adena in Lineage2, details of which I am not gonna discuss here...I've noticed NC is very good at nerfing stuff.
Anyways, it all depends on how serious you are, how long you've been playing and how many hrs a day you can play. If you are a casual player who can afford 2-3 hrs a day and you've just started...then yeah...it's hard to get all the End-Game stuff needed for high level instances.
It's not just about how many hrs a day you play, it's also about how you've been directing your focus, how dedicated you are. A friend of mine gave up leveling when he was LvL 101. He had +8 eternal set and Tauti weapon at the time. He sold everything and got himself into buy and sell for 6 months. Now, after 6 months, I just learned that he has +8 bloody set, +12 Bloody weapon! An amazing feat! considering how slow item trade market is these days really... He is a Greek like you, too.
Very smart and humble guy...also fluent in English...helped him a lot I think...cuz he is just an amiable guy, very hard Not to like him.
farm raids sell drops every **** knows this, but not every **** get to farm raids when u have more tards camping all day long.
people saying play for fun i dunno how u guys play any game for "fun"
if i play any game i wanna win i wanna be the best. I cant play a fps game for fun and get shot all the time cus o hai im just for the **** of it here.
if u see ur constantly falling behind and when u finally managed to buy ur self piece of crap u wanted and few months later u figured out ur stuff just went from amazing to utterly **** but u cant farm the new stuff because u dont have CP so ur stuck behind again and u need farm tons of adena again in order to re do what u just did, jup sounds fun to me.
l2 was fun when dorfs crafted stuff and made a market that u could explore and weapons had a value that was reasonable.
The MOBs are purposely over-tuned to force people into better gear, which means more L2Store profits, as many people use the L2Store as a way to legaly buy Adena.
I don't believe anyone can farm that kind of adena via in-game means without significant funds to jump start themselves and play the market; and that's not really "farming" ;-) I think the Account Activity/Logs would tell a different story than most "legits" are peddling.
It's not just about the Armor and Weapon, either. You have to factor in Jewelry, Talismans, Brooch Jewels (and maybe even the Brooch itself), etc.
This issue isn't specific to that instance. It's a problem even in Giant's Cave Lower, where the Archer MOBs routinely one shot people who aren't in super expensive gear, while becoming solo XP MOBs for those who are... Phantasmal Ridge is another area where I see this happen. MOBs hitting for 30k+ on Light Armor and taking almost no damage, while the Seers next door are killing them in 2-3 hits... All of the newer 99+ places are tuned in this manner; even the solo areas.
Yes, you're going to have to gear up. Eventually the tuning will get so extreme that your characters will become, practically, unplayable without investing heavily to gear them up. This is only the beginning.
"Pay or Quit" is long in this game, but up until last update it was mostly on PVP.
Now the mobs are getting so much stronger, you need very good gear to make instances.
Altar of Shillen requires bloody weapons and +10 bloody armors to make it efficiently.... Mobs in there did 100k + Damage to some people, thus dieing in 1 hit... Having mobs hit like top pvp players do forces you to get top PVE armor to withstand the damage...
NCSoft.... now you make us pvp with mobs?
So this game is no longer "Pay to Win".... its getting to the point of "Pay to Play".... Trully free? not!
The game is considerably more expensive now than it was during the subscription periods.
Most people won't care what you think. They paid for what they have, so why should they want you to get it for free?
The game is considerably more expensive now than it was during the subscription periods.
Most people won't care what you think. They paid for what they have, so why should they want you to get it for free?
Well even those who paid are not done yet, they will have to pay for something next coming up or their current investment will vanish since they will be left behind...
Well even those who paid are not done yet, they will have to pay for something next coming up or their current investment will vanish since they will be left behind...
well technically in korea there is already better armor and guns same r99 but you can have both blody and dark attributes at same time so as example just +15more dmg to everything on weapons. and you know why because with +12dark gun and +8-10 dark set ppl still sometimes die to these new uber mobs so they made this higher tier item so ppl who loves pvp can farm mobs and farmers can start pvp no need 2 sets and guns.
so yes they make mobs stronger and instances harder. enchanted valley is solo zone and without bloody weapon or ++++normal one you cant kill mobs there solo, right now even 99 thing like tavern you cant finish it without bloody guns and if you say you can i wanna see how you finish it with full pt in r95-r99 items +0-6 with 99lvl pt.right now only kamaloka is instance which can be finished with low gear, for me even atelia is easyer to finish than tavern after update.