We intend for the Dragons to be a end-game pvp competitive activity, and you must prove your worth by crushing your foes so that they cannot enter the boss before you, please plan to adjust your tactics accordingly.
Move the dragon NPC's to their closest town (Goddard, Giran, Rune).
Remote the CC limits completely, and leave the instance open for 15-20 minutes after the first port in. No CC wide port in, every party leader needs to port in manually, any individual person needs to port in on their own.
Inside isn't an instance, dead people can lay there the whole time, no porting out. The standard "have a few minutes to log back in before kicked to town" deal if you DC.
Inside the whole area should be an open PvP zone just like an arena.
Not only does that remove the whole first to click enter wins issue... It means even a small force could potentially get a rez off on a healer and pop up at a clutch time to screw the raid over for an enemy.
That means a big clan that are used to mindlessly farming the dragons with 0 effort now have to keep a constant eye out in case one of the people dead on the ground pops up.
That would truly enable PvP for the dragons. All making the port in area a pvp zone does is invite overwhelming force (with or without perma reds) to ensure that only one clan manages to port in.
The actual killing of the raids in that case would be completely mindless and without any effort.
Back when Anthy was originally there, you had to be on your toes inside because the enemies all ported in with you until the port in locked. They could rez at any time and pop up to really screw with you. It was frustrating sure, but also exciting.
Making the port in PVP removes the risk from any PvP clan getting the boss stolen by a better organized clan (be it PvP or PvE).
Making it a 1 CC and fastest click wins, means PvE clans, or smaller PvP clans can dodge any kind of fight to get in.
Neither is suitable for an end game epic boss. It's meant to be tough, that means even the big PvP clans should be able to be messed with when doing these bosses. One party of dedicated people going in just to mess with them could potentially mean they fail the boss, especially if the big clan ports in with a bunch of boxed characters.
Move the dragon NPC's to their closest town (Goddard, Giran, Rune).
Remote the CC limits completely, and leave the instance open for 15-20 minutes after the first port in. No CC wide port in, every party leader needs to port in manually, any individual person needs to port in on their own.
Inside isn't an instance, dead people can lay there the whole time, no porting out. The standard "have a few minutes to log back in before kicked to town" deal if you DC.
Inside the whole area should be an open PvP zone just like an arena.
Not only does that remove the whole first to click enter wins issue... It means even a small force could potentially get a rez off on a healer and pop up at a clutch time to screw the raid over for an enemy.
That means a big clan that are used to mindlessly farming the dragons with 0 effort now have to keep a constant eye out in case one of the people dead on the ground pops up.
That would truly enable PvP for the dragons. All making the port in area a pvp zone does is invite overwhelming force (with or without perma reds) to ensure that only one clan manages to port in.
The actual killing of the raids in that case would be completely mindless and without any effort.
Back when Anthy was originally there, you had to be on your toes inside because the enemies all ported in with you until the port in locked. They could rez at any time and pop up to really screw with you. It was frustrating sure, but also exciting.
Making the port in PVP removes the risk from any PvP clan getting the boss stolen by a better organized clan (be it PvP or PvE).
Making it a 1 CC and fastest click wins, means PvE clans, or smaller PvP clans can dodge any kind of fight to get in.
Neither is suitable for an end game epic boss. It's meant to be tough, that means even the big PvP clans should be able to be messed with when doing these bosses. One party of dedicated people going in just to mess with them could potentially mean they fail the boss, especially if the big clan ports in with a bunch of boxed characters.
Everything what costs more than 1kkk should be easier to compete and lose. Each RB with a serious drop should be made just as kelbim: lvl 99+; pvp zone of 1100+ radius near entering device; fixed and known respawn time; 1CC to enter and huge rewards. Some quest to be done to enter and while killing.
I remember good old times when people always said to adapt when your clan made the rules, now the game is dictated by people with highest spending amount who demand the GM's to make game changes in their favor.
STOP MAKING DEMANDS FOR GAME CHANGES BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR ENTITLED TO MAKE THESE DEMANDS BECAUSE YOU THINK IT BUY YOU A NCSOFT COMPANY SHARE WHEN YOU SPEND A LOT OF $$$$.
If this is changed in favor demanding these changes it just proves again that ncwest doesn't care about anything but the big spender.
If $$$ spend means the ability to request changes to the game please point me to the correct location since i am sure i would be entitled to a couple weeks of developer time as well considering what i spend.
Play the game for what it is, do not try to change it in your favor when you can't win every freaking fight.
Granted that not even NCKorea has this, i second the comment:
Not even in Korea they are PvP zones. If they put this here, might as well call L2 NA a private server.
Seems like that Nova looking for new ways to enter in dragons,the reason is that they have done like 20% of them since they returned back to Chronos.
And when they re about to enter in dragons, all nova clan members re dead, so u loose on pvp by few Ms already,w8ing for alt toon CC leader to port you inside, so stop clowning ur selfs guys.
Let's say its fair to make dragons pvp zone for better balance in game, but they should make 101+ raids pvp zones too, so ur pve farmers wont have so easy job to do.
Anyway it is know that Nova cry for pve since years, the most dedicated pve clan that any server seen, asking for dragons to be pvp zone...u made my day thnx!
Masses from the players did not use these forums. So it will be more correct to be described as not 'masses', but 'people which are using official forums'.
And no, my vote is against Nova's propaganda and blackmailing NC Soft to do what they want cause they are having tough time to enter dragons after new update.
You want a PvP to enter dragons, did MS not gave you the PvP you are asking for?
Sure let's make this easier to a bot clans to control more ingame stuff and let them even rmt even more. lolnova...
If they wanted more pvp they wouldn't try to devour whole server into one clan and then cry for no pvp after all. Posts like this just reveal the true nature of what it is.
Carebears so defensive. A poll asking for people's opinions somehow becomes someone making demands of NCSoft. An open pvp zone would put slimey PVE clans like yours at a disadvantage for sure. You would no longer be able to cry to other clans to do your dirty work for you. Apex is the biggest hypocrit alliance on all the servers. When your raids were threatened by Africa, you cried to Nova to help you, now your precious dragons are threatened by Nova and you cry to MS to help you. When will you learn to fight your own battles? Never. You'll rely on your tears to wash away the shame of your hypocrisy, as always.
if dragons were truly meant for end-game, they would be pvp zone.
dragons favor players who don't play the game for its full content, and just port in without any fight.
doesn't sound too end-game to me.
but we all know this won't change :). only changes being made are to help these people farm end game without playing the game fully, like adena farmers who's only goal is to free farm to sell adena
Sure let's make this easier to a bot clans to control more ingame stuff and let them even rmt even more. lolnova...
If they wanted more pvp they wouldn't try to devour whole server into one clan and then cry for no pvp after all. Posts like this just reveal the true nature of what it is.
Neutron's own words were that Dragons should be a end-game pvp oriented feature. The Sunshine's of l2 do no pvp and contribute nothing to the game except a zerg that can make three or four command channels between their clan and ally and call in war tags of opposing clans to distract the real pvp clans.
Personally I can agree that dragons should be an end game pvp zone, but only if things with pvp were like pre-god where everyone had a chance to kill their war tags/enemies.
Now when the game is completely out of control pay to win game what you are calling pvp? Bigger wallets against smaller ones? Is this your pvp?
Inalori you make a pretty big assumption thinking i'm not actually in Nova.
But yeah i am but only because the rest of the cp decided on this choice.
I prefer building our own clan but right now none of us have enough time free to do it but eventually we will.
It humored me to see pvp was not always the end all be all and we getting outsmarted in a few ways, i don't really take the dragons so serious that it became the main driving force in every possible way include to voice it over every outlet channel like this forum and countless tickets trough support.
This is exactly what bothers me about this clan, that attitude when it can't be won with pvp.
Even with that said the remaining pvp is still laughable, throw war to whoever kills us just to stop ganks.
It's causing my eyes to bleed when then i see the same people doing it crying about the lack of pvp.
Maybe time to review dark castle rules and make it more fun to have a dark castle and do away with the war mechanic entirely and give us a big FFA where our competition can decide if and when they feel lucky enough to try a gank.
Neutron's own words were that Dragons should be a end-game pvp oriented feature. The Sunshine's of l2 do no pvp and contribute nothing to the game except a zerg that can make three or four command channels between their clan and ally and call in war tags of opposing clans to distract the real pvp clans.
Contributing nothing to the game means contributing nothing to a majority of players playing this game, right? Since the game is the players and is nothing without players.
So what you crybabies are trying to sate here could be true if so called pvpers were the majority of players in this game. While in fact those are maybe just 1/3 of your clan (just few parties). And few others in few other smaller clans. And hundreds of people just in Apex ally who play the same game and don't really care about what you call the "endgame". And hundreds of people in other clans either.
After all you do not pvp either. Most of you. All you do as a clan is recuit your enemies and cry about nothing to do. You having issues in a gameplay you prefer is just your own fault.
Everyone seeing your clan long enough know the real reason for forcing the posts like this and all the pms your forum warriors send to Neutron and other GMs.
Played actively 6 yrs ago and I remember there was a fight for epics all the time (Baium, Frint, etc). Now come back to this **** game and see pve clans ruling end game content is unreal.
But then again, buying anything in this game using RL money was frowned upon back then and the player being ridiculed. Now you see +10 sets and +12 as commonplace.
I just laugh at those ppl that abused years and years of bots and scripts and can't even do epics. Stop complaining how ppl play their game, not everyone had 10 years of botting or RMT like yourselves to be pvp geared.
BTW, they changed from 98 ppl requirement to 49 cuz you couldn't enter epics. Then, from multiple CCs to 1 cc only cuz you couldn't win the epics. Now, you want it to be pvp zone cuz you still can't win epics. Perhaps they should make that only MAX or NOVA can port inside huh?
Played actively 6 yrs ago and I remember there was a fight for epics all the time (Baium, Frint, etc). Now come back to this **** game and see pve clans ruling end game content is unreal.
But then again, buying anything in this game using RL money was frowned upon back then and the player being ridiculed. Now you see +10 sets and +12 as commonplace.
Epics aren't PvP content, they're PvE content. In an open PvP game, you're free to fight for it, when possible, but it's not PvP content. It's a PvE MOB that drops items that are useful in both PvP and PvE.
With PvE clans gearing up with a bias to PvE and focusing on primarily on PvE content, seeing them "ruling end game PvE content" is pretty expected. With the ability to legally eBay gear to catch up to end gamers, and the ease at which stacked toons can Power Level lowbies... It was pretty predictable that this would happen...
As to the second part of your post... Totally agree, but that's the sign of a dying game. People have given up their values and they accept anything because there isn't really an alternative anymore. "Beggars can't be choosers," and you need what those players are buying or botting up - to win...
Neutron's own words were that Dragons should be a end-game pvp oriented feature. The Sunshine's of l2 do no pvp and contribute nothing to the game except a zerg that can make three or four command channels between their clan and ally and call in war tags of opposing clans to distract the real pvp clans.
High level PvP clans contribute less than PvE clans to the server.
Maybe you're using another definition of contribute, but there are probably more players in this game disinterested in PvP at this point, than those who are interested in it.
Why do you think Sunshine has such a "zerg?"
It's not their fault, it's YOUR fault.
Deal with it, or go red. I'm sure they'll PvP the red toons, NP.
High level PvP clans contribute less than PvE clans to the server.
Maybe you're using another definition of contribute, but there are probably more players in this game disinterested in PvP at this point, than those who are interested in it.
Why do you think Sunshine has such a "zerg?"
It's not their fault, it's YOUR fault.
Deal with it, or go red. I'm sure they'll PvP the red toons, NP.
I just laugh at those ppl that abused years and years of bots and scripts and can't even do epics. Stop complaining how ppl play their game, not everyone had 10 years of botting or RMT like yourselves to be pvp geared.
BTW, they changed from 98 ppl requirement to 49 cuz you couldn't enter epics. Then, from multiple CCs to 1 cc only cuz you couldn't win the epics. Now, you want it to be pvp zone cuz you still can't win epics. Perhaps they should make that only MAX or NOVA can port inside huh?
Like Draecke said, Apex can't compete in pve damage and pvp damage gap is even bigger.
Pvp dmg - no doubt about that. But outdmg nova in pve is not a big deal as they have just ponypalz and titanhero for dmg,rest of this small clan is only yuls and supports. And if these 2 combined make 100m dmg per hit then we have 30 DD who make 10m each at same time. Make the maths:) Or why you think nova is far from getting half of dragons...most of them they killed in 3-8 am sunshine time when the sun is not up.
Of course dragons are pve content, for what pvp clans can fight for at their wish, else why would they drop PVE stones instead of dark stones. All that Nova care is for dragon claws and weapons, these few ppl have all the other items long time already. In Apex we have a huge list of ppl for items turns and even after about 200 dragons last three years not even myself done or started a blessed jewel- because we spread items for teamprize to a pool of more than 400 members and not just to around 49 as nova clan has. Our dragons helped over 4 x more ppl getting a PVE weapon than Nova clan even consisting of. And someone really said we do not contribute to this game ,lol! You have no idea how happy neutral players from other allies are,having some apex in their daily grp to get the dailies done faster. When look at nova hero records- dailies dont exist.
You have lost your pvp fun with the decision to ally ICA zerk to destroy your only more or less equal enemy africa, simply to stay competitive in pve and to not be at ANY risk to loose in pvp. Really not our fault that you are now standing around bored in Rune or Gainak all day every day calling out dedicated PVErs for fights.
Drop your 1 way war ,go exp and you will get fights- simple.
More I do not have to say as I already pointed out my arguments in the april preview thread.
Pvp dmg - no doubt about that. But outdmg nova in pve is not a big deal as they have just ponypalz and titanhero for dmg,rest of this small clan is only yuls and supports. And if these 2 combined make 100m dmg per hit then we have 30 DD who make 10m each at same time. Make the maths:) Or why you think nova is far from getting half of dragons...most of them they killed in 3-8 am sunshine time when the sun is not up.
Of course dragons are pve content, for what pvp clans can fight for at their wish, else why would they drop PVE stones instead of dark stones. All that Nova care is for dragon claws and weapons, these few ppl have all the other items long time already. In Apex we have a huge list of ppl for items turns and even after about 200 dragons last three years not even myself done or started a blessed jewel- because we spread items for teamprize to a pool of more than 400 members and not just to around 49 as nova clan has. Our dragons helped over 4 x more ppl getting a PVE weapon than Nova clan even consisting of. And someone really said we do not distribute to this game ,lol! You have no idea how happy neutral players from other allies are,having some apex in their daily grp to get the dailies done faster. When i look at nova hero records- dailies dont exist.
You have lost your pvp fun with the decision to ally ICA zerk to destroy your only more or less equal enemy africa, simply to stay competitive in pve and to not be at ANY risk to loose in pvp. Really not our fault that you are now standing around bored in Rune or Gainak all day every day calling out dedicated PVErs for fights.
Drop your 1 way war ,go exp and you will get fights- simple.
More I do not have to say as I already pointed out my arguments in the april preview thread.
sunshine has never out dpsed nova at dragons its only been bugged since last patch if 2 cc's enter the larger one will always get drops no matter the damage
good joke. Our weapon was not for sale even 1 second anywhere. You are spreading lies and if you dont understand Luki jokes ,it is not our problem.
Ask Exeqtor what I answered to him on his offer to buy our weapon during Dim siege long ago if you want:) My clan consists of more members of different countries than your clan has in total as members but nice try- Luki rocks.:)
sunshine has never out dpsed nova at dragons its only been bugged since last patch if 2 cc's enter the larger one will always get drops no matter the damage
haha, believe what you want if makes you feel better. how often we taken out your sos buffers with alt isses alone...you clueless about Sun`s and Apex powa! Best valakas was when 1 nova guy dropped 4 dark +10items as he felt godlike pking someone and died within secs, was nice apex loot day xD
good joke. Our weapon was not for sale even 1 second anywhere. You are spreading lies and if you dont understand Luki jokes ,it is not our problem.
Ask Exeqtor what I answered to him on his offer to buy our weapon during Dim siege long ago if you want:) My clan consists of more members of different countries than your clan has in total as members but nice try- Luki rocks.:)
haha, believe what you want if makes you feel better. how often we taken out your sos buffers with alt isses alone...you clueless about Sun`s and Apex powa! Best valakas was when 1 nova guy dropped 4 dark +10items as he felt godlike pking someone and died within secs, was nice apex loot day xD
GM said it was this way but you pay not attention you rather lock raid cause you afraid.
are you assuming our nationality? you think its impressive to have a eu clan? :thinking: after all your hatred towards white people over the years in EU killing them and each other festo got tired of it? but still same hate within sunshine
Sunshine is majority euros but we still probably have more members out of europe than Nova has live members in total, hihihihi. I love our brazilians ,same as ppl from states, ecuador,japan,singapoore,israel,india, china,new zealand or anywhere else that we representing <3 ..
I even recruited and plvled an awesome Inuit coz even in Igloos sunshine is known hahha.
Sunshine is majority euros but we still probably have more members out of europe than Nova has live members in total, hihihihi. I love our brazilians ,same as ppl from states, ecuador,japan,singapoore,israel, china,new zealand or anywhere else that we representing <3 ..
we got people from their too you are making a statement based on numbers? no you dont look at it? you have 4x our numbers but same locations and you dodged your racist comments by your clan again of course
we got people from their too you are making a statement based on numbers? no you dont look at it? you have 4x our numbers but same locations and you dodged your racist comments by your clan again of course
Asking NcSoft make dragons pvp area is like asking siege fields to turn into peace zones.
Its totaly Ridiculous even to discuss about it or making vote posts like the players (or at least the majority of them) should decide what the character of the game will be.
Im pretty sure if u make a vote post if "we want all free +16 weapons" the majority will say yes ...seeing the danger here ? its not matter of democracy its matter of brain !
If u cant compete pve clans or u finding a strong competition for dragons should make u happy cause its the only way to keep this game still alive after u all decided to merge your stong pvp clans.
Stop Crying about pve clans who destroyed the game cause it was your own option to megre. And u know why ? because your leaders wanted to focus on dragon weapons +rmt and here comes the pve clans who still dominate on dragons and your reaction is to keep crying about them in forums cause you know you re good customers consuming thousands of $ to ncsoft and u spam email by crying like the good customer bying good services as he likes in real life.
You should understand that eliminate the enemies or the competition will make a huge GAME OVER.
since you insist on turning dragons on pvp siegefield id like to see siegefields to turn into normal hunting grounds and pray open anytime of the week.
Also dim castles should give bloody amaranthine stones.
if u want to make this game works vise versa that it works now we all have "good" ideas like this i mentioned before ......and lets troll all day long
ya i know it hurts you that all these "loosers" "randoms" and "passive" people (which many of them joined to nova and boost their population as it was a dead clan before) can beat your plans and not having many people go to your clans to ebuy items that your leaders teams used to sell to all members
Its a huge bussiness there running and you keep talking about the fair or not ....... so stop hiding and supporting
stupid ideas.
you think all other server population gives a sit if u spent so many $$ and u cant have fun.
Asking NcSoft make dragons pvp area is like asking siege fields to turn into peace zones.
Its totaly Ridiculous even to discuss about it or making vote posts like the players (or at least the majority of them) should decide what the character of the game will be.
Im pretty sure if u make a vote post if "we want all free +16 weapons" the majority will say yes ...seeing the danger here ? its not matter of democracy its matter of brain !
If u cant compete pve clans or u finding a strong competition for dragons should make u happy cause its the only way to keep this game still alive after u all decided to merge your stong pvp clans.
Stop Crying about pve clans who destroyed the game cause it was your own option to megre. And u know why ? because your leaders wanted to focus on dragon weapons +rmt and here comes the pve clans who still dominate on dragons and your reaction is to keep crying about them in forums cause you know you re good customers consuming thousands of $ to ncsoft and u spam email by crying like the good customer bying good services as he likes in real life.
You should understand that eliminate the enemies or the competition will make a huge GAME OVER.
since you insist on turning dragons on pvp siegefield id like to see siegefields to turn into normal hunting grounds and pray open anytime of the week.
Also dim castles should give bloody amaranthine stones.
if u want to make this game works vise versa that it works now we all have "good" ideas like this i mentioned before ......and lets troll all day long
ya i know it hurts you that all these "loosers" "randoms" and "passive" people (which many of them joined to nova and boost their population as it was a dead clan before) can beat your plans and not having many people go to your clans to ebuy items that your leaders teams used to sell to all members
Its a huge bussiness there running and you keep talking about the fair or not ....... so stop hiding and supporting
stupid ideas.
you think all other server population gives a sit if u spent so many $$ and u cant have fun.
you are so wrong pvp is what has always driven this game you dont have pvp in this game what are you playing for ? the raids are not raids like WoW or ff14 WHERE TATICS ARE involved... ever you use titans and SoS and hit boss simple ez pve when pvp becomes who clicks into a raid faster then you have hit rock bottom
There's been discussions about this for ages. What do the masses think?
for ages?? i see just Panda and Draecke (Nova propaganda and forum warriors) cry almost every day at forum and focus this topic. Im sure you guys cry and spam GM pms too. thats what i call hypocrit! you cant control dragons vs Apex so you try now this way :D
pvp Zone at Dragons to get bloody weapon Stone drop? no! you want just to control everything ingame and Focus your rmt.
hypocrit talk and lies every day about Apex but what about Nova? after years of botting/scripts/rmt farmed everything ingame and you are still online because Juji let you! enjoy every day online and stop cry just because you cant beat Apex at Dragons :D :D
even for Nova style, its a shame how much you cry :D
for ages?? i see just Panda and Draecke (Nova propaganda and forum warriors) cry almost every day at forum and focus this topic. Im sure you guys cry and spam GM pms too. thats what i call hypocrit! you cant control dragons vs Apex so you try now this way :D
pvp Zone at Dragons to get bloody weapon Stone drop? no! you want just to control everything ingame and Focus your rmt.
hypocrit talk and lies every day about Apex but what about Nova? after years of botting/scripts/rmt farmed everything ingame and you are still online because Juji let you! enjoy every day online and stop cry just because you cant beat Apex at Dragons :D :D
even for Nova style, its a shame how much you cry :D
i dont know if your time frame is messed up but this is the first day that its poped up SO ALREADY your input is under and over with maybe you should play another game ya? or you cant sell your dragon drops on that game?
playing bot card so pathetic we play by hands just cause you are not good does not mean we cant be lol. we get gm checked every time we are xping moved to arenas underground its pretty funny you say we cry on forums but you are crying on tickets to gm keep wasting your time.
I've been playing the game since 2005 in official NA servers. Started in Lionna in 2005 after trying the game in a few private servers and now after all those years it is Chronos...OK....C'est la vie...
well...let's think backwards a little bit....12 years of gaming Lineage II and the dragons were NEVER NEVER NEVER open PvP zones. You can go red if you like, as we were doing back in the days when I was in Invincible Alliance - MagistriOperum Clan fighting with the TheDarkness Ally at first and then things as well as politics moved on changing the socio-cultural relationships. However, under no circumstance or server balance change were the dragons changed into open PvP zones. Same applied for Baium and Frintezza. Especially for Baium and other dragons where we used to have an 11 hour spawn window and we were PvP'ing like crazy on the stairs @ TOI 13 for endless hours. This was the point that people who were noble were porting @ TOI 13, also tanks with UD up porting first etc etc etc and the rest coming all the way up on foot with Shadow Dance. Strategy, many ppl involved, true contribution.
Lineage II was always a game of risk and input of great personal effort as well as emotions. This means that when people go red, they must be responsible for their actions. Maybe Nova and Co. complained heavily to the GM and development teams because they were going red quite often, loosing +10 and +12 dark armor parts, blessed jewels etc. But it is within the game's identity and behavior control to loose items when red I guess because these people chose to go red and they should protect themselves better or have their clan protect them while red. In the very end these people (Nova and Co.) never actually tried hard to obtain items or levels, because they either used 3rd party software to level up stackig up boosts XP'ing 24/7 or they bought their highly valued and precious items through RMT or NCoins. So most if not all their equipment is a product of vicious anti-company law acts against the EULA being an unethical backstab on normal - legit players' and corporate bu7tcheeks.
Now we have a strong ally, being Apex, full PvE. We also see the rest of server players being either neutrals or bandwagoners, lazy as crazy and without any "true" objective regarding the game and their toon in the long term. The other way around we see the wild bunch of million dollar babes called Nova and Co., who P2W through NCoins, heavy RMT and use of 3rd party software. Nova and Co. even keep their own websites to sell items and adena, establish a strong network of buying and selling around the servers in full NCWest server transfer/coverage as well as item/adena providing stable capacity. What we observe now is an attempt from the upper management of game LineageII to ease the gameplay of their heavy consumers, professional RMT'ers as well as 3rd party software users, by enabling them to further compete through a stronger and more persistent manner through their programms towards entering and winning the dragons. As long as these are open PvP zones, then the scripters and cheaters will always have a huge bonus in regards to the deployment of their automated killing strategy. I think that GMs and development team know very well how these programs work so I do not think I should spend more lines to explain about how they automatically change target, move to protect, auto - port very fast etc etc, faster than the blink of the human eye.
The huge turn in the game has approached and now the company is asking its most invaluable clients for an "opinion". It is clearly obvious that all the rumours about GMs and other devs playing the game and being members/part of Nova and Co. are now confirmed because we see that the rich and cheating minority feels bad about dragons. However, this minority is the richest, the strongest and the most PvP - deadly because they use their 3rd party software. I really cannot understand why those people still play and not just watch any Lineage II well edited video, it should be the same like watching their screens while in game as they don't even press a single button except the one that enables their programms to work in background. So now we see that we have a wild bunch of disappointed rich cheaters who cannot get a drop from the dragons (Lindvior/Antharas/Valakas HAHA LOOSERS CRY MORE) and go ask from mommy NCsoft to do something with those very bad legit sunshines.
HAHAHA i cry, i am sure everybody in NCWest should be laughing with theirselves and crying the same time when they realize to what stalemate they got in.
Because NCWest always wanted to satisfy their lovely Nova's , being clanm8's as well as heavy clients and good consumers, they changed the port number from 95+ to 49. Still their poor juicy-membered alliance was not able to port in and farm the dragons because Sunshine had more members and could make larger Command Channel. Next to that, Nova and Co. brought with them all the looser clans of the game, speaking first of all for ICA, Argonaftes and a few others who came just to "see the event" and for the XP they would take (OMG OMG). Even then we were forming a larger CC and we were winning the drops, becoming Loot Leaders. WHAT YOU GONNA DO NEXT TO FIGHT SUNSHINE YOU FREAKY CHEATERS??? Or is it suddenly that the minority of players (which is the majority of cheaters and game manipulators) is not satisfied anymore and wants to put hands on jewels that they can send for lots of Euros and Dollars because there is a big economic crisis around the world and they need the money to feed their families and personal / individual greed and/or arrogance?
You want open and free PvP ? You got Kelbim. But I do not see you guarding Kelbim or being there to farm it, you do NOT even COME AROUND when we go farm it because it is not the 40 billion drop right ? You do not need to be clever to understand that something is wrong here...Even when I was in the old days in the top clan and had all castles, farmed all dragons, we never asked the GM team to make it open free PvP around dragons. Because there were 200 people from one side and 200 people from the other to make full PvP. Nowadays, when Nova was 50 ppl in clan and we in sunshine could make 2 CC's of 200 ppl each, you heavily complained to GM and he made anakim lilith dragons for 49. Guess what. You got butchered again. And now because you go like lambs to the slaughter to loose port by the PVE SUPERSTARS SUNSHINES OMG OMG OMG OMG !!! you ask from the GM and Development team to change in to open PvP zones.
What i want to tell you is GO RED or GO KELBIM. This is the place for you. Learn to play with normal rules sometime, aint that bad.
There is NO SAY in ANY patch notes from Korea that dragons become open PvP zones. If you NCWesternians want to make it open PvP so you can make Nova's happy and boost a little more the RMT websites' cashflow which belong to Nova (fact which you know of and deliberately keep silent about), then go on with it. Then all the people will spit you on the face including me after 12 years of play. THE END HAS BEGUN NC WEST. And you do nothing to save the game. You just see opportunities to harvest large amounts of money from the specific category of cheaters, leaving the majority of legit manual players outside of your "newborn underdevelopment plans".
Shame on you NCWest representatives for even crossing your mind that Antharas, Valakas and Lindvior should be end game PvP zones. Wait for it to happen in Korea first, then bring it here. Otherwise don't proceed to pointless acts in order to satisfy poor Draecke, Karrigan, Flashed / PuffyD and their monthly monetary income deriving from the side - black market they sustain against LineageII policies. Or the policies do not apply for Nova's long ago ?
playing bot card so pathetic we play by hands just cause you are not good does not mean we cant be lol. We get gm checked every time we are xping moved to arenas underground its pretty funny you say we cry on forums but you are crying on tickets to gm keep wasting your time.
are you assuming our nationality? you think its impressive to have a eu clan? :thinking: after all your hatred towards white people over the years in EU killing them and each other festo got tired of it? but still same hate within sunshine
No, It won't help at all
Every command channel is able to bring PvE clan and use mass ress+clan cele since all people know the exact time of spawn.
I liked old epics with random respawn(11 days +0-12h if I'm not wrong), also no needed to make command channel for enter. Even 1 party was able to enter :)
Command channel is bugged now, thats why korea changed entry rules.. NC, maybe better fix looting rights instead of some changes near NPC?
Luki was throwing his line out and you still have the bait dangling from your gums.
Should End Game Epics be open PVP Zones?
No, It won't help at all
Every command channel is able to bring PvE clan and use mass ress+clan cele since all people know the exact time of spawn.
I liked old epics with random respawn(11 days +0-12h if I'm not wrong), also no needed to make command channel for enter. Even 1 party was able to enter :)
Command channel is bugged now, thats why korea changed entry rules.. NC, maybe better fix looting rights instead of some changes near NPC?
the problem is never about brining people or set spawns the problem is its become who can get the right server time and their click to line up and enter first you are playing a clicker of a video game not its self.
the problem is never about brining people or set spawns the problem is its become who can get the right server time and their click to line up and enter first you are playing a clicker of a video game not its self.
rofl, with the l2store and a decade of 3rd party soft used, this is a pretty much a clicker, nobody plays the game as it is.
Besides that, they will never make a pvp zone around the hearts.
Believe me, my clan /ally does! I asked Gm already years ago to check with the Dev´s if they can finallly increase clansize. Even offered them to pay with Nccoins for that ( and that says alot since i jjust gathered total of 527 hero coin since GoD:P).
Every day I must tell three players that Sunshine is full and that already for many years (ofc no boxes allowed and we must rotate ppl weekly as they go vacation with 250 clanmembers+-...:). Imagine how many players quit the game because they can not find a nice family clan with a very active and steady clanleader and how much money ncsoft loosing about this. Other servers dont know us- we are low profile,focused on own ally only and we stopped going Dim.siege as soon noticed those clan mass assists cheats...
Believe me, my clan /ally does! I asked Gm already years ago to check with the Dev´s if they can finallly increase clansize. Even offered them to pay with Nccoins for that ( and that says alot since i jjust gathered total of 527 hero coin since GoD:P).
Every day I must tell three players that Sunshine is full and that already for many years (ofc no boxes allowed and we must rotate ppl weekly as they go vacation with 250 clanmembers+-...:). Imagine how many players quit the game because they can not find a nice family clan with a very active and steady clanleader and how much money ncsoft loosing about this. Other servers dont know us- we are low profile,focused on own ally only and we stopped going Dim.siege as soon noticed those clan mass assists cheats...
I dunno, it sounds a lot like me though.My best score on Hero Coins ever was ~450.From which around 150 from my own cash, the rest was from the randoms that were thirsty for adena xD
Anyway, at the current state of the game, PVP is nothing, has no meaning and only delusional, heavy invested in the game randoms care for.
We completely ceased any PVP related stuff, including normal Sieges, CoC, Oly, Open PVP, since there is no point in something you win just buy investing 5k/promo and call it a day and how "good" you're and how the others who don't care to spend their kidneys on a game are "weak".This is not interesting anymore.
Keep up whatever you've created there, it at least has some meaning.Good luck
rofl, with the l2store and a decade of 3rd party soft used, this is a pretty much a clicker, nobody plays the game as it is.
Besides that, they will never make a pvp zone around the hearts.
the problem is never about brining people or set spawns the problem is its become who can get the right server time and their click to line up and enter first you are playing a clicker of a video game not its self.
I think they should change entry rules. People need to enter by themselves, without command channel. And remove looting rights. CC/party with best damage will receive loot
I think they should change entry rules. People need to enter by themselves, without command channel. And remove looting rights. CC/party with best damage will receive loot
then sunshine will never get loot why would they do that :D
I would say change it into "Siege Zone" since in "PvP Zones" players on the same clan but different parties can still hit each other and debuff each others which is counterproductive in a large scale PvP.
Asides from changing the settings in zones near the dragon NPCs I suggest moving out the instance NPCs like AoS and Kamaloka 99, also the Trasken NPC should be moved out as well and be changed into a PvP Zone or Siege Zone to promote more competition within the servers.
I think they should change entry rules. People need to enter by themselves, without command channel. And remove looting rights. CC/party with best damage will receive loot
Carebear approach you're simply gonna put that Valakas slasher lvl 2 into one of your boxes in your PvE clan :D Best thing is have a battle Royal among all the clans who would wanna take the dragons last man standing wins the Dragons :D
Carebear approach you're simply gonna put that Valakas slasher lvl 2 into one of your boxes in your PvE clan :D
don't you know how to win by dmg if your enemies have more dps...? :/