good morning, free days ago we were comparing the damage of my friend apo retributer + 17 Aug 15 critical damage to my bloody slasher 2 sa+ 12 no Aug and apparently he make more damage (almost 40%) than mine, no tauti ring no sos , Ltf confirmation
I think there are mechanical issues between the weapon types that can affect this (e.g. Do Retributers give higher Base P.Crit Damage than Slashers?).
Aside from that, the information you've given is woefully inadequate to come to any decent conclusion, unless we're just supposed to assume all other gear/setup is completely equalized.
good morning, free days ago we were comparing the damage of my friend apo retributer + 17 Aug 15 critical damage to my bloody slasher 2 sa+ 12 no Aug and apparently he make more damage (almost 40%) than mine, no tauti ring no sos , Ltf confirmation
You should compare, element attribute, element damages (300/400/500), your p.critical, your p.atack, if you have the same buffs, if you hit the same mob, if you have the same race, if you have the same jewels and brooch items ... There is also soulshots damages augmentation due to ++ item.
There is many things that modify your damages.
But basicly one retributer will do less normal damages, but more p.critical damages, and will have less attack speed than a slasher.
Damages are greatly modified if this titan/sumonner with retributer have sos buff.
In PvE a retributer with sos will do a lot more damages than a slasher with/without sos. In PvP a slasher will do more damages than a retributer, compared to basic p.atack/attack speed on slasher.
If you never have SoS with you, then go on a slasher weapon. If you go everywhere with a SoS, then go to retributer.
good morning, free days ago we were comparing the damage of my friend apo retributer + 17 Aug 15 critical damage to my bloody slasher 2 sa+ 12 no Aug and apparently he make more damage (almost 40%) than mine, no tauti ring no sos , Ltf confirmation
my mistake i should explain more
we switch weapons so both weapons was on the seam char, there was no activation of skills ( no ultimates, but yes normal selfbuff), this were tried on a titan 101 max attack speed reached so no difference on speed whatsoever critical rate limit reached so no difference in the amount of criticals no sos present nothing out of usual ruby 3 no tauti ring and we tried on k99 , Baylor, the apo just has 15% critical damage Aug and my slasher no Aug, I mean yeah + 17 more shot damage, fine 15% critical damage ofc mean something, my question is this is a apo with 100 less weapond attack, and mine is a pve, that got 40% less damage
my mistake i should explain more
we switch weapons so both weapons was on the seam char, there was no activation of skills ( no ultimates, but yes normal selfbuff), this were tried on a titan 101 max attack speed reached so no difference on speed whatsoever critical rate limit reached so no difference in the amount of criticals no sos present nothing out of usual ruby 3 no tauti ring and we tried on k99 , Baylor, the apo just has 15% critical damage Aug and my slasher no Aug, I mean yeah + 17 more shot damage, fine 15% critical damage ofc mean something, my question is this is a apo with 100 less weapond attack, and mine is a pve, that got 40% less damage
Post screenshots please, damage during criticals, items, brooch, tats, buffs, everything. Something is wrong.
But basicly one retributer will do less normal damages, but more p.critical damages, and will have less attack speed than a slasher.
you are right on everything else but this.
critical damage and attack speed it's the same for both weapons it only will be different depending on what SAs and augment you put on them.
i think longinus is just missing something, like drum cc effect, lightning force stage, dual class trigger or some debuff on the target.
A 40% damage difference is significant. Do I undertstand correctly that both characters are experiencing this disparity in damage...and we're not attributing it to the soulshot damage...because a +20 retrib should be in the teens in shot damage, while a +12 bloody anything is only going to be in the single digits?
we tried in the one with the apo ( because like I say the apo have the augment +15% critical damage, the slasher have no augment, both have the seam SA critical damage+ p attack, there was not change in buff during the test, we did 10 to 15 seconds with each weapons to take a media on damage (obvious all criticals ) we tried in Ariac and Sirra, in k99 for example media on slaher critical 22-26k media retri 60 k to 66k
I know now is the critical damage thing im just whyning that a weapons maked in a event like whatever, op the damage of my sweat and tears forged bloody, still costing a lot adena to make ,and like puff I dream I finally got a Mercedes Benz and I pay for that and my friend with the Hyundai got better deal than me and I can't sell my Mercedes no more, no one wants it
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please nc make for a weekend the event for switching weapons class and take me out of this mess , is your fault btw
blunts have more crit dmg range compared to swords and crit dmg effects your dmg the most so does not matter
I thought GM confirmed that all damage was indeed 2x now, except for the people complaining about Bow 1.5x nerf. I have always had a sneaking suspicion about this since Lindvior IIRC. I don't think its as high as the OP is talking though. I understand that critical damage may be higher but this would be almost 4x for blunt weapons.
we tried in the one with the apo ( because like I say the apo have the augment +15% critical damage, the slasher have no augment, both have the seam SA critical damage+ p attack, there was not change in buff during the test, we did 10 to 15 seconds with each weapons to take a media on damage (obvious all criticals ) we tried in Ariac and Sirra, in k99 for example media on slaher critical 22-26k media retri 60 k to 66k
I know now is the critical damage thing im just whyning that a weapons maked in a event like whatever, op the damage of my sweat and tears forged bloody, still costing a lot adena to make ,and like puff I dream I finally got a Mercedes Benz and I pay for that and my friend with the Hyundai got better deal than me and I can't sell my Mercedes no more, no one wants it
ps.
please nc make for a weekend the event for switching weapons class and take me out of this mess , is your fault btw
SS damage and Augment are not going to make that big of a difference.
Say normal hit on slasher is 12k damage, making base critical damage = 24k. Right in the middle of your figures.
That would mean that blunt normal damage would be 31k and critical damage 62k if damage is 2x for both weapons.
I'm 100% sure that you are missing something here. Like a CC triggered and you wern't paying attention. There is no way that you are making 3x damage on a +17 weapon over a +12 weapon, Its just not possible without something "Special" happening.
+17 R85 has more soul shot damage but +12 Bloody weapon = 15% more PvE damage, so bloody weapon wins.
It looks like you are trying to sell your OE R85 or R95 weapons cuz they are not selling...I know it's a long shot but someday, we might be able to upgrade R85 and R95 weapons all the way to R99 for a price. You just gotta hold onto them bit longer...that's all.
lol, the randoms are having competition to lie to each other...
Sell your slasher and buy same retri and test it. Your tears will be flowing in the floor, shortly thereafter.
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blunts have more crit dmg range compared to swords and crit dmg effects your dmg the most so does not matter
dafuq, are you playing the same game as I do? In L2 since several years now, all but 2 types of wpns got base crit dmg modifier of 2x. Only bows and 2h daggers are 1.5x.
Yeah, I'd need to see screenshot and a video before I believe that a +17 apo outdamages a +12 bloody slasher by 40%, all else being equal. In fact, I got rid of a +20 apo slasher, because it didn't kill significantly faster than my +12 Bloody.