Neutron when Game will be balanced? How can that happen that Renovatio on Chronos controll 9 Castles with alt clans?
Why should i spend any Nc coins now?
Where is the motivation?
Explain me please.
For nova trolls, im not crying im asking why nova recruit full server with Dark Gear and in ally with everyone ICA.
Renovatio milking Game like a big COW, they getting taxes from Castles, and getting richer and richer.
In there CP have now everyone own Castle is this fair? Neutron :cool:
Your motivation is to use the L2Store to its full potential.Castles are of no concern to you.There are plenty of other things to do besides sieges, enjoy!
even if sparse would ban all corrupted cheaters, there is no turn back. I see people around me departing away and I'm also quite closer to end this..... I cant call it game.
even if sparse would ban all corrupted cheaters, there is no turn back. I see people around me departing away and I'm also quite closer to end this..... I cant call it game.
Waiting for AnotherSorc to come tell us that everything is great in L2, and the game will be around for a long long time.
Sooooo lets see here.. Crying kids about sieges on Chronos? 9 Alt clans huh,
ProPVE owns Innadrill, last I seen their not an "alt clan" they work with Nova, just like ICA which infact owns Giran,
RR (RescueRangers) owns Oren, they are not an alt clan either, so I guess your referring to the fact that Apex, MS, FS, DIE, OJS, and neutral cant work together to get stuff done.
If you don't enjoy it, transfer to Freya, I'm sure you can start doing posts on MAX just like you do about Nova here.
XXXX cries everyday on Chronos, then on sieges, and on dim sieges, and now on the forums.
ProPVE is not an Alt clan, we are A clan. Call us pets if you want, does not matter. The fact that we can get along with ICA and Nova and get stuff done while MS, FS, APEX, and DIE can't put the egos aside and try to figure out a way to get stuff done is not our fault.
You can cry that there are toons in NOVA and our unofficial alliance that are 50k all you want, it makes you look hypocritical. The fact that there are strong toons on both sides outweighs that argument.
The only difference is that we work together, you guys do not.
If you not like to owners of one castle kill ppl in other CS zone you need to suggest the they if someone is from clan who own castle and go to other zone and kill anyone he get karma in same moment, This is only way to big castle owners clans not participate in war in other castles.
I dont believe the this will ever will be accept so till that moment all what you have as option is to not go in CS or accept how is now and try get nice tactic and number of ppl to win in some cs zone.
My fix opinion. Make cs cc ally from 10+ pts. split in 2 or more 5+ pts parts. in same moment attack 2 or more castles to open all doors + kill crystals if that owners are activ clans (not 1 alt clan leader chars ). make this in all castle instead aden or other castle defend from more of one pts. hit -bsoe - hit - bsoe all time from start till last 10 min. Then prepare one or more clan leaders pts with def setup (leader + 2 heal + 2 tank...) and try scam castle in last min. pick castles where is long run from town to if you take they not have time to re-run from town. (innadril, shtu, goddard..)
Now... not every one pt clan need castle, castle is for clans with good number of activity in cs time...
Make a strong 2nd side out of MS and FS + some other clans and take aden and other castles from nova. Fight a zerg with a zerg simple problem requires simple solution there's no point crying about it here in forums :P Goodluck!
Make a strong 2nd side out of MS and FS + some other clans and take aden and other castles from nova. Fight a zerg with a zerg simple problem requires simple solution there's no point crying about it here in forums :P Goodluck!
I don't think its easy to fight dragon weapons stacked with 6x6 jewels. This my friend is Aoe 1 shot.
Thats the result after years of using bot/scripts/rmt. They are now lvl 105 full stacked toons, some with lvl 6 jewels and dragon weapons. Try now to fight such a grp…….. In the end they got from Juji just 3 days ban. Holding hands and corrupted GM = dead servers.
What you expect from Neutron? Now its to late to ban them. All this is Jujis fail. He had the chance to clean the servers.
Propve, ICA never did dragons without Nova. Cant fight MS, FS, OSJ or Apex without Nova. = pet clans. Not worth to talk about.
XXXX cries everyday on Chronos, then on sieges, and on dim sieges, and now on the forums.
ProPVE is not an Alt clan, we are A clan. Call us pets if you want, does not matter. The fact that we can get along with ICA and Nova and get stuff done while MS, FS, APEX, and DIE can't put the egos aside and try to figure out a way to get stuff done is not our fault.
You can cry that there are toons in NOVA and our unofficial alliance that are 50k all you want, it makes you look hypocritical. The fact that there are strong toons on both sides outweighs that argument.
The only difference is that we work together, you guys do not.
Its true Nova is too strong at the moment. Its the lvls, the gear (Dragon Weapons) and especially the huge amount of members. Thats fact.
Besides that. ICA and ProPVE dont "work" together with Nova. They simply cry for help when just 1 top grp of FS come for their castle and they cant handle them on their own. Admit it or not, thats fact too.
XXXX cries everyday on Chronos, then on sieges, and on dim sieges, and now on the forums.
ProPVE is not an Alt clan, we are A clan. Call us pets if you want, does not matter. The fact that we can get along with ICA and Nova and get stuff done while MS, FS, APEX, and DIE can't put the egos aside and try to figure out a way to get stuff done is not our fault.
You can cry that there are toons in NOVA and our unofficial alliance that are 50k all you want, it makes you look hypocritical. The fact that there are strong toons on both sides outweighs that argument.
The only difference is that we work together, you guys do not.
They nova cry baby is here. You are the first crying rivers when FS or MS attacking your Castle and u cant defend it.
Elldorith at Teamspeak:
"We need help, please help us we are all down !!!!""
"Nova we need you, they took our Castle, come fast"
"OMG NO NOVA COME":D:D:D
Are you enemy with Nova? Probably yes... so how ffs you think the they will let you to take any castle in map and get even a bit more power vs them... is simple logic... why the someone who have ppl and power defend all castle in same time let to they enemy have bonus...
The Option is, only when 30-35 people are online in Game/siege can cast a Castle.
Under 30 people u cant.
Noone have 29 boxes in same time online.
:D
There's only 30-35 people on the server during the siege other than nova? and they can't take 1 castle from what you call "scrubs"??? sounds like you need to find new friends and work together
There's only 30-35 people on the server during the siege other than nova? and they can't take 1 castle from what you call "scrubs"??? sounds like you need to find new friends and work together
work together? nova have 3 Dragon weapons , 12+ armor and most 16+ weapons. if all work together, they still not strong enough. stop jokes.
is not about gear...... anyway...server is changing... pvp setups are changing so.. ppl need to lvl new classes, change builds etc... feohs are too op....
i think gms need to look about RMT items that nova have. BLACK MARKET kill this game... and ncsoft do nothing.
MS is more geard than nova? Why MS havent Aden Castle than?
Does MS have Dragon weapons? Does MS have 40 ppl in clan that are overpowered?
i will tell you.
MS have 1 full PT with good gear (Zureil pt) thats it. thats 7 ppl LOL
Deatheternal is another thing, they dropped ally.
Furioussteel have maybe 1 PT too. They dont have much lvl 105.
Stop stop trolling if you know nothing.
Should Server goes to 20 clans ally? sunshine, FS,MS,DIE,RR etc?
Stop joking i cant stop laugh :D
ROFL.....
MS needs to learn to have friends
DIE didn't drop ally...they are 1 CP that dropped from MS because they rather PVE
FS...have no idea what they are doing on the server
that's 2 decent size clans +1 CP vs 1 clan. If they can stop with their ego's and work together, then they might be able to get one castle
ROFL.....
MS needs to learn to have friends
DIE didn't drop ally...they are 1 CP that dropped from MS because they rather PVE
FS...have no idea what they are doing on the server
that's 2 decent size clans +1 CP vs 1 clan. If they can stop with their ego's and work together, then they might be able to get one castle
Not sure how to really reply to this. When NOVA came back to Chronos how would you describe what you and most of the rest of Enmity/BOSS did? If my memory serves me you (we; I was in BOSS at the time) never even tried to fight KSK or NOVA.
This played out with a few other CPs as well. I'm just not really sure how you have any right to judge FS/MS when you didn't even try to fight the top dogs....
Honestly, IDC one way or the other. Play how you want; I'm just not a fan of blatant hypocrisy.
@Draecke
Before I joined MS I actually thought there was a high degree of parity between NOVA and MS. Unfortunately that's simply not the case. Taken as a whole, NOVA probably has 50% more/better gear and levels.
Additionally, mid/high tier players keep gravitating to NOVA and, this is NOT because NOVA has some type of amazing leadership structure, it's for....... other reasons :)
EDIT: This is Rhodah BTW; didn't realize I was on my Evis account ><
XXXX cries everyday on Chronos, then on sieges, and on dim sieges, and now on the forums.
ProPVE is not an Alt clan, we are A clan. Call us pets if you want, does not matter. The fact that we can get along with ICA and Nova and get stuff done while MS, FS, APEX, and DIE can't put the egos aside and try to figure out a way to get stuff done is not our fault.
You can cry that there are toons in NOVA and our unofficial alliance that are 50k all you want, it makes you look hypocritical. The fact that there are strong toons on both sides outweighs that argument.
The only difference is that we work together, you guys do not.
"MS, FS, APEX, and DIE can't put the egos aside and try to figure out a way to get stuff done is not our fault."
So that mean either work with Nova or get nothing, that also mean Competition is a bad thing for you? we are terrible because we don't want to be someone PETS for a castle? yeah right this is L2
And nova and all the "friends" clan owns 90% of the server EndGame toons.
and u know what? just peppinio can 1 Shot any of those toons with his dragon weapon :) oh wait their party has 2 Dragon wep! thxs for helping us to quit everyday!
Not sure how to really reply to this. When NOVA came back to Chronos how would you describe what you and most of the rest of Enmity/BOSS did? If my memory serves me you (we; I was in BOSS at the time) never even tried to fight KSK or NOVA.
This played out with a few other CPs as well. I'm just not really sure how you have any right to judge FS/MS when you didn't even try to fight the top dogs....
Honestly, IDC one way or the other. Play how you want; I'm just not a fan of blatant hypocrisy.
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don't know what you're talking about....being in enmity or boss or any other clan that i was a part of, we tried to ally and make friends with other clans. sometimes it went well, other times it didn't. So, i don't see where's the hypocrisy
Before I joined MS I actually thought there was a high degree of parity between NOVA and MS. Unfortunately that's simply not the case. Taken as a whole, NOVA probably has 50% more/better gear and levels.
as a whole maybe but unlike MS where all their lvl 6 jewels and top gear are concentrated in Zureil & Redraven CPs we only have 1 such CP so not quite as efficient
in overall I think MS & Nova have approx the same amount of lvl 6 jewels but yeah see my above comment on how that works out
or for the drama llama's here MS & Nova have the same amount of crazy whale level spenders just so that Nova has more average spenders then MS on top of that.. hence we say merge / join forces with FS & OJS to balance that out but hey w/e it's free game to do as you see fit :D
"MS, FS, APEX, and DIE can't put the egos aside and try to figure out a way to get stuff done is not our fault."
So that mean either work with Nova or get nothing, that also mean Competition is a bad thing for you? we are terrible because we don't want to be someone PETS for a castle? yeah right this is L2
And nova and all the "friends" clan owns 90% of the server EndGame toons.
and u know what? just peppinio can 1 Shot any of those toons with his dragon weapon :) oh wait their party has 2 Dragon wep! thxs for helping us to quit everyday!
There is nothing wrong with coordinating with eachother. a clan doesn't have to be a "pet" and not get anything. It just shows how big of an ego you have when you only have sight of your own clan rather than the bigger picture.
don't know what you're talking about....being in enmity or boss or any other clan that i was a part of, we tried to ally and make friends with other clans. sometimes it went well, other times it didn't. So, i don't see where's the hypocrisy
You are criticizing MS/FS/OJS for not working together to fight NOVA. BOSS/Enmity did make friends and work with other clans BUT they (we) never formed up to fight the top clan.
Seems to be pretty obvious to me; why are you confused?
as a whole maybe but unlike MS where all their lvl 6 jewels and top gear are concentrated in Zureil & Redraven CPs we only have 1 such CP so not quite as efficient
in overall I think MS & Nova have approx the same amount of lvl 6 jewels but yeah see my above comment on how that works out
or for the drama llama's here MS & Nova have the same amount of crazy whale level spenders just so that Nova has more average spenders then MS on top of that.. hence we say merge / join forces with FS & OJS to balance that out but hey w/e it's free game to do as you see fit :D
While it's hard to categorize spending "tiers" I tend to think there are more than just two (whales & average).
Additionally; it seems as though you are underestimating the effect of your sides two dragon weapons in conjunction with the boost to nukers. For better or worse this is a HUGE advantage.
While it's hard to categorize spending "tiers" I tend to think there are more than just two (whales & average).
Additionally; it seems as though you are underestimating the effect of your sides two dragon weapons in conjunction with the boost to nukers. For better or worse this is a HUGE advantage.
sure there are also the min/maxers and those who don't spend anything but those type of players don't make it in any pvp clan I would think ?
there are actually 3 dragon weapons actively being used but sure nobody cares about a tank so I'll forgive you that - not sure FoundAzn will thou ;)
now before we had finished those weapons we fought Max who at the time had already finish theirs and we still beat them so - even at the last few Dim Sieges we had no problem dealing with their forces and they have more (stacked) people then we do.. anyways what I'm trying to say is that dragon weapons sure help but ain't all there is..
it actually does remind me a lil bit of HighFive update when everyone would have a macro ready to target & kill domintors before they could land their seal of limits :D
sure there are also the min/maxers and those who don't spend anything but those type of players don't make it in any pvp clan I would think ?
there are actually 3 dragon weapons actively being used but sure nobody cares about a tank so I'll forgive you that - not sure FoundAzn will thou ;)
now before we had finished those weapons we fought Max who at the time had already finish theirs and we still beat them so - even at the last few Dim Sieges we had no problem dealing with their forces and they have more (stacked) people then we do.. anyways what I'm trying to say is that dragon weapons sure help but ain't all there is..
it actually does remind me a lil bit of HighFive update when everyone would have a macro ready to target & kill domintors before they could land their seal of limits :D
I can't comment on the MAX vs. NOVA battles pre/post dragon weapons except to say I suspect it isn't an "apples to apples" comparison. What dragon weaps do they have? What is there other gear, party composition, etc?
I still think you are severely undervaluing the impact of 3x dragon weapons. This is expected and, happens all the time when the dominant side is critiquing the opposition (implying vastly superior skill and underplaying other advantages).
While we are getting off topic I'll give you anecdote which may or may not be useful. I can stack PvP defense better than 99% of the server and, prior to the update, I could last against Pepino for quite some time (I even went 5 minutes against him in oly once; he won on damage :)). Now, after the update, with 150k HP, I am a 2 shot.... Even absolute top tier archers could never do that to me when I spec'd for PvP.
It's simple from whatever direction you look at it. There is no defense against dragon weapons. As long there will be dragon weapons, none else will be able to compete against those Players equally; none else will be able to kill those dragons to compete against those Players equally; none except another Clan from another server who kept farming dragons for over a year or more might be the only solution for competition. As long there won't be any buff or scroll to protect the other 99% Players of the Server against this type of weapons, there won't be much PvP left in a Server to begin with. You can get all the other gear and 105/105, none can or will beat Higher grade tiers of Dragon Weapons. One of the ways to beat them is to increase the succes rate of enchanting R99 Weapons to 70% like A, S, S80 grade in the past and not 50/50 or 30/70. This way more Players/DPS can get more Power to compete against this Type of weaponry. 999 Attack Attribute, WTF are we talking about ..... you can't compete against it or any of it's Active/Passive Skills.
stop clowning yourself as you know very well MS has more geared ppl then Nova except for the dragon weapons part..
I think everyone here knows this is not the case. Although MS does have the second best collective armory I would say.
Before I joined MS I actually thought there was a high degree of parity between NOVA and MS. Unfortunately that's simply not the case. Taken as a whole, NOVA probably has 50% more/better gear and levels.
Additionally, mid/high tier players keep gravitating to NOVA and, this is NOT because NOVA has some type of amazing leadership structure, it's for....... other reasons :)
This is a first hand account. Nothing said in this statement is incorrect to my knowledge. Just don't leave out the part that those...other reasons...can be found in MS as well.
So that mean either work with Nova or get nothing, .....just peppinio can 1 Shot any of those toons with his dragon weapon :) oh wait their party has 2 Dragon wep! thxs for helping us to quit everyday!
Actually, I hear its work with nova or not and get nothing. I think we can all agree the only thing worse than a dragon weapon is an L2 store exclusive item.
While it's hard to categorize spending "tiers" I tend to think there are more than just two (whales & average).
Additionally; it seems as though you are underestimating the effect of your sides two dragon weapons in conjunction with the boost to nukers. For better or worse this is a HUGE advantage.
There is definitely more than 2 tiers. There is at least a "below average to none" spending tier.
There are no average spenders in nova. If your not a whale, you don't qualify to be in clan with them. Even if one of their members/associates scams you out of your gear, and you no longer meet their minimums because of said incident, you wont be Nova much longer. To be fair, MS has similar gear requirements I hear.
I do believe MS is the closest thing to parody with nova, but that's still a hell of a gap. MS has 1, maybe 1.5 parties on par with nova's...what 2, 3, 4? stacked parties of that caliber.
The post is wrong, nova does not own 9 castles. They are uncontested though. MS + the next 2 or 3 clans together do not pose a threat to Aden or Rune castles. MAYBE if you teamed, MS, FS, OJS, RR, ProPVE, ICA, and anyone else I missed the sheer zerg might get A castle from them. It would be questionable though. Abusing the game for over a decade to the Nth degree as nova has done, is not something that can be overcome with sheer willpower.
nova have 1 decent group, superrad, and 1 op group... dragon weapons, thats all the rest are +10 dark meatshields, like draeke and doomcaster.... and ms have 1 decent group... is a new clan.. short history... we only need time.... nova allways break from inside.... when ms have war with nova.. only 1 group fight us.... after pr and trade gear and build a mega hero group.... lol!!
You are criticizing MS/FS/OJS for not working together to fight NOVA. BOSS/Enmity did make friends and work with other clans BUT they (we) never formed up to fight the top clan.
Seems to be pretty obvious to me; why are you confused?
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You must have joined at the tail end of everything. Enmity was top clan at one point. even worked with FS for a bit. this is why i'm confused about your comment. It can be done, but with the attitude of each clan "not wanting to be the pet", they will all get nothing accomplished. So, if you're still in doubt that nothing can be done with the current situation on the server, it's because of the ego's and greed of these clans
nova have 1 decent group, superrad, and 1 op group... dragon weapons, thats all the rest are +10 dark meatshields, like draeke and doomcaster.... and ms have 1 decent group... is a new clan.. short history... we only need time.... nova allways break from inside.... when ms have war with nova.. only 1 group fight us.... after pr and trade gear and build a mega hero group.... lol!!
yet, us +10 dark meatshield make you QQ like little brats and talking about nova being OP. lots of big talk coming from a clan that doesn't keep war up....especially since you make nova PR
You must have joined at the tail end of everything. Enmity was top clan at one point. even worked with FS for a bit. this is why i'm confused about your comment. It can be done, but with the attitude of each clan "not wanting to be the pet", they will all get nothing accomplished. So, if you're still in doubt that nothing can be done with the current situation on the server, it's because of the ego's and greed of these clans
I joined about 4 months before Loot "quit." So, your probably right; however, this post actually hurts your argument. It means that you weren't able to keep your top spot and, rather than try to regain it you choose to join the winning side instead so... there is that.
I also never said that "nothing" could be done. I will say that it is MUCH HARDER to fight the top clan than it is to join them for multiple reasons. So, by all means, continue to repeat the same tired tropes (ego, greed, skill) if it makes you feel better.
stop pretending pro players or something like that in a p2w game .. shame of u guys hahah
is simple .. if both sides have the same gear, the winner side have better players...
if 1 side have 4-5 cp full gear and the other have only 1 or 2, its only about $$$, nothing else..
yet, us +10 dark meatshield make you QQ like little brats and talking about nova being OP. lots of big talk coming from a clan that doesn't keep war up....especially since you make nova PR
noob triggered
learn to read....if someone is crying is about dragon weapons not for meatshields ebayers like u, carpets hiding behind other strong group..... u cant make QQ anybody even if u have a dragon weapon
I joined about 4 months before Loot "quit." So, your probably right; however, this post actually hurts your argument. It means that you weren't able to keep your top spot and, rather than try to regain it you choose to join the winning side instead so... there is that.
I also never said that "nothing" could be done. I will say that it is MUCH HARDER to fight the top clan than it is to join them for multiple reasons. So, by all means, continue to repeat the same tired tropes (ego, greed, skill) if it makes you feel better.
how is it hurting my argument? we where top clan for some time. yeah, there was competition when it was a 3 sided server. I can remember when it was a 5 sided server...probably the best time i had in L2. So I think you're misinformed. it worked out back then for competition and it can work on chronos too, maybe not a 5 sided server, but even a 2 sided server can be fun.
all the old schoolers should remember "save bartz 1.0 and 2.0" look what happened there, the whole server against UR...it was fun for both sides. it's harder now because of the ego's...this is my point. people just don't want to look at the bigger picture. If you want more comp on the server...who cares who's the pet in the alliance....heck, you don't even have to have an alliance, just learn to work together. I know this won't happen because of the attitudes of some people.
learn to read....if someone is crying is about dragon weapons not for meatshields ebayers like u, carpets hiding behind other strong group..... u cant make QQ anybody even if u have a dragon weapon
lol...like 3 dragon weapons in one party can be everywhere. since i can't make anyone QQ, why don't you take a castle? ROFL
Question is why a party with 3 dragon weapons needs to be everywhere at same time?
Let me tell you a secret.
That party can go to the place it is mostly needed, first. Kill enemies in like... 15 seconds then move to another place and do the same. Rinse and repeat.
And this one party have more then enough time to jump from place to place when/where it is needed and can do it in times faster than few parties/CC that are being "Hi there, see I have a dragon weapon here! Oh, wait, we have 3!".
how is it hurting my argument? we where top clan for some time. yeah, there was competition when it was a 3 sided server. I can remember when it was a 5 sided server...probably the best time i had in L2. So I think you're misinformed. it worked out back then for competition and it can work on chronos too, maybe not a 5 sided server, but even a 2 sided server can be fun.
all the old schoolers should remember "save bartz 1.0 and 2.0" look what happened there, the whole server against UR...it was fun for both sides. it's harder now because of the ego's...this is my point. people just don't want to look at the bigger picture. If you want more comp on the server...who cares who's the pet in the alliance....heck, you don't even have to have an alliance, just learn to work together. I know this won't happen because of the attitudes of some people.
I'm really not sure where the confusion is coming from? You were in BOSS prior to joining NOVA; BOSS made no effort to fight either KSK or NOVA. NOVA won out; you joined NOVA. Now you are smack talking clans who are fighting NOVA...... Really, what else is there to say regarding recent server history?
Lets also be crystal clear about something; it is much harder to fight the top clan on the server than it is to join the winning side (obviously). Additionally, ALL of your arguments are non-sense. Lets take the ego argument. Are there big egos in FS/MS/OJS? Of course, but there are also equal sized egos in NOVA. The difference? Members in NOVA can lord it over everyone else and feel good about themselves (sound familiar), ignoring or overlooking personal bias. I'm certain there are people who don't like each other in NOVA but being on top is more important to them than forging their own path. Is this a good or a bad thing? Who can say (in respect to a video game at least) TBH, I don't even care but I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy.
Greed? Are you serious?? It's already been established that Dragons are basically for bragging rights and a chance for a dragon weap. In fact, according to many NOVA, MS has 100% equal gear with the exception of dragon weaps. We all know most gear is obtained via NCoin so how does greed factor into this analysis? Yeah, it doesn't.....
Skill as a reason? There is no way to know because, contrary to some opinions, MS and NOVA are far from equal. Additionally, IDC if NOVA beats MAX with equal/lesser gear. Maybe MAX just blows. MAX is not MS so until there is a high degree of parity the "superior" skill argument is out the window.
As far as OG Bartz history; I remember that time pretty well. Let me ask you, when the efforts to beat UR failed which clan kept the war up and kept fighting? I'll give you a hint, it had Duff, Gicobbe, the Krazys, Wicked, Slam, Frozy, HumanSheeld, Hador (derp),Tonester, Arri, and others. Which clans decided to stop fighting; you don't need a hint for this one, everyone else....
Thats the result after years of using bot/scripts/rmt. They are now lvl 105 full stacked toons, some with lvl 6 jewels and dragon weapons. Try now to fight such a grp…….. In the end they got from Juji just 3 days ban. Holding hands and corrupted GM = dead servers.
What you expect from Neutron? Now its to late to ban them. All this is Jujis fail. He had the chance to clean the servers.
Propve, ICA never did dragons without Nova. Cant fight MS, FS, OSJ or Apex without Nova. = pet clans. Not worth to talk about.
100% agree its Jujis fail!!! , same sh.it in naia server, the result after years of using bot/sripts/rmt from DH players but Juji got new project MxM something like that. Im curious when this new project will be corrupted like hell :rolleyes:
Die a 6 man clan is the only active war with Nova atm and we up +20 in the past 2 weeks. Nova wants pvp, we in die want pvp, but it will be on our terms and slowly we will take point by point and watch them detag as they have to "freely xp" what they dont realize is if u were nova and not tagged afk botting u will still DIE. goin red means nothing to us and the pvp nova wants they will not get the will get the pvp we want on our terms and continue farming them slowly. See that dragon weapon, party return find the nova meatshields and make them wonder, well i dont get anything in drops, i havent gotten any xp in a week cuz DIE clan keeps killing me, maybe i should go somewhere, where im not a number and can accually afk xp freely, cuz i promise you tagged nova or not if we remember u was ever in nova u are dead...
In the words of Eric Cartman,
Better Red then Dead....
Die a 6 man clan is the only active war with Nova atm and we up +20 in the past 2 weeks. Nova wants pvp, we in die want pvp, but it will be on our terms and slowly we will take point by point and watch them detag as they have to "freely xp" what they dont realize is if u were nova and not tagged afk botting u will still DIE. goin red means nothing to us and the pvp nova wants they will not get the will get the pvp we want on our terms and continue farming them slowly. See that dragon weapon, party return find the nova meatshields and make them wonder, well i dont get anything in drops, i havent gotten any xp in a week cuz DIE clan keeps killing me, maybe i should go somewhere, where im not a number and can accually afk xp freely, cuz i promise you tagged nova or not if we remember u was ever in nova u are dead...
In the words of Eric Cartman,
Better Red then Dead....
ROFL.....
MS needs to learn to have friends
DIE didn't drop ally...they are 1 CP that dropped from MS because they rather PVE
FS...have no idea what they are doing on the server
that's 2 decent size clans +1 CP vs 1 clan. If they can stop with their ego's and work together, then they might be able to get one castle
DiE dropped to PvE? Last I saw we had open war. We left MS for personal reasons, cleansed the clan of pve toons, let you start the war and have been fighting ever sense. We must be doing something right cuz I cant shout for a DD without getting trash talked instantly in world shout.
Degus
Question is why a party with 3 dragon weapons needs to be everywhere at same time?
Let me tell you a secret.
That party can go to the place it is mostly needed, first. Kill enemies in like... 15 seconds then move to another place and do the same. Rinse and repeat.
And this one party have more then enough time to jump from place to place when/where it is needed and can do it in times faster than few parties/CC that are being "Hi there, see I have a dragon weapon here! Oh, wait, we have 3!".
Seems not like a rocket science.
and this is what i mean that other clans could work together to grab a castle. your theory would work if bookmark teleports would work during siege, but they don't and it doesn't take 15 sec to jump from castle to castle.
I'm really not sure where the confusion is coming from? You were in BOSS prior to joining NOVA; BOSS made no effort to fight either KSK or NOVA. NOVA won out; you joined NOVA. Now you are smack talking clans who are fighting NOVA...... Really, what else is there to say regarding recent server history?
Lets also be crystal clear about something; it is much harder to fight the top clan on the server than it is to join the winning side (obviously). Additionally, ALL of your arguments are non-sense. Lets take the ego argument. Are there big egos in FS/MS/OJS? Of course, but there are also equal sized egos in NOVA. The difference? Members in NOVA can lord it over everyone else and feel good about themselves (sound familiar), ignoring or overlooking personal bias. I'm certain there are people who don't like each other in NOVA but being on top is more important to them than forging their own path. Is this a good or a bad thing? Who can say (in respect to a video game at least) TBH, I don't even care but I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy.
Greed? Are you serious?? It's already been established that Dragons are basically for bragging rights and a chance for a dragon weap. In fact, according to many NOVA, MS has 100% equal gear with the exception of dragon weaps. We all know most gear is obtained via NCoin so how does greed factor into this analysis? Yeah, it doesn't.....
Skill as a reason? There is no way to know because, contrary to some opinions, MS and NOVA are far from equal. Additionally, IDC if NOVA beats MAX with equal/lesser gear. Maybe MAX just blows. MAX is not MS so until there is a high degree of parity the "superior" skill argument is out the window.
As far as OG Bartz history; I remember that time pretty well. Let me ask you, when the efforts to beat UR failed which clan kept the war up and kept fighting? I'll give you a hint, it had Duff, Gicobbe, the Krazys, Wicked, Slam, Frozy, HumanSheeld, Hador (derp),Tonester, Arri, and others. Which clans decided to stop fighting; you don't need a hint for this one, everyone else....
first off...FS/MS/OJS are separate clans, so greed will make them unable to work together. Nova is 1 clan...there is 1 leader running things. As for the UR thing...yeah, TD kept the war up, but bored UR to the point of them just not playing anymore. So, what you're saying is that should be the server's strategy? bore Nova to leave the server? ROFL...what a joke
Die a 6 man clan is the only active war with Nova atm and we up +20 in the past 2 weeks. Nova wants pvp, we in die want pvp, but it will be on our terms and slowly we will take point by point and watch them detag as they have to "freely xp" what they dont realize is if u were nova and not tagged afk botting u will still DIE. goin red means nothing to us and the pvp nova wants they will not get the will get the pvp we want on our terms and continue farming them slowly. See that dragon weapon, party return find the nova meatshields and make them wonder, well i dont get anything in drops, i havent gotten any xp in a week cuz DIE clan keeps killing me, maybe i should go somewhere, where im not a number and can accually afk xp freely, cuz i promise you tagged nova or not if we remember u was ever in nova u are dead...
In the words of Eric Cartman,
Better Red then Dead....
The Peoples Champ
and you have accomplished what so far? a war stat? let me know in town when people start detagging cause i hardly see you out of town :P
Die a 6 man clan is the only active war with Nova atm and we up +20 in the past 2 weeks. Nova wants pvp, we in die want pvp, but it will be on our terms and slowly we will take point by point and watch them detag as they have to "freely xp" what they dont realize is if u were nova and not tagged afk botting u will still DIE. goin red means nothing to us and the pvp nova wants they will not get the will get the pvp we want on our terms and continue farming them slowly. See that dragon weapon, party return find the nova meatshields and make them wonder, well i dont get anything in drops, i havent gotten any xp in a week cuz DIE clan keeps killing me, maybe i should go somewhere, where im not a number and can accually afk xp freely, cuz i promise you tagged nova or not if we remember u was ever in nova u are dead...
In the words of Eric Cartman,
Better Red then Dead....
The Peoples Champ
HAHA Awesome post!
I did see DIE just absolutely destroy a nova hero party the other day while out grinding. First time Iv'e seen that happen and it was a great show.
Not that I give a 2 ****s about nova or die, but it is better for the server if nova can be challenged and the guerrilla style will be fun to watch.
Is that true? Lol. By grinding do you mean afk macro?
No I saw it, hence I was there, hence I could not have been afk.
I only macro when I'm not playing as its not very efficient compared to live. Also, I only macro in nice hidden places where only a few other afk people might be. I'd be shocked to find PvP happen like that in those areas.
No I saw it, hence I was there, hence I could not have been afk.
I only macro when I'm not playing as its not very efficient compared to live. Also, I only macro in nice hidden places where only a few other afk people might be. I'd be shocked to find PvP happen like that in those areas.
I meant was the nova party afk macro when they got wiped
first off...FS/MS/OJS are separate clans, so greed will make them unable to work together. Nova is 1 clan...there is 1 leader running things. As for the UR thing...yeah, TD kept the war up, but bored UR to the point of them just not playing anymore. So, what you're saying is that should be the server's strategy? bore Nova to leave the server? ROFL...what a joke
Ok, so we either have the same gear as NOVA and greed doesn't apply (because it all comes from L2 store) or, we don't have equal gear and, we need drops to gear up; gotcha! Se what I did there!
Bore NOVA to death? Is that even a serious comment coming from you?? You're part of the bandwagon LOL.
Just curious; how do you know what went on between TD and UR? Weren't you in Vestige or Seven Sins (can't remember which) carebearing it up.... A lot of UR did quit and maybe it was out of boredom but I never accepted that it was from a lack of PvP as we were fighting them for every Frint, every Siege, most dragons, and taking 6-8 Heroes a month. Additionally, UR didn't disintegrate when they dropped war; many stayed tagged and when server transfers opened Catalyst joined them.
Ok, so we either have the same gear as NOVA and greed doesn't apply (because it all comes from L2 store) or we, don't have equal gear and we need drops to gear up; gotcha! Se what I did there!
Bore NOVA to death? Is that even a serious comment coming from you?? You're part of the bandwagon LOL.
Just curious; how do you know what went on between TD and UR? Weren't you in Vestige or Seven Sins (can't remember which) carebearing it up.... A lot of UR did quit and maybe it was out of boredom but I never accepted that it was from a lack of PvP as we were fighting them for every Frint, every Siege, most dragons, and taking 6-8 Heroes a month. Additionally, UR didn't disintegrate when they dropped war; many stayed tagged and when server transfers opened Catalyst joined them.
I meant was the nova party afk macro when they got wiped
Is it that hard to believe not all Nova hit like peppenio and superrad? No they weren't macro, we wipe them all the time. People need to stop being scared of their name, it's better to lose PvP then not even try, sometimes you'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you just TRY!
Ok, so we either have the same gear as NOVA and greed doesn't apply (because it all comes from L2 store) or, we don't have equal gear and, we need drops to gear up; gotcha! Se what I did there!
Bore NOVA to death? Is that even a serious comment coming from you?? You're part of the bandwagon LOL.
Just curious; how do you know what went on between TD and UR? Weren't you in Vestige or Seven Sins (can't remember which) carebearing it up.... A lot of UR did quit and maybe it was out of boredom but I never accepted that it was from a lack of PvP as we were fighting them for every Frint, every Siege, most dragons, and taking 6-8 Heroes a month. Additionally, UR didn't disintegrate when they dropped war; many stayed tagged and when server transfers opened Catalyst joined them.
ROFL....Vestige PVEing it up? were you new to the server? we held goddard for 1 year after it was first siegable. maybe you forgot the 27 vs 27 fights we had with Nova? or how about when Vestige was fighting dominus/divinity/nova/stripclub/dawn all at the same time? Yes, you bored them to death, i have friends that were in UR. I also had friends in TD as well, so i do know what i'm talking about
Is it that hard to believe not all Nova hit like peppenio and superrad? No they weren't macro, we wipe them all the time. People need to stop being scared of their name, it's better to lose PvP then not even try, sometimes you'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you just TRY!
I know I have fought some of their groups on dim siege, I just wanted to know if they were on macro. I'm not afraid of them, we are anxiously awaiting server merges in fact.
ROFL....Vestige PVEing it up? were you new to the server? we held goddard for 1 year after it was first siegable. maybe you forgot the 27 vs 27 fights we had with Nova? or how about when Vestige was fighting dominus/divinity/nova/stripclub/dawn all at the same time? Yes, you bored them to death, i have friends that were in UR. I also had friends in TD as well, so i do know what i'm talking about
Fianlly! We agree on something!!
Rodah ask in clan why MS got kicked out of the Ally and you know why Doom talks about greed :)
classic items to get dramaz over:
1. gainax
2. dragon drops
3. oly hero's
4. xp/quest spots - not anymore cause everyone is fishing now ;)
Obviously context is in order; or, I could ask whether it was NOVA who were being greedy since it cuts both ways right? I mean, if MS wanted Dark Stones, Heros, Dragon Drops, and primo XP spots and, NOVA wanted all this as well, which group is being greedy?
Additionally, I could accept your rational (greed) and then use it to easily refute your (maybe not yours personally) parity argument.
were they afk? negative ghost rider... full party with heros and doom was there as well with his glow! quick to forget the deaths the QQ is real! 5men and 1 woman arent scurd of nova robotics, when will the rest of u stop with the carebear stare... and to the nova cats if it wasnt for DIE you would have 0 pvp and god forbid we let a 1 party clan get a castle with cloaks and ability of darkness to help them be stronger for better pvp... Lets give castles to alt clans cuz clearly adena and drops are more important then pvp to Nova if not they would allow some people some castles maybe some dark and more pvp!!!
or alternatively 6 people will fight nova while the rest of you bore them to death....
and no matter how u look at it if every single non nova player worked together it wood not matter as AOEs effect each other. only chance is everyone in 1 clan which wont happen because of egos
Obviously context is in order; or, I could ask whether it was NOVA who were being greedy since it cuts both ways right? I mean, if MS wanted Dark Stones, Heros, Dragon Drops, and primo XP spots and, NOVA wanted all this as well, which group is being greedy?
Additionally, I could accept your rational (greed) and then use it to easily refute your (maybe not yours personally) parity argument.
So, how should we interpret all this?
I don't do politics so not going to bother with lawyer like retorts with someone who is too lazy to do his own fact checking so roll a dice for all I care or you could do what I suggested and go ask the old members in MS that were around when it happen for the reason why :)
the end result was a simple vote of do we want to keep MS in ally and the outcome has been quite obvious I would say
and no matter how u look at it if every single non nova player worked together it wood not matter as AOEs effect each other. only chance is everyone in 1 clan which wont happen because of egos
and that's not Nova's problem but Chronos's - maybe things will change once the folks from Zaken gets unleashed who knows but till then the current status quo remains.
we all know about nova...nobody cares except nova.
some people apparently do care as they started the topic and others decided to post as well but I do agree it's quite remiss of Conguero not to congratulate Nova with holding all Castles on Chronos!! oh wait nope that's nothing special and has been done many times before..
ah that moment when you realize you've seen it all.. I want my next Veteran Reward to celebrate am an old **** :D
and that's not Nova's problem but Chronos's - maybe things will change once the folks from Zaken gets unleashed who knows but till then the current status quo remains.
Zaken has the same thing. Do you know how many clans have 1 cp and refuse to consolidate
some people apparently do care as they started the topic and others decided to post as well but I do agree it's quite remiss of Conguero not to congratulate Nova with holding all Castles on Chronos!! oh wait nope that's nothing special and has been done many times before..
ah that moment when you realize you've seen it all.. I want my next Veteran Reward to celebrate am an old **** :D
nova has some smart gamers...but it goes against common sense what they get away with other than russian collusion :)
and i will end by saying one of ncwest's biggest spenders ever well over 150k got forced out of game by gm's and cheaters...so be it.
You still posting ? )) Either finish with game for once or come and play. Geez crying like a lady here. Well unless you are lady, then understandable :)
u google l2 adre
u write stuff
u make a zerg
u assist
u win
thats l2, u dont need gear when u have full assist going on.
dont like it? quit l2 already because... well its l2 :D
like u get aimbot for w/e fps game u just bought to be the best of the best!
go deny the fact or just trust me and do it or just do your own stuff ingame or quit cus thats what l2 has become for many years and ncwest doesnt give a rats ***..
only that 1 gm SPAM or w/e went on rampage for few times and then he left lineage 2 or ncsoft for rest no gm ever banned any obvious bot :p
and i will end by saying one of ncwest's biggest spenders ever well over 150k got forced out of game by gm's and cheaters...so be it.
You still posting ? )) Either finish with game for once or come and play. Geez crying like a lady here. Well unless you are lady, then understandable :)
I have no clue what Voo is planning. I saw him try buy some items from my Friends in Chronos. Voo you start playing again? Unbanned? New Char?
Neutron when Game will be balanced? How can that happen that Renovatio on Chronos controll 9 Castles with alt clans?
Why should i spend any Nc coins now?
Where is the motivation?
Explain me please.
For nova trolls, im not crying im asking why nova recruit full server with Dark Gear and in ally with everyone ICA.
Renovatio milking Game like a big COW, they getting taxes from Castles, and getting richer and richer.
In there CP have now everyone own Castle is this fair? Neutron :cool:
That is capitalism, the elites pay money for others to play for free....
Just go into Communism Hell here and you will know what is better....