They just pull the target far enough from mobs to make macro farmers not able to target mobs anymore. Then they hit the macro farrmer and they WILL BE the target - because if someone hits you, he will be the target - for the macro farmer. And if you can't target mobs by macro, it will continue by the way, and you will attack the people who attacked you and already flagged. They need some practice but if you hit the person who pulled you away, you can kill him at the moment he becomes unflagged and get karma. They make you 4+ PK points and bum, some of your items gone.
A level 89+ Sigel is the most effective for pulling away, but even other classes like 85+ eviscerator can manage to pull this off (assuming any nearby monsters are being killed the moment they spawn).
This is very hard to pull off tbh, but yeah, it needs fixing, by just adding 10 sec additional window after someone unflags, to still not count as a PK, since this can be pulled off, if you actually can attack someone w/o force attack, which is a fraction of a second.
The other way of fixing this is just by making it only mobs to be able to take your target when they hit you and you have no other target.
And even better way is to add an option that will prevent you from hitting any PC target, even if its flagged or red /nopvp
This is very hard to pull off tbh, but yeah, it needs fixing, by just adding 10 sec additional window after someone unflags, to still not count as a PK, since this can be pulled off, if you actually can attack someone w/o force attack, which is a fraction of a second.
The other way of fixing this is just by making it only mobs to be able to take your target when they hit you and you have no other target.
And even better way is to add an option that will prevent you from hitting any PC target, even if its flagged or red /nopvp
Already personally tested this and within the 30 mins span I was able to make my box wynn take 6pks the first pk is the tricky part but after the first PK everything goes easily it's all about timing :)
Already personally tested this and within the 30 mins span I was able to make my box wynn take 6pks the first pk is the tricky part but after the first PK everything goes easily it's all about timing :)
Yea, could be, I never tried it actually, seen ppl doing it, but this is an exploit and you know how exploiters are treated by the EULA and RoC.
Stupid carebears. Dont go AFK if you are afraid of PKing.
Its not a bug nor exploit, just taking advantage of your stupidity when making macros.
Flag lasts exactly 1 min (2 if you atk unflagged character), so finding out how somebodies macro is written, i.e see how long between skill casts you can make them PK very easily by timing flag so their skill casts the last millisecond of your flag so they kill you while unflagged.
There Is no exploit to make them PK you randomly etc.
And if you were not completely useless, you would know a /target %self at the end of macro would render this useless, aslong as your macro isnt over 1 minute long that is..
This because they take advantage of hittinf you while you have no target - so target yourself at the end of macro will prevent that.
Crybabies and carebears. Thank me later.
They just pull the target far enough from mobs to make macro farmers not able to target mobs anymore. Then they hit the macro farrmer and they WILL BE the target - because if someone hits you, he will be the target - for the macro farmer. And if you can't target mobs by macro, it will continue by the way, and you will attack the people who attacked you and already flagged. They need some practice but if you hit the person who pulled you away, you can kill him at the moment he becomes unflagged and get karma. They make you 4+ PK points and bum, some of your items gone.
why im not surprise its russian dh duBOT (dudot) rat, this guy do everyting in this game to get some adena and make some $$$, like i siad before this guy should be perma banned long time ago but we should all thx juji to let him be here to destroy more and more naia server !!! gz juji you are the best corrupted gm ever and best wishes in new project MxM or something like that:)
And if you were not completely useless, you would know a /target %self at the end of macro would render this useless, aslong as your macro isnt over 1 minute long that is..
This because they take advantage of hittinf you while you have no target - so target yourself at the end of macro will prevent that.
Crybabies and carebears. Thank me later.
you don't get it..they make the pk 4+ on macro farmers..even if they have 0
Ah I see now, sorry. I was from mobile and I didn't check videos.
Wow... So we are expecting some stupid answer from ncwest...
Stupid carebears. Dont go AFK if you are afraid of PKing.
Its not a bug nor exploit, just taking advantage of your stupidity when making macros.
That's right.
This is from Lineage M (https://lineagem.plaync.com/), but since at that press conference almost all senior executives were present, it can probably be considered as NCsoft's official stance on macro users and the pranks that live users play on them in all of their games:
자동 사냥으로 인해 사냥터 잠식 현상* 발생하진 않을지 우려된다.
*성구 - 자동 사냥은 모바일 환경에서 쾌적하게 즐기기 위해 필요한 것*라 넣었다. 그리고 잠식 현상은 필드 PK 시스템 덕에 자체적으로 해결된다. 자동 사냥 설정해놓고 방치* 경우, 실제로 컨트롤하는 다른 유저에게 공격당* 가능성* 높다. * *은 유저간 경쟁의 한 요소라고 본다. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=177830 (about halfway down the page)
Journalist: Are you not afraid that through macro hunting there will emerge a situation where all hunting grounds are taken?
Director Lee Seong-gu: Macro hunting is a necessary feature to be able to enjoy a mobile environment. And the phenomenon of hunting ground occupying is dealt with by the field PK system. If you are setting your character to automatically hunt with macros, there is a high probability that you will be attacked by other players who are actually controlling their characters. This is considered by us as a normal aspect of the competition between players.
It's a pure exploit, just petition whoever did that to you and watch him get banned.
Now normally PKing afk toons is totally legit, but forcing someone to become red is an exploit.
The obvious abuse of server delay between being marked unflagged and the toon farming still seeing you flagged so they attack you and pk you even if they didnt make force attack at any time. Its the same reason you die with undying will etc, NCWest cant obviously fix this so at least they should penalize people trying to abuse this (obviously unintended) abuse of game features...
This is from Lineage M (https://lineagem.plaync.com/), but since at that press conference almost all senior executives were present, it can probably be considered as NCsoft's official stance on macro users and the pranks that live users play on them in all of their games:
This is where you re wrong, what they said is other players pking YOU, not making you pk THEM by abusing the server delay ncwest seems clueless to fix years already. Obviously them pking you and taking your spot is 100% fair play and within the game's intended mechanics, this is not.
I don't care about it especially, but some of my friends lost items with high value by this.. The more people lose items by this method, the more will stop the game and there will be less players, players who paid a lot in this game and got scammed by others on this way. This may hurt NCWest also.
... what they said is other players pking YOU, not making you pk THEM by abusing the server delay ncwest seems clueless to fix years already. Obviously them pking you and taking your spot is 100% fair play and within the game's intended mechanics, this is not.
This is also a possible interpretation of Director Lee's statement. Let's see what Neutron has to say.
In any case, until the legal situation has been clarified it's probably safest for everyboy to refrain from using macros for automated hunting :)
/target %self in the beginning of the macro seems to work. Problem solved, Mr. dUdot
What happen if you're attacked at the last millisecond?
Is there any delay before status change to Flagged?
If there is delay, attacked just at last moment, your target switch to attacker, macro issued, PK count+1
Above possible if there is delay from changing status to Flagged and using script to time it,would be easy.
I cannot test it, no script on my end :p
It's a pure exploit, just petition whoever did that to you and watch him get banned.
Now normally PKing afk toons is totally legit, but forcing someone to become red is an exploit.
Mind explaining how exactly it is an exploit, or why it is a breach of the RoC?
Lets put it this way.
If I PvP you and run away, and appear again with my name flashing white/purple, is it also an exploit if you are stupid enough to hit me at the last moment of flag?
Same scenario, just in one case you are active, the other you stupidly enough left your char by itself.
What happen if you're attacked at the last millisecond?
Is there any delay before status change to Flagged?
If there is delay, attacked just at last moment, your target switch to attacker, macro issued, PK count+1
Above possible if there is delay from changing status to Flagged and using script to time it,would be easy.
I cannot test it, no script on my end :p
Since you are too lazy to read the thread.
1 min if you attack a flagged person, two min if you attack a nonflagged person.
Thus if macro is lower than 1 minute you can NEVER PK someone if you have that at the end of your macro.
I assume thats what you asked, if not.. no there is no other delay present, i.e when name switches from white to purple.
/target %self in the beginning of the macro seems to work. Problem solved, Mr. dUdot
Once a macro is looping there is effectively no end or beginning just a continuous progression of commands from the game's perspective.
Since you are too lazy to read the thread.
1 min if you attack a flagged person, two min if you attack a nonflagged person.
Thus if macro is lower than 1 minute you can NEVER PK someone if you have that at the end of your macro.
I assume thats what you asked, if not.. no there is no other delay present, i.e when name switches from white to purple.
What happen if toonb at blink status attack toona?
would toona retarget toonb, attack and get pk?
Can confirm status change from blink to purple is with 0 delay?
I was testing it with ElectroQQ. Right after that, I opened a support ticket. The guy(s) confirmed me, that this is perfectly normal. You can do this without any consequence. They don't care as this is how it should be working according to them.
What happen if toonb at blink status attack toona?
would toona retarget toonb, attack and get pk?
Can confirm status change from blink to purple is with 0 delay?
If you atk someone who is blinking there is always a chance to PK as if you initiate an attack or skill when they are purple, and actually hit when white you will become PK if they die.
NOTE. Im not talking about white during the blinking process, rather the end of it when blinking stops.
Blinking process lasts 15 sec and you can kill people during that NP at all.
If toon who is blinking attack someone else, you will become purple again.
Is no delay.
The only way you can become PK if you have /target %self at the end of macro, is if you use nexttarget or a macro like /target cantera, people can use that to their advantage then and dont even need to hit you. Just stand flag near you.
I suggest you hunt monsters which have a space between the name, i.e "cantera wizard" and use the full name or close to it in macro > that way noone can name a pet or character the same, as it doesnt allow spaces.
Will be slower but atleast there is NO WAY to become PK.
If you atk someone who is blinking there is always a chance to PK as if you initiate an attack or skill when they are purple, and actually hit when white you will become PK if they die.
NOTE. Im not talking about white during the blinking process, rather the end of it when blinking stops.
Blinking process lasts 15 sec and you can kill people during that NP at all.
If toon who is blinking attack someone else, you will become purple again.
Is no delay.
The only way you can become PK if you have /target %self at the end of macro, is if you use nexttarget or a macro like /target cantera, people can use that to their advantage then and dont even need to hit you. Just stand flag near you.
I suggest you hunt monsters which have a space between the name, i.e "cantera wizard" and use the full name or close to it in macro > that way noone can name a pet or character the same, as it doesnt allow spaces.
Will be slower but atleast there is NO WAY to become PK.
Bro, as a wynn there is no way you can avoid this...he just come with a tank and drag you away from mobs :)
Some of you guys don't get what I wanted to say :D If they hit you they will be flagged for 2 minutes, until it you can't get karma. So just don't write longer macros than 2 minutes.