Ok, So now we have to Pay Adena to do quests? If its not having to BUY items in the L2 store.. Its Adena.. What happened to doing a quest or a event... Because its, "an event"..
I heared rumors and fairytales from our elders, that once upon a time, in a galaxy far away, there were quests, that gave adena as reward. REWARD! Whats madness, heresy I would say!
I was looking forward to the event. I wanted to lvl up my ISS with Red Libra quests, so imagine my disappointment since I can't afford wasting any adena on xp at this stage.
Oh well, nothing for me in this even apart from the elysium weapon. It's always something for a poor player ;)
Just an idea for the NcSoft staff.... If mobs drop little to no adena, raids drop crap drops and no adena, yet everything from taking the quest to buyin buffs cost adena...
IDEA!!! since 90% of drops from dailies and raids is modify armor and weapon scrolls, why cant we use them as the trade in item instead of adena? ATM there is more modify scrolls going unused on server then BSOE or BREZ... i could literally change my complete armor set every week for over a year and no one wants to buy the stupid things and npc pays nothing for them.... FAIL FAIL FAIL
On a side note giran castle owners are gonna be ***** paid!!!~
The game is setup so the only resource for adena is the L2 store.
You kill a lvl 101 mob and it drops 47 adena when you just spent 2500 adena in shots lol...
They even have events that the event directs you to the L2 store to get the items you need to participate IN the event.
NCSoft needs to realize, when people run out of money.. their little game here will REALLY be dead. So instead of squeezing every player for money like Bernie Sanders going after the top 5%.. They may want to improve the game SO they get more users.. Not just the people willing to fork out USD each event..
I agree, what the hell happened with this game now we have to pay to get quests instead of receiving some kind of reward for the quest?
what are we suppose to do when the adena with the players run out? it will sure take a good amount of time but its gonna happen regardless, there is no resource in game to get adena anymore all the adena in the game now are from years of botting but eventually it will run out.
why don't you make the game like it used to be since there are no swarms of bots, instead of punishing the legit players by removing the drops and adena from the game.
Seriously i never understood how the "official" server doesn't have a proper anti bot system, even the crappy private servers have way better anti bot systems.
hello,
I dont want to be rude, but implying some policies they have to be backed,
for example boting is not allowed since we have the auto macro system.
Now since you nerf drops to death, how can this red libra ask players for adena,
how can this be morally supported?
ps I need 40m adena per day to participate @ 101 lvl
I would rather have 3000 bots back to the game and have the ability to farm my own adena with grinding and raids.. At least you can kill Bots..
People should be outraged over the 180% imbalance in the economy.. Even if you went out for a few hours to attempt to farm some adena on mobs.. you go back to town having spending Tons more than you made. IMO, NC Knows this, and direct us like sheep the the L2 Store icon..
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P.S.. Ive even use 2 or 3 of those "7day 200% drop rate" scrolls.. spent weeks xping and raiding.. I made NOTHING.. So if the drop rates are 0.00000012% .. not even a 200% boost does anything..
Maybe next time don't fish to 101 and you'd have 40m to spend?
hello,
I dont want to be rude, but implying some policies they have to be backed,
for example boting is not allowed since we have the auto macro system.
Now since you nerf drops to death, how can this red libra ask players for adena,
how can this be morally supported?
ps I need 40m adena per day to participate @ 101 lvl
Ok, So now we have to Pay Adena to do quests? If its not having to BUY items in the L2 store.. Its Adena.. What happened to doing a quest or a event... Because its, "a event"..
My problem with this is that they charge you more to participate in the quest than you'll ever receive as a reward in most of the quests that they offer in game. Further, the point of these quests is to help characters XP. The people who need to do that are usually newbies or returning players. Why punish them? Seriously, NCSoft, get a clue.
i was not expecting to find a topic about the xp part of red libra as long as most ppl have problem about that the improved shadow weapons are not able to be exchanged to others same type. Unfortunately this game is p2w long time now but seems like gms want to make us understand that sooner or later this game will have nothing on free mode. For those who will answer "hey guys just do not do the quests so simple " i will just reply that the problem here is not only the adena they want us to pay but the skeptical behind it...+ than unfortunately not all ppl can afford this and i am talking about ppl with low gear who need to search 1 hour for 1 kama pt or for those who need 45 mins to make a k95 7 ppl and these q can help them a bit... yes servers still have also this kind of ppl ... or even those who just want to start this game from the beginning ...so what is the skeptical dear gms? pay more ncoins to make adena and do the q + xp boost etc ? buy adena from those rmt's who you are not able to find them and ban them ? make the "poor" gamers quit so you can peacefully merge all servers to one and put Europeans out ?or you try to make everybody quit cause you want to stop the services on l2 world ? ok last options sounded dramatic but really except of pay pay pay , lags , issues , botters , rmts , and more pay pay pay this game has lost all of the fun and the pleasure it used to give.
Seriously i never understood how the "official" server doesn't have a proper anti bot system, even the crappy private servers have way better anti bot systems.Those servers have two real defenses against exploit developers.
The first is they tend to give out the uber items galore so there's no reason to bot.
The second defense applies to all of them and that is those servers have very few users and thus there is NO financial motivation for the bot/cheat makers to get past the flimsy defenses. NCsoft has used the very same methods and those methods were bypassed within hours of implementation because there is a strong financial motivator.
Ncsoft has to follow a whole host of laws that your illegal private server admin doesn't have to follow.
You're comparing the administration of security on a house level to that of on a city level. IT's apples and oranges.
As a returning player I have no idea how people can afford the +60 billion adena high end gear. I'm rocking r95 +6 armor with a r9 +5 weapon with one SA because I can't afford anything better at lvl 100... never fished as I couldn't afford to buy the fishing rod and stuff.
Where to start. First things first. You CAN make adena in this game easily. I average roughly 30-50m per day just on macro. The key to this is getting a 3 man setup you can nonstop grind with that doesn't require shots at all. With the daily quests for each new tier..Bloody, fairies, Kamael Stronghold, etc..(this is actually as far as Ive gotten myself). Take the daily on all 3 toons, go macro away and go til max item count. Really easy to be honest. Biggest pain is the people that try to get their pvp score padded on afk macro players. This is actually fun for me, and trust me I get rolled all the time...but not everytime : )
I will agree with the complaints here though about the ncstore being integrated into events. Yeah it's a business and they got to make money. Put event item boosters in the store then and offer lower reward options that DON'T cost $$. You're only going to get two types of response though. Those that can afford to recklessly spend their money on the game w/o feeling a real world money pinch, and those that can not afford to do so all the time. Only option for everyone is to just quit supporting the game at all in any form. Don't log in, don't spend money. Then, when nobody is left to pay except the minor few that can. The game's plug gets pulled or they change it.
To be honest it's more the playerbase that drives me nuts in this game. When you got well off people that spend, spend, spend. They expect to win. Then when they don't win, they cry or try to get each other banned for god knows what reason. Then the banter back and forth between the bought and paid for characters ensues. PLEADING " Oh dear GM's..I DEMAND an explanation!!". Bunch of suckers.
And in response to the 100k adena profit for 5 hours of grinding being Generous. That is flat out ridiculous. There has not been a single game EVER that I have played where you don't slowly gain more and more income per hour as you got higher in levels. At lower levels yes it's understandable. Nothing should be super easy. The game is just flat out bogus in this regard. I say everyone just go play something else for a year and not give ncsoft their money anymore. Let the people heavily invested in the game tear each other apart like the animals they are. By the time it's all said and done their won't be many playing at all after the animals cry, moan, cheat, scam, and get each other banned.
Never could figure out why ncsoft didn't just put their excellent artists to work on cosmetic sets and mounts galore and cash in while keeping the integrity of their game.
For those who will answer "hey guys just do not do the quests so simple " i will just reply that the problem here is not only the adena they want us to pay but the skeptical behind it...+ than unfortunately not all ppl can afford this and i am talking about ppl with low gear who need to search 1 hour for 1 kama pt or for those who need 45 mins to make a k95 7 ppl and these q can help them a bit... yes servers still have also this kind of ppl ... or even those who just want to start this game from the beginning ...so what is the skeptical dear gms? pay more ncoins to make adena and do the q + xp boost etc ? buy adena from those rmt's who you are not able to find them and ban them ? make the "poor" gamers quit so you can peacefully merge all servers to one and put Europeans out ?or you try to make everybody quit cause you want to stop the services on l2 world ? ok last options sounded dramatic but really except of pay pay pay , lags , issues , botters , rmts , and more pay pay pay this game has lost all of the fun and the pleasure it used to give.
The problem here is not that quests cost adena, problem is that not a single event in the past god-knows-how-much years was oriented towards gearing lower tier of pleyers.
So there is no way for casual people to get decent enough gear for party/daily activites if they dont know how to utilize grinding in this game. At the moment there was xp boost for 6 months (first server wide 50%, then 400% vit boost, then fishing event, now these quests from Red Libra) where all new ppl gained incredibly fast lvl and could not folow that with their gear.
Obviously there is so little content in game now for people 85 - 99 that there is no way they can get gear without buying ncoins when they hit 99 and be usefull in a party.
So if you calculate it i leveled a toon from 85 - 97 in 2 weeks just by doing normal instances casually. At that time i earned maybe 50m from drops. And this is me soloing all instances, so how can you expect people to get, for instance a clean r99 set when they hit 99 - that currently costs around 1,5b on Naia (give or take a few mil based on set type) when they dont even have 100m with current progression speed.
L2 has always been adena farming game, not xp farming and its obvious now more and more that new people cant/dont know how to farm adena. And this is the problem of L2 and why its going to die pretty soon. It has always been p2w game, it has always had rmt, bots but players 10 years ago are not players now.
Sucesfull mmorpg f2p games have managed to separate the casual players and provide them with just enough for them to have fun and motivete them to spend some real money if they want to get into the top tier end of gameplay and fun. The belance does not exist in l2 because there is no clear vision for the future of the game. This is visible in updates that just offer new content for 1% of population and 0 content for casual players also in the dev team taking more and more time to push updates - ie. it has been downsized, in ridiculous indian support staff that have never played an hour of this game so how the hell can they support with any issues and with the model of operations that is milk it till it goes. :cool:
24/7 Macroing in itself is stupid.. You 24/7 maco to make Adena.. and you think there isnt an issue.. ok.
You want to go around and kill the macro people.. I see i play this game for different reasons than yourself..
What ever reason you play, i guess if you're having fun.. have at it.. ;)
But to blame the people for the reason that the game is the way it is...? Just ignorant..
Its a Co. yes.. they are here to make money.. The way they are bending their customers over is terrible business practice..
This post wasn't made for any other reason but to express my disappointment of the direction this game has taken That ive played for 10+ years.. Thats all..
24/7 Macroing in itself is stupid.. You 24/7 maco to make Adena.. and you think there isnt an issue.. ok.
Agreed.
Besides, anyone who macros 24/7 must not be paying his/her own electric bills. If he is making 30M-50M a day working around the clock, he's in denial. One way or another someone is paying for that in real currency. It's probably the difference between a $40 monthly electric bill and a $80-$100 electric bill, but there is still a cost attached. Better off just using that extra $40-$60 from the higher electricity costs to buy from L2 store and do "RMT-Lite". Whatever the case, it's a safe bet that the poorer players aren't able to afford a higher electric bill, if they can't afford these events. They also can't afford good enough PC to box 3 toons 24/7 for days/weeks/months, either. Let's be real.
Besides, anyone who macros 24/7 must not be paying his/her own electric bills. If he is making 30M-50M a day working around the clock, he's in denial. One way or another someone is paying for that in real currency. It's probably the difference between a $40 monthly electric bill and a $80-$100 electric bill, but there is still a cost attached. Better off just using that extra $40-$60 from the higher electricity costs to buy from L2 store and do "RMT-Lite". Whatever the case, it's a safe bet that the poorer players aren't able to afford a higher electric bill, if they can't afford these events. They also can't afford good enough PC to box 3 toons 24/7 for days/weeks/months, either. Let's be real.I live in the southwest of the USA and even during "winter" when I'm not running any AC, heat or more than one PC I still see at least $100 for an electric bill (usually higher). Partially thanks to all the freedom fees. I have three desktops the main is an fx6300 based system the secondary is a q6600 system and the last one is an e4400 system. I have left them running for months at a time during winter(folding bitcoin crunching numbers for projects etc) and I barely noticed a bump in my monthly electric bill. During winter I run a higher OCs to help warm the room and during summer I cut back on the OCs because I don't run the AC when I'm at work or out. The e4400 with two clients (can handle 3 but it gets bogged down due to only 4 GB ram) sees a about 8-15% cpu load while running macros. THe q6600 with 3 clients sees 7-15% cpu load. The fx6300 sees an even lower load than the q6600. The GPUs on those machines see no real load while running macros AFK. The downside of the lack of a load on the CPU and GPU is that the PSUs aren't operating in their optimal load range. So my efficiency suffers some but it's no big deal as I'm not pulling many watts from the outlet anyway. Today ambient peaked to around 35c and the highest core temp on all the machines was 52c.
So as you can see if you setup your machines properly the electrical load is barely noticeable if at all. Also you can easily build a machine to triple box lineage 2 with spare parts from old machines. The q6600 CPU was 10 bucks delivered last year (ebay) the 8gb of ddr3 ram was 40 bucks new (newegg gskill sale) and the mobo was about 40 bucks new (asrock g41m-s3). The graphics card is an OOOLd hd5770 1gb and the PSU is an el cheapo corsair 35 buck post rebate PSU from newegg. I do run my old hyper 212 cooler on the q6600 setup as I keep it clocked at over 3 ghz. It runs 3 clients fine at stock speeds but I like to play world of warships on top of the three L2 clients.
To be honest, the nobs that gear their toons by spending more than 50 bucks a month are not worth mentioning and they have never played this game, nor achieved anything.Abusing the store is like buying //kill access, which trust me, you don't want to see how it works in live servers environment.
On the other hand, it's true that almost nothing drops ingame, unless you can devote 10+ hrs trying to farm everything possible, which would have been okay, if it was year 2005, but not in 2017.I know some ppl still are doing that, but get real.
Getting further in the matter, there are still some ways to make adena, like for example, lately I'm selling services, like Kama duo, Altar duo, AF duo and many of the spenders buy these, every single day. Easy 1b+ for about 1hr of playing, then afk macro. If you're 24/7 on macro, you'll be getting lots of Fortune pockets, that sell very well for a decent profit.
You can also go to Hellbound and farm in Phantasmal Ridge, mobs the drop 5-40k adena (20k on average), which is much more that you spend killing them. Same goes for Garden of Spirits.
Besides, anyone who macros 24/7 must not be paying his/her own electric bills. If he is making 30M-50M a day working around the clock, he's in denial. One way or another someone is paying for that in real currency. It's probably the difference between a $40 monthly electric bill and a $80-$100 electric bill, but there is still a cost attached. Better off just using that extra $40-$60 from the higher electricity costs to buy from L2 store and do "RMT-Lite". Whatever the case, it's a safe bet that the poorer players aren't able to afford a higher electric bill, if they can't afford these events. They also can't afford good enough PC to box 3 toons 24/7 for days/weeks/months, either. Let's be real.
There's always the 'T' type processors (in Intel's terms) or heavily TDP-limited 'U' type mobile versions (in Intel's terms), where a CPU is only allowed to drain 15W at 100% load including Turbo Boost frequency. That with low power DDR4 memory, screen always off because you are afk can make the energy consumption negligible.
If you guys are struggling to make Adena, I recommend you fish during your downtime. A fancy fishing rod and r99 bait yields around 270m profit (average) each week. I know it's a large start-up costs, but we just had an event where fancy rods flooded the market and they're all incredibly affordable by L2 standards.
Set your game to optimize performance so your cpu isn't drawing anymore power while the game sits minimized. It will not affect your fishing output.
You can make lots of adena, but yes, it's stupid hard. To even get going at a decent clip you have to buy in several hundred USD. On top of that you will need several accounts, super stable internet connection and a few extra pcs. The biggest problem is obviously, where the F U C K are the god **** drops?
Farming both tautis 2x a week, for almost a year, and 1x a week for a year before that, has yielded 0 tautis rings for my clan. This is with most people running dull drop runes. I mean wtf is that about?
Farming most faction s to lvl 6 has yielded 0 full drops, with 100% rune always on (your welcome NC soft).
Farming ekimus for 2 years has yielded exactly 1 belt. Ofc the monkey belt came out right after that making it a worse drop than it was to begin with.
The drop rate is the second biggest problem with the game today. At the bare minimum I expect a drop a year after spending $15 a year, and i mean a boas jewl. Ita a sad joke that, years ago these dropped existed and today we are getting played in stead of playing.
You can make lots of adena, but yes, it's stupid hard. To even get going at a decent clip you have to buy in several hundred USD. On top of that you will need several accounts, super stable internet connection and a few extra pcs. The biggest problem is obviously, where the F U C K are the god **** drops?
Farming both tautis 2x a week, for almost a year, and 1x a week for a year before that, has yielded 0 tautis rings for my clan. This is with most people running dull drop runes. I mean wtf is that about?
Farming most faction s to lvl 6 has yielded 0 full drops, with 100% rune always on (your welcome NC soft).
Farming ekimus for 2 years has yielded exactly 1 belt. Ofc the monkey belt came out right after that making it a worse drop than it was to begin with.
The drop rate is the second biggest problem with the game today. At the bare minimum I expect a drop a year after spending $15 a year, and i mean a boas jewl. Ita a sad joke that, years ago these dropped existed and today we are getting played in stead of playing.
dunno about that but when I did alot of factions while running 200% drop rune & the one from prestige pack so a total of 300% drop rate I got at least 8 full items drops in the last 6 months of which 1 weapon - a crossbow so meh but hey still..
There's always the 'T' type processors (in Intel's terms) or heavily TDP-limited 'U' type mobile versions (in Intel's terms), where a CPU is only allowed to drain 15W at 100% load including Turbo Boost frequency. That with low power DDR4 memory, screen always off because you are afk can make the energy consumption negligible.I'd like to add a few things to the above post if anyone is interested. Something as simple as having a blank notepad full page will drop the load on your gpu to barely above zero. You can use power options in windows to cut power consumption even more. ATI and Nvidia both have power saving options in their drivers so look into that too.
Fortunately for me my motherboards have "save slots" for bios/eufi configurations. I have winter (high Overclock), summer (lower overclock), and stock saved on all three machines.
Unfortunately for all calling 30-50m a day bs..take your daily for sh3..on all 3 toons..set them up..macro away..come back and check on them every now and then..just turning in the max quest item daily on those 3 toons is 19m..so to say you won't make another 11-40m based off what does or does not drop is actually the BS. Twilight boots drop roughly 2 or 3 per day..not always..but frequent enough for me to say it happens regularly...the twilight mat drops sell to the vendor for maybe 5-12m..those boots sell for roughly 7-15m. I don't have any issues at all paying my bills so I don't even know wtf that is even mentioned for..but I come here and tell you what is necessary to do this and you pretty much just admitted that you wanted to whine about the event. Also to add, this costs you $0.00. I do this on the regular with freebie r grade gear.
CL4 you need to also re read what I wrote. I never said I go around killing characters on macro. The ONLY risk to doing things this way is the people that come to pk MY MACRO characters. If I'm at my pc I fight them. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. The fact that most of you come here to complain without even putting in the effort is the bigger issue here. Although I can agree with ya on the events all being ncstore catered. Maybe some of you guys just suck at games or are too lazy to find your niche in making money!
Just to add, for those of you talking about not being able to afford your electric bill if you macro 24/7, maybe you ought to focus on grinding out some real life income instead of worrying about farming adena lol? My utility bill is generally $400-600 a month, and that's small in comparison to quite a few people I know.
And to all of the people saying.."Well it's not 2005 anymore so they should make it easier for us".. seriously? No wonder you can't get anywhere. Just like in life, things change and you either adapt or you fall off. There is no middle ground. Try using that same logic and VOICE your opinion to anyone you answer to, be it services rendered, taxes, bills, whatever you want. Then tell them, "Well, it's not 2005 anymore so it should be made easier for me." Let us all know how that works out for you.
And to all of the people saying.."Well it's not 2005 anymore so they should make it easier for us".. seriously? No wonder you can't get anywhere. Just like in life, things change and you either adapt or you fall off. There is no middle ground. Try using that same logic and VOICE your opinion to anyone you answer to, be it services rendered, taxes, bills, whatever you want. Then tell them, "Well, it's not 2005 anymore so it should be made easier for me." Let us all know how that works out for you.
The problem is it's tougher. I got far more drops in 2005 and prior than I do now. The intentional removal of some drops and the decrease in drop rate on the remaining stuff as noted in patches proves that point.
At this point I don't even see people asking for it to be easier just how it used to be.