Lineage 2 is cruel to the players

If on my example I spent my last 30 dollars to buy 20 la vie boxes, later as a result of the exchange of sales and purchase, in the end I had 15 boxes with ruby on Sunday, I wanted to make a ruby of 3 level, but all my attempts to make a ruby 3 level were unsuccessful.
I'm really hurt I just threw away my 30 bucks and did not get anything ( except to ruby 2 level, but it's a trifle)

I suggest that game developers think over these nuances and make the game more friendly for the players, at least that the player always had a choice or risk or spend 2 times more resources, but make a thing with a 100 percent chance
I personally do not like to take risks, but I have no choice.

Marketing as always.
I remember when I compounded my first lv3/lv4 jewels with no fails 3 years ago, also the jewels were around 40-50m each and not 400.

If you don't like risk, just buy a lvl 3 Ruby instead of compounding yourself.

On a sidenote:
You have been really unlucky.
I gave jewels to some of my CP members to make lv.3 Garnet/Obsidian/Diamond etc., usually 10 boxes were enough for lv3.
Only once it took 16 or 18 (dont remember) boxes for one lv.3
Myself, I tried to make Obsidian lv. 4 three years ago, used 85 boxes and ended with lvl 3.
Half year ago next try, I had 100 boxes to combine and only had to use less than 40 to get lv. 4. It's just random. I don't think chances itself have changed, at least not much from my experience.
Everything up to lv3 is relative easy/cheap, lv. 4 can be a pain, lv. 5 ... don't even try ;)

Other example:
I wanted to bless two R95 armor pieces from a CP member and had around 50 Low Chance Bless scrolls. I used them all but 2, and all of them failed.
I gave the last 2 scrolls to him to try himself. 2 scrolls, both armor pieces blessed.

Sometimes its just crazy and you can almost see the evil korean random Goblin grin at you....

27 boxes for obsidian 3, beat it

40-smthing boxes to ruby lvl 3 2 yearas ago, gj me

Me:
6 boxes for Tanza lv.3

Clannie:
80 boxes for Ruby lv. 5 ( year ago )

Lv3 is easy to make, back then and nowdays.Lv4 was always hard, hell I can even say that it's harder than lv5...
I have been lucky with these jewels though, made lv4 obsidian , lv4 diamond , lv4 perl lv4 opal, lv3 ruby and lv3 amethyst.None of these took more than 20 boxes each. That ruby lv3 failed 4 times for lv4 though and I never bothered with it again xD

Maybe if I were spending few thousand bucks on some of these sales, I could've lv5, but hey whatever came for free totally satisfy my needs.

27 boxes for obsidian 3, beat it

lrn2compound

http://i.imgur.com/cNhfMHQ.jpg

On a more realistic note, I have been tracking some compound stuff, and it seems to be:

Compounding level 1 jewels: 50%
Compounding level 2 jewels: 50%*
Compounding level 3 jewels: 25% (guessed)
Compounding level 5 jewels: 100% (public knowledge)

* might need further investigation

2x<Vital Stone Lv. 1>=1(100%)<Vital Stone Lv. 2>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Vital Stone Lv. 2>=1(100%)<Vital Stone Lv. 3>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Garnet Lv. 1>=2(50%)<Garnet Lv. 2>, 2(50%)failures
2x<Garnet Lv. 2>=1(100%)<Garnet Lv. 3>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Tanzanite Lv. 1>=3(50%)<Tanzanite Lv. 2>, 3(50%)failures
2x<Tanzanite Lv. 2>=1(50%)<Tanzanite Lv. 3>, 1(50%)failures
2x<Cat's Eye Lv. 1>=3(43%)<Cat's Eye Lv. 2>, 4(57%)failures
2x<Cat's Eye Lv. 2>=1(50%)<Cat's Eye Lv. 3>, 1(50%)failures
2x<Amethyst Lv. 1>=2(40%)<Amethyst Lv. 2>, 3(60%)failures
2x<Amethyst Lv. 2>=1(100%)<Amethyst Lv. 3>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Topaz Lv. 1>=4(80%)<Topaz Lv. 2>, 1(20%)failures
2x<Topaz Lv. 2>=1(33%)<Topaz Lv. 3>, 2(67%)failures
2x<Ruby Lv. 1>=13(52%)<Ruby Lv. 2>, 12(48%)failures
2x<Ruby Lv. 2>=3(33%)<Ruby Lv. 3>, 6(67%)failures
2x<Ruby Lv. 3>=2(100%)failures
2x<Obsidian Lv. 1>=2(100%)<Obsidian Lv. 2>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Obsidian Lv. 2>=1(100%)<Obsidian Lv. 3>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Opal Lv. 1>=17(59%)<Opal Lv. 2>, 12(41%)failures
2x<Opal Lv. 2>=5(50%)<Opal Lv. 3>, 5(50%)failures
2x<Opal Lv. 3>=1(25%)<Opal Lv. 4>, 3(75%)failures
2x<Emerald Lv. 1>=5(100%)<Emerald Lv. 2>, 0(0%)failures
2x<Emerald Lv. 2>=2(50%)<Emerald Lv. 3>, 2(50%)failures
2x<Aquamarine Lv. 1>=7(54%)<Aquamarine Lv. 2>, 6(46%)failures
2x<Aquamarine Lv. 2>=2(33%)<Aquamarine Lv. 3>, 4(67%)failures
2x<Aquamarine Lv. 3>=2(100%)failures
2x<Diamond Lv. 1>=30(55%)<Diamond Lv. 2>, 25(45%)failures
2x<Diamond Lv. 2>=10(53%)<Diamond Lv. 3>, 9(47%)failures
2x<Diamond Lv. 3>=8(100%)failures
2x<Pearl Lv. 1>=7(39%)<Pearl Lv. 2>, 11(61%)failures
2x<Pearl Lv. 2>=1(17%)<Pearl Lv. 3>, 5(83%)failures
2x<Sapphire Lv. 1>=6(40%)<Sapphire Lv. 2>, 9(60%)failures
2x<Sapphire Lv. 2>=2(50%)<Sapphire Lv. 3>, 2(50%)failures
2x<Sapphire Lv. 3>=2(100%)failures
2x<Red Cat's Eye Lv. 1>=7(44%)<Red Cat's Eye Lv. 2>, 9(56%)failures
2x<Red Cat's Eye Lv. 2>=1(17%)<Red Cat's Eye Lv. 3>, 5(83%)failures
2x<Blue Cat's Eye Lv. 1>=8(53%)<Blue Cat's Eye Lv. 2>, 7(47%)failures
2x<Blue Cat's Eye Lv. 2>=1(17%)<Blue Cat's Eye Lv. 3>, 5(83%)failures

Note: I would really need to dig up some stuff I tracked during the first events, I know it is around somewhere. But this data is still better than nothing.

Calculating e.g. diamond boxes used while tracking:
2 * 30 + 25 = 85

ArthurR, (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=244650)
Lineage 2 is no more evil, than any Casino.
You are wellcome, come gamble.
Disturbing visitors Casino make go out.
Lineage 2 make banned.

Compounding level 1 jewels: 50%
Compounding level 2 jewels: 50%*
Compounding level 3 jewels: 25% (guessed)
Compounding level 5 jewels: 100% (public knowledge)


Lv 1 -> Lv 2 = 55% Success
Lv 2 -> Lv 3 = 45% Success
Lv 3 -> Lv 4 = 20% Success
Lv 4 -> Lv 5 = 5-10%? Success

Lv 1 -> Lv 2 = 55% Success
Lv 2 -> Lv 3 = 45% Success
Lv 3 -> Lv 4 = 20% Success
Lv 4 -> Lv 5 = 5-10%? Success

Well the problem isn't the compound nor the %.
The problem is, as golemka pointed out, that in here jewel boxes' prices are insane.
If you go elsewhere the maximum price for a red cat box is 15kk=0.58 bucks.
In here for a tanzanite box you will need 700kk or 5 bucks.

To be completely honest when I see the difference I think that an ncwest employer is a drunken smuggler who is constantly repeating to himself "grab the money before the idiot knows that I'm scamming him".

No perspective at all, no marketing moves at all, just the same insane prices over and over and over.

What about enchant skill fail ? I'm 102lv eviscerator , what is chance to fail skill enchant with 90% of success 3x in a row /1>2/ ???? for me today 100% > so belive what are NC soft write for success percentage :P

O think im the only lucky one in here i made 1 ruby lv3 no fails 1 diamond lv 3 no fails and 1 emerald lv 3 no fails >,< jeez i didnt know was so hard to do them im dwarf lv 100 bounty only one who fail was tanzanite from lv 1 to 2 and Topaz from lv 2 to 3

No Is not Cruel cruel is spend 300usd in a day trying to make ++ b apo bow
to result in only 20k r crystal at last weekend :)
Enjoi the game.


Jewels? i do not have a simple lv1 ruby yet.

Well the problem isn't the compound nor the %.
The problem is, as golemka pointed out, that in here jewel boxes' prices are insane.
If you go elsewhere the maximum price for a red cat box is 15kk=0.58 bucks.
In here for a tanzanite box you will need 700kk or 5 bucks.

To be completely honest when I see the difference I think that an ncwest employer is a drunken smuggler who is constantly repeating to himself "grab the money before the idiot knows that I'm scamming him".

No perspective at all, no marketing moves at all, just the same insane prices over and over and over.

to be clear prices are always growing while pplz buying. Its a law of marketing ). it will drop down so fast if pplz stop buy. But in general u can't stop buy them because they decide who wins :))). You'r on hook my friend.

NC Soft should be required to have a gambling license. Everything about this game is about odds that are rarely in the players' favor.

I did the fishing event recently, had over 20,000 smuggled embryo chests which gave me about 4500 embryo reward box. Got a ton of useless stews but nothing of real value except enough Heine coins to buy a fancy fishing rod.

At least I got a lot of xp out of it. For the jewels, you would probably have more fun setting fire to your money and throwing out a window.

NC Soft should be required to have a gambling license. Everything about this game is about odds that are rarely in the players' favor.

it's 100% pure online gambling now and many people around with poor understanding of this cash model or just plain poor impulse control..

btw this guy wins the current price, Vood can finally pass on his crown:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=293316

To Jacky. That's true bro but noone who's not sick wants to buy a thing for 2 istead of 0.20 whatever this thing is. It's called economy and before that mental health.

To Dracke. Ehehehehhe bro ... we will need gates to beat a 3.500 bucks fail.
To be honest I have been a dum b ***. When Heine fishing event went live I purchased some baits, I have done some good xp, but I have opened something like 800 embryo boxes. Believe me the best was 1 single xp hero scroll :confused:

I will never ever open a box in here even if ncsoft says that there are 999 billions.