Do we really want this change on NCwest? The meta is different in Korea with them running around with stage 3 dragon weapons and full lv 6 jewels? Discuss..
Some background on the change, basically each time party CS/UD's/BR are used the following one after will be penalized by -25%(live in Korea)-50%(soon to be live in Korea) duration.
I hope the penalty is dropped after like a minute so we don't have to deal with that crap in pve.
Seeing how the attribute system was changed primarily to nerf PvE (and have pretty much no changes in PvP), I would expect them to additionally add a buff to raids (including daily instances) which activates once a nearby player's BR/UD/PC buff expires, giving +1000% damage to the monster for 15-30 seconds.
Been waiting patiently for this update honestly right now when majority of cps in PvP clans runs 2 tanks in a party it became quite dull and boring also with this setup it doesn't require much talent but with this upcoming update with skill penalties players can't just spam their skills whenever they want to that means 2 or more tanks in 1 pt is not viable anymore though sure you can try it but you'll be at a disadvantage for sure so overall it will all goes down to who has better skills and better at strategy making and a lot of players will most likely change class :P
Do we really want this change on NCwest? The meta is different in Korea with them running around with stage 3 dragon weapons and full lv 6 jewels? Discuss..
Some background on the change, basically each time party CS/UD's/BR are used the following one after will be penalized by -25%(live in Korea)-50%(soon to be live in Korea) duration.
this is to combat 2 tank 2 healer pvp parties, which right now is ridiculous when the dd's in those groups have even stage 1 dragon weps.
this change is needed.
Seeing how the attribute system was changed primarily to nerf PvE (and have pretty much no changes in PvP), I would expect them to additionally add a buff to raids (including daily instances) which activates once a nearby player's BR/UD/PC buff expires, giving +1000% damage to the monster for 15-30 seconds.
in korea they exploit dual tank ud's by dropping and adding tanks for pve purposes, so it will affect pve too. this is added in the way of a lingering effect much like celestial now. it will be irrelevant of pve/pvp and work on both.
This is L2, there is no such thing as meta....if you spend a lot of money, you don't need any skill, since you kill most toons 1 shot, while they take 20-30 at least to kill you.This is the closest that it comes to "meta" in L2.
There is meta in games like LoL, StarCraft , CS, DoTA...etc, where you can't overpower the others via the store, but by making superior team with great skills and coordination.
This is actually a good idea to penalize abuse of certain classes like tank chaining UDs. healers chaining purges etc etc etc.
We should have never reached such point to begin with, this is only damage control.
Not to mention the broken Feoh barrier, which is yet again something that the dev team didn't put any thought in it.But it seems they realized later and now will remove the blocking dmg and the 50% of dmg will go to your mp 50% to HP.
LOL, no more broken than fighting a stacked mage with a stage 2 dragon weapon am I right? Oh wait, you've never had to fight that so......I guess you wouldn't know :).
LOL, no more broken than fighting a stacked mage with a stage 2 dragon weapon am I right? Oh wait, you've never had to fight that so......I guess you wouldn't know :).
if ur emo about just a mere stage 2 dragon weapon then have fun with all the other stuff that's coming lol
oh and to answer the question I've fought MAX many times whom have 3 dragon weapons at sieges, duals / bow / mage weapon so yeah I know. Just cause it's a hard fight doesn't mean it can't be fought.
there will always be someone stronger / meaner / evil / richer etc. out there, can't handle that then stop playing competitive games or embrace the challenge.
if ur emo about just a mere stage 2 dragon weapon then have fun with all the other stuff that's coming lol
oh and to answer the question I've fought MAX many times whom have 3 dragon weapons at sieges, duals / bow / mage weapon so yeah I know. Just cause it's a hard fight doesn't mean it can't be fought.
there will always be someone stronger / meaner / evil / richer etc. out there, can't handle that then stop playing competitive games or embrace the challenge.
LOL, I'm sorry man, I can't resist; I'm going to destroy the totality of your post. You're just making it too easy :).
If you think my lightly sarcastic post was being emo then can you tell me what quitting because you failed 20+ AEWR's is :). Come on man, you could have bought Inhumans +16 10/10 for less than that; he would have made it a cutter for you. And, you were just trying to go +15 - +16 LOL. Also, I know this is gonna make you look like a clown but don't bother denying it, was confirmed by multiple sources in NOVA (some of them don't like you :)).
I knew you were gonna reference LOLMAX. So let me ask you something killer; how does fighting a dragon weapon party for 4 hours per month with perfect parties compare to facing 1/2/3 on a regular basis? Answer; it doesn't and, you literally wouldn't know ANYTHING about that because you simply don't PvP beyond sieges.
"embrace the challenge" ...... got to be the dumbest thing you have said for so many reasons. The simple fact that NOVA doesn't have Chronos on anything close to lock down (castles, heros, gainak, dragons, etc.) means plenty of people are "embrace(ing) the challenge." Look at Freya; irreparably dead and Dragon Weaps are a large part of that. If more "game breaking" stuff gets introduced; so be it. At least everyone will have the opportunity to acquire them.
Hey man, we have killed Pepinnio too; took 4 end game dark geared toons to kill 1 dragon weap but we did. We also made him BSOE just this morning. I guess we are EMBRACING THE CHALLENGE LMAO.
What about you little guy? Are you embracing the challenge?
There is meta in games like LoL, StarCraft , CS, DoTA...etc, where you can't overpower the others via the store, but by making superior team with great skills and coordination.
Funny examples you brought there. DotA is converging with LoL, so I guess you wanted to say they will have the same meta. Because whatever meta either has, it's gone a week after. Good luck reworking all the strategies your team has managed to come up with, these games are infamous with "here's a patch that changes literally over a hundred champions/heroes, suck it *****es".
If by CS you would imply CS:GO (I cannot deduce if the :GO omission was intentional), then just remember the #1 top tier weapon, revolver. Yes, it got changed eventually; doesn't mean the intention of introducing such things changed.
Not to mention the broken Feoh barrier, which is yet again something that the dev team didn't put any thought in it.But it seems they realized later and now will remove the blocking dmg and the 50% of dmg will go to your mp 50% to HP.
I tried to tell people #FeohIsNotGoingToBeGreatAgain; still the joke is still not on the long term feohs, but on those who rerolled and bought up +10 robes and stuff.
LOL, I'm sorry man, I can't resist; I'm going to destroy the totality of your post. You're just making it too easy :).
If you think my lightly sarcastic post was being emo then can you tell me what quitting because you failed 20+ AEWR's is :). Come on man, you could have bought Inhumans +16 10/10 for less than that; he would have made it a cutter for you. And, you were just trying to go +15 - +16 LOL. Also, I know this is gonna make you look like a clown but don't bother denying it, was confirmed by multiple sources in NOVA (some of them don't like you :)).
I knew you were gonna reference LOLMAX. So let me ask you something killer; how does fighting a dragon weapon party for 4 hours per month with perfect parties compare to facing 1/2/3 on a regular basis? Answer; it doesn't and, you literally wouldn't know ANYTHING about that because you simply don't PvP beyond sieges.
"embrace the challenge" ...... got to be the dumbest thing you have said for so many reasons. The simple fact that NOVA doesn't have Chronos on anything close to lock down (castles, heros, gainak, dragons, etc.) means plenty of people are "embrace(ing) the challenge." Look at Freya; irreparably dead and Dragon Weaps are a large part of that. If more "game breaking" stuff gets introduced; so be it. At least everyone will have the opportunity to acquire them.
Hey man, we have killed Pepinnio too; took 4 end game dark geared toons to kill 1 dragon weap but we did. We also made him BSOE just this morning. I guess we are EMBRACING THE CHALLENGE LMAO.
What about you little guy? Are you embracing the challenge?
you're trying too hard lol and it's a fact todays pvp is a joke compared to the old times, heck any time in the past be that 14 years ago or 3 years ago - sad reality of it is that it is only going to get worse.
anywayz if you watched the Oly fraps you would have seen the gear disparity can get way way worse then the current state of affairs but enjoy trying to keep up with those who don't mind spending crazy money.. if you call killing peppi atm a real accomplishment then oh boy the future you have ahead of you :)
ps, love the difference in my posts and yours - quite interesting to see ;)
max's dragon weps are stage 1 still to my knowledge...
also, the problem with freya is that anyone who is 104-105 refuses to fight under 1 clan tag to combat max, which would be very possible considering how thin they are spread during normal sieges with all the castles. this server is filled with pve4life ppl. there are maybe 25 ppl on the entire server who fight max. add in max actively recruiting members from the cp's of those 25 ppl to fix their own cp's to hit mobs more its no wonder the server is dead.
edit: as for mage dragon weps, there is no way a 105 mage fully stacked w/ dragon wep vs a 105 dagger fully stacked +16 lvl 10 sa's should be able to take 20-30 stabs to the back with their magic shield skill on, turn around, and still have enough mana to 3 shot you as if you are nothing. its a robe class with equal survivability than a tank on UD for taking damage. that is just straight up broken. i have no issue with giving a mage something for survivability. but the current method is broken. (imo there should be a chance to cancel that skill's toggle when damage is received at a certain rate or increase the amount of mana drained, but thats a discussion for another thread)
also, the problem with freya is that anyone who is 104-105 refuses to fight under 1 clan tag to combat max, which would be very possible considering how thin they are spread during normal sieges with all the castles. this server is filled with pve4life ppl. there are maybe 25 ppl on the entire server who fight max. add in max actively recruiting members from the cp's of those 25 ppl to fix their own cp's to hit mobs more its no wonder the server is dead.
Just passing by I'll give my comment on this one based on personal experience; Beating MAX in PvP is easy but thing is this even if you manage to make a clan like that of Nova or even like Equinox was back then beating MAX in PvP means nothing. For them this game is all about farming they are the only "Top" PvP Clan who doesn't shy away to playing dirty like detagging just so they can farm raids or dropping wars during dragons so they can farm it. So in order for any clan to beat MAX they have to make a clan that is willing to play dirty and do whatever it takes to "win", take everything they farm meaning you need to create a clan wherein you have many players who are no lifers who can dedicate 8-12 hrs per day to farm things :) The only clan that I can think of who can go toe to toe against the PvE mentality of MAX is DH which will happen probably in the near future :P
you're trying too hard lol and it's a fact todays pvp is a joke compared to the old times, heck any time in the past be that 14 years ago or 3 years ago - sad reality of it is that it is only going to get worse.
anywayz if you watched the Oly fraps you would have seen the gear disparity can get way way worse then the current state of affairs but enjoy trying to keep up with those who don't mind spending crazy money.. if you call killing peppi atm a real accomplishment then oh boy the future you have ahead of you :)
ps, love the difference in my posts and yours - quite interesting to see ;)
You're simply not trying hard enough! Embrace the challenge!
ps: It IS funny to see the difference between our posts :).
you're trying too hard lol and it's a fact todays pvp is a joke compared to the old times, heck any time in the past be that 14 years ago or 3 years ago - sad reality of it is that it is only going to get worse.
anywayz if you watched the Oly fraps you would have seen the gear disparity can get way way worse then the current state of affairs but enjoy trying to keep up with those who don't mind spending crazy money.. if you call killing peppi atm a real accomplishment then oh boy the future you have ahead of you :)
ps, love the difference in my posts and yours - quite interesting to see ;)
Lol, you're an idiot if you think PvP now is worse than 6 years of being ran by Zranger(2011-2016 June). Get real rofl. :rolleyes: