I guess around level 99, maybe 100 the most and then you will surely lack the gear needed for instances 100+ and random people will never take you in party with them. But if you find some friends willing to help you if they have better gear to play with you in these 100+ instances maybe you can progress a little further, but without a proper gear you will be almost all the time one shotted so it won't be fun for you, same and for the people playing with you.
Level:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can go all the way up to 105.
Gear:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast. And only, if you enjoy playing the market and if you're good at that, or if you find any other source to make adena that will work for you. By "just playing" you won't get far, gearwise.
Level:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can go all the way up to 105.
Gear:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast. And only, if you enjoy playing the market and if you're good at that, or if you find any other source to make adena that will work for you. By "just playing" you won't get far, gearwise.
You say it's possible to get tops equipment without spending real money, did you get it?
As Lineage 2 presents itself today, I say it's impossible. For you to think about getting high level equipment you need at least to have a CP with seven active players.
Lineage 2 as it is structured today, you can not even get close to who spends real money. Previously it was only Armor / Weapon / Jewel Boss.
Now you have joiais de brooches, talismans, boss jewelery, covers, accessories, dyes forteíssimas. So the game is so unbalanced there are many items that make a very big difference and it is impossible to get them without investing real money.
You fight an olympiad today becomes funny, get a player high teams you take a damage that kills you 5x joining HP and CP.
If you can not do what you said you can do, your word is meaningless.
Level:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can go all the way up to 105.
Gear:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast. And only, if you enjoy playing the market and if you're good at that, or if you find any other source to make adena that will work for you. By "just playing" you won't get far, gearwise.
how can he play the market when the market is broken????
are u for sure that rtard?
just to give op a short answer:
__u can get level99 it would take u some months, no, u ll never have pvp gear, not even from picking drop from some doushbag pk. u ll struggle/fight a hard battle just to put the top dyes on ur main toon.
far, to be honest it's all a matter of expectations.
What do you want to do?, participate in Oly and win hero? that's impossible. You will get lucky and win some rounds, (hint: some people sign in and go afk, they don't move at all as u hit them, some of them even go naked to make it faster), but that's as far as it goes.
Will you be doing instances and such? maybe some when your friends drag you along, but not many. You'll need to be happy with open field hunting at low lever zones. From 0 to 85 you don't need to put in any money at all, once you are awakened they you can get mentee gear which will take you up to 99, after that there will be no more for you in terms of gear unless you put in a long, long time.
The game is free to play, no one can say otherwise. But free to play does not equal free to win.
You can probably install the game, and log in, but beyond that... maybe lvl 95 with 3 subclasses and some very mediocre gear. Anything over that your gonna need a lot of time to level without buying ncoin, and you'll never be geared without playing the ncoin/adena market.
There are no limits for a good player. Everyone else is cheating by selling nciin or items that came from ncoin, those are the lamers.
Mixa its mmorpg . What one can do is directly depends on how much time he can afford to play in the game. One needs to decide how he wants to progress either he spend real money or he spends time playing game and farming top raids. I dont think this is cheating. Not everyone can afford to play 12 hours/day due to their real life jobs and responsibility.
Mixa its mmorpg . What one can do is directly depends on how much time he can afford to play in the game. One needs to decide how he wants to progress either he spend real money or he spends time playing game and farming top raids. I dont think this is cheating. Not everyone can afford to play 12 hours/day due to their real life jobs and responsibility.
and theres more,
if it was like 10 years ago i would prolly run around with 10 toons and farming everything on game.
today i refuse to log 2 toons.
if op have 3 pcs or another way and the will to run a party, he can do pretty well, if not, he wont go anywhere.
if mixa is saying that someone with a full party is a good players, omg.... i better stay away from mixa roflmao.
I run with Tyrr/Iss combo 99% of the time, I guess that makes it full party.Also as long as you can log 6 chars and run that party, I see no problem, if all this is done on 2 PCs, no VM, no asiwin etc.
Said it many times before, i`ve spent total of 50-60 euro on l2, which I find quite normal for such an old game and I can make 20-25b per month easy.
Jacky has a point, but l2 has never been for those who have no time for gaming, its a hardcore grind korean mmo, its supposed to take time.
Said it many times before, i`ve spent total of 50-60 euro on l2, which I find quite normal for such an old game and I can make 20-25b per month easy.
To the OP,
What Mixa isn't saying is that he has been playing for many years and has his investments and strategy's setup already. Even if he told you exactly how he did everything the way he does it and gives you advice unlimited, you could not reproduce his stated results without spending many years building up or heavily investing with USD.
To answer your question honestly, you can get to lvl 100. You can get R99 gear, and eventually you can get an R99 wep. Without loans or gifts or a bump RMT adena from your end, you wont get much else. Don't be fooled, this will take time and effort. From 0-98 is easy, 98-100 will take longer than 0-98. Around 99 or 100 you will feel your gear failing you. You will die very easily inside or raids and instances your level, and will wonder how others are so strong (its $$). The fact that it is mathematically possible to get a higher level without spending $$ undermines the probable chance that you will have quit and/or the game is shut down long before you hit 105 at that pace.
Here is a list of things you can't do, or otherwise would perform so poorly there would no enjoyment in the task, if you don't spend money.
Sieges - You will get one shot by anyone.
Olympiad - You will one shot by whales to frequently to have a shot.
CoC - Those whales mentioned above, can use pots and what not now, same story.
Open Field Raids - You can show up, but will get one shot if your lucky. Likely you will not see the boss, or will get there to watch a farmer drop it like clock work at a rate that you could not hope to match. So no drops for you there.
Farm Adena - NC west has taken the liberty to remove the ability to farm resource as a free player.
Play events - We (NCwest) have fully embraced a model where the events are played only in the NCstore. Reference the hungry horse IV survey for more details. Don't Worry, even if you do play you still lose so......
Shiny Shirts - Only available for cash, only once or twice a year. These things are OP as hell.
Broaches and the gems - Similar to the shiny shirt. Only available for cash, or an amount of adena that would require you to RMT some, so still for cash. OP as hell.
Cloaks - Same thing as broaches, this newly added abomination kicked off the recent wave of mass quitting a few months back.
To be fair, as a community we are pushing every single day for positive changes in L2 @ NCW. We always want to welcome returners and new comers. It would be very irresponsible of us to not warn you of the limitations of playing for free.
No money spent on the game: Usually, but not always, lower level, with "the best they could come up with" sets of low enchanted r-99 or worse gear, low/no + weapons.
Some money spent, but not much: Usually in low end gear, maybe +6-8 if theyre lucky. +6-10 weapon and *ok* jewels.
Spends a good amount of money: This is the majority of players. +8-10 set, usually +12 weapon and a full set of low end boss jewels. Possibly brooch jewels and/or a cloak. none of it usually very high.
Spends thousands of dollars: +12-16 weapons with good augments, all level 3+ brooch jewels, full talismans and runs rare acc packs or has good boss jewels. usually bloody/dark sets as well.
Whales: These are the people with multiple +16 weapons, high enchant cloaks, usually several high level brooch jewels (or all lvl 5/6 depending on how big a whale) Top boss jewels, everything top augmented. (think 30k+++++)
Most players you see on average have 2-4k into their toon, understand that you are up against that, and if you arent willing to do the same, you quite literally are never going to catch these people. They in turn will never get to the top end without triple/quadrupling that they have spent on their toon.
In our days you cant progress much w/o spending real money.
Depending on what class you play you lvl up faster or you get stuck in a certain lvl range(100 lvl for example).
As a damage dealer its imposible(fresh start), the necesary amount of adena to make a dd competitive in pve is huge...70-80 bil for entry mid lvl dd and more then 500 bil adena for a entry top lvl dd.
For pvp you need like 2 000 bil to be competitive.
You can play ISS or Healer, they lvl up faster 100+ and the min equip is not that hard to get...and ofc, you will not be the "king of the jungle".
i cant even imagine someone spending more than 1k into a video game and what u ppl say sounds unreal lol maybe here in bulgaria the avg money gains are really low compared to america (around 360 dollars is the minimal payment u can get here) and if u want to get payed 1,5k dollars u gotta be working in the
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first u need know if u have the 2 principal requeriments to play this game:
1) TIME
2) Money
if u think that u will get top gear w/o spending any US in few months/years u are wrong
as some1 already said, this game is a koran hard game, u will need A LOT OF TIME to get good stuff w/o money, is not hard, u just need friends + time and probably in 3-4 years u will have top gear (but probably in 4 years l2 will not exist :v)
- if u have normal time for game (play all hrs in wich u are not working/sleeping (7-8hrs per day)) and whit help of few money per month on Ncoins(30 us), with good trade/seller skills u will make probably x3-x4 that amount on adena, and u will have ur top gear fast,l2 is just a market
-if u have few time for game (3-4hrs) and dont want spend money, this game is not for u
all ppl QQ about this game cuz they want get full gear in 1-2 years w/o spnding money and time, but they dont know that around 80% of players who have end game gear, play this game since 2012, even older
but they dont have problem to open his wallet to buy a xbox one (400us) xbox one game (30 us per game), online services per month (multiplayer), good TV to play etc etc etc
Yes, it is possible IF and Only IF you play Lineage2 Full Time and you are willing to play everyday for a long period of time for farming. The Big question is Can You? or more importantly, Do You Want To? If you are in your 20s and you got lots of time, by all means, you can try; but as for the most of us with a job and responsibilities, I don't think this is advice-able. If anyone wants to play 1 and only 1 character and wants to progress in the game, here is what I suggest.
PLAY HEALER.
If played correctly, a healer doesn't get hit, shouldn't get it in the most instance fights(with the exception of AOE attacks.)
A healer can do K95, K99 Kama, AF, Tavern, Altar, CC&Baylor without getting SINGLE HIT.
1. make a healer
2. make friends
3. Be the CP Maker and be a good healer&Party leader
4. this will allow you to progress in game, not fast but in time you will have gears.
5. Be prepared, by the way, for the worst case scenarios and expect them all the time. I once did Baylor with full Requiem + Immortal party with 97+ restriction and it took 50 minutes to do Baylor...Playing the healer is boring and you will need lots of patience and the understanding heart of a Buddah.
- not that there is something wrong with Requiem + Immortal gears but it is a problem when the entire DDs are made of entirely of them. :)
At 100+ areas, healers are in great shortage(same thing with tanks but tanks need some gears) cuz everybody wants to play DD.
Yes, it is possible IF and Only IF you play Lineage2 Full Time and you are willing to play everyday for a long period of time for farming. The Big question is Can You? or more importantly, Do You Want To? If you are in your 20s and you got lots of time, by all means, you can try; but as for the most of us with a job and responsibilities, I don't think this is advice-able. If anyone wants to play 1 and only 1 character and wants to progress in the game, here is what I suggest.
PLAY HEALER.
If played correctly, a healer doesn't get hit, shouldn't get it in the most instance fights(with the exception of AOE attacks.)
A healer can do K95, K99 Kama, AF, Tavern, Altar, CC&Baylor without getting SINGLE HIT.
1. make a healer
2. make friends
3. Be the CP Maker and be a good healer&Party leader
4. this will allow you to progress in game, not fast but in time you will have gears.
At 100+ areas, healers are in great shortage(same thing with tanks but tanks need some gears) cuz everybody wants to play DD.
thanks for the advices guys i might try playing healer i really like the game playing it since i was 8 now im 16 and i can spare alot of time on it so ill give it a try thanks for helping me to realise the whole money + time model in the official L2.
you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast.
why you dont have it then since 2005? i should call you a r-word as well, but i just say here someone is picking my carrots mob drop during my farm. guess who that person is.
you can get 105 and get lets say mid-tier gear without spending single cent to game. depends on your time, game experience, trade skills and risk factor.
why you dont have it then since 2005?
lolz why should I have had it in 2005?
From 2005 on I played on/off (much more off than on) until around 1,5 or 2 years ago. Since that I'm playing without long breaks and in that time I could aquire what I would call "end game gear". I'm still very far from Top-gear, but I've enough to be able to PVP most chars on our server. All my gear was aquired IG and legit. L2Store helped a little but I never spent much.
Back on topic:
if someone has more time than I have or is simply better in playing the market, or more lucky on events/enchanting where I usually reliable fail, he can do the same and probably even faster and better and more.
i should call you a r-word as well, but i just say here someone is picking my carrots mob drop during my farm. guess who that person is.
Okay I'm guilty for stealing a carrot from the guy that tells DH where my CP is doing factions, shame on me :D
how can he play the market when the market is broken????
are u for sure that rtard?
Real L2 Life example that I am giving up because it can't be done anymore: At the beginning of the Hungry Horse event people were selling 2H Bloody runes for as low as 45m each, by the end of Hungry Horse people are selling 2H Bloody Runes for 150m each. If you bought at 45m and sell "below market" at 120m each u got a 75m profit each, now multiply that for 100 bloody runes: that's a 7.5b profit. That's how, now go find other opportunities yourself. If you want to "play the market" by selling in the AH, you're being played by the market not playing it.
thanks for the advices guys i might try playing healer i really like the game playing it since i was 8 now im 16 and i can spare alot of time on it so ill give it a try thanks for helping me to realise the whole money + time model in the official L2.
Dude, look me up in game (Chronos). We'll party sometimes and help you Xp.
lolz why should I have had it in 2005?
From 2005 on I played on/off (much more off than on) until around 1,5 or 2 years ago. Since that I'm playing without long breaks and in that time I could aquire what I would call "end game gear". I'm still very far from Top-gear, but I've enough to be able to PVP most chars on our server. All my gear was aquired IG and legit. L2Store helped a little but I never spent much.
Back on topic:
if someone has more time than I have or is simply better in playing the market, or more lucky on events/enchanting where I usually reliable fail, he can do the same and probably even faster and better and more.
Okay I'm guilty for stealing a carrot from the guy that tells DH where my CP is doing factions, shame on me :D
so end game gear is different from top gear? oh lol.
there wasnt stealing i just pointed out fact.
so end game gear is different from top gear? oh lol.
For me end game gear means I can do PVP with at least a chance to win against 95% on the server and can do all PVE stuff the game offers.
Top Gear = Those 5% I can PVP against only with zero chance to win when having end game gear ;)
But yeah everyone will have different opinion, in the end it's just words play.
if there is 100 dh and other 100 well-geared others, it makes rest 3800 ppl from server being your 95%. guess even my buffpet in twilight could manage that 95%. :rolleyes:
To the OP: there is no way to progress in this game without spending money, period. That is fine because this game is more like a hobby, so ofc you have to put money into it. Good luck building enough adena to start “playing the market”, lol. Just search the fishing thread.
Yes, it is possible IF and Only IF you play Lineage2 Full Time and you are willing to play everyday for a long period of time for farming. The Big question is Can You? or more importantly, Do You Want To? If you are in your 20s and you got lots of time, by all means, you can try; but as for the most of us with a job and responsibilities, I don't think this is advice-able. If anyone wants to play 1 and only 1 character and wants to progress in the game, here is what I suggest.
I am on my early 20s and I don't have time to play like that. People must be really stupid and irresponsible to waste tons of time in a game at this age... they should be focusing on building their own real lives. XD
(Just my opinion)
To the OP: there is no way to progress in this game without spending money, period. That is fine because this game is more like a hobby, so ofc you have to put money into it. Good luck building enough adena to start “playing the market”, lol. Just search the fishing thread.
Some are just bad in the game, oh well :o
The game used to be fine drop wise. After passing the years it was totally intended to nerf the drop, more and more promos were introduced to create a gap between players. Nowadays the game drop wise is below zero, even if you achieve a higher level without spending you wont have enough gear to compete in any kind of instance.
you get to do 99 stuff and ur stuck for ever in that 99 stuff instances because they drop absolutely nothing and new content/instances ur useless because u die in 1 hit and the crappy instances ur stuck in will bore the living **** out of you that you will do A) ebay to get where u need to be in order to progress B) quit.
hopefully ur smart and you choose B.
Real L2 Life example that I am giving up because it can't be done anymore: At the beginning of the Hungry Horse event people were selling 2H Bloody runes for as low as 45m each, by the end of Hungry Horse people are selling 2H Bloody Runes for 150m each. If you bought at 45m and sell "below market" at 120m each u got a 75m profit each, now multiply that for 100 bloody runes: that's a 7.5b profit. That's how, now go find other opportunities yourself. If you want to "play the market" by selling in the AH, you're being played by the market not playing it.
dude, exploiting one event isnt the same as play the market.
really are u guyz in that need that u need to distort everything so u can fell good about urselvs?
there isnt any excuses u can come up with to save ur ego man, the game is broken, deal with. i know we all like to play, but what are we playing exactly??? man up and face the true, the game is broken, we are here cos we are addicted, SIMPLE AS THAT.
THE MARKET IS BROKEN, the few new players are trying to buy the basics so they can just keep playing till the moment they realize they are stuck, when they face this moment, 3 things happen: they leave, they dont give a **** and keep playing for fun, they start purchase power from store.
what we can see about it here on this forum??? we got countless threads here about weapons that ppl cant sell cos the market is broken.
tons of +6 set, immortal+8, +10 apoc weapons that ppl wont sell cos they spent too much to sell for almost nothing, since ALMOST NOTHING is the amount of adena the new players have in their pockets, EVEN KOREA REALIZE THAT AND COMEUP WITH THE "UPGRADE UR GEAR THROUGH NPC".
if u guyz think that farm 10b adena by hand with 2 toons per month is feasible u are more than delusional. and i know that morons ll comeup with sell coc stones, or other crap like this. BUT HEY GUESS WHAT, U CANT FARM THESE IF U DONT HAVE BOUGHT UR GEAR YET.
again, for anyone without 100b toon, 1b by doing quests all day, salvage what u can, and make some treads on regular stuff is only feasible in 1 months of game. anyone that says the oposite is a store user and/or never played legit.
take that from a player that stop play ncwest cos staff was banning the legits and is still banning them if there is any still playing, a player that tried hard, exploited the game, glitchs, anything that game has to offer and in the end join the river of power from the store at www.lineage2.eu
i still have a toon at chronos, maybe, yeah, maybe things change so i can come back, i dont know, it doesnt hurt to have a little bit of hope.
To the OP: there is no way to progress in this game without spending money, period. That is fine because this game is more like a hobby, so ofc you have to put money into it. Good luck building enough adena to start “playing the market”, lol. Just search the fishing thread.
even exploit events isnt the same as before,
or ask to the guy with 50k embryo bait from last event (5 month ago)
the Heine Bait event is secretly online again since yesterday.
There are no limits. There are many many players who don't spend any money and have out-geared many spenders. So don't expect everything to be handed to you and cry about things. If there's will there's a way.
There are no limits. There are many many players who don't spend any money and have out-geared many spenders. So don't expect everything to be handed to you and cry about things. If there's will there's a way.
said the guy with "legit dragon weapon that he made playing without money".
btw this guy is one of the big losers in the game, u met 3 already in this thread, this miso piece of garbage, delusional seeker and another sauce.
said the guy with "legit dragon weapon that he made playing without money".
btw this guy is one of the big losers in the game, u met 3 already in this thread, this miso piece of garbage, delusional seeker and another sauce.
So much envy :o
Making adena in game is now illegal, someone report him, please, thanks.
They will have to first brainwash me with lots lsd though, because I've more than a few good sources of adena, that I won't give up so easily xD
I wonder why is Ox'bane angry in every single post, why so rude dude? :)
cos i dont like stupid ppl.
stupidity is an evil that must be eradicated, and those whales that by the way seem to playing the role of forum warriors also, create the stupidest posts in the world.
all the 3 i listed here are 3 nonfactors with tons of cash put in game FOR NOTHING. and theres more, they insist in give game advices, when THEY DONT KNOW *HIT ABOUT IT.
stupidity is an evil that must be eradicated, and those whales that by the way seem to playing the role of forum warriors also, create the stupidest posts in the world.
all the 3 i listed here are 3 nonfactors with tons of cash put in game FOR NOTHING. and theres more, they insist in give game advices, when THEY DONT KNOW *HIT ABOUT IT.
well, u know... When someone grew up with loads of money or made a bunch of cash somehow else, they usually think those papers things makes them very factor in all fields. Well, I can't blame rich pplz, a monetary system, in general, serves it's purpose, just that human being is a little bit more complex and sometimes the monetary system just fall behind it.It creates this illusion of rich person superiority in front of all who has loads of experience in the game, not only top item.
stupidity is an evil that must be eradicated, and those whales that by the way seem to playing the role of forum warriors also, create the stupidest posts in the world.
all the 3 i listed here are 3 nonfactors with tons of cash put in game FOR NOTHING. and theres more, they insist in give game advices, when THEY DONT KNOW *HIT ABOUT IT.
Ox’bane is so stupid! Uninstall Lineage 2 and go play World of Warcraft! They don’t require much money! Perfect game for you! Stop B*itching!!
It's so funny to see what the people are able to write down.
"I'm a legit one and I have spent only 50 bucks on this game in 4 years" they say. They don't say "But I wear gear that's worth 2 to 3 trillions". Hoah.
Meh i've played this crap since the closed beta, aka 13 years, and it was impossible, it's impossible, and it will be impossible to farm legally 25-30 bills x month. Unless you think that farming 25-30 bills legally does mean to open your skipe client chitchat for 2 minutes with an rmter and to punch your wallet numbers on the keyboard untill you get those 25-30 billions.
Hit the L2store button harder please.
Where can you go without spending money? lvl 85 with paulina set.
After 30 days you have to push the L2 store button to have a real tw without a real weapon. And before that you have to go to mithril mines on a daily basis just to afford your shots.
The real ******ed are the ones who think we really believe them.
Y in c1 we were used to sell charcoal for 1 billion each so now we are all rich and we can afford a 7 sign talisman for 60 billions ;) for every toon of everyone of our 3 clients.
Well 4 years ago noone could spoil the charcoal anymore. So what ?
It's so funny to see what the people are able to write down.
"I'm a legit one and I have spent only 50 bucks on this game in 4 years" they say. They don't say "But I wear gear that's worth 2 to 3 trillions". Hoah.
Meh i've played this crap since the closed beta, aka 13 years, and it was impossible, it's impossible, and it will be impossible to farm legally 25-30 bills x month. Unless you think that farming 25-30 bills legally does mean to open your skipe client chitchat for 2 minutes with an rmter and to punch your wallet numbers on the keyboard untill you get those 25-30 billions.
Hit the L2store button harder please.
Where can you go without spending money? lvl 85 with paulina set.
After 30 days you have to push the L2 store button to have a real tw without a real weapon. And before that you have to go to mithril mines on a daily basis just to afford your shots.
The real ******ed are the ones who think we really believe them.
Y in c1 we were used to sell charcoal for 1 billion each so now we are all rich and we can afford a 7 sign talisman for 60 billions ;) for every toon of everyone of our 3 clients.
Well 4 years ago noone could spoil the charcoal anymore. So what ?
This is not true my friend. I spend equaly 15$ / month for eva rune 30days. I do not run 3 bilion gear because that is exceptional power which involves dragon weapon. But I do run ~500b gear. Did 7times hero.
Hardest part is to get those ~30-40 bilions. After that you start acumulate adena much faster. Your lack of imagintion in game how to make money makes u push l2store button. Or either you are just lazy.
Few question you need to ask yourself:
1. Do you know ANYTHING about crafting ? Do you have crafter ?
2. Do you know ANYTHING about alchemy ? Do you have alchemist ?
3. Do you know ANYTHING about marketing ? Did you try negotiate for prices ?
4. Do you ask any questions experienced people about events and whats worth to do or invest to ?
YOu know ? Imagination, action. Activity.
l2store button is NOT asnwer for everything in game u know ?. So play your game and dont tell people that without l2store you cannot do anything at all.
To everyone else im sayin it is possible to make adena hell even more than 30Bil/month. all u need is consider whats your gaol and how u will get to the point u need to. Follow your actions follow your steps and do not hesitate of what u doing. Just DO IT. :)
If one day you had bad experience or something was going wrong believe me l2 world can surprise you another day. Happened like 100+ times to me and i know it will happen again.
But it is all up to you guys if you want click l2store button. And i can assure you it is nothing wrong with it. This is what keep this game running and i participate in it by paying subsciption(thats all i can afford) :) .
peace.
thx once again to point what we already said. btw 40b with a pve core toon would do but like we said too, gl making that money in first place.
with a +12weapon or 450attr weapon, cd jewells, vampiric u can solo boxes with iss and healer the moment u close the spot and setup a workout.
with that u can follow the window of pve/pvp stones = money very fast like u said.
with that u can solo instances and keep the loot for u, u can farm on places like HB alone and make a living.
BUT AGAIN, GL MAKING THAT MONEY TO START, it fits to "playing the market" too.
on ncwest blessed r99 stuff are gold, few years ago we had a routine we used to use in order to craft r95 weapon and r99 armor, everytime we got a blue DINGDINGDING we hit the spot!
but even so, like i said on other threads and maybe on this one too, i left a toon at ncwest and move to innova.