hard to fix something like this, because there is 2 forms of "hide" the legit oh **** my client is locked up and lagged to hell, blackscreen re-appear a couple seconds later, and the unlegit my cp is broken im going to "hide".
im assuming the reason this is difficult to punish is because its hard to tell the unlegit from the legit since they are basically doing the same thing. afaik the third party programs that produce hide send lag packets to the server to remove your character from play, basically the same thing that can be reproduced by porting into giran. if you have ever ported into giran, alt tabbed, come back from alt tab to find urself blackscreen, then re-appear on the opposite part of town from the gk? same thing.
all the third party program is doing is sending lag packets to the server, basically telling the server "im lagging remove me from play" this happens to people all the time in giran, massive load/lag spots ingame, unless a gm is actually looking at someone doing this kind of infraction it would be hard to track.
hard to fix something like this, because there is 2 forms of "hide" the legit oh **** my client is locked up and lagged to hell, blackscreen re-appear a couple seconds later, and the unlegit my cp is broken im going to "hide".
im assuming the reason this is difficult to punish is because its hard to tell the unlegit from the legit since they are basically doing the same thing. afaik the third party programs that produce hide send lag packets to the server to remove your character from play, basically the same thing that can be reproduced by porting into giran. if you have ever ported into giran, alt tabbed, come back from alt tab to find urself blackscreen, then re-appear on the opposite part of town from the gk? same thing.
all the third party program is doing is sending lag packets to the server, basically telling the server "im lagging remove me from play" this happens to people all the time in giran, massive load/lag spots ingame, unless a gm is actually looking at someone doing this kind of infraction it would be hard to track.
like you? hah, i crack myself up sometimes.
Thanks for letting us all know how you do it on your toons.
hey if it makes you feel better that you went red on a nutral that doesnt give a lick about you, or that will BSOE if theyve got enough time and arent 1shot, then so be it right?
idk who you feel the need to fight, thats none of my business. come after me if you must but many people who decide to fight the Nuetrals end up transferring in 2-3 days anyway. i can get back my lost exp without a hassle, and it isnt as though youre the first hardcore ebayer to buy a high level toon to pick on low level people anyway.
just so long as you understand that fighting me means youre only fighting yourself. youd likely get a better fight out of a bot tbh.
hey if it makes you feel better that you went red on a nutral that doesnt give a lick about you, or that will BSOE if theyve got enough time and arent 1shot, then so be it right?
idk who you feel the need to fight, thats none of my business. come after me if you must but many people who decide to fight the Nuetrals end up transferring in 2-3 days anyway. i can get back my lost exp without a hassle, and it isnt as though youre the first hardcore ebayer to buy a high level toon to pick on low level people anyway.
just so long as you understand that fighting me means youre only fighting yourself. youd likely get a better fight out of a bot tbh.
Technically I don't think it's possible to detect hide in logs.
It should be like: Player XX is hitting yy and yy is going into load state?
Don't think such info is in NC logs.
But you never know.
In general. Make screenshots and write to support. Hopefully, they will investigate.
If the hide is a variation of a GM command then yes, they will be able to see who's using it. If it's an injection exploit then chances are it will go unnoticed until NC know exactly what packets to sniff for.
No. Somehow (packet injection or bug abuse) players can turn on the GM hide function which allows them to talk and move around etc without being seen. It's instant and will work even in combat stance.
What is this "hide"?
Don't you mean log (logging out)?
some cheaters (cowards) has found a way to become invinsible (like GM's) on command making you unable to target or attack them. even the mobs don't attack them or damage them with AoE attacks.
some cheaters (cowards) has found a way to become invisible (like GM's) on command making you unable to target or attack them. even the mobs don't attack them or damage them with AoE attacks.
Great I bet now we have a developer thinking auto hide function for mobs is a great idea , just like his illogical idea to give every mob in game ultimate defense. What business do non Humanoid like mobs have of having Ultimate defense? About as much as a buffaloe in game using auto hide in a clear field with nothing to hide behind .
I don't think this is anything to do with the GM command, sometimes when you see someone lag they disapear for a second and re-apear a few steps back/ahead of themselves, theyve simply found a way to tell the server to stay disapeared during this lag. Like has been said it's most likely packet mis-use.
It's quite easy to fix but it needs to be done on the development side, i don't think the GM's could do much about this right now. who knows maybe the gracia final patch will put a stop to it.
Thats becuase they are not actually lagging. They are mis-using how the server handles lag/client freezes, and tricking it, sending it a constant message that the client is lagged out while still sending and receiving other information.
(this is mostly guessing, but to me it seems more likely than stealing GM functions which should be very easy to keep secure)
No. Somehow (packet injection or bug abuse) players can turn on the GM hide function which allows them to talk and move around etc without being seen. It's instant and will work even in combat stance.
That's incorrect in some ways, but nevertheless it is still packet manipulation and therefore exploiting. Hopefully the NCSoft devs understand how severe this problem is for their game and work to block or detect the programs.
The problem is the way the only existing protection (Gameguard) is set, its only on the client side so it can be disabled, some russian guy changed the files to skip / prevent Gameguard to run, other way some unfair programs will not run, the top thing is seeing the same guy doing it for AION too, and some other illegal edits for both games, and its impossible to detect who is using that, the invisible i rarelly notice the last one was someone in Apostate who talk on shout and i see the msg floating being unable to see it or target him even being very close.
The only thing imo they can do is add some keys on client and server side to check for the main expoitable files, and check for GG as well add some tool to prevent 3rd part programs to interact with the server, some run your toon to get XP, screw all the ppl who try to seeding, etc. but the top anoying one is the one who tell exacly where you are, the classes , levels, etc. and in case of fight auto use cp pots, heal pots and under certain % automatic BSOE away.
So is this fair for anyone who like or who really play the game?
Its impossible to beat them if they really want nobody will be able to even kill them once, unless some are able to 1 shot them, if they want and have money to pay for the required crap they can run like immortal robots.
The spammable CP Pots are already very anoying and should be taked out of the game imo, if you have millions to pay for them you can live longer, if you usesomething to auto use them you are a step close to immortality, and a good player will end as i feel sometimes, useless against a lot of crap.
But yeah the games who still control gold sellers, automated players have a completly support, a while ago when i did a break from L2 we found someone acting strange on other MMO, we market the ground with some things to check the percurse he was doing after die and one made a petition, in less then 15 minutes a GM showed in the place and 5 minutes later the player was banned, we got a nice greeting from him as we care about the game and the other guy would got probably a QQ over is banned account, that makes the huge difference on the MMO's, on all of them or even other kind of games, i was Clan Leader on that game and for some reason even the Clan Leader can dismiss from own Clan, i did that for mistake and after a petition i got a GM in a short time near me, he got a small talk to me to understand my action and fixed that in minutes.
I would love to see even the game cleaned from those illegit players, even if they would end reducing to half of the servers, i would love to play the game as it was designed and not the wrong way it is now, just too bad many players still say things like the bots help the market, when they dont get any idea how it would work without them, but i will not detail that, my English is not the best, and without Nc going for action on the Game issues it would be a useless explanation.
Good game to all, use the report button even if you feel is useless at least you end using the only tool avayable to make a better world.
To NcSoft, please make it work on towns or add anything, trying to report a lllliiilllillll advertising adena from town to town is **** anoying to do, and please recheck why the pm's for Gold Sellers are back as crazy again, block the **** website name soon some report its done, they can change domain name all the time, but at least they would need to do it day after day.
I don't think this is anything to do with the GM command, sometimes when you see someone lag they disapear for a second and re-apear a few steps back/ahead of themselves, theyve simply found a way to tell the server to stay disapeared during this lag. Like has been said it's most likely packet mis-use.
It's quite easy to fix but it needs to be done on the development side, i don't think the GM's could do much about this right now. who knows maybe the gracia final patch will put a stop to it.
thats what I said, has nothing to do with GM commands, it is simply a program that tells the server that you are lagging and need to be removed from play for an "x" amount of time.
server and client is always talking to eachother, and if you manipulate some of the things said between the server and client you have "hide." all they are doing is manipulating the lag packets in the server/client relationship.
you know for as much as u have given into this i've NEVER seen anyone just dissapear other than using bsoe or skill return. i would love a screenshot or video of this. cause otherwise mail this to mythbusters. it just makes no sense anyones version of how this takes place and if your not running game guard they CAN check for that. reffrence banning of oog 3rd party programs dont run game guard and how they found and banned them. but SS/video or it never happend. ill chuck it up right next to bigfoot, roswell conspiracy, and alien abductions.
you know for as much as u have given into this i've NEVER seen anyone just dissapear other than using bsoe or skill return. i would love a screenshot or video of this. cause otherwise mail this to mythbusters. it just makes no sense anyones version of how this takes place and if your not running game guard they CAN check for that. reffrence banning of oog 3rd party programs dont run game guard and how they found and banned them. but SS/video or it never happend. ill chuck it up right next to bigfoot, roswell conspiracy, and alien abductions.
you know for as much as u have given into this i've NEVER seen anyone just dissapear other than using bsoe or skill return. i would love a screenshot or video of this. cause otherwise mail this to mythbusters. it just makes no sense anyones version of how this takes place and if your not running game guard they CAN check for that. reffrence banning of oog 3rd party programs dont run game guard and how they found and banned them. but SS/video or it never happend. ill chuck it up right next to bigfoot, roswell conspiracy, and alien abductions.
Yep as was just posted above me, there is a video of this happening. Just dig around the internet and you can find more info.
not believing everything you hear isnt naieve its not being gullable. i do however believe in what i see. and well nice vid a bit crazy but i still havent seen anyone use it on phoenix. doesnt mean it wont ever happen.
not believing everything you hear isnt naieve its not being gullable. i do however believe in what i see. and well nice vid a bit crazy but i still havent seen anyone use it on phoenix. doesnt mean it wont ever happen.
No but that's more of a rule for IRL than a video game. Not to say that ppl don't tell BS stories in game, but it's still far easier to believe someone exploited software than it is to believe that someone found big foot.
Has there been any official response yet? Or is ncsoft just going to ignore the problem? It's been months now! I'm getting sick of the way this game is being mishandled.
I've made a new signature now and I'm not removing it until they fix this BS.
The chat channel probably goes through a different socket from the characters so you can send bogus packets through one socket and still chat like normal