This thread is related to the post http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=2869273&postcount=50
and the fact that all the four game accounts have been banned. I'm playing on this server and knew the players and I heard from them that the explanation was - as if the players tryed to sell their characters for real money.
I was really surprised that this could happen. I'm playing this game for a long time and riched something in the game. And now I'm really afraid that my character can be banned for nothing.
Just imagine the situation - I killed someone ingame (this is just a game) but the killed person wants a revenge but can't make it in game for some reason. The person can create an account on a lineage forum with the same nick like mine in game (You can find hundreds sites in the internet). Then he just posts an advertisment that the character is being selled.
Result -> my ban in game.
That is the fact - any person who don't like me can ban my character. Just think about it.
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What are the proofs that exactly the person that plays in the game is trying to sell the character? I can anwer - you don't have any proofs. By the way - the advertisment can be just a joke, try to attract attention or even increase their post account.
I thought we are paying for the servise - we pay for playing on the servers.
That's why we have consumer rights and can defend in court. How is NCSoft is going to prove that the characters were selled? Do you have a bill or something?
This all doesn't make any sense for me. I hope any of the responsible persons or game masters will comment my post. And I really beleave the accounts will be reopened again.
NC can ban any account at any time for any reason.
If you don't like this, you can exercise your rights as a client and stop playing.
Which also Implies: it doesn't matter if your legit or not You'll still be banned.
Also Another Implication: I'm a GM I can ban the whole server if I wanted to but instead I'm just going to toy around with peoples account
and they can't do nothing to stop me. (Not stating that I'm a GM. Basically Describing what a Human Gm with full authorization can do to anyones account at any given time)
Which also means it doesn't matter if your legit or not You'll still be banned
In addition, I'm the GM I can ban the whole server if I wanted to but instead I'm just going to toy around with peoples account
and they can't do nothing to stop me.
you know you can be banned for posting posts like that and the other idiotic posts you have made
Which also Implies: it doesn't matter if your legit or not You'll still be banned.
Also Another Implication: I'm a GM I can ban the whole server if I wanted to but instead I'm just going to toy around with peoples account
and they can't do nothing to stop me. (Not stating that I'm a GM. Basically Describing what a Human Gm with full authorization can do to anyones account at any given time)
wheres Turalyon when you need him? i have to tell him "told you so!"
This thread is related to the post http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=2869273&postcount=50
and the fact that all the four game accounts have been banned. I'm playing on this server and knew the players and I heard from them that the explanation was - as if the players tryed to sell their characters for real money.
I was really surprised that this could happen. I'm playing this game for a long time and riched something in the game. And now I'm really afraid that my character can be banned for nothing.
Just imagine the situation - I killed someone ingame (this is just a game) but the killed person wants a revenge but can't make it in game for some reason. The person can create an account on a lineage forum with the same nick like mine in game (You can find hundreds sites in the internet). Then he just posts an advertisment that the character is being selled.
Result -> my ban in game.
That is the fact - any person who don't like me can ban my character. Just think about it.
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What are the proofs that exactly the person that plays in the game is trying to sell the character? I can anwer - you don't have any proofs. By the way - the advertisment can be just a joke, try to attract attention or even increase their post account.
I thought we are paying for the servise - we pay for playing on the servers.
That's why we have consumer rights and can defend in court. How is NCSoft is going to prove that the characters were selled? Do you have a bill or something?
This all doesn't make any sense for me. I hope any of the responsible persons or game masters will comment my post. And I really beleave the accounts will be reopened again.
Don't be afraid. Your acct and their accts are not related. You must know the recent events involving those accts.
This seems more like a thread of someone looking for another angle to get these accts unbanned (again).
Don't be afraid. Your acct and their accts are not related. You must know the recent events involving those accts.
This seems more like a thread of someone looking for another angle to get these accts unbanned (again).
Well. It really looks like this.
Someone post this links and in a day all chars\accs related to this links in ban.
Can u find another explanation?
One of them was hero, i saw him on Olympiad game just before ban.
Don't think he was botting on Olympiad stadium XD
If there's other explanation then plz tell us.
Cause i wondering If I should register my game nickname on that forum before it did someone who hate me :eek:
Well. It really looks like this.
Someone post this links and in a day all chars\accs related to this links in ban.
Can u find another explanation?
One of them was hero, i saw him on Olympiad game just before ban.
Don't think he was botting on Olympiad stadium XD
If there's other explanation then plz tell us.
Cause i wondering If I should register my game nickname on that forum before it did someone who hate me :eek:
Those accts on that forum have many post. Someone would have had to register long ago as A11 and posted many time to many people over a long time period and pretended to be A11 all of that time.
OR
Someone would have had to of hacked all of their forum accts and their L2 accts (they had to know what levels skills were learned to and the exact gears that were on those chars) then posted on their forum accts.
I wouldn't think that the accts were banned for botting, I'd think that they were breaking the EULA by being sold this time.
Those accts on that forum have many post. Someone would have had to register long ago as A11 and posted many time to many people over a long time period and pretended to be A11 all of that time.
OR
Someone would have had to of hacked all of their forum accts and their L2 accts (they had to know what levels skills were learned to and the exact gears that were on those chars) then posted on their forum accts.
I wouldn't think that the accts were banned for botting, I'd think that they were breaking the EULA by being sold this time.
Use common sense.
BTW character A11 wasn't banned.
And as for gangzta that list of equip wasn't true.
But look, for example: Tellos, he didn't post a lot, and his forum name has nothing to do with game. Only in info: ZuulZar, But i can do it too, anyone can do in info any nickname he want, and it doesn't mean it's true.
Let's test - u'll tell me ur ingame nick, i'll look at u ingame, lets say u r middle archer: Drac Bow Focus, Drac set, AQ, Tateo. I can guess. If we pvp i can say how much + ur stun or some skills. (If I played with u in one server i will eventually know ur subclass and other things)
And i will post in that forum with ur nickname in info and look if u will be banned.
U just don't understand that all this characters r really good known on Luna server.
It's not hard to know skills of such popular characters (i always get Seal of Suspension +13 from Zuulzar )), not hard to know their equip and lvl (cause they fraps a lot and u can see it in movie).
The fact they didn't even think they should keep silence about it!
From hero shout u can know everything, even who get jewelry from Epic boss. Cause it posted for all like: GZ Baikal with Frintezza Neckl. When hero enchant something (like +6 set or weapon +13) or skills (Like: GZ me with Stun +20), they brag about it in hero shout, why not?
P.s. All i want to know is the reason. Were they banned because of forum or not.
P.s. All i want to know is the reason. Were they banned because of forum or not.
GM's (I think Spam) have said in the past that they will never take action against someone for anything said on 3rd party forums, since they can't identify who it is with certainty. It's come up with Blah in the past, where many people will openly admit to botting while including their char names in their sig. GM's won't act just on that type of information, they'd have to make the same admissions on official forums or get caught botting in game to be banned.
yes. you can be banned for nothing. no reason at all. will you get banned because someone pretends to be you on a game forum? i very much doubt it. this is all speculation but, there are two things that tip GMs off to account selling, neither of them is some random forums no one reads. the first is the location, if you play in seatle washington for 2 years then suddenly move to sydney australia, this will not in itself indicate a ban. also, if your payment method changes such that you have a different name attatched to your payment method, this by itself probably does not indicate a ban. its when you have both that it becomes probable. i imagine there are all kinds of ways the big fish use, to avoid being caught, but that doesnt mean they arent trying to catch the big fish. see, big fish wasnt born big. big fish is just a fish, that knows how not to get caught.
Don't you think GM's are smart enough to actually contact person on MSN and ask for price or more pictures of the character? Player have no idea what is in the other end of the screen and sends screens. As a result: Account status: Banned.
Btw I'm also reading goha.ru because it's quite informative site if you know what are you searching. In some cases ppl just post screens lol from it's self. It's the strongest proof you could ever ask. Good example is this (http://forums.goha.ru/showpost.php?p=5710620&postcount=1) where dude added tons of screenshots with it.
Another strong proof is their info about skill OE. Ofc you can post info about debuffs/stuns etc but there're a lot of other skills that only master of the account may know. All GM's have to do is just check if 90% of named skills are correctly OE'd. If yes: BANHAMER
I'm actually glad to see that GM's took that issue seriously and banned accounts. Members of goha.ru are enough stupid to post a lot of information that could be checked and account banned. I assume that you're owner of one account banned.
It looks like our game masters didn't see at those detales when they banned them.
Why should I prove that it is not me who posted this? Why should I be afraid that I can be banned forewer? Have you ever seen what NCSoft answers when you try to ask them something? this is like a wall: "You breaked EULA for ..., the ban is final and canot be reviewd ets. You can ask them 5-10 times - everytime the same robo answer. You just can't imagin how difficuld to explain them something.
Suppose I can prove that this is not my posts, that this is not me who have this acount on goha. Suppose I'll prove this. But how about the time that I was out of the game? In the game there are ppl that can greatly influence the game: ally leaders during sidges or oly farmers last week of a month. I'm sure 7 days timecard and excuses won't be a proper compensation for a week ban.
I'm sorry, but...
If you take 5 minutes of your time to read the EULA of this game, all your questions will be answered. There is no need to hint at conspiracies or create elaborate theories about how or why someone could be banned.
NC has the right to ban you for no reason at all. You agree to that each time you start the game. It may sound illogical but that's the way it is, if you don't like it, don't play.
I'm sorry, but have look at the time of creation of those posts, do you really think that skill enchants and equip can be the same now?
You don't need identical match. As I said if information is about 80% correct account may be banned.
Moreover there're a lot of iformation besides gear and skill OE
For example: subs and level.... I've many enemies but I don't know what subs they play, what sub skills they have and how much subs they have. All needed information you can find on goha...
Stop thinking reasons... because there're enough information in those posts that accounts could be banned.
You don't need identical match. As I said if information is about 80% correct account may be banned.
Moreover there're a lot of iformation besides gear and skill OE
For example: subs and level.... I've many enemies but I don't know what subs they play, what sub skills they have and how much subs they have. All needed information you can find on goha...
Stop thinking reasons... because there're enough information in those posts that accounts could be banned.
You don't know what you are talking about : there is not enough information. I knew the character with nick gangzta and the list of gear that was in the post is absolute fake. The gear list is really far from the reality.
Angel Slayer+3 150 Wind Augment celestial
Draconic Bow+3 150 Fire Augment +40 Critical
drac la set+5 240 Dark
Ring of baium+5
Ring of ant queen+5
Zaken earing+5
Earing of Orfen+5
Tateossian Necklace+6 Augment stun p.def
This is more than enough. Ofc levels may be higher now but as you said ''look at the creation of the posts'' it was 2 months ago or so.... Some of his gear may already be sold..
I fully understand you(your friend w/e) you've invested in your character quite a lot of money. For baium and queen ant you probably payed xxxx$ and because your account been banned you lost them.
You just prooved my thought - you don't have to know exact information if you want to ban someone - just make an advertisment with aproximate info
As I said things are changing in this game and don't pretend stupid. There're a lot of information about player that should be knonw by player mostly. Levels/subs/gear/skills OE. Ofc over the time this changes but overall it's enough informative.
EDIT Also there's posibility that character has been banned for botting or anyother violation of EULA.
This is more than enough. Ofc levels may be higher now but as you said ''look at the creation of the posts'' it was 2 months ago or so.... Some of his gear may already be sold..
I fully understand you(your friend w/e) you've invested in your character quite a lot of money. For baium and queen ant you probably payed xxxx$ and because your account been banned you lost them.
Why do you think hero should not be banned?
As I said things are changing in this game and don't pretend stupid. There're a lot of information about player that should be knonw by player mostly. Levels/subs/gear/skills OE. Ofc over the time this changes but overall it's enough informative.
EDIT Also there's posibility that character has been banned for botting or anyother violation of EULA.
Are you stupid? Let's take a random post from blah forum:
this is a post of ally oly farmer - PK 81 - at the end of the post what you can see? Yes right - he enumerates all his lvls/subs.
Not so difficult to get a list of skills enchants, at least aproximately - when the PK will stun you - you will see exact lvl of the stun. On the whole - most skills enchants you can see when ppl is on oly arena.
Gear - what the proplem ? just wright what you see - FB +9 IC set +3 frint AQ and you will be aproximatly right.
Added: you can make even a list of augmentations just looking at the PK at oly - not a problem.
I lol'd. Found one on blah which post his subs/lvl on his sig and you say random poster? I've checked like 5 ppl who're actively posting on blah and couldn't find info on their subs or their lvl's.
OE'd skills: You can only see OE'd debuffs but how can you see other OE'd skills?
OE'd gear: you can't see it also. Moreover you definetly can't see what rings or how much OE'd they're.
Augmentations: +40 crit augment is pretty much accurate, don't you think so?
P.S. THERE's ALWAYS POSIBILITY THAT YOUR CHARACTER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR TOTALLY DIFFERENT REASON. FOR EXAMPLE BOTTING! WHY DO YOU REFFER TO GOHA?
P.P.S Don't you think GM's contacted owner of an account and pretended like they wan't to buy it?
I lol'd. Found one on blah which post his subs/lvl on his sig and you say random poster? I've checked like 5 ppl who're actively posting on blah and couldn't find info on their subs or their lvl's.
OE'd skills: You can only see OE'd debuffs but how can you see other OE'd skills?
OE'd gear: you can't see it also. Moreover you definetly can't see what rings or how much OE'd they're.
Augmentations: +40 crit augment is pretty much accurate, don't you think so?
P.S. THERE's ALWAYS POSIBILITY THAT YOUR CHARACTER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR TOTALLY DIFFERENT REASON. FOR EXAMPLE BOTTING! WHY DO YOU REFFER TO GOHA?
P.P.S Don't you think GM's contacted owner of an account and pretended like they wan't to buy it?
May be this is not a very random post - but it is strongest oly farmers - and it would be the first who can be banned cause many ppl want to be hero.
when you see the oly as observer you can see all his self bufs also - ud enchant for example, 81 skills etc.
and in general 81 lvl character can have predicteble skill enchants - +9 - +15, no matter if the is small mistake.
ok I will write he has +7 FB - may be for the last days he put aditionally 2-3 enchants in it))
about augmentations - you can guess in what weapon he has f.e. celestial, refresh, reflekt damage etc. exactly theese skiils are more important - and no problem to see in what weapon exactly.
I even bolded questions that I would like to hear you answers...
I didn't answer cause in the first post of the topick I wrote the following:
I'm playing on this server and knew the players and I heard from them that the explanation was - as if the players tryed to sell their characters for real money.
And i will post in that forum with ur nickname in info and look if u will be banned.
You surely will, and thats why you decide to steal my 2 years old goha.ru account, that was blocked, case I never used it. Asking Goha about let you register this nick, saying it is for your little sister... How pathetic...
Произошла ошибка при регистрации аккаунта, по ошибке сначала вписали 1999г.р. вместо 1990, когда запросили емайл опекуна, вернулись и исправили год рождения, но это не помогло.
В итоге аккаунт сейчас ограничен, можно ли это исправить? (просто в поле мыло опекуна вписали мое, т.к.сестра не поняла что именно ей там писать ><)
Аккаунт Arisanna, если можно удалите.
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Translation for lazy ppls:
I got a mistake with account registration, we add date of birth 1999 instead of 1990, and when they ask for email or parental person, we come back and change date of birth, but it didnt helped.
As result account got blocked, can you please fix it? (we feld in parental email with my email, case my sister didnt understood what exactly she need to type><
Please delete account Arisanna.
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Date of Post: 10.04.2009
NOW TELL ME SOMEONE WHY HIS LITTLE SISTER NEED GOHA FORUM ACCOUNT IF SHE CANNOT EVEN READ REGISTRATION FORM. YEAH AND NOT JUST AN ACCOUNT, BUT ACCOUNT WITH MY NAME.
This all went in HGMspam personal mail very same day when it happend. So, I dont care what you will type from it, and how. I dont care about my ingame account neither, or anything on it. I`m "low lvl noob". What I do care is everybody know how pathetic and hypocrite you are.
So you was the one who made all those posts for ban all kinds of random people, who had totally no clue at all?
1. Esc Dude make protest in ADEN like Teddy Bears did
2. Put Ticket Number on Goha , Your friends can mass petition , Like Teddy Bears Did
3. Make Protest on this Forum , like Teddy Bears Did.
But You Will need a lot of ppl to do This not 5 or 6, like Silent said can bring 800 ppl here to "spam".
I'm Sorry that gangzta got banned, You see how its look like
Heroes of Teddy Bears Got unbanned
Hero of T Got Banned
1. Esc Dude make protest in ADEN like Teddy Bears did
2. Put Ticket Number on Goha , Your friends can mass petition , Like Teddy Bears Did
3. Make Protest on this Forum , like Teddy Bears Did.
But You Will need a lot of ppl to do This not 5 or 6, like Silent said can bring 800 ppl here to "spam".
I'm Sorry that gangzta got banned, You see how its look like
Heroes of Teddy Bears Got unbanned
Hero of T Got Banned
Hamurabi LAW ? or justice ?
I'm from TB and have with gangzta two way war. But in general the situation can touch everyone in the game on any server. I'm sure the advertisment post with gangzta was just a joke. Can't say the same about others - don't know them well.
Translation for lazy ppls: Hoshi no Koe
I got a mistake with account registration, we add date of birth 1999 instead of 1990, and when they ask for email or parental person, we come back and change date of birth, but it didnt helped.
As result account got blocked, can you please fix it? (we feld in parental email with my email, case my sister didnt understood what exactly she need to type><
Please delete account Arisanna.
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Date of Post: 10.04.2009
That is quite funny, he is asking gm to delete the account Arisanna because it was signed up with the wrong birthdate...
I wonder why this issue just comes up on friday... lol
It looks like our game masters didn't see at those detales when they banned them.
Why should I prove that it is not me who posted this? Why should I be afraid that I can be banned forewer? Have you ever seen what NCSoft answers when you try to ask them something? this is like a wall: "You breaked EULA for ..., the ban is final and canot be reviewd ets. You can ask them 5-10 times - everytime the same robo answer. You just can't imagin how difficuld to explain them something.
Suppose I can prove that this is not my posts, that this is not me who have this acount on goha. Suppose I'll prove this. But how about the time that I was out of the game? In the game there are ppl that can greatly influence the game: ally leaders during sidges or oly farmers last week of a month. I'm sure 7 days timecard and excuses won't be a proper compensation for a week ban.
Quit whinning like a little baby. Play the game legit and enjoy yourself or quit. If your legit the only thing you have invested in this game is time and the monthly fee for the account. The monthly fee is for access to the game and your time is voluntary. Other than that there is no value in anything you have done in game except to yourself. If it all goes away tomorrow then oh well it was fun while it lasted.
However assuming everything you have done in this game has some monitary value in a secondary market will make you perinoid. This is what has really ruined online games. To many people assume that thier toon/accounts are worth some arbitrary value in the secondary market, therefore creating a false sence of insecurity.
Look it's a game you pay to play. Nothing and I mean nothing on your account is yours it all belongs to NcSoft. If you are so afraid you might get banned just for playing the game and making some other player mad it's time for you to move on. THis crap on here is really getting to be rediculas. THis game has been out for 4 years now and anyone who has been playing it for a while now knows whats up. It's not going to change because of anything posted on these forums or any other supposed discussion on here.
Quit whinning like a little baby. Play the game legit and enjoy yourself or quit. If your legit the only thing you have invested in this game is time and the monthly fee for the account. The monthly fee is for access to the game and your time is voluntary. Other than that there is no value in anything you have done in game except to yourself. If it all goes away tomorrow then oh well it was fun while it lasted.
However assuming everything you have done in this game has some monitary value in a secondary market will make you perinoid. This is what has really ruined online games. To many people assume that thier toon/accounts are worth some arbitrary value in the secondary market, therefore creating a false sence of insecurity.
Look it's a game you pay to play. Nothing and I mean nothing on your account is yours it all belongs to NcSoft. If you are so afraid you might get banned just for playing the game and making some other player mad it's time for you to move on. THis crap on here is really getting to be rediculas. THis game has been out for 4 years now and anyone who has been playing it for a while now knows whats up. It's not going to change because of anything posted on these forums or any other supposed discussion on here.
Play the game the best you can or move on.
I'm not whinning, I'm trying to attract an attention to the problem.
Let me make an analogy with lineage2.
Suppose you buy a ticket for a train to go from one city to another. Ofcz you are free to go or not. But you sit in the train and start moving.
In ten minuts ticket collector appeares and asks you to move out the next station cause someone don't like your face. What are you going to do? To say the same words you said abow? Go out the next station and buy a new ticket? Or what?
Lineage is a service, we pay for this service. We keep the rules and want to "leave the train" whenever WE want, but not someone else.
I've tried to read through this mess and I still can't see what the "problem" is that you keep referring to.
The problem is that GM's are banning suspected cheaters? I don't agree that's a problem.
As for the earlier comment that one banned person was a hero---lmao--you have GOT to be kidding, right?
The GM's could ban EVERY hero and not mistakenly catch more than 3-4 legit players!
Idk if these folks are pure as new fallen snow or cheat every time they log in--nor do I care. "Most" L2 players have been yelling, raging, ranting, demanding that "something be done about cheating" for years.
Well, "something" IS being done--and inevitably there will be a mistake or two. At least one of which was recently corrected by GM's!
I'd rather have the GM's ban left and right indiscriminately and make one mistake per week than have them do nothing at all.
The message is finally going out from GM's "you cheat--we'll catch you"....not a surprise to me that many L2 players are starting to get nervous. They SHOULD be nervous (lol).
First, I am glad a GM banned them whatever they are innocent or not, sorry but at this point I rather have them ban randomly that do nothing at all, and your right they dont have 100% proof enough to ban these people probably, but one doubt in their mind should be enough.
What I will not happy is that the next week these people get unbanned and get free timecards... they already did it one time and public openly admit it, two will be just too much fail from NCsoft part.
You see the head GM came to the forum saw the mess his GMs were doing, saw the countless posts concerning bots, and saw one post in particular about people trying to sell their accounts and decide to take matters into his own hands, GOOD! finally...
However I have one question to the head GM, could you please add a section in the forums (SUB FORUM) to post toons names and pictures about cheaters and not been againts the forum rules? in a way it doesnt get lost that data. And be the only area to comment about botting, cheating? Or give us the proper way using an email follow by picture attachments of the so called cheaters, like [email protected], because honestly the bot report button doesnt work, because there are not enough GM's to answer them.
I understand that you dont want to openly admit that people cheat and bot in lineage 2, and that may the main reason you dont post how many people you banning every day, however just google it and you will see where lineage 2 stands for when it comes to botting/cheating. Why not make a list without names, levels of people you banning, so we can get an idea of what is been done. Hope you understand some trust has to be gain from your legit customers in order to support this game and the staff.
Deal Head GM?
If you are not ready for a commitment with your clients, I will understand it and probably should quit the game if that is the case thought.
I'm not whinning, I'm trying to attract an attention to the problem.
Let me make an analogy with lineage2.
Suppose you buy a ticket for a train to go from one city to another. Ofcz you are free to go or not. But you sit in the train and start moving.
In ten minuts ticket collector appeares and asks you to move out the next station cause someone don't like your face. What are you going to do? To say the same words you said abow? Go out the next station and buy a new ticket? Or what?
Lineage is a service, we pay for this service. We keep the rules and want to "leave the train" whenever WE want, but not cause someone else forced us to
You bring up a interesting point. GMs (whether they use automated responses or not) are Human -simple as that-. Humans make mistakes and Humans can have either "bad intentions" or "good intentions." With that being said GMs can/may discriminate anyone in-game or real life (we call this profiling). In essence, if a player was playing legit and a GM was playing the game (which they're not suppose to be doing) and was in a clan and took the clan's side. Already off the bat that GM is prone to discriminating people and is subject to having "feelings/thoughts" (good/bad) about his/her enemy. Thus leading to bans and/or suspensions.
The point -if its hard to understand- is GMs do/can/may discriminate anyone anytime. Now you’re going to wonder, why didn't he/she discriminate my account? I'm still playing legit or not or w/e? Probably the only reason no action was taken against your account was:
(1) Your not as well known
(2) You haven't harassed or killed anyone the GM favors
(3) You haven't joined any clan which is subjected to profiling
(4) You are not as active in political affairs in-game
etc.
These are some reasons why. This also explains why GMs haven't been banning bot trains. Sure a GM will say "we're making an example out of you" but again if that’s the case that GM has just discriminated/profiled you and/or just basically doesn’t like you and decided because I have the power to ban and no one will think twice about it “its okay!”
In addition, to all that I said this is another reason why GMs need to be fired or be re-evaluated for there positions as GM. Why?
(1) GMs aren't suppose to take sides within the game.
(2) GMs aren't suppose to help specific individuals.
(3) GMs aren't suppose to discriminate/profile a player and/or harass.
(4) GMs aren't suppose to be playing out of office the game Lineage 2 because they are subject to 1-3.
These are the core reasons as to why revaluation for job positions is necessary.
Btw if you where discriminated in any way in-game and out of game via customer support or the unwillingness to co-operate related to a issue in Lineage 2 or any game for that matter here are some attorneys you may want to get a hold of:
All Offices are Legit and do handle Discriminatory cases.
The organization you can talk to file complants aganist a bussiness for poor practice and/or service is: http://www.bbb.org/us/
Don't take all this lightly all these things stated are a serious matter.
If NCsoft isn't willing to wake up and help give there own customers good service then its up to you to make it happen.
...great. so now whenever GMs ban a EULA violator in thier own game, they have to go through the ACLU first? or they have to make sure that they ban the same number of dwarves as dark elfs? i can see the load screen factoid already: "NCSoft is an equal opportunity banner. If we ban you, we do so without regard to race, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, religion, maturity level, or intelligence quotient."
...great. so now whenever GMs ban a EULA violator in thier own game, they have to go through the ACLU first? or they have to make sure that they ban the same number of dwarves as dark elfs? i can see the load screen factoid already: "NCSoft is an equal opportunity banner. If we ban you, we do so without regard to race, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, religion, maturity level, or intelligence quotient."
LAW > GM (simple as that.) NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW NOT EVEN A GM. IF you want to validate a BAN best back it up with evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she broke the EULA. Otherwise that person you "suspect" of banning is just going to be let loose once again.
EXAMPLE: LUNA 9 man team banned then unbanned. (Reasons: Unknown.)
LAW > GM (simple as that.) NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW NOT EVEN A GM. IF you want to validate a BAN best back it up with evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she broke the EULA. Otherwise that person you "suspect" of banning is just going to be let loose once again.
EXAMPLE: LUNA 9 man team banned then unbanned. (Reasons: Unknown.)
So you tell me now how GMs are not corrupt?
I'm sorry, please learn something about the law before posting such drivel. There is no concept of reasonable doubt here, if you took it to court the requirement is only a preponderence of evidence. If you got banned for violating the EULA, you have no case for discrimination, you violated a contract and NC decided to terminate the contract in response. A GM has no requirement to make any evidence public unless it goes to court.
As to the rest of this thread, OP, GM's have long had a policy to not take any action against someone for anything posted on a 3rd party website. Unless they've reversed this policy, your friends were not banned for anything said on goha.ru. Most likely, they were just banned for botting like the hundreds of other accounts and they/you are making up a sob story because you don't like it, you've provided no evidence at all for your story.
LAW > GM (simple as that.) NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW NOT EVEN A GM. IF you want to validate a BAN best back it up with evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she broke the EULA. Otherwise that person you "suspect" of banning is just going to be let loose once again.
EXAMPLE: LUNA 9 man team banned then unbanned. (Reasons: Unknown.)
GM's (I think Spam) have said in the past that they will never take action against someone for anything said on 3rd party forums, since they can't identify who it is with certainty. It's come up with Blah in the past, where many people will openly admit to botting while including their char names in their sig. GM's won't act just on that type of information, they'd have to make the same admissions on official forums or get caught botting in game to be banned.
Then explain why 9 players on Luna Server got unbanned after getting banned? After +100 players did a mass petition? you find that a justifiable cause to unbanned a player? W/e Spam said in the past he's obviously not living up to his word.
Spam is one GM out of many, in short, that's GM Spams case but can he vouch for all his other colleagues. Can he verify and say 100% that none of his colleagues are corrupt and/or playing this game to serve a specific individual or a group of individuals. The most likely answer is no. Because as you can see to what happen to those 9 players from luna they all got unbanned.
NCsoft West/NA has power over GM employees - they can fire if they feel that they are damaging the company in anyway.
NCsoft is NOT law. There boundaries are limited to what the EULA states. Beyond that, customers have the option to choose whether or not to fight back what they feel is not right.
The person who is law over the company is:
Chairman, President, and CEO Kim Tack Jim
GM Represent NcSoft But in no way shape or form "is" NcSoft.
im not quite sure how you went from "zomg im so ascared that im gonna lose my hard-earned legit character" to "zomg all GM are curruptigated cuz this one time they didnt have any proof to ban someone, so they didn't!" also, i'd be careful if i were you, posting the names of NCSoft employees, cuz slanderosity on the official boards can lead to a ban. or are you going to argue that someone hacked your board account and posted all this redicalus stuff under your account name, in an effort to get you banned?
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You may not post or communicate any player's real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Lineage II game or on the official Lineage II website.
You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.
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You may not impersonate any NC Interactive or NCsoft employee.
You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations.
You may not market, promote, advertise, or solicit within the Lineage II game or on the official Lineage II website.
You may not modify any part of the Lineage II Client, Server, or any part of the official Lineage II website.
You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Lineage II account.
You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling items for cash or trading items from one server to another.
You may not arrange for the exchange or transfer of any pirated or illegal software while using the Lineage II game or website.
You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in Lineage II or on the Official Website.
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You may not provide false information or intentionally hide any information when registering for your Lineage II account.
You may not upload or transmit on Lineage II or the official Lineage II website any copyrighted content that you do not own all rights to without the express written permission of the author or copyright holder.
You will not attempt to interfere with, **** into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Lineage II.
You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://support.lineage2.com/ (http://www.plaync.com/us/support/prod_10.html).
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im not quite sure how you went from "zomg im so ascared that im gonna lose my hard-earned legit character" to "zomg all GM are curruptigated cuz this one time they didnt have any proof to ban someone, so they didn't!" also, i'd be careful if i were you, posting the names of NCSoft employees, cuz slanderosity on the official boards can lead to a ban. or are you going to argue that someone hacked your board account and posted all this redicalus stuff under your account name, in an effort to get you banned?
1) This isn't my thread
2) This post ties in with the other 2 threads.
3) GMSpam isn't a name its a title which the employee gave to himself
- The person behind the title is not willing to share his/her name. So it can be anyone for that matter.
4) I'm not saying anything slanderous (if I did cite it I'll be more than happy to elaborate more.)
5) Try to spell check so I can understand.
6) I haven't placed any Names on anything besides what Pearlene told me on a different thread of the account she had before her ban.
7) it went from omg I'm scared that my account will get banned to GMs are corrupt because everything is related and that you better be scared if they are selectively serving specific individuals to ban certain players then unban others.
...so, do you really feel so strongly about this that it justifies using multiple forum accounts to open multiple threads on the same issue?
i didnt say "slanderous" i said "slanderosity", please try to keep up.
if you feel as though you are not doing anything wrong, then by all means, continue.
...so, do you really feel so strongly about this that it justifies using multiple forum accounts to open multiple threads on the same issue?
i didnt say "slanderous" i said "slanderosity", please try to keep up.
if you feel as though you are not doing anything wrong, then by all means, continue.
Of course I'm not doing anything wrong. But you feel as though I did but again I'm willing to back up every statement I make.
Lol I use multiple forums accounts I only have 1.
What are you now a GM? read rules of conduct:
6. You may not impersonate any NC Interactive or NCsoft employee.
It completely agree with the thread author. It becomes terrible to play. It turns out to me can revenge for won PvP only having created a theme at that forum about sale of mine charter? I am am frightened by such state of affairs.
You surely will, and thats why you decide to steal my 2 years old goha.ru account, that was blocked, case I never used it. Asking Goha about let you register this nick, saying it is for your little sister... How pathetic...
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Translation for lazy ppls:
I got a mistake with account registration, we add date of birth 1999 instead of 1990, and when they ask for email or parental person, we come back and change date of birth, but it didnt helped.
As result account got blocked, can you please fix it? (we feld in parental email with my email, case my sister didnt understood what exactly she need to type><
Please delete account Arisanna.
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Date of Post: 10.04.2009
NOW TELL ME SOMEONE WHY HIS LITTLE SISTER NEED GOHA FORUM ACCOUNT IF SHE CANNOT EVEN READ REGISTRATION FORM. YEAH AND NOT JUST AN ACCOUNT, BUT ACCOUNT WITH MY NAME.
This all went in HGMspam personal mail very same day when it happend. So, I dont care what you will type from it, and how. I dont care about my ingame account neither, or anything on it. I`m "low lvl noob". What I do care is everybody know how pathetic and hypocrite you are.
So you was the one who made all those posts for ban all kinds of random people, who had totally no clue at all?
Rofl ))
It was all i wanted to see, wanted to teach u a lesson, that's why when my sister was thinking about nick I offer urs and she likes it.
So now u understand that forums means nothing?
Everyone can take ur nick if it's free on any forum!
BTW U didn't have account on Goha, my sister easily registered ur nick. Is it forbidden to take free nickname?
If u had account what was blocked, when what's with date of register?
p.s. Don't worry she don't play l2, and won't post anything about it, she only play singleplayers jrpg.
We'll not drop so low as u.
Rofl ))
It was all i wanted to see, wanted to teach u a lesson, that's why when my sister was thinking about nick I offer urs and she likes it.
So now u understand that forums means nothing?
Everyone can take ur nick if it's free on any forum!
BTW U didn't have account on Goha, my sister easily registered ur nick. Is it forbidden to take free nickname?
If u had account what was blocked, when what's with date of register?
p.s. Don't worry she don't play l2, and won't post anything about it, she only play singleplayers jrpg.
We'll not drop so low as u.
dude, you already been caught and called on your ********
best to just not say anything from this point on, it just makes u look worse =)
the LAW no matter what country you are in mean nothing in a game.
in game there is only one set of rules that aplies and that is the EULA
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As I understand - the company is registered in USA and follows USA law. And you as a customer can declare against the company accordig to the law of USA state where the company is located.
I'm sorry, please learn something about the law before posting such drivel. There is no concept of reasonable doubt here, if you took it to court the requirement is only a preponderence of evidence. If you got banned for violating the EULA, you have no case for discrimination, you violated a contract and NC decided to terminate the contract in response. A GM has no requirement to make any evidence public unless it goes to court.
As to the rest of this thread, OP, GM's have long had a policy to not take any action against someone for anything posted on a 3rd party website. Unless they've reversed this policy, your friends were not banned for anything said on goha.ru. Most likely, they were just banned for botting like the hundreds of other accounts and they/you are making up a sob story because you don't like it, you've provided no evidence at all for your story.
I'll try to contact the banned persons and let them write here the ban reason.
Fact still remains that you can't collect enough accurate information about char and it's rly too hard and time consuming. Simply it is not worth your time no matter how much you hate your enemy.
Another thing is that I never met obessed guy who would like to collect so much information just to ban some1.
And the last most important thing is that no1 was even considering posibility that NC will actually take actions agains account sellers who are posting on goha.ru. With 100% confirmation(YES 100%) I can say that all accounts listed on goha.ru was posted by account owners.
Fact still remains that you can't collect enough accurate information about char and it's rly too hard and time consuming. Simply it is not worth your time no matter how much you hate your enemy.
Another thing is that I never met obessed guy who would like to collect so much information just to ban some1.
And the last most important thing is that no1 was even considering posibility that NC will actually take actions agains account sellers who are posting on goha.ru. With 100% confirmation(YES 100%) I can say that all accounts listed on goha.ru was posted by account owners.
(Suppose) I don't care if they are guilty or not.
But imagine if those players won't be unbanned. Ppl will get that this method of opposition works and possibly we will see soon the new topicks about characters that are banned for nothing.
That's why, to my mind all the characters from the current list must be unbanned (no matter, are they guilty or not).
All I could say is just lol dude.... You have no clue how this game works what so ever... In my opinion you're random botter who botted you *** up to lvl 82 bought baium(if clan would give you baium in most cases you would have to return it)/QA and other fancy gear. In other words you've invested a lot of money in your toon and was hoping to get them back but got banned because you didn't expected to get banned. Now you're crying and pretending how this may efect every1 but in fact this won't effect. I could give you my char name, please go and find enough accurate information.
All I could say is just lol dude.... You have no clue how this game works what so ever... In my opinion you're random botter who botted you *** up to lvl 82 bought baium(if clan would give you baium in most cases you would have to return it)/QA and other fancy gear. In other words you've invested a lot of money in your toon and was hoping to get them back but got banned because you didn't expected to get banned. Now you're crying and pretending how this may efect every1 but in fact this won't effect. I could give you my char name, please go and find enough accurate information.
Proofs, dear child, screenshots, fraps.... or never happend.
Yes, I'm 85, I'm hero in dynasty with full epicks - cry moar )))
Two accounts from "sold" were in a clan and actively played before ban. For the sake of what one of ostensibly sold chars have made the hero? They are ours a clan members and we in sacred horror from that that has occurred. These people played with us and were going to continue to play!
Proofs, dear child, screenshots, fraps.... or never happend.
Yes, I'm 85, I'm hero in dynasty with full epicks - cry moar )))
Players itself posting proofs... All GM's have to do is to contact them on MSN and pretend. Btw issues about bans should be only between account owner and GM. To be honest I don't give a **** about this situation because I know that they were trying to sell their accounts and got banned. Couldn't care less ;) Also I know that I woun't be banned because of this.
Players itself posting proofs... All GM's have to do is to contact them on MSN and pretend. Btw issues about bans should be only between account owner and GM. To be honest I don't give a **** about this situation because I know that they were trying to sell their accounts and got banned. Couldn't care less ;) Also I know that I woun't be banned because of this.
OK, if you are so brave, could you please say me you nick ingame and on what server are you playing. Let's see how GM's won't ban such a "legit" player. :cool:
OK, if you are so brave, could you please say me you nick ingame and on what server are you playing. Let's see how GM's won't ban such a "legit" player. :cool:
Teon - Inexy, lets see how much information you'll find out.
Looks like this thread is sill here but it's been derailed from someone being afraid that their acct would be banned for no reason - if someone's afraid, there's a reason.
There's already a bot thread, maybe the OP should post their concerns there and save the rest of the internet for other stuff.
Players itself posting proofs... All GM's have to do is to contact them on MSN and pretend. Btw issues about bans should be only between account owner and GM. To be honest I don't give a **** about this situation because I know that they were trying to sell their accounts and got banned. Couldn't care less ;) Also I know that I woun't be banned because of this.
1) Players posting Proofs - Elaborate more on the "proof"
2) All Gm's have to do is to contact them on MSN and pretend - How is that proof? - ELABORATE MORE -
3) Btw issues about bans should be only between account owner and GM. - Of course it should. Though if that's the owners account he/she has every right to post it publicly.
4) To be honest I don't give a **** about this situation because I know that they were trying to sell their accounts and got banned. - How do you know this for sure? where you trying to buy there accounts?
5) Couldn't care less ;) Also I know that I woun't be banned because of this. - You obviously do care because your willing to voice your opinon on the matter.
the LAW no matter what country you are in mean nothing in a game.
in game there is only one set of rules that aplies and that is the EULA
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- Player has the right to file lawsuit if he/she was banned inappropriately.
- Texas Law > Eula *For better clarification* /w Boundaries limiting a player to act on multiple lawsuits
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Imagine policeman which was said go and buy drugs because we need evidence. He bought drugs, got evidence and seller has been arested. Similar case - same concliusion.
How I know that account owners are selling their accounts there? Because I read goha, do you think I'm stupid to do not understand such simple things or you're just pretending stupid?(Which I'm sure you're).
Imagine policeman which was said go and buy drugs because we need evidence. He bought drugs, got evidence and seller has been arested. Similar case - same concliusion.
Difference between the policeman and the Gm is that a policeman (detective) is allowed to buy those drugs and use it as evidence because its within his boundaries. GM obtaining outside evidence which isn't covered by the EULA voids that evidence which can also lead to other legal actions not protected by the EULA outside those boundaries. Such as Invasion of privacy and/or providing false information or something to that nature.
THE KEY WORD HERE IS: "GAME MASTER"
(He/she is ONLY allowed to Moderate Within the Game NOT outside the Game or where the EULA states)
You can all laugh but it can, will, and does happen. During lasts weeks bannings I was teleported by invisible gm. I asked him to stop in all shout because at no point did the GM attempt to communicate with me. I was not using 3rd party software. My daughter who is 10 years old was playing our other account and was teleported aswell. She did the same thing asked the gm to stop. Before i get to far ahead of myself let me defint teleported. I was not teleported to a different room or area but a matter of steps. So the difference between being teleported and the usual lineage glitch was not far apart. Later that evening i attempted to log back in and was unable to on both mine and my daughters accounts.
To this point i still havent received an email from NCsoft stating the reason for the Banning. So i guess the answer to your question is yes you can get banned playing legit. NcSofts concern for its customers is nonexistent. Sure is funny this happens at the kickoff of there half-off account special. Fortunetly for myself i am a Gamestop manager so i can focus my displeasure with ncsofts products, services and lousy means of operations by telling potential NCsoft customers of the lousy experiences ive had. I wont even bore ya with the details of trying to get my accounts back cause we all know where thats going. So i bid farewell to Ncsoft, any product they have released or plan to release in the future. I will also use my employment to spread the word.
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pretty simple to understand.....
NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of Lineage II as described in the Rules of Conduct. Should NC Interactive decide to suspend or terminate this Agreement with a User under any circumstances, the User will lose access to your Account for the balance of any prepaid period without any refund.
Player has the right to prove that he/she did not break the agreement. Yes it is pretty simple.
Us players do not have the right to prove anything.... where is this "Lineage 2 player’s bill of rights" you are referencing? Please enlighten us and post a link to those.
Player has the right to prove that he/she did not break the agreement. Yes it is pretty simple. Where is that written in the EULA I haven't seen it anywhere. I really wish the definition of human rights were really taught in school. There is no inherent right to play a video game give me a break.
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While playing Lineage II, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
You may not post or communicate any player's real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Lineage II game or on the official Lineage II website.
You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.
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You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations.
You may not market, promote, advertise, or solicit within the Lineage II game or on the official Lineage II website.
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You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Lineage II account.
You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling items for cash or trading items from one server to another.
You may not arrange for the exchange or transfer of any pirated or illegal software while using the Lineage II game or website.
You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in Lineage II or on the Official Website.
You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Lineage II that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hatemongering philosophies.
You may not provide false information or intentionally hide any information when registering for your Lineage II account.
You may not upload or transmit on Lineage II or the official Lineage II website any copyrighted content that you do not own all rights to without the express written permission of the author or copyright holder.
You will not attempt to interfere with, **** into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Lineage II.
You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://support.lineage2.com/ (http://www.plaync.com/us/support/prod_10.html).
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If you haven't done anything to breech the EULA agreement than there is no reason for the ban therefore you can appeal which is your "right" (you can either do it or not.)
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if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is...(removed technicality) in violation of the spirit of Lineage II as described in the Rules of Conduct.
Should NC Interactive decide to suspend or terminate this Agreement with a User under any circumstances, the User will lose access to your Account for the balance of any prepaid period without any refund. (This basically states if your terminated or suspended you will not get reimbursed for time you paid in advance)
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While playing Lineage II, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
You may not post or communicate any player's real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Lineage II game or on the official Lineage II website.
You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.
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You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling items for cash or trading items from one server to another.
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You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in Lineage II or on the Official Website.
You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Lineage II that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hatemongering philosophies.
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You may not upload or transmit on Lineage II or the official Lineage II website any copyrighted content that you do not own all rights to without the express written permission of the author or copyright holder.
You will not attempt to interfere with, **** into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Lineage II.
You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://support.lineage2.com/ (http://www.plaync.com/us/support/prod_10.html).
You will not attempt to play Lineage II on any server that is not controlled or authorized by NC Interactive or its designees.
You will not create, use, or provide any server emulator or other site where Lineage II may be played, and you will not post or distribute any utilities, emulators or other software tools related to Lineage II without the express written permission of NC Interactive.
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THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF NC INTERACTIVE'S (OR ANY OF ITS SHAREHOLDERS, PARTNERS, AFFILIATES, DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, SUBSIDIARIES, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, SUPPLIERS, LICENSEES OR DISTRIBUTORS) LIABILITY TO YOU UNDER THIS AGREEMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE LOWER OF THE (i) ACCOUNT FEES OR (ii) PURCHASE PRICE OF THE ADDITIONAL FEATURES EACH OF THE FOREGOING (i) OR (ii) AS PAID BY YOU TO NC INTERACTIVE IN THE PRECEDING SIX (6) MONTHS. IN NO EVENT SHALL NC INTERACTIVE, NOR ANY OF ITS CONTENT PROVIDERS, SHAREHOLDERS, PARTNERS, AFFILIATES, DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR SUPPLIERS, BE LIABLE TO YOU OR TO ANY THIRD PARTY FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, PUNITIVE OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, LOSS OF BUSINESS PROFITS, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, LOSS OF BUSINESS INFORMATION OR ANY OTHER PECUNIARY LOSS), REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY (INCLUDING CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, OR STRICT LIABILITY) ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SERVICE, THE SOFTWARE, YOUR ACCOUNT OR THIS AGREEMENT WHICH MAY BE INCURRED BY YOU, WHETHER OR NOT NC INTERACTIVE (OR ANY SUCH OTHER RELEASED PARTY) MAY HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT ANY SUCH DAMAGES MIGHT OR COULD OCCUR. Some states do not allow the foregoing limitations of liability, so they may not apply to you and in such a case you agree that NC Interactive’s (or any other released party) liability to you shall be limited to the maximum extent permitted by law. You agree that NC Interactive cannot be held responsible or liable for anything that occurs or results from accessing or subscribing to the Lineage II service.
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Reiterate in your own words what Section 14 Termination means I'll be glad to discuss.
NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if...yaddayadda...upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of Lineage II as described in the Rules of Conduct.
i believe it is the definition of "game play" which is in question here. and despite what you think it means, it includes activities on forums as well as attempts to buy and sell characters. in addition, this section is not in violation of texas state law becasue ITS A GAME. playing is a privilege not a birth right or entitlement. you cannot be banned becasue of something that someone posted about your characters on some random forum, but you CAN be banned because someone suggested that a GM conduct an investigation, and upon investigation, they had reason to believe that you broke the EULA. they can ALSO ban you with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, the only reason the Rules Of Conduct exists, is to give players an idea of what NOT to do and to give them a standerdised checklist to evaluate when they think that you might have done something wrong. you may also want to read this http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=110183
btw, my character's name is KingdomForCoin on devianne server.
Using the forums or PMs for encouraging, promoting, endorsing, or inciting any kind of legal action against anyone is strictly prohibited. Such content will be removed, and the author's posting privileges will be permanently suspended.
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IN NO EVENT SHALL NC INTERACTIVE, NOR ANY OF ITS CONTENT PROVIDERS, SHAREHOLDERS, PARTNERS, AFFILIATES, DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR SUPPLIERS, BE LIABLE TO YOU OR TO ANY THIRD PARTY FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, PUNITIVE OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES (This has nothing to do with termination and appeal)
REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SERVICE,
THE SOFTWARE, YOUR ACCOUNT OR THIS AGREEMENT WHICH MAY BE INCURRED BY YOU, WHETHER OR NOT NC INTERACTIVE MAY HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT ANY SUCH DAMAGES MIGHT OR COULD OCCUR. (This has nothing to do with termination and appeal)
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You agree that NC Interactive cannot be held responsible or liable for anything that occurs or results from accessing or subscribing to the Lineage II service.
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At NC Interactive’s request, you agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless (a) NC Interactive, (b) its shareholders, partners, affiliates, directors, officers, subsidiaries, employees, agents or suppliers, (c) its licensees, distributors, Content Providers, and (d) other Members of the Service, from all damages, liabilities, claims and expenses, including without limitation attorneys’ fees and costs, arising from or related, directly or indirectly, to any misuse of the Service or breach of this Agreement by you.(This is about testifying in defense of NcSoft.)
Took out the technicality and simplified it what are you stating Jayy or do you just like to spam the EULA and flame?
i believe it is the definition of "game play" which is in question here. and despite what you think it means, it includes activities on forums as well as attempts to buy and sell characters.
in addition, this section is not in violation of texas state law becasue ITS A GAME. playing is a privilege not a birth right or entitlement. you cannot be banned becasue of something that someone posted about your characters on some random forum, but you CAN be banned because someone suggested that a GM conduct an investigation, and upon investigation, they had reason to believe that you broke the EULA.
they can ALSO ban you with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, the only reason the Rules Of Conduct exists, is to give players an idea of what NOT to do and to give them a standerdised checklist to evaluate when they think that you might have done something wrong.
i believe it is the definition of "game play" which is in question here. and despite what you think it means, it includes activities on forums as well as attempts to buy and sell characters. (Boundaries Game + Forums but nothing beyond that is my take on it.)
in addition, this section is not in violation of texas state law becasue ITS A GAME. (Elaborate plz on what you mean by not in violation of texas state law.
To us customers its a game, however to the company its income. I don't believe in appeaseing a individual or group of individuals by random bannings nor do I like the idea of GMs unbanning players but that's there fault because they couldn't gather evidence and do protocol/procedures and if I was in there shoes I would of done the same because of failure to obtain concrete evidence to support the ban)
playing is a privilege not a birth right or entitlement. (of course 100% agreeable. Point is that you can go and fight back if your willing too I didn't say you would win or lose.)
you cannot be banned because of something that someone posted about your characters on some random forum (true.)
,but you CAN be banned because someone suggested that a GM conduct an investigation, and upon investigation, they had reason to believe that you broke the EULA. (Correct - but its in the manner they investigate it is the question I'm not going to go in to the details because it just bascially opens a can of new worms.)
My all time favorite "RULES OF CONDUCT" are the following:
19. You will not attempt to play Lineage II on any server that is not controlled or authorized by NC Interactive or its designees.
20. You will not create, use, or provide any server emulator or other site where Lineage II may be played, and you will not post or distribute any utilities, emulators or other software tools related to Lineage II without the express written permission of NC Interactive.
Took out the technicality and simplified it what are you stating Jayy or do you just like to spam the EULA and flame?
No, what you did was you took the entire 2 portions of the EULA that I had quoted out of context, and failed to even correctly comprehend and relate the scope of application to the situation you are trying to falsely indoctrinate us all with.
You are under no circumstances a lawyer or judicator by any means, and you have absolutely nothing more to offer in terms of the interpretation of the EULA than a basic, literal iteration of what you understand to be the terms of agreement, and the scope of jurisdiction that it has. You don't have the knowledge to argue the EULA in the strict manor you are using it, as you consistantly showcase to us all. Its really disgraceful.
You cannot emphasize what you think to be the "key words" of an agreement, and absolutely disregard the rest of it as just the terms of those specific "key words" you had determined to be the only eligable parts of enforcement of the agreement. Meaning in the most basic sense, the *if* was not the operating term in ANY of the agreements that you have decided to dissect and "clarify" to any of us. There are words that hold much more power and importance in legal documents, and they are the ones that define the scope of any agreement. Specifically, the word I am talking about in this case would be *sole discretion*. If you do not understand what this means, or how much authority it commands over the entire contract then I don't really blame you. You don't know any better really, and you are really dwelling in areas much out of your league of expertise, assuming thats how one might describe the work you do as a nurse, but anyway I digress.
In short, a document such as the TOS is written as a whole, and is meant to be taken that way. Each section, while indentify the key points of that specific area of the EULA, is also part of a consummate agreement. The language that these kind of agreements are written in is not to be picked apart, and dissected as individual terms within a certain portion of the agreement. They are written as a whole, and must be interpreted that way.
Most of anyone with cognitive abilities would know right off the bat that all you are doing with your mass-posting, and re-iteration of your argument incessantly is trying to obfuscate and disorient. Unfortunately, with the manner you are using to form arguments and dismiss anyone who has anything contradictory to say *i.e. ******s, as you so love to put it* doesn't collaborate with the terms of the subject matter you are arguing. IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE EULA AS SUCH A DEFINATIVE AND BINDING CONTRACT, THEN YOU MUST HOLD BOTH PARTIES TO THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT
Also, not everyone who has an opinion different from yours is "flaming".
All start about been afraid of been banned, which will be a valid issue if you are legit, and now we have all these posts regarding the law, eula and who knows what else.
I see some people defend botting here, and I see some others to be kind of afraid of GMs actually do something, and I see as well people who when a friend gets caugth, started using the law as excuse to protect them. I see some others defend ideas such getting so high level is not that hard... you know is not hard because you never bother to play the game without botting, thats why your perception about lvling up is so different from a legit player, but oh well...
I hope a GM doesnt make the mistake to even comment in this thread unless fully understands where the eula and the law stands for, I just dont want to see another mistake from NCsoft part.
Kudos to NCSoft, I understand why is so hard to ban botters, when they can use the **** law as a way to get away with a crime.
All start about been afraid of been banned, which will be a valid issue if you are legit, and now we have all these posts regarding the law, eula and who knows what else.
I see some people defend botting here, and I see some others to be kind of afraid of GMs actually do something, and I see as well people who when a friend gets caugth, started using the law as excuse to protect them. I see some others defend ideas such getting so high level is not that hard... you know is not hard because you never bother to play the game without botting, thats why your perception about lvling up is so different from a legit player, but oh well...
I hope a GM doesnt make the mistake to even comment in this thread unless fully understands where the eula and the law stands for, I just dont want to see another mistake from NCsoft part.
Kudos to NCSoft, I understand why is so hard to ban botters, when they can use the **** law as a way to get away with a crime.
but they can't.
This is exactly the obfuscation and disorientation I'm talking about. This discussion has nothing to do with the process bots are being banned with, and you are being conditioned to think that this is the issue that is problematic.
after re-reading your highlighted text, it has become apparent to me that you cant read. so i broke down the rest of section 14 into stenences that may be short enough for you to understand. this actually says 3 things, seperated by commas. it is your inability to comprehend a run-on sentence that is causing the abiguity.
NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights.
(this section says if you break the rules, they can ban you)
NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us.
(this section says if you provide them with fraudulent credit card information, or are pretending to be someone else, and they cannot verify something concerning your account, they can ban you. it DOES NOT mean that if they ban you, and you tell them infinity divided by 0 is 1, and they cannot verify your math, that they will unban you.)
NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of Lineage II as described in the Rules of Conduct.
(this is the section i pointed to before, and as i said earlier, if you include account management, lineage2 forums, private servers and account use in the definition of "game play", it is the only clause you need. hopefully you can now understandish the EULA a bit more well. in the future you may want to avoid setences of the form "if A or B or C then D".)
we would never heard from Ecs if he didnt get banned LOL. considering the link you provide to those forum, they are foreign language i dont know what that is but sounds like bunch of botter to me. /drunk
I really hope none of you pratice law or work in the legal field.
Look at Lineage 2 like a Theme Park, or anything else. You are on private property as a guest, you may pay a fee but at anytime if the property owner no longer wants you on their property you have no right to stay and they do not have to give you a reason, that is a courtesy not a right.
Do not over think a MMORPG, its a private property, if they decide they do not want you hear anymore you can appeal to them, but you have Zero legal recourse as long as they do not charge you after you are banned.
Stop speaking like you guys have any clue about law.
I really hope none of you pratice law or work in the legal field.
Look at Lineage 2 like a Theme Park, or anything else. You are on private property as a guest, you may pay a fee but at anytime if the property owner no longer wants you on their property you have no right to stay and they do not have to give you a reason, that is a courtesy not a right.
Do not over think a MMORPG, its a private property, if they decide they do not want you hear anymore you can appeal to them, but you have Zero legal recourse as long as they do not charge you after you are banned.
Stop speaking like you guys have any clue about law.
You can think about the game whatever you want (I don't care) untill you come in a court. I know better. I was banned and unbanned cause I was ready and had a possibility to defend my consumer rights.
You really are not very smart are you? Why don't you talk to a real lawyer and let them fall out of a chair laughing at you.
I was unbanned also but it wasn't because I could sue them, the High GM's reviewed and saw it was mistake in judgment by a lower tier GM, I had no rights, I was at the mercy of NCSoft to even review my case.
You tell the security at Disneyworld you have a right to stay on their property when they are asking you to leave, I will give you a hint it ends with you in handcuffs in a jail cell.
You really are not very smart are you? Why don't you talk to a real lawyer and let them fall out of a chair laughing at you.
I was unbanned also but it wasn't because I could sue them, the High GM's reviewed and saw it was mistake in judgment by a lower tier GM, I had no rights, I was at the mercy of NCSoft to even review my case.
You tell the security at Disneyworld you have a right to stay on their property when they are asking you to leave, I will give you a hint it ends with you in handcuffs in a jail cell.
Don't understand actually what is relation between service and private property.
2. DESCRIPTION OF SERVICE
NC Interactive offers Lineage II as a massively multiplayer subscription-based online fantasy role-playing game service and fee-based additional features including, without limitation, gender and server changes (“Additional Features”) (the “Service”) accessible through our web site, currently at http://www.lineage2.com (the “Web Site”). NC Interactive reserves the right to change the URL address of the Web Site at any time.
You really are not very smart are you? Why don't you talk to a real lawyer and let them fall out of a chair laughing at you.
I was unbanned also but it wasn't because I could sue them, the High GM's reviewed and saw it was mistake in judgment by a lower tier GM, I had no rights, I was at the mercy of NCSoft to even review my case.
You tell the security at Disneyworld you have a right to stay on their property when they are asking you to leave, I will give you a hint it ends with you in handcuffs in a jail cell.
Sppose a hotel is also private property? Do you really think you can simply kicked out of the room you paid in he middle of the night?
I'm not the gangzta and and actually this soesn't relate to the problem.
Sppose a hotel is also private property? Do you really think you can simply kicked out of the room you paid in he middle of the night?
Actually, yes you can be. Most hotels won't do this, however, without a very good reason because it's bad PR and they wouldn't last long with a reputation for kicking out customers.
Likewise NC Soft tried to be fair in its dealing with customers because it's good PR and no one would stick around if they felt that they were going to be banned at the drop of a hat.
It has nothing to do with any so-called consumer rights you think you have.
Funny..... this all threads on forum are funny. There are 10 threads crying about bots everywhere and another 10 crying for "unfair" bans so is just funny.
There are 10 threads crying about bots everywhere and another 10 crying for "unfair" bans so is just funny.
Actually... there's the usual ton of threads against bots and only a handful of people who somehow try to make a (nonexistent) case about unfair bans.
You can check their forum activity (registration date, number of their posts and topics they write) and draw your own conclusions :D