Additionally, with the launch of Gracia Final, all Clan Rights will be reset. Therefore, Clan Lords will need to reapply any Clan Rights which were in place prior to the launch of Gracia Final. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
So my question is - what will happen to clans with banned clan leaders? Even sub leaders will have no privelegies for invite/war/clanhall. Will they just die?
I know 2 clan with banned clan leaders on Teon. Both of them are with clan hall in Rune. And one of them is lvl 10 with enough CRP to lvlup in Gracia Final.
Spam stated a while ago that they will never, ever again change the clan leadership on a clan which has a banned clan leader (this was after they did it for a clan on Hindemith because the banned clan leader would have caused problems during the server merge, something about refunding the money for a clan hall). Apparently they do not have any tool to do that and would have to edit the database manually or something like that.
So I guess you are simply out of luck and all clan members will lose their privileges. You would not be able to raise the clan level anyway, only the clan leader can do that.
Spam stated a while ago that they will never, ever again change the clan leadership on a clan which has a banned clan leader (this was after they did it for a clan on Hindemith because the banned clan leader would have caused problems during the server merge, something about refunding the money for a clan hall). Apparently they do not have any tool to do that and would have to edit the database manually or something like that.
So I guess you are simply out of luck and all clan members will lose their privileges. You would not be able to raise the clan level anyway, only the clan leader can do that.
I started that topic because we need to make decision what to do. And i need a clear answer from GM about that. So please, shut up all and let Spam answer and close the topic.
local, if you really want to get spams input, go through the proper channels, petition, e-mail support, etc. Of course everyone on the forums is going to be all "RAWR You're evil cuz your clan leader got banned!! zomg!" even though it is a legitimate question.
Even those with the holier-than-thou attitude should take two seconds to consider their answers. "Find a new clan" is all well and good EXCEPT that the clan WH likely has millions (more than likely, hundreds of millions, if not billions) of adena in it and so the CH is going to be locked up by a dead clan for all eternity. I don't consider that to be a good thing at all - there aren't enough CHs in L2 to begin with.
It is for this reason that Nova transferred from Bartz... Their CL was banned, with enuf money in CWH to pay fees for a long time... and no one had access... so they transferred to Sayha. Best to reform.
It is for this reason that Nova transferred from Bartz... Their CL was banned, with enuf money in CWH to pay fees for a long time... and no one had access... so they transferred to Sayha. Best to reform.
Those transfer every time one of them gets the hammer.
local, if you really want to get spams input, go through the proper channels, petition, e-mail support, etc. Of course everyone on the forums is going to be all "RAWR You're evil cuz your clan leader got banned!! zomg!" even though it is a legitimate question.
Even those with the holier-than-thou attitude should take two seconds to consider their answers. "Find a new clan" is all well and good EXCEPT that the clan WH likely has millions (more than likely, hundreds of millions, if not billions) of adena in it and so the CH is going to be locked up by a dead clan for all eternity. I don't consider that to be a good thing at all - there aren't enough CHs in L2 to begin with.
I made a ticket, it's closed now with couple of standert answers. So i've asked here too.
First - Spam will not answer (I believe) better luck with Omega.
Second - this made me think - this change/adjustment is the best!!! It might help to clean you some of the clan halls if I think it is going to do what I believe it is.
So my question is - what will happen to clans with banned clan leaders? Even sub leaders will have no privelegies for invite/war/clanhall. Will they just die?
I know 2 clan with banned clan leaders on Teon. Both of them are with clan hall in Rune. And one of them is lvl 10 with enough CRP to lvlup in Gracia Final.
Thx for ur time.
Obvious answer, they shouldn't have gotten banned - such is the responsibility of clan leaders.
Next time the clannies should pick a more responsible leader.
You don't always know someone is cheating. I don't know why people are acting as if everyone in a clan knows everyone else's business.
If you had no idea what those people were doing (and indeed that is more than possible), then it simply sucks to have all your work do down the toilet. It's a legitimate question, and it's a legitimate issue that should be brought up over and over again until NCSoft does what every other responsible guild-based MMORPG company does and transfers the leadership when the leader is banned.
Some of you people act like you haven't played any MMORPGs. Leveling a clan to high levels and having it go down the toilet only to start over again can cause people to quit the game, and for good reason...
You don't always know someone is cheating. I don't know why people are acting as if everyone in a clan knows everyone else's business.
If you had no idea what those people were doing (and indeed that is more than possible), then it simply sucks to have all your work do down the toilet. It's a legitimate question, and it's a legitimate issue that should be brought up over and over again until NCSoft does what every other responsible guild-based MMORPG company does and transfers the leadership when the leader is banned.
Some of you people act like you haven't played any MMORPGs. Leveling a clan to high levels and having it go down the toilet only to start over again can cause people to quit the game, and for good reason...
Geeze.
+1 to everything u said and seems Teon died yesterday...
Don't be so naive. All this 'you shouldn't be in a clan with a cheating leader' or 'you can't know who is cheating' - we are talking about the leader of one of the top PvP clans on the server, wtf else is he be going to doing.
Don't be so naive. All this 'you shouldn't be in a clan with a cheating leader' or 'you can't know who is cheating' - we are talking about the leader of one of the top PvP clans on the server, wtf else is he be going to doing.
euh... pvping.
if he was caught botting, thats cheating.
if he was caught with radar or hide, thats cheating.
et
cetera.
bottom line is, something caught the GM's eye to push a ban.
What I dont understand is, if the clan leader is doing something shady, why not just get another account, lvl up a toon on it and then change leadership to that one?
Keep it logged out until its needed. Enemies cant even mass petition it then...
What I dont understand is, if the clan leader is doing something shady, why not just get another account, lvl up a toon on it and then change leadership to that one?
Keep it logged out until its needed. Enemies cant even mass petition it then...
According to L2blah, she (that clan leader) forgot to transfer leadership this week before she went botting. So i guess they did it regulary just in case, but got banned when they forgot to do at, bad luck.
According to L2blah, she (that clan leader) forgot to transfer leadership this week before she went botting. So i guess they did it regulary just in case, but got banned when they forgot to do at, bad luck.
According to L2blah u are ******, so?
Well, I was trying to help here Local, using Nova as an example. Here is what I was told by friends that were in Nova: Rather than the clan leader being guilty of botting, it was the IP address ban that happened to them. There was no recourse, no amount of petitioning that changed the GMs minds about the ban and the changing of the clan leader to an active player was absolutely refused. They would have had to reform or do something more drastic. Since there was an available level 10 clan on Sayha that they could transfer to, they did. Releveling a clan to 10 is serious business... so they chose a ready-made one. You might have to go that route.
I started that topic because we need to make decision what to do. And i need a clear answer from GM about that. So please, shut up all and let Spam answer and close the topic.
Maybe because i don't play? Fail more, fanboy.
You don't play, so whatever the answer may be, it doesn't concern you.
Well, I was trying to help here Local, using Nova as an example. Here is what I was told by friends that were in Nova: Rather than the clan leader being guilty of botting, it was the IP address ban that happened to them. There was no recourse, no amount of petitioning that changed the GMs minds about the ban and the changing of the clan leader to an active player was absolutely refused. They would have had to reform or do something more drastic. Since there was an available level 10 clan on Sayha that they could transfer to, they did. Releveling a clan to 10 is serious business... so they chose a ready-made one. You might have to go that route.
Before Final - even with banned clan leader but with subleader with full privelegies clan could live. But now, after 28th april - all clan right will be reset - that will kill all clans with banned leader because noone could invite/dismiss members, declare/stop wars etc. That's why i asked a question. They made an exception for one clan while merging servers, maybe they will make another one for another clan. Anyway i will wait for Spam answer.
lol your really buthurt :eek:
Any way Teon would be a very boring server if any of the 2 big alyes would go on another one:(
Not butthurt at all. I couldn't possibly care any less about the answer to the question. As a matter of fact, I'm all for the GMs transferring leadership to some other member if a leader gets banned.
What gets me are two things.
1) this moron pretends to be all nice and legit. LoL - I don't need to go any farther with that one.
and
2) Read that post. He claims to not play, but "really needs an answer" to this question? You don't see the stupid in that?
It was the responsability of the leader to not cheat thus not screwing his clan lol . Clan leaders in lineage 2 have a strong role , his clan must die , +it enforces the EULA :)
Seems u're 1 more Arhmage that will never be a hero. And u're sad. I understand you. And won't trash you back.
Not enough botted up nobles in my clan to trade points with me to be a hero. Guess I won't be able to cheat my way to leetness like you did, huh? Oh well, my life will never be complete.
not enough botted up nobles in my clan to trade points with me to be a hero. Guess i won't be able to cheat my way to leetness like you did, huh? Oh well, my life will never be complete.
omg u stole money from ur grandma!!11
but i wont do like u did it!
:d:d:d
Even tho I'm not the biggest locals fan(sry dude) and I've nothing to do with X or ITT but still I support the idea of changing leader than current one is banned. Some1 already mentioned that this MMORPG is strongly bassed on clans and there're a lot of activities evolving one not to mention clan hall that migh be lost for ever because of billions adena on CWH etc etc.
Like I said in a previous post, I'm all for giving them a new leader. I feel like any time a leader gets banned, a members should be given control of the clan to keep it alive and keep any assets from going to waste, but localhost is a cheating moron who should either a) get banned or b) quit like he says he did.
If the clan leader is kicked out of the game for any reasons (bot, illegal 3 party programs, bad languange), then let the hammer of doom strike and dismiss the hole clan and put it out (if any) the clanhall on auction.
Lol, the trash talk in this thread is hilarious!! Priceless! Thnx ppl you made my day as I read this.
No one is going to answer just for the laughs he’s having.
localhost and ra*** are from l2blah/goha.ru schools, you dont agree with them, they will trashtalk you they think it will strengthen their opinion and make them the winners...and then tehy are supprised noone gives a **** about their opinion and everyone derails their threads
Well, the "blocked" CH is a real problem for the server as a whole (instead of a problem of just the clan). I'd say the CWH should be emptied of any adena in the case the clan leader gets banned to prevent such locks.
half you guys in here are friggn morons
if you actually want to hang onto your clan then tell your clan leader not to bot/ebay/h4x, if your clan leader is incapable of managing that then tell him to transfer leadership to someone who can
tough **** if your clan leader wants to ninja bot and gets your clan wiped off the face of the planet
localhost and ra*** are from l2blah/goha.ru schools, you dont agree with them, they will trashtalk you they think it will strengthen their opinion and make them the winners...and then tehy are supprised noone gives a **** about their opinion and everyone derails their threads
My two cents... It's none of my business, but almost all who had posted in here have nothing to do with the request localhost made to a GM, so I will give my opinion... Clan whose leader was caught botting shouldn't not be allowed to change. Even further than that, if leader made a petition to change leadership and he gets banned before maintenance, the petition should be cancelled too.
The reality is that 90% of the population cheats (just visit Garden of Beasts or join a pvp clan) and since NC doesn't do anything good to prevent this, the few cases that are indeed caught and banned should not deserve any mecry. We know many of those heroes are botted toons, we know many of those gear/adena is account farming, we know that pvp is highly unbalanced due to the auto/spam and radar softwared... yet ppl abuses of this just to always have an advantage over the rest of the population.
Like localhost said... perhaps 99.99% of the players will never reach hero status... but 100% of LEGIT players will definetely never become a hero. This is true and really sad. I just hope that grinding becomes less a pain in the *** and a little bit motivating so ppl can actually do something.
Anyway, I'm sorry for that clan who lost his CL, and for the few legit ppl that might have been in there but both the CL and the rest of the cheaters in there deserve it. This is just my opinion.
Fixed, there are some old players that are/were legit that are/were heroes.
Better. ;)
I never got into Oly except to give points... but I know a couple of people that were legit... dunno if they still are.. haven't spoken to them in a while.
if a leader is banned they need to disolve the clan... CWH will disapeer, CH will go back for auction, and members will be free to join a clan or start a new 1...
to the OP... if you know someone well enuff to loan them a full set of epics im willing to bet you know them well enuff to know they cheat, and if you loan your epics to ppl you dont know then lol
*** why local got sooo many fans while I got 0...
Something is wrong here :D
Don't get me started.... I just need to get a screenshot that a friend sent me.. from some "offline" forums.. you crying... "Oh.. take care.. gm on Sayha".
Don't get me started.... I just need to get a screenshot that a friend sent me.. from some "offline" forums.. you crying... "Oh.. take care.. gm on Sayha".
Sad...
Its not a secret that GMs ban w/o any reason :)
And worst thing - better not to log in when GM's are online... Thats why I wrote it there. And what is so bad if I was searching that forum?
U are so funny :D
You cant punish a whole clan for a leader that cheated, most of them probably didnt know and people have put in years of work to build up that clan, should they all be punished because a leader cheated? I dont think so..NCsoft should really transfer the clan to someone else..They have done it for others before, why would it be fair to not do it now?
Its not a secret that GMs ban w/o any reason :)
And worst thing - better not to log in when GM's are online... Thats why I wrote it there. And what is so bad if I was searching that forum?
U are so funny :D
That's always a good excuse.
"I only go there to browse"
"I only bot to be in same lvl as my friends"
You cant punish a whole clan for a leader that cheated, most of them probably didnt know and people have put in years of work to build up that clan, should they all be punished because a leader cheated? I dont think so..NCsoft should really transfer the clan to someone else..They have done it for others before, why would it be fair to not do it now?Sure you can. A clan leader is the owner of the clan he gets banned then all his posessions should be banned. It's unfortunate for the clan members, but don't fool yourself into thinking they are all innocent victims. Most clan members follow the rules set by the clan leader and anyone who is in a clan knows a clan leader is always being watched by other players just for the opertunity to bring him down. Specially large power clans. Don't believe for a second that most of those clan members didn't know what was going on since it was obviously approved of in the clan. It's quite laughable to come on here and act all innocent after the fact. Specially after what has been said on other forums.
u know a lot about Unforgiven :)I started playing this game in C2 on TEON and have a 61 glad still on there and a few other alts. I still go over there and run thorugh the cats every now and then just to mess with the bots when im bored. I still know people on TEON and know what it was like when I played on that server. No I haven't been involved in the politics of Teon, but I know a few things about the clans and alliances and whats going on.
What about the clans where the clanleader quit game and didn't transfer leadership?
But the rest of the clanmembers still fully live on with the clan?
Surely NCNA doesn't want to break such a thing for those ppl?
There was a clan on Hindemith whose clan leader died in an auto accident, together with the only other member who knew the password from the CL account. NCsoft did nothing.
About ur question, cheaters always loose, I said it many times already ;)
seems like ewangel & jittle were on nostromo and DD's went afk for some reason?
ofc all 9 ppl!
btw log off some1 Ewangel from green, he still dead there :<
Ты хочешь чтобы я запостил фрапс, где пати онера ботит в ИТ, сквиз с лагом на олимпиаде, гирлонерс личит эксп в ДН? Кто же тогда останется на теоне, думай головой немного, дебила кусок.
Ептить! Да я забыл еще кжаска на авторесе... Как я мог :/
Sorry for russian :)
2Malda, why dont u want our clanlider to get unbanned? Because you didnt like the domination of UFG?:) Sooo predictable.
Ты хочешь чтобы я запостил фрапс, где пати онера ботит в ИТ, сквиз с лагом на олимпиаде, гирлонерс личит эксп в ДН? Кто же тогда останется на теоне, думай головой немного, дебила кусок.
Ты хочешь чтобы я запостил фрапс, где пати онера ботит в ИТ, сквиз с лагом на олимпиаде, гирлонерс личит эксп в ДН? Кто же тогда останется на теоне, думай головой немного, дебила кусок.
Sorry for russian :)
2Malda, why dont u want our clanlider to get unbanned? Because you didnt like the domination of UFG?:) Sooo predictable.
OK, back to home. Guys, calm down. It was just a question about clans with banned clan leader. Question to GMs. I didn't wanted to flame anyone, why you flame me and my clan.
For Exile - members of my clan never did fraps with botting enemies. So we can't provide videos here. And there is no rason because if enemies getting banned -> they becoming weaker -> there is no balance and there is no interest to play on 1 side server.
I did bot report only 1 time (it was in Interlude) - i've reported bots who was interrupting me doing Valakas quest under Goddart. And you, Malda (mitskablos too), are the shame of Exile. I respect all enemies except you.
For those who think i didn't quit - try catch me ingame and i will give you free Giant Codex.
И много ты таких увидел? Не еби моск и не неси хуйни, thx.
This ain't goha.ru!
OK, back to home. Guys, calm down. It was just a question about clans with banned clan leader. Question to GMs. I didn't wanted to flame anyone, why you flame me and my clan.
For Exile - members of my clan never did fraps with botting enemies. So we can't provide videos here. And there is no rason because if enemies getting banned -> they becoming weaker -> there is no balance and there is no interest to play on 1 side server.
I did bot report only 1 time (it was in Interlude) - i've reported bots who was interrupting me doing Valakas quest under Goddart. And you, Malda (mitskablos too), are the shame of Exile. I respect all enemies except you.
For those who think i didn't quit - try catch me ingame and i will give you free Giant Codex.
I have better things to do.. and I'll get my own books after Tuesday.
This game is too much focused about clan so NC should take into consideration changing leadership when leader is banned/dissapeared if clan community wants that.
To malda: don't take as offence but you're not much better than localhost when it comes to hero chat ********.
This game is too much focused about clan so NC should take into consideration changing leadership when leader is banned/dissapeared if clan community wants that.
To malda: don't take as offence but you're not much better than localhost when it comes to hero chat ********.
localhost and ra*** are from l2blah/goha.ru schools, you dont agree with them, they will trashtalk you they think it will strengthen their opinion and make them the winners...and then tehy are supprised noone gives a **** about their opinion and everyone derails their threads
Quote some my posts from blah pls. I want to know what i write there :)
This game is too much focused about clan so NC should take into consideration changing leadership when leader is banned/dissapeared if clan community wants that.
To malda: don't take as offence but you're not much better than localhost when it comes to hero chat ********.
You'll never see me in walker, that's the difference.
The clans where the leader is banned for botting should NOT be put back to life.
I so care about ur opinion!
So what? You aren't the one to choose what to do with such clans.
So my question is - what will happen to clans with banned clan leaders? Even sub leaders will have no privelegies for invite/war/clanhall. Will they just die?
I know 2 clan with banned clan leaders on Teon. Both of them are with clan hall in Rune. And one of them is lvl 10 with enough CRP to lvlup in Gracia Final.
Thx for ur time.
to bad for them. maybe theyr new clan leader will stay legit from now on.
The clan itself should be deleted when the leader is caught cheating by a GM, within 2 weeks of such action or up to a month (in case a GM make a mistake...) not deleting the clan is a mistake from NCSoft part...
I dont find any valid reason to believe it shouldnt... true is not the fault of the people involve in the clan, however they all benefit from somebody cheating to improve the clan... so the clan itself should be disband. Otherwise it will send the wrong message to people who rule a clan and are legit, why? because this guy cheat all the way and improve his clan with the help of some legits, still he/she have an enormous advantage over people who do not cheat at all.
Most probably NCSoft expect for the people that are in the clan to leave and join a different one, there by the reason they do not delete the clan at all, as they dont expect people to actually continue been part of it.
Local is simple they will unban your CL if you send lots petition like they did whit Luna group.Also McLaren will be baned suner or later for same **** so UFG just get hited first.On the end we(legit)players will play a game and NCSoft will stop to incrase lvl gap because we will need ~2-3 more years to get 85.
About Teon balance I think nothing will change.UFG is dead clan RedSky is also dead clan but they still don't know that.
100 clan members x 3 academy toons each = 200,000 clan rep (more in final). Enough to get a lvl 9 clan with all skills.
You can do an academy toon in a couple of leisurely days of gaming, faster if you 're a high level main that has high level supports (like these people). Which basically means you can get back to where you were in under a week if you work as a clan.
For the clan Hall, blame petibras and move on, and make a note of when CWH money will run out.
I don't judge people that bot, it's a choice everybody can make but I get annoyed when people whine about the consequences. It's a risk they took willingly.
so, lets get back to the Question:
So my question is - what will happen to clans with banned clan leaders? Even sub leaders will have no privelegies for invite/war/clanhall. Will they just die?
I know 2 clan with banned clan leaders on Teon. Both of them are with clan hall in Rune. And one of them is lvl 10 with enough CRP to lvlup in Gracia Final.
Well 1-sided servers isnt fun and UFG has been there as long as i remember..
Why not just empty the clan-wh, let them loose and castle and the free crp, be delevel to lvl9 clan and erase all lvl10 skills.. (maybe even loose the ch) then lots is lost but not all...
We're discussing all aspects in the question.
i thought it was up to the GM to decide that, not forum trolls from other servers or dumbarses like malda
we want to hear GM answer, and question is pretty clear "What will happen with our clan after update"?
i thought it was up to the GM to decide that, not forum trolls from other servers or dumbarses like malda
we want to hear GM answer, and question is pretty clear "What will happen with our clan after update"?
if its up to gm, why do you post on public forum, pm those gms/mail them/call them.
those are community boards where everyone is free to discuss
I agree that if a clan leader was caught botting or using cheats, then bye bye everything! Maybe a few legit ppl in clan will also be hurt by this but imo that's the consequences for benefiting from or being in a clan where the leader (or majority of the plyrs) use cheats. Maybe if this happened more often, legit ppl would stop playing with the ppl that decide to take such risk. I applaud these actions from the GM's. I'm very tired of seeing friends leave this game because they are fed up with attempting to compete with the cheaters.
When the consequences for cheating are high, it may discourage a large portion of ppl from using illegal cheats. Cheating is so common place now it's just ridiculous and astonishingly accepted by the majority of the population. I'm very happy to see steps taken in the right direction and hope to see more to this effect in the future.
I agree that if a clan leader was caught botting or using cheats, then bye bye everything! Maybe a few legit ppl in clan will also be hurt by this but imo that's the consequences for benefiting from or being in a clan where the leader (or majority of the plyrs) use cheats. Maybe if this happened more often, legit ppl would stop playing with the ppl that decide to take such risk. I applaud these actions from the GM's. I'm very tired of seeing friends leave this game because they are fed up with attempting to compete with the cheaters.
When the consequences for cheating are high, it may discourage a large portion of ppl from using illegal cheats. Cheating is so common place now it's just ridiculous and astonishingly accepted by the majority of the population. I'm very happy to see steps taken in the right direction and hope to see more to this effect in the future.
gl hf hh
gimme names of clanleaders (of top clans) that dont break any eula?
i can give u 1 name, petibras
It was the responsability of the leader to not cheat thus not screwing his clan lol . Clan leaders in lineage 2 have a strong role , his clan must die , +it enforces the EULA :)
If you think it's that simple, you really are dumb. But that's why this game is dying. People like you. Dumb people.
gimme names of clanleaders (of top clans) that dont break any eula?
i can give u 1 name, petibras
you make no sense ... petibras was caught boting, how is that not breaking the EULA? The fact that she was nice and wasn't boting 6 months nonstop and boted a week/month or whatever doesn't mean she wasn't breaking the EULA
i thought it was up to the GM to decide that, not forum trolls from other servers or dumbarses like malda
we want to hear GM answer, and question is pretty clear "What will happen with our clan after update"?
If you don't want unwanted comments then don't post on public forums.
Take it to PMs. If Spam choose to ignore you then he chooses to ignore it.
P.S. Hah! wtf! It's not the funniest thing that I've heard this week but it is funny that you guys lost your clan because of botting. Get used to it or /quit
OK, got an answer from GM Pommo. Clear for me now.
Response (GM Pommo)04/24/2009 10:59 AMHi,
The members will have two choices - leave the clan, or stay in the clan without any clan privileges. We do not have the tools to assign or modify clan member privileges. That function is given to clan leader only. The clan leaders should be careful and understand that with great power comes great responsibilities. They have to be considerate to his members by not engaging in or doing something that might affect the entire clan.
I don't know, but it seems to me that if a clan leader that has possesion of a clan hall is banned, the clan hall should be immediately put up for auction. Especially since you cannot move any of the rights to other members. What's the purpose of letting a basically defunct clan keep a valuable and limited ingame asset.
I don't know, but it seems to me that if a clan leader that has possesion of a clan hall is banned, the clan hall should be immediately put up for auction. Especially since you cannot move any of the rights to other members. What's the purpose of letting a basically defunct clan keep a valuable and limited ingame asset.
simple: the game is hardcore.
see, you should have to work at getting things like boss jewels and S 80 + gear. when a clan gives it to members free just cause they farm it regularly, thats not hardcore. thats pretty p*ssy-like.
so removing from the game via banned clan leader makes you once again have to work for the things youll need, and not ebay the hell out of the game to get it.
gimme names of clanleaders (of top clans) that dont break any eula?
i can give u 1 name, petibras
Then I hope someday they all will pay the consequences as well. Just because almost every top clan does it, doesn't make it anymore justified or legal. It's not that hard to comprehend but apparently it is for some and I guessing it's from the ones who participate in such actions. I'm sure I will hear them QQ'ing in the forums once the hammer comes down on them too.
This reminds me of that old saying I used to hear over and over as a kid "if all your friends jumped off a bridge would you".
If you think it's that simple, you really are dumb. But that's why this game is dying. People like you. Dumb people.
No, it seems like the game is dying to you because the clan leader got banned for breaking the rules. What should have NCSoft done? They all ready state that you may be banned for botting.
No, it seems like the game is dying to you because the clan leader got banned for breaking the rules. What should have NCSoft done? They all ready state that you may be banned for botting.
Okay folks, I am locking this thread because it has degraded into a flame war.
As for this thread in general, as I've said before the GM's to not reguarly patrol these boards. Making a thread with a GM's name in it will not give it added weight or validity for a GM to read and respond.