Adena Spam's Starting Again -- Discussion

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Hey everyone,

I was really apprehensive about the Free Trials coming back again seeing as how badly they were abused the last time. Well it seems they're being abused again? I'm not sure, unless someone/somebot is risking their active accounts in order to spam.

I was under the impression that Free Trial accounts had severely limited chat rights. Is something different? Perhaps this person wasn't using a trial account. (Anyone from Sayha who was on around 11pm Eastern last night near the Giran GK knows what/who I'm talking about)

I hate that kind of spam! Drives me bonkers. And PS: For those of you who work for those companies that might be reading this, you aren't annoying people into buying your "service," you're just Ticking them off LOL spam =/= effective advertising. You can't use viral marketing if you're the only one that's got the virus. Catch muh drift? kthxbai!
There's one on Teon as well.... Twodh is his name. Camping Giran GK.
every server....
its insane these toons dont get banned on the spot. my petition gets answered (automatically) and its 12-24 hrs before the toon stops. im fairly sure im not the 1st person to /gm also so your looking at a 30 hr span from info to action...
you really should have someone whos job it is to jus read through "bad user" petitions and handle the ones that should be instant ban and send the more difficult ones to a folder for further investigation
It is quite easy to stop them... if NCSoft wants it. You cannot ban them fully but can censure the names of the sites... so they will stop to spam themselves when it becomes useless.
NCSoft is aware of them and they ban them as fast as they can.

Just /GM them and they are gone pretty fast if there is a GM online. :)
Godiva,

That's true but they were doing it in different forms last night. Here's a fake example:

T H I S S I T E G 0 L D. C 0 M

stuff like that with 0's and 1's and spaces, etc etc... so it wouldn't be feasable to block them b/c there are tons of ways to type it in.

Good idea though! :)
Also, I'm sitting here and they are still doing it. Either they aren't banning them, or they're using multiple accounts and connecting via a proxy.

And about just GM'ing it, I am doing that -- the problem is their response time isn't very good. I mean, what research do you have to do? Let's say, even hypothetically (although it has happened for real before) that Person "B" logged on Person "A's" account and did something stupid to purposefully get them banned (ie, spam for adena sites). So ban the account, even if only temporarily, to spare everyone else from having to look at that .

Do petition answering GM's not have a ban option? Is that only higher tiered support? Cause , it's not like the game is crashing and needs top-tier support this very second, but it sure is hella annoying LOL :P
Could atleast perma chat banned them until further investigation could be done...
PLEASE SACE! ROFL

I go to check my shop dwarf and her chat is always full of that

*curls up in the fetal position* make it stop, make it stop... make it stop *sobs*

*regains composure*

...

Hai :>
i love them,i have something to read to spend my time :/

luna is so dead,only adena spammers talk :D
Dont really get botherd with spam, just report and block him.
And then if he really gets under your skin, you go to the site and spam there 24/7 live support it's pretty fun.
Dont really get botherd with spam, just report and block him.
And then if he really gets under your skin, you go to the site and spam there 24/7 live support it's pretty fun.

The problem is you can block up to 60 players:-(
omg ROFL spamming their support, I didn't know they even had support. I should go do that! LOL I'll have to boot up a proxy though first, don't want them getting my real info >.>
So that's why Sayha now has a permanent adena seller in giran.
It spams white chat with a 30 second interval and is replaced as soon as it's banned.
Seriously annoying.
NCSoft is aware of them and they ban them as fast as they can.

Just /GM them and they are gone pretty fast if there is a GM online. :)

that's the problem...gm & online, can't really be put in the same sentence anymore :-(
It is weird, in the past when I would /gm it, they were gone in mins - but now the same toon seems to be around for days.

Moxie - this should be something to add to your list of things to work on..
Moxie is the AP, I don't think that makes her head of CS. Although it could? I don't know how their internal structure is... Either way, somebody should do something! :P
NCSoft is aware of them and they ban them as fast as they can.

Just /GM them and they are gone pretty fast if there is a GM online. :)


Exactly, if nobody report them it'll be without end
they can start with not allowing numbers in name and names with no meaning, like IIIIIIII

other games have that "feature"
I just saw another one of these at Kamael village tonight. Was one of the typical , phggp type names spamming Adena selling chat in normal white chat. Annoy people to come to your site is a very brain dead idea to market.
No idea why they even decided to open up free trials again, and not expect this to happen. Least it hasn't been PM spamming yet, but Giran is nothing but shouting about buying adena.
Moxie is the AP, I don't think that makes her head of CS. Although it could? I don't know how their internal structure is... Either way, somebody should do something! :P

She has stated in the past that she is working on fixing stuff like this with the CS team.

I don't know the internal structure either, just going off of her posts.
what i do most of the times is

/block charname :))) and my dorfy dont have spam chat of gold selling
I was doing that but every hour they'd be back with a different name LOL my /block list was filling up fast!
yes.. i saw yesterday in phoenix some guys in giran and dion advertising for adena selling or something.
You are seeing the gold sellers in town and in PM's again because people are still using there services. Naturally, so stop buying.
With every trial account promo you're going to get this same b.s.

Petition them.

Btw, lowly little Pirates of the Burning Sea gets this right. You right click on the name in chat, a menu drops down. One choice is "report toon for chat violation" or some such.

You report, a minute later the toon disappears when the in-game GM checks that it was he/she shouting.
No appeal, no delay, probably next to no mistakes. *poof*.....toon gone.

For all intents, there is no gold sell spamming in the game. Of course, there isn't much of a REASON to buy gold in that game either--lol.

Anyway--same b.s. different day.
~D~
With every trial account promo you're going to get this same b.s.

Petition them.

Btw, lowly little Pirates of the Burning Sea gets this right. You right click on the name in chat, a menu drops down. One choice is "report toon for chat violation" or some such.

You report, a minute later the toon disappears when the in-game GM checks that it was he/she shouting.
No appeal, no delay, probably next to no mistakes. *poof*.....toon gone.

For all intents, there is no gold sell spamming in the game. Of course, there isn't much of a REASON to buy gold in that game either--lol.

Anyway--same b.s. different day.
~D~

Having in-game GMs would be a good start period :/
Having in-game GMs would be a good start period :/
I vote visible In game GM !
After two weeks post statistic how many accounts log off while GMLIST changes :P
They should just do what other games do... If they have GM's in the CS department handling petitions, they should have even just 1 "Community Specialist" who just goes in world and does things in game. Every game I've ever worked for has had at least one of those, even if they work part time 20 hours a week. Just having someone "official" in world on a regular basis really has an impact.
adena spam on my server went on all night. Is is REALLY that difficult to just log in to giran and peruse white chat.
I was recently on WoW and they even still have non stop gold spam in town, what i'm trying to say is it's on every game and they are obviously hard to stop. was actually worse on there to be honest
i love them,i have something to read to spend my time :/

luna is so dead,only adena spammers talk :D
hahaha lol....

adena spammers is almost worse than bots, I hate spammers in town! :mad:
Jeez. Now i see 3 spamming sales for 3 different sites at once in Giran on Devianne. :(

Something has to be done about this problem.

Since trial accounts cannot interact with shops and stuff, why not put them on a seperate server so that we can be spared of this annoying spams. :p
Wonder when NcSoft is going to get their heads out of their ... All day, 3 different characters spamming adena shouts in Giran... Whose genius idea was it to open up free trials again, and not think through a way to avoid these issues again? This is freaking pathetic. Get rid of the trial accounts already, this implementation was obviously a complete failure.


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I mean, really... was this not properly thought through? Not one person raised their hand and was liek "Hey Guys, remember what happened last time... we sure we can stop it from happening again?" ... I mean, Really? :( I preferred getting PM spam, then this .
It's disgusting what these sites do, but it's even worse that it's allowed to happen. It just seems like they'd get frustrated eventually if the GM's were closing accounts or muting the characters.

What's so bad about this is there is a legit section of the community that benefits from Trial Accounts -- but it's abuses like these that kill it for everyone.

I think I'm going to start taking that suggestion and going to spam their 24/7 live support.

We should coordinate a spam attack on their live support lines. pssst... Sace, look the other way, pretend you don't see this... haha
Have to cry foul here to a degree.....

The REASON these sites use trial accounts to spam their sites is because PLAYERS support those sites, by selling them adena for real money and by buying adena to use in game.

This isn't a "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" scenario.

Players, generally very experienced and substantial players, cause this MARKET to exist! Period.

If no one sold to them or bought from them, they wouldn't exist. The problem here, as much as it falls back on NCSoft, is that your fragile fellow players just can't play the game straight up.

You want to crush NCSoft for allowing this--fine. Just spread equal venom to your little cheating buddies who CAUSE these services to exist.
~D~
As we can clearly see, the L2 server software still doesn't have a useful rate limiting on the server side. Which is a plain design failure.
Hi Everyone,

We're seeing the same increase that you are. We'll be stepping up our monitoring of the towns and hopefully have these spammers removed quickly. Please continue to report them using /gm so we can help get rid of them as quickly as possible.

Thanks for the reports, keep them coming, and please play safe. Don't buy Adena. Don't visit these sites. Encourage your friends to play safe as well.

-Moxie
If you log on to franz (and I assume most other servers) and are near the Giran gk, you will see multiple characters with names like "FHJEWHF" or "Fsdfssa" spamming every 3-4 seconds long white chat messages advertising adena sale sites.

You ask players not to buy adena but then you fail to take PROMPT action to reduce adena sales. If you did ban these advertisers within 1 hour of their first spam message, rather then ?5-7 days later, then it would hurt their profitability. Right now it is so lucrative for these actions, there are multiple companies competing with each other in Giran, not to mention other towns.

My question....why does it take so long to ban these accounts? My clanmates and I have petitioned these players and still see the exact same chars ingame a few days later. I understand it taking time to take action against "real" players who use 3rd party programs, but that is simply not the case here.

Suggestion #1 - add "report an adena seller" type to the current Petition system. That petition queue could be monitored once/hr by a GM who could take immediate action against the account upon verifying the ingame chat of the player involved.

Suggestion #2 - have an entry level employee log into each server and check Giran or other key locations for these activities. It shouldn't take a highly trained GM to take action against these accounts which are almost surely trial accounts, and their violations are so clear. I would suggest it takes less then 30 minutes to log in and out of each server, list the names of the "players" involved and ban their accounts.

These changes require a very small amount of effort from NC Soft and would make a difference to improving our servers.
Remember M jack' song :
(all i wanna say z that) they don't (really) care about us

NCSoft has NEVER taken action for comfort of real players. There is no GM in game, to help ppl facing problems or test the game in order to solve bugs (they have left this job to the players, it is more lucrative than to pay pro to test and solve issue IG).
Why shall they ban those accounts which are paid and make money? Buisness is buisness, and ncsoft has proved enough they only care about that. Even last bot-hunt was just a commercial move, as you can see nowadays the ful-bot-competition has start again.

L2's slowly dyin (from EU/NA servers point of view), and i wont bet on ncosft after L2. Never 1 single cent.
Remember M jack' song :
(all i wanna say z that) they don't (really) care about us

NCSoft has NEVER taken action for comfort of real players. There is no GM in game, to help ppl facing problems or test the game in order to solve bugs (they have left this job to the players, it is more lucrative than to pay pro to test and solve issue IG).
Why shall they ban those accounts which are paid and make money? Buisness is buisness, and ncsoft has proved enough they only care about that. Even last bot-hunt was just a commercial move, as you can see nowadays the ful-bot-competition has start again.

L2's slowly dyin (from EU/NA servers point of view), and i wont bet on ncosft after L2. Never 1 single cent.

Adena spammers = free trial accounts so your post is full of c r a p :D

And for the OP dunno why they are not banned yet, GM with that power dont work on the weekends ?
so your post is full of c r a p :D

Very logic. It does means money, i just intend something in my sentence that you can't understand. Allowing money selling makes money.

Anyways, thanks to ppl like you, human kind's improving.... ahah !
Very logic. It does means money, i just intend something in my sentence that you can't understand. Allowing money selling makes money.

Anyways, thanks to ppl like you, human kind's improving.... ahah !

c r a p <--- :D
Very logic. It does means money, i just intend something in my sentence that you can't understand. Allowing money selling makes money.

Anyways, thanks to ppl like you, human kind's improving.... ahah !

Try getting a better grip on the english language before attempting sarcasm again please.
Try getting a better grip on the english language before attempting sarcasm again please.

say C r a p smittie its the best defence/attack
say C r a p smittie its the best defence/attack

No I refuse.
but he is only level 16 and you are level 6,599, the c r a p skill would own him hard.
Weren't the free trials limited to 2 acc only per active char who is was active at least for 3 months? So actually to have free trials you still need some1 to pay.
Weren't the free trials limited to 2 acc only per active char who is was active at least for 3 months? So actually to have free trials you still need some1 to pay.

It was like that before, they activated the free trial again.
Ty so much smittie and leonid for your contribution , was my pleasure to read you.
(and i hope my english is good enough to avoid an advice)

And yeah,it's fun than after agitate the ban hammer , things are like they always be.
Now they stepped it up another notch, we get spammed by the in game mail system
They put like 2 or 3 in town going non-stop, one near the GK and one down near the steps so they can seem to hit everyone.
My dwarf got in game mail from one of them, none of my other toons got it. I never buy adena. When I seen what it was I deleted it.
it would be cool of them to create chars to auto follow you and spam. that would be the new updated spam model.
it would be cool of them to create chars to auto follow you and spam. that would be the new updated spam model.
Cool to who?
Not to me and not to the other legit players!!!
Hi Everyone,

We're seeing the same increase that you are. We'll be stepping up our monitoring of the towns and hopefully have these spammers removed quickly. Please continue to report them using /gm so we can help get rid of them as quickly as possible.

Thanks for the reports, keep them coming, and please play safe. Don't buy Adena. Don't visit these sites. Encourage your friends to play safe as well.

-Moxie

How about totally getting rid of the gatekeeper newbie quest in starter villages as a start? Giving trial accounts a free ride to giran (or any account for that matter)....good idea! Really
Cool to who?
Not to me and not to the other legit players!!!

I think (s)he was being sarcastic :P
I was recently on WoW and they even still have non stop gold spam in town, what i'm trying to say is it's on every game and they are obviously hard to stop. was actually worse on there to be honest


You should take a look at Star Trek Online.
It used to be flooded with spammers (even in open beta lol), but after they added some server side checks the spam is down to 1 in game mail a week (from 10 a day) and the chat is almost free of spam.

Players can right click on the spammers name and report it as a spam, if enough people report it the spammer gets chat banned until a GM checks it out and if extremely many are reporting the spammer then it's auto baned.
Also the spammers account gets added to your ignore list so you are ignoring all chars created on the given account.
Yeah Rohirrim,but for that,u should have a command u can use in town,not as the report bot button.It is known,there is no bot in safe zone.....
Yeah Rohirrim,but for that,u should have a command u can use in town,not as the report bot button.It is known,there is no bot in safe zone.....

Apart from around 75%+ of the private shop standing up and sitting down fully restocked at regular interwals, auto shouting in regular interwals, standing up and sit back down with a completely new shop if you happen to buy/sell the last thing the shop had, the SE/EE's that starts to recharge the dwarfs as soon as you start to craft on them, the shots shops that craft and sell 24/7 with 1 or 2 rechargers giving mp 24/7...

True, no bots in safe zone.
Cool to who?
Not to me and not to the other legit players!!!

was alitle joke on how the spammers would evolve with the changes, first they pm/shout, then they send ingame mail, then they follow you around :)

Is it only one company that spams ? or is it more then one ?
I have reported quite a few adena spammers by sending a messages to the GMs on 'illegal program use.' In every case, the GM responded in a timely manner and they removed the spamming toon. I was impressed how consistently quickly they resolved every issue.
I have reported quite a few adena spammers by sending a messages to the GMs on 'illegal program use.' In every case, the GM responded in a timely manner and they removed the spamming toon. I was impressed how consistently quickly they resolved every issue.

I haven't been home to play for about 3-4 days--but like Rumpunch, thursday evening (EST) in Giran I petitioned one of these guys and I got a "thank you" reply in less than a minute and the toon disappeared.
I was stunned!
it would be cool of them to create chars to auto follow you and spam. that would be the new updated spam model.

With the NC way of thinking this will be a new feature soon.
I haven't really experienced the spam in L2 but Aion had this when it first launched in spades.

It was so bad that one couldn't look at the chat box and read anything. However, they implemented a few things and it's practically gone. And I no longer get any type of mail spam at all. so I don't know why they just don't implement these changes to l2.

However, another thing players might consider is actually reporting them. Every gold spam store advertisment that I came across I reported. And usually with 30 minutes to a few hours they were gone. I have an e-mail box just filled with their multiple responses which.

Of course that would also have to mean that NC is just as dilligent in cleaning up the spam as they have been in Aion.
Try getting a better grip on the english language before attempting sarcasm again please.

Missed the idea? I'm sure not :)
Then you can apply that "sarcasm" to yourself.


Back on topic, i've reported websites shouters, and was pleased to notice 2 days later the shouter was still at work. My opinion (shared with a "few" players that i know) remains the same, reguardless my english :)
Missed the idea? I'm sure not :)
Then you can apply that "sarcasm" to yourself.


Back on topic, i've reported websites shouters, and was pleased to notice 2 days later the shouter was still at work. My opinion (shared with a "few" players that i know) remains the same, reguardless my english :)

Hi Borborygme,

If you experience this again in the future, can you please PM me the name of the spamming toon you have reported that was not removed along with the server name? I know this might be an inconvenient extra step you have to take and I apologize for that. However, I would really like to research these types of oversights so we can correct any kinks we might have in our process of identifying and removing spammers.

This goes for anyone else who sees the SAME toon in-game spamming for a long period of time. A long period of time can be considered more than a few hours. Ideally, these will be taken care of much faster, but for the sake of this type of investigation on my part, a few hours would warrant a closer look.

Thanks!

-Moxie
I noticed that the ones i /GM is gone after a while. Some times it takes a little longer.

I don't think i seen toons with the same names though.

A little question though. Is the spammers free accounts that are signed up? That is my guess atleast or else it would cost the spammers alot of money to have that service going.
Why don't you disable the chatting from Trial Accounts ?

And for example not to be isolated allow them to speak in party chat only.
Problem solved ...
Why don't you disable the chatting from Trial Accounts ?

And for example not to be isolated allow them to speak in party chat only.
Problem solved ...

then how would a REAL new trial player EVER get a party hmmmm????
then how would a REAL new trial player EVER get a party hmmmm????


By buying the game. Trial accounts cannot trade/buy from players anyways...
Maybe trial accounts should not be able to port either.