Updating the website

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I've been playing Lineage 2 for a long time. I browse the forums a lot, but never post, because the community is pretty bad. However that's not what this post is about.

I browse the forums a lot, so I see a lot of the same "type" of posts. However there is one type of post I'm yet to see. I'm yet to see anyone offering their assistance to NCSoft in a "useful" fashion.

For instance, we're all aware how behind NCSoft's Lineage 2 website is, so why doesn't someone who knows how to do that sort of thing step up? Has anyone offered? Has Lineage 2 personnel rejected anyone's "useful" help yet?

Well let me be the first (First I've seen) to offer my assistance to NCSoft. I'll update your website for FREE! If I'm not qualified to do it, then I bet 1000 other people, who are more qualified, would be MORE THAN GLAD to do it!

SUMMARIZED:

We want the Lineage 2 Official website updated. We want it so bad that we'll do it for you, FOR FREE! Please, if you need help, ask the community for it! The people who play this game LOVE it, so let us help YOU make it better! SO let some people with website experience help you to update your site! It can't hurt to ask, or try it, NCSoft.
Why update the official website, when players make excellent up-to-date websites?

http://lineage2.rochand.com/
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.

What about new design ?
I can make you one for free too.
they've already hashed out a new disgn it seems when they started with the front page, it was a test run...
now, will it stay that way?
who knows, there was feedback related to it, so i'm sure they're working on it.
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.

Youve been updating it for 3 months now. Its really not that big of a task, especially since there isnt exactly a lot of new gear that has been introduced over the last 2+ years.
give them a break, they're probably updating for Freya, or maybe even High 5 interlude.
which means there are many extra weapons, and armor, skills and other fun tricky devices to throw at us in a well organized manor.
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.

I noticed you said "All updates must be made by official representatives." Could a few people - who you select - be given a means to contact an official representative, so they can send them "information?" (All the "updates" will be made by official representatives.)
okay sry Sace but I'd access on ur new website project and here's a screenshot of it guys!



if u need me as designer, I can help with the player of the month! =D
LOL @ NA Pro Dawgs and EU Noobs (edit: the screen shot was removed)

Everyone knows the big leagues of L2 lies on Teon. Why else would all top parties of all top clans transfer to Teon?
I noticed you said "All updates must be made by official representatives." Could a few people - who you select - be given a means to contact an official representative, so they can send them "information?" (All the "updates" will be made by official representatives.)

The Items and Skills database is probably the most crucial out-of-date part of the website, and that will be updated via a new coding method by officials only. We have plans for lots of rewrites, revamping, and correcting errors on other pages, but I'm curious as to what kind of updates you would want to volunteer? If you explain what you have in mind I can give you more detailed answers.
wow that was quick.
here, i was looking for the image...
hey, mind pming me with that image, i gotta see what was so profane.
about the web site, can we get some more stuff thrown into the...

L2 Fun http://www.lineage2.com/minigames/index.html
Spotlight http://www.lineage2.com/community/spotlight.html (http://www.lineage2.com/community/spotlight.html)

sections...
that's some good stuff...
although i'm sure i'm the only one with free time to do non Grinding stuff...

Currently, we have a revamp plan for the Spotlight section that will hinge around us having new servers. That will be revealed around that time. :)

As for L2 Fun, the current plan is to toss that section, but this can be reconsidered. It won't get deleted or changed for a while, as that section is not a high-priority.

Let me know if you have other questions, I am happy to share with you some of the ideas we have for revamping and updating the website.
... did the name of this thread get changed?
hmm...

how hard is that? do you have to change each post? or is it automatic once you change the main thread title?
The Items and Skills database is probably the most crucial out-of-date part of the website, and that will be updated via a new coding method by officials only.

NC to English translation - We need to wait to add the broken translation portion of the skill description before we update.
thank you Sace, i hope mine and other's comments were not to harsh on the subject of the official webpage. we appreciate the update.
The Items and Skills database is probably the most crucial out-of-date part of the website, and that will be updated via a new coding method by officials only. We have plans for lots of rewrites, revamping, and correcting errors on other pages, but I'm curious as to what kind of updates you would want to volunteer? If you explain what you have in mind I can give you more detailed answers.

As far as volunteering updates. I have to regrettably announce that I do not yet know how to develop a functional website through html, css, or any other web development methods through similar methods, since I'm still in the process of learning such material.

Someone with more expertise in that area would have to volunteer ideas regarding that. Believe me, there are plenty of people here who have the know how to do just that, and they'd be willing to do it for free if given the opportunity.

However I would most definetely have to insist on making the website more welcoming to the community.

Here's a few thoughts of the top of my head to make the website more "welcoming."

1. Make the website's template into a more welcoming color, then the present doom-gloom color.

2. Enable commenting areas (talking areas) for users, on skills, items, classes, monsters, and everything regarding such. Here's an example -http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=http://lineage2.plaync.co.kr/&ei=nbRATIXxF9D7nAeXqZCfDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dl2%2Bkorea%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dvdf - click on any of the classes on the left.

3. Make a certain section within the site itself where people can upload, download, comment, and watch L2 fraps (like youtube).

All of these can be easily configured into the website if they're a web developer.

As for the website layout. I'd be more than happy to think up an extravagant website layout - in great detail - for you. However it will not be in html, css, or any of the "coding" you previously said. It will be much like a blueprint of how I think things should look. However this "blueprint" can be of just a small section of the site - like the skill area - but it may not match with your current developer's ideals, since they haven't been made public.


The entire development of a website, in the utmost detail, is not a complex thing, but thinking of the "worthy" detail is often difficult. I am more than glad to help with that anytime, for free, for as long - and whenever - you need my assistance.
Hi Siera,

I see what you mean now about volunteering updates. You mean to suggest how to redesign the website, what appearance or functions to give the website, and offer specific design concepts in blueprint form. I originally thought you mean that you wanted to write updated content on how certain parts of the game work and so on, which is an offer we sometimes hear. I'm afraid that any web development, coding, and blueprinting will be done by employees of NCsoft. This is, like above, for the sake of consistency across the brand products. Within the rules of consistency there some room for differences, however, hence the conversations in this thread.

Here are some comments I can make on suggestions you had:

1. Website color - The appearance of the website is up to the Web Team, who follow a particular protocol that they apply to all of NCsoft's game websites in an effort to maintain consistency across the brand products.

2. I followed that link to the Korean Lineage II website, here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=http://lineage2.plaync.co.kr/&ei=nbRATIXxF9D7nAeXqZCfDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=re%20sult&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dl2%2Bkorea%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dvdf). It looks like it has their forums incorporated into the main website, whereas we use a vBulletin host. Is this what you're getting at? Can you tell my why you like this method better?

3. Same as above, player-generated content is done on a forums, embedded into the information website.
I would suggest just to take a look at the Korean official Lineage Website and just do the translations where needed.The Korean official Lineage website is very well updated and informed in my opinion.
Hi Siera,

I see what you mean now about volunteering updates. You mean to suggest how to redesign the website, what appearance or functions to give the website, and offer specific design concepts in blueprint form. I originally thought you mean that you wanted to write updated content on how certain parts of the game work and so on, which is an offer we sometimes hear. I'm afraid that any web development, coding, and blueprinting will be done by employees of NCsoft. This is, like above, for the sake of consistency across the brand products. Within the rules of consistency there some room for differences, however, hence the conversations in this thread.

Here are some comments I can make on suggestions you had:

1. Website color - The appearance of the website is up to the Web Team, who follow a particular protocol that they apply to all of NCsoft's game websites in an effort to maintain consistency across the brand products.

2. I followed that link to the Korean Lineage II website, here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=http://lineage2.plaync.co.kr/&ei=nbRATIXxF9D7nAeXqZCfDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=re%20sult&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dl2%2Bkorea%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dvdf). It looks like it has their forums incorporated into the main website, whereas we use a vBulletin host. Is this what you're getting at? Can you tell my why you like this method better?

3. Same as above, player-generated content is done on a forums, embedded into the information website.

The current Lineage 2 site is just a Wiki.

I want to be able to interact with fellow L2 players in an exciting manner. If you incorporate the forums, user made Lineage 2 videos, a chat system (like IIRC), and other things relating to communication. You'd have a revolutionary site.

Just making a forum section where people can make threads about their frapses, so you can go to their link, through a website, and either download, or watch it streaming (depending on the site) is not exciting. It's strenuous. If you incorporate your own video uploading area where users can watch, comment, upload, and download other's videos, then that is a MUCH more attractive site.

Having a chat area, much like a chat room, will enable people to talk to others on different servers, or the same servers. You could even incorporate a Technical Support channel, on your website, instead of on the forums.

Incorporating the class discussion area of the forums into the actual class area on the website just sounds downright cool. A lot of websites that I've seen is like this one at the moment. You have an information Wiki, then you have a separate area for forums. That's just boring. There's no point in making the website where new people come to checkout the game look like an inactive ghost town. The livelier the better!

Website color - the website color is minorly important. However Lineage2.com isn't filled very much. It's just too empty and filled with inactivity. There is a new "latest news" post every week almost, and that's about it. It just turns off anyone who looks at it, and for those who do there's not a lot to see.

The forums LOOK the same. Things need to become livelier.
Just learn with their colleagues next door.

http://powerwiki.na.aiononline.com/aion/
A nice job of the Aion Staff, Much like the powerwiki l2 of the plaync.co.kr.


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'Live Status' is also a great feature of mmorpg + web2.0.
Just learn with their colleagues next door.

http://powerwiki.na.aiononline.com/aion/
A nice job of the Aion Staff, Much like the powerwiki l2 of the plaync.co.kr.


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'Live Status' is also a great feature of mmorpg + web2.0.

Hey, I can see my char! and it's still alive!
Hello Sace,

My dream is to get more information about Monsters drop and Spoils. Only a list like the Korea Powerwiki do.

here (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%97%98%EB%A6%AC%ED%8A%B8+%ED%84%B0%ED%8B%80%EB% A6%AC%EC%95%88) is an exemple, non translated but it's read-able.

You could see the monster name, a picture to identify it, and the hp/xp/sp and stats of the monster, and the drop list / spoil list.
It'll save time for a lot of people, and I personally think It sounds more serious for the company :) .

A full powerwiki is the best thing for me, but well it's a dream :D


About the website itself . The main problem is it's too static. You should choose between a portal with only information, statis and some discussions on the board, or a fully dynamic site. Why not adding some thread for each article, so players could speak about that topic ?

For exemple you write a page about the Underground coliseum, I could write how I tested it, what I loved or not, and others players give us their feeling.
Hello Sace,

My dream is to get more information about Monsters drop and Spoils. Only a list like the Korea Powerwiki do.

here (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%97%98%EB%A6%AC%ED%8A%B8+%ED%84%B0%ED%8B%80%EB% A6%AC%EC%95%88) is an exemple, non translated but it's read-able.

You could see the monster name, a picture to identify it, and the hp/xp/sp and stats of the monster, and the drop list / spoil list.
It'll save time for a lot of people, and I personally think It sounds more serious for the company :) .

A full powerwiki is the best thing for me, but well it's a dream :D


About the website itself . The main problem is it's too static. You should choose between a portal with only information, statis and some discussions on the board, or a fully dynamic site. Why not adding some thread for each article, so players could speak about that topic ?

For exemple you write a page about the Underground coliseum, I could write how I tested it, what I loved or not, and others players give us their feeling.

I completely agree with those ideas!!!!!!! I'd LOVE to see all those things implemented!
NC make even excatly same site but with l2 logo and l2 infos! I love this site!
i agree i would like to be able to search for drops and spoils as well as their rate.
+1 to us having a powerwiki type site. The Korean site is just too shmexy, even though I have to use google translate and half of it turns into engrish.
As for the layout of your database pages, you best take your inspiration from the Powerbook page Laby has linked, or from Toushijing:
http://gametsg.yatta.com.tw/lineage2/index.php?view=skill&k1=detail&skill=41942&change=1

The grey ideograms are the official text from the Powerbook, the green is additional information provided by players and checked by staff. Then you have a list with monsters which drop the Forgotten Scroll (which are of course linked to their own page), which classes can learn the skill at which level, screenshots of animations etc. provided by players, and a forum-type discussion thread where players ask questions or provide updates after patches.
For instance, we're all aware how behind NCSoft's Lineage 2 website is, so why doesn't someone who knows how to do that sort of thing step up? Has anyone offered? Has Lineage 2 personnel rejected anyone's "useful" help yet?

Well let me be the first (First I've seen) to offer my assistance to NCSoft. I'll update your website for FREE! If I'm not qualified to do it, then I bet 1000 other people, who are more qualified, would be MORE THAN GLAD to do it!

Sadly, NCSoft has turned down players wanting to help many times, even significant assistance, apart from certain feedback.

This has so far been their policy and they're sticking with it. (as can be seen by Sace's post) So apart from giving input, I am afraid you can't.

You'd be better off using your time improving the existing major L2 fansites out there (L2 EOGamer, L2 Vault, etc.), as you can do a lot more good there and it can still be shared with the community.

Sadly the amount of help in L2 is rather limited and scattered across many places, there's a very low amount of volunteers, but thats how L2 has always been in NA/EU.

Good luck.

Oh and it would be very nice if NCSoft had allowed for site managed databases like so many other NA MMOs have done, like EVE, Age of Conan, Final Fantasy Online, etc. like the site that shall not be mentioned and is no longer in service. Sadly its a "shoot yourself in the foot" policy.
Well let me be the first (First I've seen) to offer my assistance to NCSoft. I'll update your website for FREE! If I'm not qualified to do it, then I bet 1000 other people, who are more qualified, would be MORE THAN GLAD to do it!

Trust me, you are not the 1st to offer your assistance.

I offered my entire database to NCSoft long time ago:
http://lineage2.rochand.com/
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.

Why cant you guys put info like Korean l2 site where we can see drop list/hp/xp/sp of all mobs/raid boss/epics?
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.

This is good news BUT... I hope it is not causing a delay in us getting the Freya update? That would be awful :(

We have been waiting on the web site update for years and can wait for a little longer especially with sites like Rohirrim's, so please don't delay Freya for it. :o

and btw, the Recipes section should be added to the priority list. It is on Rohirrim's site too but it's disgraceful how inaccurate the official site recipes are so often wrong or missing.

ps: have your web person look at Rohirrim's site http://lineage2.rochand.com to see how complete his info is. It even tells which SA crystal is needed to add SA's to weapons which the official does not. His skills list shows which skills need a spellbook/forgotten scroll which is very helpful as well. TY Rohirrim :)
We are working on updating the website. I know you have heard that before, but it's true, we are working on it. All updates must be made by official representatives.

I can tell you that fixing the Items and Skills database is the highest priority as far as website fixes go.:mad:

How much time is late the website update? years?. Is a shame. Paying like global player and have poor services. This Lineage 2 NA WebSite is a SHAME.

The japaneses the lightyears of americans ....easy easy.

it is the incapacity.