Im a member of redsky. In case you dont know the clan that was "crying" for the
clanhall at Naia...before the previous sieges SH and RS had no castle and we needed
the castles in order to be able to take wards on the next TWs....
Oner gets banned just before sieges....and we cannot cast ofc...
After some days Oner get the following answer by NC Soft ( edited to comply with the forum rules )
Now tell me....SINCE WHEN GMS INTERFERE IN THE GAMEPLAY, you destroyed the game
of 200players for a siege. For how long can we be accepting your mistakes that destroy
the efforts of a lot...WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO BAN SOMEONE ARE YOU JUST TAKING A
LOOK WHO HE IS INGAME? i suppose not...i dont expect any answer from sace or moxie
but i just wanted the community here to be aware of it....
Oner got lucky...and Redsky should be thankful that they got off as they did instead of QQ'ing on the l2 forums... (there are other forums where your QQ is not received with anger vs hero worship) should be a perma ban but NCNA is being all wimpy with the new rule; 7 day ban for botting, then perma - tons of people are now botting because of the new rule.
Now tell me....SINCE WHEN GMS INTERFERE IN THE GAMEPLAY,
Since when players break the EULA.
WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO BAN SOMEONE ARE YOU JUST TAKING A LOOK WHO HE IS INGAME?
Yep, a perma-ban would have been much better in this case.
i suppose not...i dont expect any answer from sace or moxie but i just wanted the community here to be aware of it....
The community is well aware of it for a long time.
Actually a perma ban wouldn't be the best thing. Banning that 1 player would affect roughly 1000 players on Naia. If Exile looses this clan, what will happen to Naia? It will be a 1-sided server and half the people will quit due to boredom.
Actually a perma ban wouldn't be the best thing. Banning that 1 player would affect roughly 1000 players on Naia. If Exile looses this clan, what will happen to Naia? It will be a 1-sided server and half the people will quit due to boredom.
Try to use your brain before responding.
It was like that on Pheonix, lots of people just basically ignored them.
Actually a perma ban wouldn't be the best thing. Banning that 1 player would affect roughly 1000 players on Naia. If Exile looses this clan, what will happen to Naia? It will be a 1-sided server and half the people will quit due to boredom.
1. Not according to their existing track record.
2. No one said that banning 1 account would be enough.
Try to use your brain before responding.
Back at ya.
Btw, where all those "factors" gone from the Chronos forum? Nova losing their castle would've been kinda a forum event... but everything is quiet. Why?
Btw, where all those "factors" gone from the Chronos forum? Nova losing their castle would've been kinda a forum event... but everything is quiet. Why?
just a fyi but this is the Naia section, might be related to your question but hey I could be wrong ;)
ps, I agree with Hyper as destroying 1 side of a 2 sided server is just dumb
Actually a perma ban wouldn't be the best thing. Banning that 1 player would affect roughly 1000 players on Naia. If Exile looses this clan, what will happen to Naia? It will be a 1-sided server and half the people will quit due to boredom.
Try to use your brain before responding.
wait wait wait...
So Hyper and your fanbois are saying.. that one toon should be allowed to 100% bot/use exploits/**** accounts/etc (not saying that the toon in question does this btw...) and never get the ban hammer because it could effect @1000 accounts... please clarify your statement before I further respond.
So Hyper and your fanbois are saying.. that one toon should be allowed to 100% bot/use exploits/**** accounts/etc (not saying that the toon in question does this btw...) and never get the ban hammer because it could effect @1000 accounts... please clarify your statement before I further respond.
no im saying that ncsoft should look at what happens when said character is banned. if they are going to ban the clan leader of one of the main clans on the server, they should at least give the clan leader an option of who to transfer leadership to, and handle the situation properly so that 1000 players aren't screwed.
they can force the clan leader to log into the gm consolation area and ask them who to transfer the leadership to. they can talk through mails/support tickets/etc. to fix the situation.
but just banning the char and saying "owell you shouldnt have botted" and leaving it at that is the single most dumbest thing ncsoft can do, and would show how absolutely disconnected with their game they really are.
no im saying that ncsoft should look at what happens when said character is banned. if they are going to ban the clan leader of one of the main clans on the server, they should at least give the clan leader an option of who to transfer leadership to, and handle the situation properly so that 1000 players aren't screwed.
they can force the clan leader to log into the gm consolation area and ask them who to transfer the leadership to. they can talk through mails/support tickets/etc. to fix the situation.
but just banning the char and saying "owell you shouldnt have botted" and leaving it at that is the single most dumbest thing ncsoft can do, and would show how absolutely disconnected with their game they really are.
to sum up your posts... Ally/Clan Leaders are ok to bot/ebay/**** accounts/etc as far as you are concerned since NC does not "understand" how it works with server/clan/ally politics so to be safe, they should only make an exception to Ally/Clan Leaders once they have been banned to transfer leadership since well, those toons should get a "pass" on following the rules like the rest of us do... did I miss anything?
If a clan leader is botting/ebaying/cheating most clan members know he this fact, or they are too stupid to care. If anyone gets caught cheating, including a clan leader, they should pay the price. Cheaters know full well what they are doing and could care less about any rules, EULA, GM policy or the ramifications it they on other players.
Players that cheat only care about themselves. Cheaters have made their choice; they should pay the full price of breaking the rules, regardless.
Any clan leader who is willing to risk the enjoyment and status of his clan and its members by engaging in banable activity. Truely, does not deserve a break of any kind nor do they deserve to be a clan leader.
Not like this is the first time a clan leader in a high profile pvp clan has been banned ( perma even ) before. Clans start over and rebuild.
After years of pretty much free unhindered botting anyone that still needs to ride that crutch is a epic failure anyway.
to sum up your posts... Ally/Clan Leaders are ok to bot/ebay/**** accounts/etc as far as you are concerned since NC does not "understand" how it works with server/clan/ally politics so to be safe, they should only make an exception to Ally/Clan Leaders once they have been banned to transfer leadership since well, those toons should get a "pass" on following the rules like the rest of us do... did I miss anything?
um yea, you missed the point where i said it was fine to ban them, just dont throw the clan leadership away and screw a ton of people.
but nice try attempting to make me out to be a bot supporter u noob.
edit: if this wasn't such an issue then why did ncsoft hold a poll asking the playerbase what to do, which resulted in the majority stating the clan should vote for a new leader in the event a clan leader was banned. ncsoft still needs to revisit this just like the territory war badge issue.
quit trying so hard cabbie, the more u try, the more you look like a fool
dont blame NCsoft, blame your clan leader who put his clan at risk by botting.
why do you expect NCsoft to analize the impact of a ban in the game politics, when your clan leader obviously didnt.
join a legit clan, and you'll not find yourself in these situations.
1. Im not in redsky, oner isnt my clan leader.
2. Asking a clan to micro manage what a clan leader does is lol, are they supposed to be on 24/7 watching them?
3. The clan members are who built a clan, not the leader. If the leader is banned, it should go back to the people who helped build the clan up. Sometimes people can change their mind on this game and not care anymore, the clan members cant control that.
4. L2's population is dwindling, hence the massive merge. Performing a ban that would affect roughly 1/4th the playerbase on a server should be looked at more closely.
ps, I agree with Hyper as destroying 1 side of a 2 sided server is just dumb
Who said "destroying one side"? If NCsoft actually takes a look on who is who in the game they will be neutering both sides.
you're dreaming if you think it ends there, surprise me and make NC soft ban all elua breakers regardless of clans based on the past year see how many players will be left..
once they ban 80% of their player base they can finally close the servers and be ready for the lay offs as NC Corp won't need them anymore
stop being an idiot and realize what the long term consequences are of what your saying, on the other hand I would love to see my char transfer to L2 Korea once NA closes so w/e
IMO I believe that ANYONE botting should be banned and not given the chance to make up for the loss. The clan under the player in question should not have allowed the botting to take place in the beginning. The leader should be setting an example not cheating to stay above them all. I dont play on Naia so I am not sure of what the problem of losing this guy will cause. Just my 2 cents :rolleyes:
why pretend u guys care about oner it was ITT who mass petitioned oner probaly if u want competition tell your clan members to turn off their 3rd programs , dunno why Oner is banned probaly did something bad and ITT found out about it by having a spy in their clan . whatever i have seen so many in ITT whos on programs and only got a warning once or twice .
bad luck for u oner.
i mean how many times havent u seen Ipromi qqing in hero about if they would ban ppl with walker l2 euro server would die.
just lol at this guy
just a fyi but this is the Naia section, might be related to your question but hey I could be wrong ;)
ps, I agree with Hyper as destroying 1 side of a 2 sided server is just dumb
then said clan leader should ensure he is beyond reproach ? perhaps im misreading this but r ppl suggesting that ppl that warrant a ban shouldnt get one because it will kill the server ?
aside from the obvious = dont cheat if u dont want a ban, the truth is no one person is that important and if ppl dont want a one sided server it will change soon enough.
why pretend u guys care about oner it was ITT who mass petitioned oner probaly if u want competition tell your clan members to turn off their 3rd programs , dunno why Oner is banned probaly did something bad and ITT found out about it by having a spy in their clan . whatever i have seen so many in ITT whos on programs and only got a warning once or twice .
bad luck for u oner.
i mean how many times havent u seen Ipromi qqing in hero about if they would ban ppl with walker l2 euro server would die.
just lol at this guy
Sorry, but exile were the first people to ever mass petition back in f2b days, and as far as i know were the only ones to ever do it. I was never informed of any mass petition nor is it in our forums so nice try at starting pointless drama. Not to mention that the last thing ITT wants is for exile to be gone. What pvp would we get if exile no longer existed?
In regards to oner, i heard it was a mistake on ncsoft's part, so all is fine i beleive. Not to mention oner has no reason to bot since hes 85 and 100% for a long time now.
besides the fact none of the arguments posted here be them in favor or against have anything to add to the whole discussion that was held there and NC knows the opinions raised.. but by all means please keep arguing for the sake of it like it will matter..
funny fact thou is that 2 members of SH are here sort of defending X lolz, the end of the world must be near ^^
Im a member of redsky. In case you dont know the clan that was "crying" for the
clanhall at Naia...before the previous sieges SH and RS had no castle and we needed
the castles in order to be able to take wards on the next TWs....
Oner gets banned just before sieges....and we cannot cast ofc...
After some days Oner get the following answer by NC Soft ( edited to comply with the forum rules )
Now tell me....SINCE WHEN GMS INTERFERE IN THE GAMEPLAY, you destroyed the game
of 200players for a siege. For how long can we be accepting your mistakes that destroy
the efforts of a lot...WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO BAN SOMEONE ARE YOU JUST TAKING A
LOOK WHO HE IS INGAME? i suppose not...i dont expect any answer from sace or moxie
but i just wanted the community here to be aware of it....
So you clan leader got banned for clicking "I agree" then breaking what he/she agreed upon? Then you come here to cry and expect an audience?
Its just a game. You wouldn't have taken the time to post something like this considering the time it took and obvious hard thought it took to for you to hold the caps lock down and use the "..." as if you were trying to make a point.
2. Asking a clan to micro manage what a clan leader does is lol, are they supposed to be on 24/7 watching them?
3. The clan members are who built a clan, not the leader. If the leader is banned, it should go back to the people who helped build the clan up. Sometimes people can change their mind on this game and not care anymore, the clan members cant control that.
4. L2's population is dwindling, hence the massive merge. Performing a ban that would affect roughly 1/4th the playerbase on a server should be looked at more closely.
I agree with all Hyperlite's writes here.
And btw,im in GF,allied with Red and the reason i agree has nothing to do with this but with common logic and feeling of the game.2 times in 2-3 months Redsky, is ''hitted'' by gms actions,i agree 100% that anyone should get banned if he deserves too but both actions maybe a result of a plan gms did for gaming which doesnt work always correctly and it messes players lifes.
Do i need to remind the clanhalls senario?........................
As for ban for botting,i can only say that 1 clannie got banned 1 month ago and he couldnt understand why,he was not even online got he got the ban,when he tried to log he thought at first that he has some problem in connection and he came in vent and in forum to see if we are online,then he mailed nscoft asking why he cant log and what they have against him,then he got a mail after 1 day telling him they unban him and not to party with people using programs...So....taking ban these days maybe is not 100% = You were breaking the eula and you knew it=,we are on pvp clans,we all have to party with people that may use programs and we cant be always sure of it,many actions can be performed with macros also or with F keys.
What i want to say,if you want to ban everyone just in case he broke the eula and this person happens to be the clanleader of the 1 of the 2 biggest clans that remained on game,can u at least find a way to transfer leadership and then deal with the person ?
His clan is not the guildy one,neither all the players that stayed home in weekend to play on siege with bad lag and try to achieve something in this game like taking a castle,or fight for hero or whatever.
And yes,our servers bleed to death,for so many years L2 was kept alive by single players and some groups/clans that through fansites or clans tried to continue the game and catch up the updates when officiel work was not there.
There's no plan of revival L2, only a last try to save what is left,give players a better enviroment from what they had untill recently,show us the money and the time we spend all these years on these servers were not for nothing and maybe make some players who left to come back and in time servers grow again.
If gms 'team work is on this direction(and thats how it seems to be),letting the oldest and biggest clan of all servers who kept L2 alive on NA (since all players that wanted to pvp left their servers sooner or later to go Teon and join Redsky/Storm and later SH), at first without clanhall and then without a leader,is a good move? or is it like you are killing what is left from L2 faster?
Actually a perma ban wouldn't be the best thing. Banning that 1 player would affect roughly 1000 players on Naia. If Exile looses this clan, what will happen to Naia? It will be a 1-sided server and half the people will quit due to boredom.
Try to use your brain before responding.
Actually a leader of a big bot clan should get perma ban the first time. He is deffinitelly aware of the risks and benefits of cheating, he doesnt need warning.
And he lacks brains too, many bot clans have "legit" leader to avoid such things. A level 1 dwarf tho cant crest easily, but they could make a tank at least a grade, for this purpose. Cheaters know very well all these things, he was too lazy tot ake the necessary precautions, then he is the only one to be blamed and the clan should judge him based on that.
Server politics should be irelevant when a cheater is caught, may the cheater with best protection from ban (different IP, full "legit" account) win ! The ones that dont know basics should not lead a serious clan, that is for certain, he has only himself to be blamed for his error.
M
um yea, you missed the point where i said it was fine to ban them, just dont throw the clan leadership away and screw a ton of people.
but nice try attempting to make me out to be a bot supporter u noob.
edit: if this wasn't such an issue then why did ncsoft hold a poll asking the playerbase what to do, which resulted in the majority stating the clan should vote for a new leader in the event a clan leader was banned. ncsoft still needs to revisit this just like the territory war badge issue.
quit trying so hard cabbie, the more u try, the more you look like a fool
Hyper you are the one that is looking like a fool, I mean really.. stop trying - you are saying that a clan leader is free to break the rules since even if banned then the clan will stay as it is meaning that clan leaders are free to do what ever they want since the "clan" will not be harmed - the clan leader is responsible for the clan, and if that leader takes a risk by breaking the rules then everyone in that clan should pay the price.
To the "poll" that was made, hahahahahahahaha, if the poll was made again, I bet that it would swing the other way - they only did that to keep the masses mouth shut about the "QQ to unban" when a clan leader got the axe.
Here is how it could work if that system was put in place:
1 - suddenly everyone is a clan leader of a two toon clan,
2 - "clan leader" bots to level 85 bla bla bla and puts all the drops/spoils in the CWH,
3 - suddenly that clan leader gets the ban and then the leadership is transferred to the other member in the clan
4 - ???
5 - profit?
no im saying that ncsoft should look at what happens when said character is banned. if they are going to ban the clan leader of one of the main clans on the server, they should at least give the clan leader an option of who to transfer leadership to, and handle the situation properly so that 1000 players aren't screwed.
they can force the clan leader to log into the gm consolation area and ask them who to transfer the leadership to. they can talk through mails/support tickets/etc. to fix the situation.
but just banning the char and saying "owell you shouldnt have botted" and leaving it at that is the single most dumbest thing ncsoft can do, and would show how absolutely disconnected with their game they really are.
afaik redsky is in ally with greenfire; io redsky should learn fro greenfire to set up clan leader a never boted/ebayed toon, since they "lost" like that revenge. but i guess the coms between clans aren't that smooth :D
afaik redsky is in ally with greenfire; io redsky should learn fro greenfire to set up clan leader a never boted/ebayed toon, since they "lost" like that revenge. but i guess the coms between clans aren't that smooth :D
Not only, for example Angels have or had as CL a selling dwarf, all bot clans should have at least this level of brains to set up as leader a "legit" account. I mean, this is really idiotic, a mega bot leader of a mega bot clan cant think of this ? Or they are so convinced of their impunity that it never crossed their minds that there is a slight chance that GMs will check them some time ?
This is one of the reason anotehr bot clan didnt get CH because they had as CL someone who had banned accounts in the past... They didnt think that could be a criteria for CH awarding, after all, at first it looked like all the CHs will go to "active" clans.
I think they are really convinced of this impunity, hence the OP indignation that a bot was really banned, even temporarely... And I dont blame them given the level of (in)activity of GMs in the past. They are still far from what they should be, but there are some encouraging signs and all cheater clans should take the necessary precautions. Failure to do that voids the right to come here and QQ.
M
Not only, for example Angels have or had as CL a selling dwarf, all bot clans should have at least this level of brains to set up as leader a "legit" account. I mean, this is really idiotic, a mega bot leader of a mega bot clan cant think of this ? Or they are so convinced of their impunity that it never crossed their minds that there is a slight chance that GMs will check them some time ?
This is one of the reason anotehr bot clan didnt get CH because they had as CL someone who had banned accounts in the past... They didnt think that could be a criteria for CH awarding, after all, at first it looked like all the CHs will go to "active" clans.
I think they are really convinced of this impunity, hence the OP indignation that a bot was really banned, even temporarely... And I dont blame them given the level of (in)activity of GMs in the past. They are still far from what they should be, but there are some encouraging signs and all cheater clans should take the necessary precautions. Failure to do that voids the right to come here and QQ.
M
haha, well said man :)
Not only, for example Angels have or had as CL a selling dwarf, all bot clans should have at least this level of brains to set up as leader a "legit" account. I mean, this is really idiotic, a mega bot leader of a mega bot clan cant think of this ? Or they are so convinced of their impunity that it never crossed their minds that there is a slight chance that GMs will check them some time ?
This is one of the reason anotehr bot clan didnt get CH because they had as CL someone who had banned accounts in the past... They didnt think that could be a criteria for CH awarding, after all, at first it looked like all the CHs will go to "active" clans.
I think they are really convinced of this impunity, hence the OP indignation that a bot was really banned, even temporarely... And I dont blame them given the level of (in)activity of GMs in the past. They are still far from what they should be, but there are some encouraging signs and all cheater clans should take the necessary precautions. Failure to do that voids the right to come here and QQ.
M
Hey Cabbie is back. We get fresh pics.
So is redsky a botclan? :confused:
A permaban would be better in this case. If Clanleader can bot then should we all bot?
for those with a working brain yes, long time ago even as there's really not much to add to what I already said here but it's funny to see how many variations can be posted on a topic that's as old as the game :P
for those with a working brain yes, long time ago even as there's really not much to add to what I already said here but it's funny to see how many variations can be posted on a topic that's as old as the game :P
Yeah, but they didnt learn the first QQs about CHs, they now come here with similar stories, like, "hey, we are too important cheaters to be banned, all cheaters will suffer if we are no more" kind of stuff. One day GMs will manage to make it clear, but till then we need to explain them over and over in as many variations as we can imagine in the hope one will manage to get through.
M
for those with a working brain yes, long time ago even as there's really not much to add to what I already said here but it's funny to see how many variations can be posted on a topic that's as old as the game :P
im in the same boat as you, i said what i thought, no point in discussing my opinion anymore when anything i say cant be comprehended by people in this thread.
im in the same boat as you, i said what i thought, no point in discussing my opinion anymore when anything i say cant be comprehended by people in this thread.
For now.. but going on travel for work again... so limited access. :)
im in the same boat as you, i said what i thought, no point in discussing my opinion anymore when anything i say cant be comprehended by people in this thread.
so says the person that lost the argument.. first sign of loss was lowering yourself to name calling... the rest was just icing on the cake...
You took my original statement in this thread as the following:
wait wait wait...
So Hyper and your fanbois are saying.. that one toon should be allowed to 100% bot/use exploits/**** accounts/etc (not saying that the toon in question does this btw...) and never get the ban hammer because it could effect @1000 accounts... please clarify your statement before I further respond.
I then clarified what i said with the following post (specifically saying that banning the clan leader is fully acceptable btw):
no im saying that ncsoft should look at what happens when said character is banned. if they are going to ban the clan leader of one of the main clans on the server, they should at least give the clan leader an option of who to transfer leadership to, and handle the situation properly so that 1000 players aren't screwed.
they can force the clan leader to log into the gm consolation area and ask them who to transfer the leadership to. they can talk through mails/support tickets/etc. to fix the situation.
but just banning the char and saying "owell you shouldnt have botted" and leaving it at that is the single most dumbest thing ncsoft can do, and would show how absolutely disconnected with their game they really are.
You then apparently failed to read my follow up post and continued with your false accusations of how I am supporting botting and that I fully support clan leaders being able to bot freely without any penalty (which i clearly didn't) with the following post:
to sum up your posts... Ally/Clan Leaders are ok to bot/ebay/**** accounts/etc as far as you are concerned since NC does not "understand" how it works with server/clan/ally politics so to be safe, they should only make an exception to Ally/Clan Leaders once they have been banned to transfer leadership since well, those toons should get a "pass" on following the rules like the rest of us do... did I miss anything?
Then I stated that you comprehended my post wrong, and that the main problem is that NC Soft needs to look at the clan leadership and make a fix so that tons of people don't quit due to loosing a clan (not necissarily the clan leader) while also noting the forum wide pole which clearly shows people want a vote on a new leader in the event of a ban with the following post:
um yea, you missed the point where i said it was fine to ban them, just dont throw the clan leadership away and screw a ton of people.
but nice try attempting to make me out to be a bot supporter u noob.
edit: if this wasn't such an issue then why did ncsoft hold a poll asking the playerbase what to do, which resulted in the majority stating the clan should vote for a new leader in the event a clan leader was banned. ncsoft still needs to revisit this just like the territory war badge issue.
quit trying so hard cabbie, the more u try, the more you look like a fool
Then, somehow in the process of better describing my opinion and pointing out that i fully support a full on ban after NCsoft takes care of the clan (not the clan leader), you still refuse to read my posts and follow up with the following:
Hyper you are the one that is looking like a fool, I mean really.. stop trying - you are saying that a clan leader is free to break the rules since even if banned then the clan will stay as it is meaning that clan leaders are free to do what ever they want since the "clan" will not be harmed - the clan leader is responsible for the clan, and if that leader takes a risk by breaking the rules then everyone in that clan should pay the price.
To the "poll" that was made, hahahahahahahaha, if the poll was made again, I bet that it would swing the other way - they only did that to keep the masses mouth shut about the "QQ to unban" when a clan leader got the axe.
Here is how it could work if that system was put in place:
1 - suddenly everyone is a clan leader of a two toon clan,
2 - "clan leader" bots to level 85 bla bla bla and puts all the drops/spoils in the CWH,
3 - suddenly that clan leader gets the ban and then the leadership is transferred to the other member in the clan
4 - ???
5 - profit?
and then somehow, in the midst of you changing every single post i made into something it clearly wasnt, i lost the argument...
But how can I loose an argument when you completely failed at holding an argument in the first place? Taking my counter arguments (that better explained my stance and reasons behind my opinion) and then making up a completely false meaning from them is not arguing, its showing everyone that all you wanted to do was attempt to show me as someone who wants all clan leaders to run free and be allowed to bot without penalty and hoping people wouldn't take the time to read my posts. However, in reality that is not what my posts said. In fact they said the exact opposite.
The only difference is that I care about the general population of our L2 servers, you and numerous other people in this thread don't. taking away 1 side of a 2 sided server that affects 1/3 of the entire server population will kill the game. Maybe all the people (like yourself, Krissa, and even maybe MaoMao) really just want this game to die. Who knows...
But once again, come back at me with false accusations about what my posts don't mean so then once again you can show everyone how awesome you are.
Maybe all the people (like yourself, Krissa, and even maybe MaoMao) really just want this game to die. Who knows...
Everybody knows I dont want the game to die, that is PRECISELY why I try to explain to NCNA ppl that while bots seem to pay more than legits, in reality they chase away much more customers than their accounts. That is why bots should be slowly eliminated and given some examples, to show some restraint at least, giving major bot clans licenses to bot because they are some of the best cheaters is in no way a good example. The same proportion of cheaters should be banned in all clans (well, in those that have them), but sometimes it cant be helped when some expose themselves foolishly while others take the necessary precautions. The careless cheater will be caught sooner than the one always on the lookout, given the same level of luck for both. However, given enough time, all will be caught.
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Everybody knows I dont want the game to die, that is PRECISELY why I try to explain to NCNA ppl that while bots seem to pay more than legits, in reality they chase away much more customers than their accounts. That is why bots should be slowly eliminated and given some examples, to show some restraint at least, giving major bot clans licenses to bot because they are some of the best cheaters is in no way a good example. The same proportion of cheaters should be banned in all clans (well, in those that have them), but sometimes it cant be helped when some expose themselves foolishly while others take the necessary precautions. The careless cheater will be caught sooner than the one always on the lookout, given the same level of luck for both. However, given enough time, all will be caught.
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i said "maybe" you, as your forum posts dont seem to suggest such things
I try to explain to NCNA ppl that while bots seem to pay more than legits, in reality they chase away much more customers than their accounts.
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I know is very far from original topic but once topic drifted to that area .. let it be.
There are two group of customers for NC.
1st - so called "legits" - means those who hasn't been banned or pretend to be legit. :rolleyes:
2nt - rest ;)
If you ban 2nd group instantly NC got serious trouble.
Players from SH/X admit that at least 80% of members use 3rd programs to exp/pvp. If you add that most of them has 2-3 even more accounts... it give at least 60 % of population should be banned today instantly.
My guess in so-called non-factor clans (don't put any name), 30-50 % of people use some software as well.
Someone, forgot who and where (in that forum) had great idea.
Proposition was:
Punish ppl not by perma-ban but doing penalty against breaking rule.
OK let list:
People bot to gain exp?
Do temp ban 7 days and additionally drop exp rate for 3 weeks (no exp gain)
People bot to gain mats?
Do temp ban 7 days and additionally not able pick-up/exchange items for 3 weeks. (aka Cleft bots)
People use 3rd to PvP?
Ban for 7 days and additionally for next 3 weeks character stats are like naked one/not able to get buffs (not possible to PvP 3 weeks)
That would solve problem in 90%.
Normal players would afraid to get such punishment and bots for Adena shops would be inefficient. RTM became very expensive and would be effectively cut-off.
And what is most important from NC soft perspective they not loosing any paid accounts.
Maybe some people resign but it should be not more than few percent.
Win-Win scenario?
P.S. Ofc for discuss is is 3 weeks or less/more.
What to do with ppl who brake rule 2nd/3rd time
Is it applicable for account or IP, etc.