In my honest opinion the Programmers developpers and PR team in NC soft korea made a big mistake to want to extend Lineage 2 with the GoD chronicle.
God should have been the first chronicle on Lineage 3, and it still can be if we all let our voices be heard.
It's not up to the developpers GM's or anny other staff member of NC soft Korea to decide FOR us.
Content of a game has still to be aproved by the majority of players.
And when the content that is not even tested yet makes players go "now way" in advance , makes them revolt so badly, they need to be heard then, and the developpers really need to listen to their Clients .
With that attitude yes, then they got all the power in their hands.
Most game developpers have a clear picture in their mind of how they want the game to be and how they want ti to be played by their clientele.
But game developpers are hardly realistic people and certainly not good PR people who know (or are in touch) with whatthe game community actually REALLY wants, and they will alwasy try to push their will trough.
Unless we all say "no thanks" we want it diffirently.
If thye would make out of GoD the new Lineage3 game or whatever they will call it a lot of people would most certainly go there, because its a fresh start and everyone start's on the same basis.
For the ones remaining in L2 a verry simple solution can be set on too,
They can still relase the chronicle of GoD as planned minus the 4th class expansion.
Instead of putting 4th class at lvl 85 just delay it to lvl 88 and just ad 4 new skills or LVL 2's of skills already existing from lvl 76 + skills
Problem solved.
Should be a new game IMO. They are completely changing L2 and the class structure with this update, that should be enough of a clue that it should be a new game.
With that attitude yes, then they got all the power in their hands.
Most game developpers have a clear picture in their mind of how they want the game to be and how they want ti to be played by their clientele.
But game developpers are hardly realistic people and certainly not good PR people who know (or are in touch) with whatthe game community actually REALLY wants, and they will alwasy try to push their will trough.
Unless we all say "no thanks" we want it diffirently.
If thye would make out of GoD the new Lineage3 game or whatever they will call it a lot of people would most certainly go there, because its a fresh start and everyone start's on the same basis.
For the ones remaining in L2 a verry simple solution can be set on too,
They can still relase the chronicle of GoD as planned minus the 4th class expansion.
Instead of putting 4th class at lvl 85 just delay it to lvl 88 and just ad 4 new skills or LVL 2's of skills already existing from lvl 76 + skills
Problem solved.
I played a lot of NCSOFT games including Aion, L2, GW etc... and I was always very proactive, participating in polls, reporting bugs/bots/problems participating in beta. And it didnt take long to figure out that we are numbers. I played most of the MMOs in the market and NCSOFT is the less responsive company making games. They have a plan, they will do it no matter what. The only way we would be listened would be ALL players to cancel the subscription, and that is impossible. Do what they will, NCSOFT is NCSOFT and we cant change that.
I´ve given up the fight, others can carry my flag :P
I understand why the NCwest don't care about these votes. Because mostly always the 20-25 provoker open/comment to these forum.
ChikariSu, MaoMao, Hyperlite, Redneck, Smittie, Atarth etc. You/these users almost all time provoke the NCsoft not important what the NCsoft make.
I think 90% of players really dont care about a new lineage series at world wide. Next of them Lineage 2 is the 3rd biggest P2P game on the market.
We could see, that the MMO series aren't successful enough. It was an understandable step when 10 years ago the dev team make a new MMO episode to make it in 3D.
But now the technology enough good to remake an MMO.
For these reasons I think we never won't see World of Warcraft 2, AION 2, Rift 2 or Eve Online 2 too.
I understand why the NCwest don't care about these votes. Because mostly always the 20-25 provoker open/comment to these forum.
ChikariSu, MaoMao, Hyperlite, Redneck, Smittie, Atarth etc. You/these users almost all time provoke the NCsoft not important what the NCsoft make.
I think 90% of players really dont care about a new lineage series at world wide. Next of them Lineage 2 is the 3rd biggest P2P game on the market.
We could see, that the MMO series aren't successful enough. It was an understandable step when 10 years ago the dev team make a new MMO episode to make it in 3D.
But now the technology enough good to remake an MMO.
For these reasons I think we never won't see World of Warcraft 2, AION 2, Rift 2 or Eve Online 2 too.
Yes we are not the grey masses who follow like sheep like annyone else would.
U stated it rigth we are the ones that will open up a revolution and make things MOVE, unlike everyone else that just goes with the flow or sides with the winning side.
It can be as tough as it wants, if i got an opinion i'm not gonna keep it in my pocket.
BTW profeta do u even know what will happen to u'r class in God , most likely u don't have a clue , and that's why u'r so giddy-o about it.
Bet u'r gonna be the one whining when it comes out.
U'r a profet, u'r master key is CC, well kiss it goodby in GOD.
Now u'r turn !
Yes we are not the grey masses who follow like sheep like annyone else would.
U stated it rigth we are the ones that will open up a revolution and make things MOVE, unlike everyone else that just goes with the flow or sides with the winning side.
It can be as tough as it wants, if i got an opinion i'm not gonna keep it in my pocket.
BTW profeta do u even know what will happen to u'r class in God , most likely u don't have a clue , and that's why u'r so giddy-o about it.
Bet u'r gonna be the one whining when it comes out.
U'r a profet, u'r master key is CC, well kiss it goodby in GOD.
Now u'r turn !
I have lvl 85 adventurer and lvl 84 Fortune Seeker too and Hell Knight too on another my another accounts too.
So I will have party:)
Still nobody didn't see which skills will be exchanged. I know my all new buffs and they are fine.
I'm sure in it, that still will be many changes about the classes. I think nobody doesn't support the class reduce system, so this is the point what can change strongly.
Everything else what will comes with the Goddess of Destruction are excellent contents mostly ppls love it.
"we are the ones that will open up a revolution and make things MOVE"
You are who at firstly destroy this game community with your comments.
Should be a new game IMO. They are completely changing L2 and the class structure with this update, that should be enough of a clue that it should be a new game.
I have lvl 85 adventurer and lvl 84 Fortune Seeker too and Hell Knight too on another my another accounts too.
So I will have party:)
Still nobody didn't see which skills will be exchanged. I know my all new buffs and they are fine.
I'm sure in it, that still will be many changes about the classes. I think nobody doesn't support the class reduce system, so this is the point what can change strongly.
Everything else what will comes with the Goddess of Destruction are excellent contents mostly ppls love it.
"we are the ones that will open up a revolution and make things MOVE"
You are who at firstly destroy this game community with your comments.
Change is one thing, turning Lineage 2 into lineage 3 whitout asking everybody if they are ok wiht it is NOT OK.
People who have played this game came for the diversity of classes in the first place and now 32 are gonan get squirmed into 8.
yes and u'r hell knight will be just a common knight amongst others
and ur BH will just be an underskilled dagger..
indeed great progress...
More clonework at hand
plus dont forget u'r BH will be humanized so - 5000 hp underskilled dagger for you.
Change is one thing, turning Lineage 2 into lineage 3 whitout asking everybody if they are ok wiht it is NOT OK.
People who have played this game came for the diversity of classes in the first place and now 32 are gonan get squirmed into 8.
yes and u'r hell knight will be just a common knight amongst others
and ur BH will just be an underskilled dagger..
indeed great progress...
More clonework at hand
plus dont forget u'r BH will be humanized so - 5000 hp underskilled dagger for you.
1. The development team decided next to class reduce, because someone always cried, that another class from the same category is stronger.
Like Warrior classes all cried cuz Titan has strong frenzy now, the titans cry why the dev team decrease its power. Before it the all warrior classes cried cuz Berserker has disarm.
But if they would give same skills to all, wouldn't be difference between the classes than we again just play with 8 different classes.
2. the l3 was just an urban legend mostly so it never was a game.
This is a new or mostly new development team. They work by story line and by their ideas.
How i see the newest news about the Goddess of Destruction it looks like amazing, AMAZING!!
1. The development team decided next to class reduce, because someone always cried, that another class from the same category is stronger.
Like Warrior classes all cried cuz Titan has strong frenzy now, the titans cry why the dev team decrease its power. Before it the all warrior classes cried cuz Berserker has disarm.
But if they would give same skills to all, wouldn't be difference between the classes than we again just play with 8 different classes.
2. the l3 was just an urban legend mostly so it never was a game.
This is a new or mostly new development team. They work by story line and by their ideas.
How i see the newest news about the Goddess of Destruction it looks like amazing, AMAZING!!
Once more proves u haven't red the other threads about GoD carefully enough.
Or that u just are too excited about the pretty images u seen, it LOOKs great but looks only dont make a great game.
Balancing the classes is somthing they should have done and not by tackling skills down or reducing others , but just give new skills to balance everyone out, its not that hard, annyone in this forum could come up wiht some bright things, if thye listened.
Skimping down to 8 classes , making top xp at 7 party members ( so u'r prolly gonna have to fight to get a spot).
Its not beneficial for the game, most party's are 9 man based .
So each of those party's is gonne drop 2 people each time, geuss who those will be ?
The weakest classes , now a party has a bishop and an EE/SE.
Wont be needed annymore so they will just keep the bishop a drop the EE/SE cuz they dont got what it takes then.
Same things for PP WC BD SWS OL, they gonna pick one and drop the rest.
And u seriously thing they gonna take u'r underskilled FS in party when they can have a top skilled REAL dagger who can spoil/steal ?
ha u'r dreaming.
So u'r gonna have to fall back on u'r DA only, kiss them 2 others goodbye u worked them up for NOTHING.
how does that feel now ?
And how u think everyone else will feel.
I'm kinda lucky even tho i have 2 classes that will be reduced, my clan will still support me in this, but how manny people can say that ?
In my honest opinion the Programmers developpers and PR team in NC soft korea made a big mistake to want to extend Lineage 2 with the GoD chronicle.
God should have been the first chronicle on Lineage 3, and it still can be if we all let our voices be heard.
It's not up to the developpers GM's or anny other staff member of NC soft Korea to decide FOR us.
Content of a game has still to be aproved by the majority of players.
And when the content that is not even tested yet makes players go "now way" in advance , makes them revolt so badly, they need to be heard then, and the developpers really need to listen to their Clients .
You already posted the same rant about "GoD should be L3. /fail :(" here http://boards.lineage2.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3066235
And no, this is pointless. No matter how many polls everyone posts, GoD is coming.
Once more proves u haven't red the other threads about GoD carefully enough.
Or that u just are too excited about the pretty images u seen, it LOOKs great but looks only dont make a great game.
Balancing the classes is somthing they should have done and not by tackling skills down or reducing others , but just give new skills to balance everyone out, its not that hard, annyone in this forum could come up wiht some bright things, if thye listened.
Skimping down to 8 classes , making top xp at 7 party members ( so u'r prolly gonna have to fight to get a spot).
Its not beneficial for the game, most party's are 9 man based .
So each of those party's is gonne drop 2 people each time, geuss who those will be ?
The weakest classes , now a party has a bishop and an EE/SE.
Wont be needed annymore so they will just keep the bishop a drop the EE/SE cuz they dont got what it takes then.
Same things for PP WC BD SWS OL, they gonna pick one and drop the rest.
And u seriously thing they gonna take u'r underskilled FS in party when they can have a top skilled REAL dagger who can spoil/steal ?
ha u'r dreaming.
So u'r gonna have to fall back on u'r DA only, kiss them 2 others goodbye u worked them up for NOTHING.
how does that feel now ?
And how u think everyone else will feel.
I'm kinda lucky even tho i have 2 classes that will be reduced, my clan will still support me in this, but how manny people can say that ?
1. Only just the EU/NA/RU ppls use const parties mostly. By their useless idea now they have to kick off some peoples from the party.
2. I will make party by my chars have a tank an enchanter a rogue i will take to my party an SE or EE who got kick from party and thats all.
3. Everybody (you and me too) just can tell his/her opinions when we will try the PTS and we played with it minimum 20-30 hours.
Maybe after you will want the GoD and me won't want who knows.
4. If the Goddess of Destruction won't be good simple we mustn't let to NCwest to install it to our servers.
5. If something can destroy the Lineage 2 with highest chance and the Lineage too, that this is a new part of Lineage series.
If u say want to see l3 and be the GoD update its first chronicle, than your words just was lie.
6. If you don't like it u can quit (if you quit now u can save some money too).
7. This Poll is useless some votes or some hundred votes don't mean nothing here.
8. Players who like the Lineage 2, they play Lineage 2 and not really care about your "anti NCsoft campaign" just your provoker team read, vote and comment your threads mostly.
Once more proves u haven't red the other threads about GoD carefully enough.
Or that u just are too excited about the pretty images u seen, it LOOKs great but looks only dont make a great game.
Just because he doesn't agree with you (I don't either) doesn't mean that he is wrong, or that he hasn't read the information carefully.
we are getting GoD. Moxie has already stated that. no matter how much you complain or create new anti GoD threads, you cannot stop the update. your only 2 options are to play the new update or don't.
Most people are impatient to see real details of the update. with all the teasers and trailers, we have known a major update has been coming for quite a long time. The NA ncsoft group here has not done a good job in giving us any details, so people like to speculate on what the changes mean to everyone. some people like to imagine the worst case scenario and that is the source of much of the frustration posts you see here reguarding GoD. for some players, its easier to vent on the forums than exercise patience and wait for pts notes.
but really i can't wait for the update, having the basic 8 classes was my dream in lineage 2, i dont mind if this will be just a new chronicle, i am looking forward for new updates when we finally will fight the dragons of, Light, Darkness and Water :) but that in a far future, but i still hope for it ^^
Well you could state that the L2 developping team are serious fashion victims.
All new games comming out now like Tera Guild wars 2 and even the new Neverwinter will have reduced class / race choices.
Back to basics .
But the thing that those games (well most of them ) will aslo do is that class wont be race bound.
That is what they try to do wiht GoD, but cant, since some races will still have race bound restrictions:
Like Orcs cant be healers, not on their main annyhow.
That is what they try to do wiht GoD, but cant, since some races will still have race bound restrictions:
Like Orcs cant be healers, not on their main annyhow.
Another rant with nothing supporting it.
Where the hell did you read that the developers tried to unbind the classes from races? Another rumor started by you IMO.
Where the hell did you read that the developers tried to unbind the classes from races? Another rumor started by you IMO.
well u'r sig says 100 % for reading comprehension discount a good 50 of it.
I said MOST games are doing that now, its a new trend in the gaming industries.
And that wasnt a "rant" but an observation.
Go look at Tera at Neverwinter at argon...
Since Tera is FROM nc softs Lineage 2 develompent team that got fired.
Why u think they are gonna unify all basic stats to human, doesnt take a wizard to figure that one out.
Actually it seems there are more people waiting on the 'GOD' updates than hates it. Many are looking forward to it, it seems..:cool:
just curious but how does your player base (on the korean servers) intend to deal with the upcoming increase of enchanters ?
as with the current party structure it will result in making 2/3 of the existing enchanters jobless..
H5: party has at least 3 enchanters
GoD: party has only 1 enchanter
1. Only just the EU/NA/RU ppls use const parties mostly. By their useless idea now they have to kick off some peoples from the party.
2. I will make party by my chars have a tank an enchanter a rogue i will take to my party an SE or EE who got kick from party and thats all.
3. Everybody (you and me too) just can tell his/her opinions when we will try the PTS and we played with it minimum 20-30 hours.
Maybe after you will want the GoD and me won't want who knows.
4. If the Goddess of Destruction won't be good simple we mustn't let to NCwest to install it to our servers.
5. If something can destroy the Lineage 2 with highest chance and the Lineage too, that this is a new part of Lineage series.
If u say want to see l3 and be the GoD update its first chronicle, than your words just was lie.
6. If you don't like it u can quit (if you quit now u can save some money too).
7. This Poll is useless some votes or some hundred votes don't mean nothing here.
8. Players who like the Lineage 2, they play Lineage 2 and not really care about your "anti NCsoft campaign" just your provoker team read, vote and comment your threads mostly.
Profeta: you really need to stop posting your lies as fact.. you fail every time you try.
Profeta: you really need to stop posting your lies as fact.. you fail every time you try.
I never says facts.
I'm not the leader of the NCsoft or the Lineage 2 dev team as you again not.
You just know, what the NCsoft say to you nothing else.
I wrote 8 points, I write down why did I write them.
1. As you could hear from destructor in Korea the peoples doesn't make constant parties. In EU/RU/NA the peoples make constant parties (so this is not lie).
2. You don't know me, and don't know how many characters and accounts I have. Mostly currently too I kill the bosses and xping alone or call a SE or EE for stigma, resist shock, vampiric rage (I have lvl 76 EE too, but at least not need relog) (so this is not lie).
3. As at another parts of the life at the Goddess of Destruction necessary to try it before you tell about it something (we like now a blind person who just try imagine the world around him after when another one talked to him about it). GoD will take so many changes and new contents for this necessary to try it under longer time, not only under 10-20 minutes (so this is not lie).
4. We can't know how good will be the GoD at the end, but better if just start make partisan actions against it if we tried the PTS, may if mostly the users won't like it NCwest will listen to them (so this is not lie and this is not fact, only an opinion what have chance to happen).
5. You could see, that when the Lineage 2 released shared the player base of Lineage and Lineage 2 this happened with Everquest and Final Fantasy series too. To make a new part of a MMO has high risk really high risk.
This choose mostly understandable at games like Guild Wars what just mean money to Company if they sell a copy of it (so my friend this is not lie).
6. Every intelligent person do this. (this is only fact if we talk intelligent peoples and of course not a lie).
7. We have fewer than 50 votes under 2-3 days in this topic, do you really think, that these votes will change the world? Than need to leave dream land and move to business land. As you can see currently our region has quite voices in the life of the Lineage 2 and do you think in this region 50 peoples will have higher voices as the WW Lineage 2 community and the NCsoft together?:D (this is not lie and not fact, but 99,999% sure).
8. Good if from the currently player base 250-300 peoples use this forum, from these peoples 50-100 who read and comment often.
Mostly just waste of time read, these what this "provoker team" comment on this forum.
9. (only for you) You wrote my infos to another topic, that they are fake, I read these news on the official NCsoft, Blizzard and the most famous MMO site. If you don't believe to these you can't believe in nothing.
that was an observation, i said "this is what they TRY to do wiht god"
i dint say they are doing it or they changed god into non-race bound classes.
But its clearly what they are aiming for...u got to be blind as a mole not to see that.
AND PS to Profeta: we arent doing anti-Nc soft campaing , love this game too much to destroy it, if i wanted to destroy somthing u'd see me go on a complete 360 then.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving u'r opinion on things u like or dislike, i'm mostly pro-NCsoft, just on some points they are really wrong.
Like custommer support needs to be imrpoved dramatically.
Our posts need to be heard in korea and not get stuck here one this lonely forum.
NA/EU Thai russian japanese NC soft fans need to get heard, we pay 15 (45 in my case) euro each month for somthing.
This is the least that can be done, letting our voices get heard.
Actually it seems there are more people waiting on the 'GOD' updates than hates it. Many are looking forward to it, it seems..:cool:
I would read it differently. Half of the voters don't want the expansion. An expansion is supposed to have a few "don't like" or "don't care", but when the half refuses it, it's risky. Not everyone will quit, but some will. Some players have quit over a nerf/change of their gamestyle, so such a dramatical change like GoD brings will make some players leave. Now, how many? Well if a lot fo player quits, it can have a chain of reactions, as those who weren't too hot to leave but were ****** off by the expansion will follow if their friends quit. If the population falls too much, some players will quit because of that, etc.
Personally, I don't doubt this expansion will work functionally and that I would find a party easily. That system works in Aion and in many games where the classes are not as detailed as in L2. So it will work. I won't even test it, I know what it is. But if it's release in its current state, I'll leave. I still hope a bit that they'll understand the problem and will make at least as many 4th classes than there are 3rd classes so the game doesn't become poorer at the end than at the beginning.
How is it going in Korea? Do the devs seem to see the problem? Are they trying to do something rather than forcepatch their reduced gameplay?
PS: Profeta, don't point at people like that. If GoD has the same effect than SWG's newbification, that would be deadly for US/EU population. That's something to worry about, it's serious. I don't think you'll be happy to play on an "empty" server just for the sake of staying on your first position and continuing to play L2. So there isn't time for division. Asking people to leave now is of course rude, but it's also a blind behavior. There are concessions to be done, otherwise everyone will suffer from it. It won't be a pleasure to leave and it won't be a pleasure to play it with even less players.
Chikarishu dude i agree with u but im afraid u have better chance ncsoft lisent to you than few silly trolls there secret msg of all this posts is
"Dont make l3 plz im 85 on 8 toons with 80/80 subs and last time i see raid was baium when i stub him for my sub,got anth/valak quests done but dont know yet where they r and i got 0/0 pvp/pk"
QQ freaks
If they was realy think business will be New project new game welcome to l3 and u will see how many ppls will come back.who gonna start now new from 0 when 1 week after up date ppls will be 4th class etc etc and nobody will care about lowbies.
If you really cant live without ur toons u free to play l2 still there is ppls playing lineage
I would read it differently. Half of the voters don't want the expansion. An expansion is supposed to have a few "don't like" or "don't care", but when the half refuses it, it's risky. Not everyone will quit, but some will. Some players have quit over a nerf/change of their gamestyle, so such a dramatical change like GoD brings will make some players leave. Now, how many? Well if a lot fo player quits, it can have a chain of reactions, as those who weren't too hot to leave but were ****** off by the expansion will follow if their friends quit. If the population falls too much, some players will quit because of that, etc.
Personally, I don't doubt this expansion will work functionally and that I would find a party easily. That system works in Aion and in many games where the classes are not as detailed as in L2. So it will work. I won't even test it, I know what it is. But if it's release in its current state, I'll leave. I still hope a bit that they'll understand the problem and will make at least as many 4th classes than there are 3rd classes so the game doesn't become poorer at the end than at the beginning.
How is it going in Korea? Do the devs seem to see the problem? Are they trying to do something rather than forcepatch their reduced gameplay?
PS: Profeta, don't point at people like that. If GoD has the same effect than SWG's newbification, that would be deadly for US/EU population. That's something to worry about, it's serious. I don't think you'll be happy to play on an "empty" server just for the sake of staying on your first position and continuing to play L2. So there isn't time for division. Asking people to leave now is of course rude, but it's also a blind behavior. There are concessions to be done, otherwise everyone will suffer from it. It won't be a pleasure to leave and it won't be a pleasure to play it with even less players.
That's exactly what i'm concerned about ,
Thx for phrasing it so nicely
I would read it differently. Half of the voters don't want the expansion. An expansion is supposed to have a few "don't like" or "don't care", but when the half refuses it, it's risky. Not everyone will quit, but some will. Some players have quit over a nerf/change of their gamestyle, so such a dramatical change like GoD brings will make some players leave. Now, how many? Well if a lot fo player quits, it can have a chain of reactions, as those who weren't too hot to leave but were ****** off by the expansion will follow if their friends quit. If the population falls too much, some players will quit because of that, etc.
Personally, I don't doubt this expansion will work functionally and that I would find a party easily. That system works in Aion and in many games where the classes are not as detailed as in L2. So it will work. I won't even test it, I know what it is. But if it's release in its current state, I'll leave. I still hope a bit that they'll understand the problem and will make at least as many 4th classes than there are 3rd classes so the game doesn't become poorer at the end than at the beginning.
How is it going in Korea? Do the devs seem to see the problem? Are they trying to do something rather than forcepatch their reduced gameplay?
PS: Profeta, don't point at people like that. If GoD has the same effect than SWG's newbification, that would be deadly for US/EU population. That's something to worry about, it's serious. I don't think you'll be happy to play on an "empty" server just for the sake of staying on your first position and continuing to play L2. So there isn't time for division. Asking people to leave now is of course rude, but it's also a blind behavior. There are concessions to be done, otherwise everyone will suffer from it. It won't be a pleasure to leave and it won't be a pleasure to play it with even less players.
As washtak stated a lot of players may leave over this, a lot wil lstill stay, but everytime even if just 1/10th of the server population leaves or less, it has a domino effect for others to leave.
If and i do say if they rally want to push trough GOD they need to do a few changes like :
Dont Put Ol DC SWS PP and BD in one sac
Like somoene already suggested , " make a BARD class for the SWS/BD"
So that's one class more.
PP /OL/ DC dont go togheter verry well either.Losing clan buffs on OL could become deadly in some situations.
OL is a class apart and has to remain that way, same for maestro's they cant be put in the same sack as all the rest, when for years they have been "unique" non-subable classes, and now they wanna bind them togheter wiht others is touching ot the uniqueness of those classes.
Putting bishop in the same sack as EE and SE is totally unfair too.
EE and SE go thogheter hand in hand, but sorry bishop is toally diffirent from those two.
That's the changes i think they should make, if they relaese it that way, i think more people wouldnt be offended so much annymore.
And necro ofc stays the unique dark nuker he was designed to be,using the powers of death,feeded with lifes,bringing despair and weakness into the world.
Actually necro could be the ideal class to get boosted on this update since he matches so well with ruins and graves,but those devs dont have imagination. :)
Guys, I totally support, that now we have 36 classes and the development team mustn't destroy it!
I would do almost everything, that the currently 36 classes will stay in the future too.
You all must understand, that we can't make difference between the classes.
Like many peoples says: the BD and SWS get Bard class, the Dominator and the Soul Taker get their own unique 4th class.
No, peoples this isn't work! Like the Titan and Doombringer the classical warrior way. The Dreadnought, Grand Khavatari and Maestro are all a specialized warriors, while DN specialized to AOE, GK specialized to use the Force and Totems while the Maestro is a buffer, summoner warrior combo.
So we can says, that only just the 36 4th classes the acceptable content.
All another features and changes are really necessary to upgrade the world of Lineage 2!
Guys I just can repeat, that maybe this is the last month to make a petition or something to keep the 36 classes.
Maybe in the future these classes will return in the future too by the mind of developers, but better if they stay as they disappear and appear later again.
Yes but there's one thing u got to know tho, all big threads with a lot of reply's (over 30 i think, not really shure hos much needed ) get a notice and koreans read it then.
A lot of my suggestions ended up in the GOD chronicle and i havent foudn a trace of them in korean forums, o somehow it gets there .
Would wish Sace or Moxie could reply one this .
To let us know HOW our voices get heard till in korea ?
We really needto know Sace or moxie or annyone else , please reply ?
Yes but there's one thing u got to know tho, all big threads with a lot of reply's (over 30 i think, not really shure hos much needed ) get a notice and koreans read it then.
A lot of my suggestions ended up in the GOD chronicle and i havent foudn a trace of them in korean forums, o somehow it gets there .
Would wish Sace or Moxie could reply one this .
To let us know HOW our voices get heard till in korea ?
We really needto know Sace or moxie or annyone else , please reply ?
and what suggestions did u have that no one else ever had made it into GoD?
also the most recent poll is about Lineage 2 Mobile something another, i saw nothing regarding GoD.
I have never played GOD so I am unable say what chronicle I prefer.
I would rather have the update & try kick out the aspects I don’t like, than not try the update at all.
If u played ti it be too late , its only text we have yet, based on that u cn already form a clear opinion because they reduce the 36 classes down to 8 only.
please read the other god columns too first before voting.
The NPC sell shop i been hammering about for months now.
Not been posted once in korean forums.
you personally made the suggestion with the user tax for each time you use the AH? good job
"Q: Any plans on a vendor system that lets you sell items offline?
A: Giran will probably explode if we tried to do this -_-. We've looked at an auction system but we can't ignore the plus sides of player-to-player vending and its effect on economics. No changes planned in this area atm."
First off i wouldnt have started this poll if i hadnt seen that the korean people done the same thing on their forum.
Its not just us , the koreans are pretty upset by this too.
Today the korean pol stands 40 for new chronicle but 60 for new game.
And most of all for 2 things:
The abolation of the 36 classes and the downsizing for party xp from 9 to 7 people.
We aren't standing alone here !
We have the support of the korean players !
thats right.
But when we speak about the poll of new game or new chronicle is really not good I explain why:
Everybody who comment here loves the Lineage 2 at here and at Korea too. So we can says everybody want the Goddess of Destruction, but not everybody want it with the currently contents.
If we love this game we don't want bad to Lineage 2, well if the developer make a new lineage game it is kill the Lineage 1 and Lineage 2. So it is the worst idea. Anyway I see high chance, that the new lineage game would become dead after the release in 1-2 year.
To make a new game with these idea what is not Lineage the most diplomatic idea I think.
we have to find the way how we could force the NCsoft to keep the 36 classes and the 9 members party system and really fast!!
Change is one thing, turning Lineage 2 into lineage 3 whitout asking everybody if they are ok wiht it is NOT OK.
Yeah!! Why didn't NCSoft ask us what to do first? They wasted all this time and employed those developers for nothing! After this poll is complete they will have to fire a bunch of staff and delete all the GoD code.
Wait, the other option of starting up a new MMO and employing even more people to manage this new MMO is brilliant. Now they are going to need to postpone launch date of GoD to get some PR firm behind this great new MMO. I laugh in your general direction.
/humor
We really need to get a hold of some free therapy for all those freaking out about the impending doom of GoD. After all is said and done this update will come and go. The forums will be flooded with requests for another event with free stuff falling from the sky within 24 hours of GoD launching. Those that complained about the new stuff will take time off from real life to play L2 non-stop for days.
considering the amount of active players per server trust me it will hurt when the majority of the end game players leave the game and you're fooling yourself if you think it isn't heading that direction at the moment..
I know most neutrals would love to see them leave and have a chance themselves at being on top but them gone + all their alts means bye bye 25% of the whole player base on Naia alone
let's how this goes but if RU OFF doesn't implement the upcoming changes that folks here seriously don't like which they can due to the nature of their license set up with NC Soft expect an exodus
ah and before ppl going to argue to dead again the pro side who is in an end game pvp clan here and is actually pro GoD ? right thought so..
Let's say there are 1500 active accounts per server so 3000 total...and I regretfully admit I did not go check the server population sites to figure the average number of active accounts, but regardless of the actuals, the percetanges do not change much.
71/3000 = 0.0236666666666 or 2.37% of the playerbase do not want GoD.
70/3000 = 0.0233333333333 or 2.33% of the playerbase do want GoD.
141/3000 = 0.047 or 4.7% of the player base cares
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase are bots and therefore have not voted.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have chosen not to vote.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have no clue polls are taking place.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have never been to these forums.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase haven't made up their minds yet.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have already decided to quit.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have asked for their gear.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have realized that 2.37% is the majority voice and will therefore break the developers will pausing the release of Goddess of Destruction until further notice.
Sorry, just poking fun at all the numbers and the %'s and the most of's and the majority of's that get said...carry on.
some truth to those numbers. a lot of people claim to represent the "majority" of players and also claim to know whats best for everyone. your stats are no less accurate than anything else thats been thrown around lately.
Let's say there are 1500 active accounts per server so 3000 total...and I regretfully admit I did not go check the server population sites to figure the average number of active accounts, but regardless of the actuals, the percetanges do not change much.
71/3000 = 0.0236666666666 or 2.37% of the playerbase do not want GoD.
70/3000 = 0.0233333333333 or 2.33% of the playerbase do want GoD.
141/3000 = 0.047 or 4.7% of the player base cares
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase are bots and therefore have not voted.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have chosen not to vote.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have no clue polls are taking place.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have never been to these forums.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase haven't made up their minds yet.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have already decided to quit.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have asked for their gear.
A certain number of the remaining 95.3% of the playerbase have realized that 2.37% is the majority voice and will therefore break the developers will pausing the release of Goddess of Destruction until further notice.
Sorry, just poking fun at all the numbers and the %'s and the most of's and the majority of's that get said...carry on.
Well if we try to be close to real, than we have about 25-30k active account on EU/NA not more.
About the 1% of player base use the forum (who read/vote/comment) this is 300 players, from this peoples about 70 peoples voted the poll results almost all time close to 50%-50%.
So we can says, that the 99% of EU/NA player base don't care about Goddess of Destruction or what will happen in it, they simply just play.
Dendrobates at least now we can says that the 95,3% of player base is player not bot (if this ratio to bots would be 95,3% still we could have 8 heavy traffic servers:)).
But the currently EU/NA Lineage 2 community is the worst community what can have a MMO or video game.
Peoples don't join to the Lineage 2 on facebook, don't follow the Lineage 2 on twitter, don't subscribe to Lineage 2 channel on youtube.
im gonna laugh at all the deactivated subscriptions if GoD is horrible. i already know ill be moving on regardless, as my stance is that if i wanted a game like tera/wow/etc then i would just play those games rather than play L2 with those games forced into it.
regardless, opinions on forums always capture a snap shot of players who are active. however, the forums do have a wide diversity of players, from the end game pvp only chars to the newbies just starting out.
from all of the opinions i have seen on the official boards regarding GoD or any update for that matter, the opinion on the boards has always pretty much been in line with what the playerbase has thought after the fact. most people i talk to on naia and chronos in regards to GoD is for the most part negative, with some people happy about the changes.
take that however anyone wants, but i dont forsee much change in peoples opinions regarding GoD unless some drastic thigns with the classes change.
Just wait till it gets spread that the new buffers will be the healer class and not the enchanter class...
Hopefully the buffie ones can be boxed OOP. Then I will not need to lose my heals :D
Mostly i will continue tho, even tho i will propably lose my 2 best friends.
If GoD is bad they will go to Neverwinter when it comes out in october or november.
If they tell me Neverwinter is good, then i will most likely follow them.
And L2 beware when i say that i consider to leave.
If i say or even consider leaving L2, that is BAD for you, like REAL bad.
I don't think annyone has such a bad addiction to this game as i do.
I lose sleep over this game, its more real to me then reality itself.
And Denbrodates is right, most users ever online on this forum never been over 2 k people.
there's only 41 000 and a bit players even registrated on this forum over all these years.
so of the 2000 people a good 100 are active one forum and over 60 people voted.
so u still have 33 % of the opinion of the entire comunity.
When are u gonna say somthing back ?
Or don't u care ?
U just do the job from 9 to 5 go home and forget about us ?
We're not worth fighting for ?
I geuss i do my real life job diffirently then you then, one time a client of mine had a real bad problem, i stayed for 17 hours on the phone wiht him to solve his issue.
and the 3 next months i pulled every string i could to fix his problem totally, and i workedd in a bank , so u can imagine the pack of wolves i had to face to get this mans issue resolved.
That's how i do my job, and no i wasn't payed well for it.
But if even you dont fight for us, you who are in a position of power , who will then ?
But when we speak about the poll of new game or new chronicle is really not good I explain why:
Everybody who comment here loves the Lineage 2 at here and at Korea too. So we can says everybody want the Goddess of Destruction, but not everybody want it with the currently contents.
If we love this game we don't want bad to Lineage 2, well if the developer make a new lineage game it is kill the Lineage 1 and Lineage 2. So it is the worst idea. Anyway I see high chance, that the new lineage game would become dead after the release in 1-2 year.
To make a new game with these idea what is not Lineage the most diplomatic idea I think.
we have to find the way how we could force the NCsoft to keep the 36 classes and the 9 members party system and really fast!!
Dearest that's what i'm trying to do with all my might !
Even tho now i realize somthing, i should have seen this before , dunno how i missed such a big clue, everyone else will gonna say omg no when i say the next thing :
1. Divine healer
2. Divine summoner
3. Divine Rouge
4. Divine Knight
5. Divine Archer
6. Divine warrior
7. Divine Wizard
8. Divine enchanter
The 8 classes, they were there all along, its not an idea they had yesterday, but years ago.
Wich doesnt mean its a good idea, its still stinking bad idea .
GoD should be whatever NCSoft wants it to be. It doesn't matter what we want so long as the bottom line keeps coming in. And people keep paying for this ****!
seems it will be 2 games on 1 map since i hear that non awakened characters cannot go to new areas
Pre GOD gameplay, non awakened characters (the good old classes we love)
and post GOD gameplay, new areas, new classes
to be fully honest i like how NCsoft is giving us Lineage 3 without forcing us to dump 7 years worth of work and effort and restart from level 1.
You dont like the new classes and new gameplay? thats fine, nobody is forcing you to awaken. Something tells me there will be plenty to do on the "old" maps with the "old" classes. I would not want to restart yet another game from 0. Like this, we get to play "L3", yet we carry over our achievements. No other MMO allowed you to do that as far as i know.
heck, you can even play both games without paying double 15$, just play another character on the "old" game, and the main one in the "new" game ;)
You dont like the new classes and new gameplay? thats fine, nobody is forcing you to awaken.
Actually, from an interview of Korean devs...
It is possible to opt not to learn new skills. You can even level up all the way up to lvl.99 without learning the new skills. However, the effectiveness of the many new awakened skills are improved over the current skills after the ‘Hi-Five’. We don't see that many will take this route.
Translation : to compete in GoD, you'll be forced to have awakened skills. Seriously, how can you say there's a choice? You could +30 a lvl 85 skill, it still wouldn't be lvl 99. There's no choice. L2 is a competitive game. Saying you can keep your old skills is like saying that currently you can play at lvl 20. While it's technically and grammatically possible, it's senseless.
What's great is that they're not even afraid of blatantly take the old skills to copy/paste it as awakened ones. Frankly if they're doing it that way I don't see why my cardi should become an EE.
What's great is that they're not even afraid of blatantly take the old skills to copy/paste it as awakened ones. Frankly if they're doing it that way I don't see why my cardi should become an EE.
"An EE"? With no trance, no rez, no PR and no manaburn/windshackle/BWW?
we have to figure out how to get an account and translate the client to english ^^
in the tera korean open beta someone took the long text file with all the in game text and google translated it. you had to switch the files after updating the game through the launcher. im guessing a similar thing can be done for this as well, just need to figure out which files hold all the text content and menu texts.
in the tera korean open beta someone took the long text file with all the in game text and google translated it. you had to switch the files after updating the game through the launcher. im guessing a similar thing can be done for this as well, just need to figure out which files hold all the text content and menu texts.
BTW, run Lineage 2 korean website on google chrome so it will be automatic translated :) i just created an account and im in for the tests tomorrow :)
but they will let you log in only using Internet Explorer :/
i will try to find the file and translate it ^^
For what I've been reading, things are not THAT bad to those who were afraid of this 8 classes merging.
For the racial stats i can see, human are balanced, elves are faster and have more crit rate, and d.elves more crit power.
Only by this i can see the main difference between archers/daggers/mages remains intact despite of having the same name now.
- Now all archers shares almost the same skills (stun, multple shot, etc)
- Now all mages have some kind of Vortex and a main nuke (the time when the difference between vortex was important is gone).
- Now all daggers shares bluff, backstab, lethal and so on.
I dont see so much change between these classes in GoD.
- Enchanters have been changed for a kind of judicator/sws/bd style (poor Domi).
- Healers have been changed to a kind of wc/ol buff style and of course healing capabilities.
So now you REALLY need an enchanter and a healer in party to maximize damage/healing capabilities.
For what I've been reading, things are not THAT bad to those who were afraid of this 8 classes merging.
For the racial stats i can see, human are balanced, elves are faster and have more crit rate, and d.elves more crit power.
Only by this i can see the main difference between archers/daggers/mages remains intact despite of having the same name now.
- Now all archers shares almost the same skills (stun, multple shot, etc)
- Now all mages have some kind of Vortex and a main nuke (the time when the difference between vortex was important is gone).
- Now all daggers shares bluff, backstab, lethal and so on.
I dont see so much change between these classes in GoD.
- Enchanters have been changed for a kind of judicator/sws/bd style (poor Domi).
- Healers have been changed to a kind of wc/ol buff style and of course healing capabilities.
So now you REALLY need an enchanter and a healer in party to maximize damage/healing capabilities.
You miss the entire complaint regarding the classes.
Warlord, Duelist, Maestro, Tyrant and Titan are all now the same class. 2 classes focus on skill charging and burst DPS, 1 class is AoE only, the other 2 classes are a combo of AoE and Single target attacks. All of them have different skill sets before awakening that affect stats and how the class performs in specific situations. All 5 of these classes will compete for the exact same hero spot in olympiad. This will be a balancing nightmare. There is no way all 5 of these classes will be 100% even at lvl 95 (or whatever the max lvl is) and awakened unless the devs remove all ties to the classes that came before awakening. Removing them entirely adds even more insult to injury with this change.
Add to this skills such as Duelist Spirit, Frenzy, Zealot, etc. According to the info we have, all of these will still be usable in awakened form. All of these have a great affect on PvP and the amount of damage you can do.
And this is just for warriors, now throw SWS, BD, PP, etc. into one class and the differences are just as imbalanced.
Finally, the thing you are missing is that people who play BD/SWS enjoy their class for a specific reason, which is greatly different than someone who plays a Doomcryer or a PP. Same thing for every other class group in the game. I play a Warlord because I enjoy running trains and being a threat in mass PvP. I also enjoy olympiad. Now when awakened I will be forced to pick the set up of AoE (which as always will blow for burst dps needed to do well in open oly) and be forced to play the dual wield set up to excell against the competition in Oly.
The change forces all players into a set mold of a class that they may not be happy with as it does not offer the same playstyle they grew to love over the last 4-5 years or longer.
Everything about this update screams that they should have just created Lineage 3, but its too late now and IMO the server populations will suffer from it. Everyone can make fun of me for being the "Doom and Gloom" without the facts, but the class system is already set and there isn't much thats going to change based on how much in resources on NCsoft's side has gone into this update.
I know what are you talking about, that's why I only wrote about daggers, archers and nukers. And then about the new role for Enchanters and Healers. I know that warriors are a whole different thing.