We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience players are currently experiencing with issues of lag on all servers. The problem will be addressed during an emergency maintenance on Chronos on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 1pm PDT / 3pm CDT / 4pm EDT / 9pm UTC/GMT. The maintenance will last approximately 30 minutes.
Update: Technical issues continue, maintenance extended indefinitely until a solution is found.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience players are currently experiencing with issues of lag on all servers. The problem will be addressed during an emergency maintenance on Chronos on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 1pm PDT / 3pm CDT / 4pm EDT / 9pm UTC/GMT. The maintenance will last approximately 30 minutes.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience players are currently experiencing with issues of lag on all servers. The problem will be addressed during an emergency maintenance on Chronos on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 1pm PDT / 3pm CDT / 4pm EDT / 9pm UTC/GMT. The maintenance will last approximately 30 minutes.
Sincere apologies come with compensation. You say sorry every single week and do nothing else, your word is empty :(
Compensation... really don't think asking for some sort of compensation for not being able to play a free game makes sense. What should they give us more free game play?
If you dont fix the problem with the bots, the lag will remain. Have 1-2 GM everyday for 1 hour to travel around all cities and kick/ban the bots. Its so easy. This way the lag will be gone.
Compensation... really don't think asking for some sort of compensation for not being able to play a free game makes sense. What should they give us more free game play?
If you dont fix the problem with the bots, the lag will remain. Have 1-2 GM everyday for 1 hour to travel around all cities and kick/ban the bots. Its so easy. This way the lag will be gone.
Just look after 1 min server restart in cronos
true... after new system with pk's anter you even cant kill them
If you dont fix the problem with the bots, the lag will remain. Have 1-2 GM everyday for 1 hour to travel around all cities and kick/ban the bots. Its so easy. This way the lag will be gone.
Just look after 1 min server restart in cronos
..Dude this will never happen. They have never done anything about it and never will lol. Thats why the Blueposts are always funny to see. Sure maybe the team will be rejuvenated and a new age will come around for L2 now that its in F2p market. (but unlikely lol) Bots for farming, selling, pvp, etc.. Its an infamous bot game. Do you're research. Its number 2 infamous for Boxing.
A simple fix would require that only players 40 or higher and have completed 2nd class change can use the Agithons. Very easy to do. And if that didn't do it, require 3rd class change. They just need to use their heads. At least make them earn it :)
I'm afraid the maintenance must continue indefinitely as the fixes are not working. :( Chronos will remain down while we continue to working on finding a fix. As the solution is not yet in site, there is no ETA on when the server will be back up, and consequently when the other servers can receive a fix. As soon as we have more news we will update you on it.
I'm afraid the maintenance must continue indefinitely as the fixes are not working. :( Chronos will remain down while we continue to working on finding a fix. As the solution is not yet in site, there is no ETA on when the server will be back up, and consequently when the other servers can receive a fix. As soon as we have more news we will update you on it.
...no surprise there...
How about ACTUALLY BANNING bots and DISABLING any & all 3rd party software? I bet when you start doing that players won't have as much lag on a full server as we have now. Even during the PC event in august with a full server the problems weren't as bad as they are now...
I'm afraid the maintenance must continue indefinitely as the fixes are not working. :( Chronos will remain down while we continue to working on finding a fix. As the solution is not yet in site, there is no ETA on when the server will be back up, and consequently when the other servers can receive a fix. As soon as we have more news we will update you on it.
I am just glad they are trying to fix it and not ignoring the community as has been the case lately. Take all the time you need and bring it back right!
From my point of view sorry that i will say that Sace but you didnt fix anything at all ...
Seriously i cant understand what your head master was thinking by removing the items that drops from monsters and not the items that spawning from fairy's .
The problem he have in the game is really simple .. Hire some people to have only kick right's and be able to do things only IN GAME .. believe me if i had kick right for 2 hours the server capacity would be at 3k only ...
The problem that you have as a company is that you really dont have active GM's in game ... Don't tell me that they are there in invisble mode and such things .. Its like stealing candy from a little kid to find who is using bot and who not .. There is an easy way to do it ... Personally i have report 5 people for botting and all of them are still there after 1 month enjoying their 90+ lvl's .
And one other thing remove the fairy from the game and bring us the fragment drop back ... How we can open our items when we dont botting without fragment ? ...
That's from me i hope you will read it and transfer it to your supervisors ..
As i read Innova forums too they had this problem for weeks and yesterday they finally got fix from NC Korea. Just to say this problem is something installed from last maintence u did and go ask Koreans for that and to send u this fix they send to innova, because i can clearly see how things are going. When innova apply the +5lvl mobs patch after a week same happend and here now same happend and with this lag so... *** my english :D go troll or flame to me i dont care a **** about it just try to help but day after day im considering to leave this game... i like c3 style not this and this 3rd party software and bots and others... I even try one of them pff such a noobish is to use cheat programs and veryone who use it is a trully noob so have a nice game. I hope some day to see ncsoft ban bots and such things like this.. but no they are not :D
I'm afraid the maintenance must continue indefinitely as the fixes are not working. :( Chronos will remain down while we continue to working on finding a fix. As the solution is not yet in site, there is no ETA on when the server will be back up, and consequently when the other servers can receive a fix. As soon as we have more news we will update you on it.
give me a pay server and the chance to transfer my stuff to that pay server please.
i hope that i dont lose my stuff when chronos comeback, cos i used the rest of my event itens, and as we know, when servers reboot/rollback we always lose something, adena on gk so u port to aden, but when the server comeback u are in giran and lost ur adena, itens that we sell on npcstore, they go but the adena dont stay in bag when server comeback.
Sigh...............It broke even more now. The problem wasnt the event drops it was all the lvl1 standing around getting the lights. And you didnt fix that there still there, also all this did was promote the fact that all the cheaters now have tons of fragments while the legit player has a few and the cheaters can still continue to do event while the rest cannot because the cheater can keep getting there lights to do the event, while the legit player has no point in getting lights because he doesnt have many frags. Good game lol.
Seems everyone thinks there is a magic button that can fix everything. Be patient. Noone is paying to play this game, which i guess can be seen as an excuse for poor testing and less uptime, im not trying to say that. Im just saying that the things the L2 staff do don't go 1/4 as appreciated as the things that go wrong get ripped on.
With that, I have just two things to say:
1. If anyone here thinks they can do better, make your own game, and I'll pay to play it.
2. Sace and L2 staff, please hurry and find a proper fix for this issue, everyone here loves your game (they wouldn't be msging here if they didn't), ignore the ******s and trolls, let them leave, hope things get resolved quick, and please KEEP US UPDATED with whatever news you do have.
Seems everyone thinks there is a magic button that can fix everything. Be patient. Noone is paying to play this game, which i guess can be seen as an excuse for poor testing and less uptime, im not trying to say that. Im just saying that the things the L2 staff do don't go 1/4 as appreciated as the things that go wrong get ripped on.
With that, I have just two things to say:
1. If anyone here thinks they can do better, make your own game, and I'll pay to play it.
2. Sace and L2 staff, please hurry and find a proper fix for this issue, everyone here loves your game (they wouldn't be msging here if they didn't), ignore the ******s and trolls, let them leave, hope things get resolved quick, and please KEEP US UPDATED with whatever news you do have.
I know the game is free, and XPing is way faster than it ever was... But this whole week that I have been off from work and my GF out of town I have not been able to get the grind on :(. I think it would be really nice if we could get a 2x XP event for a week :D. But meh if not. I'm just waiting to kill a few 1000 mobs :D. GL with fixing the problem NC!
source please, there is no sense believing in teenblogs, so where is the source.
yeah i dont buy this a second, if what you and about everyone else says is true, they could turn the servers off now, lock the site, cut the power and just save what money they do have. shut up about the money. i know money matters, and thats what keeps the game running, but staff would have left by now, and if they havent, they should. i would, with that being said, prefer a pay to play game that you knew was going to be there when you wanted to login and play.
I know the game is free, and XPing is way faster than it ever was... But this whole week that I have been off from work and my GF out of town I have not been able to get the grind on :(. I think it would be really nice if we could get a 2x XP event for a week :D. But meh if not. I'm just waiting to kill a few 1000 mobs :D. GL with fixing the problem NC!
yet, that info shows only Q3 2011, which excludes the timeframe for the l2 promotions and GoD launch up to now. So, Im quite sure that chart is really favorable to L2 on Q4
weird how the server is back up and haters stopped talking
thanks Sace and staff for putting server back up, issue isnt 100% fixed, hopefully you are still working on things. but at least the haters have stopped their flaming on NCwest and are now logged into a game they dont have to pay to play for.
Sry for my post to mention a program name i removed name totally and one advice i must make to ncwest. Make a something like an ivent to hire a staff just with privilegs to find and mark botters and gold sellers and ips from gold sellers account and such thing. Im sure they are a lot of people that will happy to help nc to clean this game from things that ruined it last time when it was p2p and will do it this time for sure when it is f2p.
well try some common sense, and besides, u choose to believe what you want to believe. that is public information, but you interpret it in a way that makes you believe that NCwest doesnt care. like i said before, if they werent making their money they wouldnt be here, and server would be perma down. you're trying to feed a fire that doesnt need you.
well try some common sense, and besides, u choose to believe what you want to believe. that is public information, but you interpret it in a way that makes you believe that NCwest doesnt care. like i said before, if they werent making their money they wouldnt be here, and server would be perma down. you're trying to feed a fire that doesnt need you.
lol, i dont saying anything, i just ask u the source, grow up.
yeah i dont buy this a second, if what you and about everyone else says is true, they could turn the servers off now, lock the site, cut the power and just save what money they do have. shut up about the money. i know money matters, and thats what keeps the game running, but staff would have left by now, and if they havent, they should. i would, with that being said, prefer a pay to play game that you knew was going to be there when you wanted to login and play.
you realize they fired a bunch of people just before the game went f2p right?
The server is indeed back up but the issue was not yet resolved, and it may take hours before we receive a fix. :( Hopefully the lag issues will not effect everyone. We will continue to monitor the server situations.
Right after the server was restarted, things were working great.
But now, soul shots are becoming more intermittent, and potions are lagging in activating.
Yes, the fix did not work. We are seeing lag on Chronos return intermittently. At this time there is no fix. Once we get one we'll post an update and say what will happen.
Yes, the fix did not work. We are seeing lag on Chronos return intermittently. At this time there is no fix. Once we get one we'll post an update and say what will happen.
Just suggestion: Try to lower max online ppl till u have working fix? As I noticed server wasnt lagging with lower population....it started while population on chronos was about 4k ppl. Same before restart...5 mins before restart while many ppl already log out so server was running clearly.
Well I will be afk til they fix it as I have died once already. And really don't want to keep doing it since my level went down to 0.00%. Fix it already. sheesh.:(
My brother pointed out to me that if you just leave town (on Bartz, at least), you can pretty much go about your business. I'm currently farming the wolf quest on my alt.. A soulshot might misfire here and there, but for the most part, I have no lag...
My brother pointed out to me that if you just leave town (on Bartz, at least), you can pretty much go about your business. I'm currently farming the wolf quest on my alt.. A soulshot might misfire here and there, but for the most part, I have no lag...
Clearly the server cant handle over 6k of players. As pepole pointed out, we need more active GMs in L2, especially on Chronos server.
First of all,
all the bots needs to be taken care of. Its not funny. Not a bit.
A toon named "rtywy1t5y" is not a real toon, and theres not one, theres 100s of them standing in towns.
If not, NcSoft should atleast try to increase the capacity of the server, since Chronos seems to be the worst one.
all the bots needs to be taken care of. Its not funny. Not a bit.
No it's not. Obviously you're new around here, bots have been a problem since 2004. They were hard to get rid of when the game was p2p, now it's free so a loss of a train is no big deal.
There is no immediate solution to the bot problem, other than people not participating in RMT.
Hi,
we all know it. We are all little disapointed.
But we are not idiots and we are not lazy, and reading first.
we all readed informations about that....
The server is indeed back up but the issue was not yet resolved, and it may take hours before we receive a fix. :( Hopefully the lag issues will not effect everyone. We will continue to monitor the server situations.
Yes, the fix did not work. We are seeing lag on Chronos return intermittently. At this time there is no fix. Once we get one we'll post an update and say what will happen.
For now we are focusing on fixing the problem. After the fix is implemented, compensation can be considered.
So if you are not ******ed and you can wait.... A we all do and stop QQ
Hi,
we all know it. We are all little disapointed.
But we are not idiots and we are not lazy, and reading first.
we all readed informations about that....
So if you are not ******ed and you can wait.... A we all do and stop QQ
We all have to be patient.
I'm actually amazed at this community. If this were Aion right now, there'd be 40 pages of QQ not 4 lol. And there would be no sign of a CC I don't think. Sace has posted what 3 times here? That is pretty incredible to me.
The patience here is 10 fold what I have seen. I know that **** happens when you have maintenance but im just alil sad that the game play has been so patchy this whole week that I have had off :((. I was so sure reaching 89 would be a piece of cake but between not being able to log on and no SS heh.. kinda slow. But oh well i'll get there.
see what happend when you guys dont take actions against bots/and cheaters, if you dont act inmediatly this is gonna get worst. I have read that there is not enough GM to deal with this problem but, just 30 min online just one GM can check all tops spots and see all the bots and ban them, why is this so hard ? at least start with afk bots, then you can check for radars and all other ****
What is the point of showing Q3 stats, when we all know Q3 is the worst period for L2 (Pre-GOD). If your based your opinion on something more relevant, your comments might been bit more relevant too.
NCsoft is still makes good profit, their main target is not to drop significantly until their next big release and that's exactly what they doing with GOD.
On side note, it's crazy that there are more people playing L1 than WOW :D
I like the part where people don't read the maintenance posts and notice that this is a server-wide issue with the game and it's being looked into... and then make multiple posts about the same thing.
No it's not. Obviously you're new around here, bots have been a problem since 2004. They were hard to get rid of when the game was p2p, now it's free so a loss of a train is no big deal.
There is no immediate solution to the bot problem, other than people not participating in RMT.
Yes there is. The mass bot bans came about through the same general action: ncsoft temporarily changed the login verification protocol and everyone logging in with a third party program would fail to logon. Everyone who failed to log on was then banned. Ncsoft simply chose not to continue to do this because they enjoyed recieving 15 dollars a month from each account. Mass bot bans coincideded almost exactly with visits from korean ncsoft represtatives. If you had been playing here since 2004, you should have had at least an inkling of this. Every time the server went down, either for regular or unschedual maintence in the old days, bots would hold off from logging in just in case ncsoft changed the protocol which would force the bot programs to be updated to use the correct one. Ncsoft also made it a point to police the servers heavily after every single update, which forced bots to "bot at their own risk" for at least a month after each update. Ncsoft has done practically nothing to stop bots in comparison to their past actions. People bot all day, everyday, with zero fear of reprocusion and this is unacceptable.
You can't stop people from trying to bot, but you can easily discourage them through various methods, many of which have all been employed by ncsoft in the past. To pretend that they suddenly don't have those tools is stupid and naive. Most likely, they no longer have the human resources to use those tools. As we have seen, what should have been a simple change to an event schedule has turned into a multiserver fiasco that has lasted all day long. It would appear that the people left at the ncsoft offices either lack the knowledge or experience to deal with our current problems.
yet, that info shows only Q3 2011, which excludes the timeframe for the l2 promotions and GoD launch up to now. So, Im quite sure that chart is really favorable to L2 on Q4
NCSoft's Q4 finances won't be released until next month, when the increase in profits from Lineage II and City of Heroes going free to play will be accounted for.
source please, there is no sense believing in teenblogs, so where is the source.
I get the finance reports via email with the rest of the press releases I receive from NCSoft. There is no agenda, the finance reports are purely for informational purposes, and I've been posting them for two years running.
Not mentioning Lineage II's upcoming (at the time) free to play transition alongside City of Heroes free to play and Lineage Eternal was a mistake, however, an oversight on my part. Please don't throw me in the same group as the doomsayers, I can't stand them either. In fact I made absolutely sure to point out in the first sentence: "Revenue and Operating Income came down due to soft promotions for in-game items sales versus Q2"
On side note, it's crazy that there are more people playing L1 than WOW :D
It's not crazy at all. Lineage 1 is a solid game. The reason it failed here is the same reason l2 was failing before f2p: ncsoft is incapable of providing adequate support both to the community, and when it comes to handling bots and updates. Lineage 1 was almost 2 years behind in updates before it's final release and most of the active players were outright bots, selling adena and services to the few remaining players.
Suspiciously, the final month of lineage 1 was full of custom updates, events, and item/monster changes that ncsoft has always claimed it does not have the resources or tool to make. Changes that came directly from the few remaining players on official forums and made almost on the fly. It was how the game should have been ran from the begining. Indeed, that WAS how the game was run back in 2001. Lance "CaptSturm" Stites was the original producer for the english lineage 1 team. Not only that, be he was a developer, with years of experience. He was actively editing and modifing game files and stats and even gave us our own "westernized" server for the first 5 years or so of lineage 1. I laugh when you naive players continuously imply ncsoft can't change anything in lineage 2 without the koreans. THEY HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID THAT. THAT IS AN ENTIRELY A PLAYER CREATED MYTH TO EXPLAIN AWAY THEIR INATTENTION TO THE GAME. They can and THEY HAVE in the past. It's not rocket science. ARE YOU ALL BLIND? THEY QUICKLY PATCHED UP OUR CHRISTMAS STARS TO GIVE THEM A 4 HOUR REUSE. THAT DIDN'T COME FROM KOREA.
Ncwest can and WILL make changes to content when it effects their bottom line. 24/7 free christmas vit would have effected their vit potion sales so they chopped it off at the knees. You all can't seriously be that naive, can you? Ncwest is full of professionals, they don't get paid to post on twitter all day like you all seem to imply! This is a business ladies and gentlemen, and you all better start acting like you are dealing with a business. Sace is not your friend, she may be a nice person but first and foremost she is an employee at a company that takes your money in return for services. When these services fail to appear, make some noise! This game is not free to play. Nothing is. You may not personally spend money in the cash shop but the rest of us are paying for you to play for free. We are paying for your free ride, and we have certain expectations that go beyond the flimsy terms of service we are forced to accept every time we log in.
It's not crazy at all. Lineage 1 is a solid game. The reason it failed here is the same reason l2 was failing before f2p: ncsoft is incapable of providing adequate support both to the community, and when it comes to handling bots and updates. Lineage 1 was almost 2 years behind in updates before it's final release and most of the active players were outright bots, selling adena and services to the few remaining players.
Suspiciously, the final month of lineage 1 was full of custom updates, events, and item/monster changes that ncsoft has always claimed it does not have the resources or tool to make. Changes that came directly from the few remaining players on official forums and made almost on the fly. It was how the game should have been ran from the begining. Indeed, that WAS how the game was run back in 2001. Lance "CaptSturm" Stites was the original producer for the english lineage 1 team. Not only that, be he was a developer, with years of experience. He was actively editing and modifing game files and stats and even gave us our own "westernized" server for the first 5 years or so of lineage 1. I laugh when you naive players continuously imply ncsoft can't change anything in lineage 2 without the koreans. THEY HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID THAT. THAT IS AN ENTIRELY A PLAYER CREATED MYTH TO EXPLAIN AWAY THEIR INATTENTION TO THE GAME. They can and THEY HAVE in the past. It's not rocket science. ARE YOU ALL BLIND? THEY QUICKLY PATCHED UP OUR CHRISTMAS STARS TO GIVE THEM A 4 HOUR REUSE. THAT DIDN'T COME FROM KOREA.
Ncwest can and WILL make changes to content when it effects their bottom line. 24/7 free christmas vit would have effected their vit potion sales so they chopped it off at the knees. You all can't seriously be that naive, can you? Ncwest is full of professionals, they don't get paid to post on twitter all day like you all seem to imply! This is a business ladies and gentlemen, and you all better start acting like you are dealing with a business. Sace is not your friend, she may be a nice person but first and foremost she is an employee at a company that takes your money in return for services. When these services fail to appear, make some noise! This game is not free to play. Nothing is. You may not personally spend money in the cash shop but the rest of us are paying for you to play for free. We are paying for your free ride, and we have certain expectations that go beyond the flimsy terms of service we are forced to accept every time we log in.
Lineage 1 failed for the same re
Ohh I hear you.
Thing I came to think of recently that we might give too much credit to NCWest. During past seven years we were so fond and were trying to make then do that and that, but in the end we got dead game and now same thing even after they got second chance with GoD.
I reckon NCWest have even less resources than Innova and are just small budget firm with L2 license that got it's mouth full and dont have competence service such game.
I mean you must be lacking any self respect if you are developer or GM of this game, if after so many years, you log in game, create new character and see all the bots and rmts spamming the chat.
As about bots, the main problem is that the lifetime of common botting account is about 1 day. How so?
They create account. Create character. Do quests till level 38 (no need to do 2nd job quest). You may already noticed that bots DO quests. Run, talk to NPC, teleport, kill quest mobs, etc. Automatically. And 1 character receives 1 top D grade weapon, armor set and 1.5m adena cash. So lets say 2m adena. In 3-4 hours.
Then they create another character and repeat.
7 characters - 7*3 = about 21 hours. 7*2m = 14m adena.
Now, since bots don't use client, they use many many accounts at same time. Lets say 10 for a nice zeros in the end. 10 accounts will give them 140m adena per day. How much they sell it on shouts? $40 for 100m? $50 for 140m? $50 per day - nice business.
What happens next? Since bots dont use client, they dont use Game Guard. They are reported for that automatically and will be banned. Automatically. But only at maintance. Once per weak. All together.
But since bot account lifetime is 1 day, that doesn't matter. 6 days latter no one needs this account, furthemore, the adena they got already transfered many times, and sold for real money. Who cares that bot account is banned after that?
That's the problem. GMs dont come in time, and dont ban botting accounts in process. They do it once a week, when its far to late. So botters have no problem. And no matter how many times players report bots, it will be too late when they got banned.
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The only way to stop botters is to deny benefits of it.
All games have problems with bots. All. But good games got easy solution: sell adena for cash by developers. Let people to get adena legal, by buying ingame items and sell them on market. All staff that doesnt affect market directly: hats, XP items, teleports, etc. When people have legal way to make what they need - they wont use illegal ways.
That rule worked for digital music when iTunes was implemented.
That rule worked for digital video. Worked for software. Worked for books!
It worked in Eve Online, Perfect World, and tons of other games.
Do it, and there will be no bots, but perfect money for NCSoft.
As about bots, the main problem is that the lifetime of common botting account is about 1 day. How so?
They create account. Create character. Do quests till level 38 (no need to do 2nd job quest). You may already noticed that bots DO quests. Run, talk to NPC, teleport, kill quest mobs, etc. Automatically. And 1 character receives 1 top D grade weapon, armor set and 1.5m adena cash. So lets say 2m adena. In 3-4 hours.
Then they create another character and repeat.
7 characters - 7*3 = about 21 hours. 7*2m = 14m adena.
Now, since bots don't use client, they use many many accounts at same time. Lets say 10 for a nice zeros in the end. 10 accounts will give them 140m adena per day. How much they sell it on shouts? $40 for 100m? $50 for 140m? $50 per day - nice business.
What happens next? Since bots dont use client, they dont use Game Guard. They are reported for that automatically and will be banned. Automatically. But only at maintance. Once per weak. All together.
But since bot account lifetime is 1 day, that doesn't matter. 6 days latter no one needs this account, furthemore, the adena they got already transfered many times, and sold for real money. Who cares that bot account is banned after that?
That's the problem. GMs dont come in time, and dont ban botting accounts in process. They do it once a week, when its far to late. So botters have no problem. And no matter how many times players report bots, it will be too late when they got banned.
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The only way to stop botters is to deny benefits of it.
All games have problems with bots. All. But good games got easy solution: sell adena for cash by developers. Let people to get adena legal, by buying ingame items and sell them on market. All staff that doesnt affect market directly: hats, XP items, teleports, etc. When people have legal way to make what they need - they wont use illegal ways.
That rule worked for digital music when iTunes was implemented.
That rule worked for digital video. Worked for software. Worked for books!
It worked in Eve Online, Perfect World, and tons of other games.
Do it, and there will be no bots, but perfect money for NCSoft.
As about bots, the main problem is that the lifetime of common botting account is about 1 day. How so?
They create account. Create character. Do quests till level 38 (no need to do 2nd job quest). You may already noticed that bots DO quests. Run, talk to NPC, teleport, kill quest mobs, etc. Automatically. And 1 character receives 1 top D grade weapon, armor set and 1.5m adena cash. So lets say 2m adena. In 3-4 hours.
Then they create another character and repeat.
7 characters - 7*3 = about 21 hours. 7*2m = 14m adena.
Now, since bots don't use client, they use many many accounts at same time. Lets say 10 for a nice zeros in the end. 10 accounts will give them 140m adena per day. How much they sell it on shouts? $40 for 100m? $50 for 140m? $50 per day - nice business.
What happens next? Since bots dont use client, they dont use Game Guard. They are reported for that automatically and will be banned. Automatically. But only at maintance. Once per weak. All together.
But since bot account lifetime is 1 day, that doesn't matter. 6 days latter no one needs this account, furthemore, the adena they got already transfered many times, and sold for real money. Who cares that bot account is banned after that?
That's the problem. GMs dont come in time, and dont ban botting accounts in process. They do it once a week, when its far to late. So botters have no problem. And no matter how many times players report bots, it will be too late when they got banned.
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The only way to stop botters is to deny benefits of it.
All games have problems with bots. All. But good games got easy solution: sell adena for cash by developers. Let people to get adena legal, by buying ingame items and sell them on market. All staff that doesnt affect market directly: hats, XP items, teleports, etc. When people have legal way to make what they need - they wont use illegal ways.
That rule worked for digital music when iTunes was implemented.
That rule worked for digital video. Worked for software. Worked for books!
It worked in Eve Online, Perfect World, and tons of other games.
Do it, and there will be no bots, but perfect money for NCSoft.
Very nice explanation...
I just do not understand how NCsoft was controlling the bots as well and now dropped the ban hammer, was great before the expansion...
What happens next? Since bots dont use client, they dont use Game Guard. They are reported for that automatically and will be banned. Automatically. But only at maintance. Once per weak. All together.
But since bot account lifetime is 1 day, that doesn't matter. 6 days latter no one needs this account, furthemore, the adena they got already transfered many times, and sold for real money. Who cares that bot account is banned after that?
Well... thats weird because ive seen the same bot character ive reported before maintance, after it. Nick Entoy in Hot Springs
I saw bots in every place i xped and always the same race and gender.
Female destroyer with summoned buffalo to heal.
and to be honest... i reported every single i saw.
Even characters with full vesper/vorpal boting in Monastery of silence are without punish.
Yesterday chronos back to past and receive the chronicle 2 with some areas and level updates, lineage 2 age of splendor of destruction.
Lineage 2 without automated soulshots.
I agree,let some of the items in the L2 store be able to trade. L2 has always been stuck behind when it comes to gaming. It's almost 8 years old,but this is like beating a dead horse here. How many times is it going to come back from the dead? Tera release is coming and I'll honestly say I can't wait to try it. If it's good it'll be the nail in the coffin for L2.
ohh to bad it doesent work been waiting now sense the server came back upp. to bad its the only days iim free to play as much as i want and it wont work. back to work soon. hopfully its working tomorrow so i can make atleast 9 lvls now i lost about 18 hrs of exp >_< hope it works fine in somre hrs. and that we got a 1 day ep rune or something to atleast get something back from what we missed. :(
The only way to stop botters is to deny benefits of it.
All games have problems with bots. All. But good games got easy solution: sell adena for cash by developers. Let people to get adena legal, by buying ingame items and sell them on market. All staff that doesnt affect market directly: hats, XP items, teleports, etc. When people have legal way to make what they need - they wont use illegal ways.
That rule worked for digital music when iTunes was implemented.
That rule worked for digital video. Worked for software. Worked for books!
It worked in Eve Online, Perfect World, and tons of other games.
Do it, and there will be no bots, but perfect money for NCSoft.
Nearly all F2P model games offer items that can be bought with real money and turned into in-game currency, and it virtually dissolves RMT spammers in those games, while having NO adverse effect on gameplay, whatsoever. Hell, EVE Online has been *free*to*play* for YEARS. If you can make 300kk ISK in a month in EVE above your operating expenses (VERY VERY easy for anyone in a battleship or better), you can use it to buy a Pilot's License Extension, which is good for 1 month of game time (which someone DID purchase with real money, then sold in-game for ISK). This system to transfer real-world money into in-game currency has eliminated RMT spamming in the EVE universe, altogether.
Nearly all F2P model games offer items that can be bought with real money and turned into in-game currency, and it virtually dissolves RMT spammers in those games, while having NO adverse effect on gameplay, whatsoever. Hell, EVE Online has been *free*to*play* for YEARS. If you can make 300kk ISK in a month in EVE above your operating expenses (VERY VERY easy for anyone in a battleship or better), you can use it to buy a Pilot's License Extension, which is good for 1 month of game time (which someone DID purchase with real money, then sold in-game for ISK). This system to transfer real-world money into in-game currency has eliminated RMT spamming in the EVE universe, altogether.
I can concur with that - while the sum needed to play the game for free each month is now 480M ISK it's easily doable - a level 4 missions typically earns 10-30M and takes less than 2 hours
I haven't paid real money to play the game for 2 years. At one point I was able to support 12 accounts solely through mission running.
have you even bothered to read the rest of the forums and the emergency maint posts? quit trolling and lurk moar!
???? they take server down to fix issue, issue is still not fixed 24 hours later? Ive noticed that the fanboys have shut up. I guess the problem isn't so funny when it isnt fixed by the time they get home from work or school and cant play either.
???? they take server down to fix issue, issue is still not fixed 24 hours later? Ive noticed that the fanboys have shut up. I guess the problem isn't so funny when it isnt fixed by the time they get home from work or school and cant play either.
FanBoy still here!! just have nothing to say...
Go NCSOFT!!! keep good work!!!!
L2 was so much fun when ss was not automated !!! i have so much fun now!!!
ok stop kidding...
Can you at least keep up informed of what you do to solve problem... <--- not hoping that much after 7 years
That's from November. I'm pretty sure they're seeing a profit jump since moving to F2P.
Yes but you don't go hiring new people in the hopes that the next release will cover everyone you hire. You go off of the previous data which would be the Q3 since Q4 hasn't been released yet.
I was just putting that up for all of the why don't they have more GMs etc, well maybe it's because they can't afford more GMs lol.
Over 24 hours with no fix, how long will this go on? Aren't we entitled to some sort of update as to an estimated fix?
Thanks
ETA on the fix is ...................ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
The base of bug solving problem...
You never saw that bug... you try some solution... you find one work...So problem is solved...
Where can you give a ETA on something unless you know how to solve it... and when they will find how to fix it it will be because the server is up and no more lag issue... so they won't be able to say a ETA for the fix on Chronos...
And see the good point when they will solve this problem we will be the first who can play withou lag!
Yes there is. The mass bot bans came about through the same general action: ncsoft temporarily changed the login verification protocol and everyone logging in with a third party program would fail to logon. Everyone who failed to log on was then banned. Ncsoft simply chose not to continue to do this because they enjoyed recieving 15 dollars a month from each account. Mass bot bans coincideded almost exactly with visits from korean ncsoft represtatives. If you had been playing here since 2004, you should have had at least an inkling of this. Every time the server went down, either for regular or unschedual maintence in the old days, bots would hold off from logging in just in case ncsoft changed the protocol which would force the bot programs to be updated to use the correct one. Ncsoft also made it a point to police the servers heavily after every single update, which forced bots to "bot at their own risk" for at least a month after each update. Ncsoft has done practically nothing to stop bots in comparison to their past actions. People bot all day, everyday, with zero fear of reprocusion and this is unacceptable.
You can't stop people from trying to bot, but you can easily discourage them through various methods, many of which have all been employed by ncsoft in the past. To pretend that they suddenly don't have those tools is stupid and naive. Most likely, they no longer have the human resources to use those tools. As we have seen, what should have been a simple change to an event schedule has turned into a multiserver fiasco that has lasted all day long. It would appear that the people left at the ncsoft offices either lack the knowledge or experience to deal with our current problems.
Serious changes are required.
That's a nice little tidbit of info, however I stopped playing in 2007, and even when they 'changed the login protocol' there were still multitudes of bots. You could see them in AL and deleveling on the town guards (hell, even former clannies admitted to running their own bot trains during this time). As far as the 'login protocol' changes, it's only a matter of time until a developer with reasonable skill and a good wireshark parse can try to crack said protocol and implement in a third party program. In which case you now have to start over again.
Everything is broke, people are dying.
As far as stopping bots, and when I refer to bots, i'm talking about RMT bots, is to find an efficient way to keep people from purchasing their 'services'. The best way to counteract them would be to improve upon the items and services sold in the L2 Store.
Just another day in L2. I did miss this...
The server is WORSE today than it was yesterday. Im really tired of seeing the system message say "we are working dilligently.." when there is no NEW information or status.
The server is WORSE today than it was yesterday. Im really tired of seeing the system message say "we are working dilligently.." when there is no NEW information or status.
They either fix this issue like now. or their going to loosealot of players .
Ive seen over 50 people quit game already and even newbies in talking island. the complain and dissapear.
Bye bye lineage.
sace.... seriously? just an update on whats going on here.
Bartz lag is ridiculas. you cant do anything. AT ALL :--(
Thing is, if it had been just the wednesday update, then Naia would be lagging, which is not (I'm currently playing chars there that I had since 2006 and never bothered to play after a while). Magmeld would be lagging, but it's not. Shilen would be lagging, but it's not.
Especially Naia, since the same update that was applied on Chronos was applied on Naia in order to end the event. But Naia's working fine. Apart from, of course, the battle to log in, the shots are working, potions are working, NPCs are working.
So it seems the problem is just on Chronos and Bartz. There must be some problem with the information reaching the database or something like that. I'm no tech, but it definitely isn't just a matter of rolling back an update. If it had been THAT easy, then it would have been easy to fix it too.
acho que deveria paga assim !! assim não teria tantos problemas . o problema com as SS e antigo as pessoas que não notaram ,os bugs das (SS) aqui tem uma ideia boa fazer um serve para as crianças jogares de 100X assim não atrapalha que esta mais tempo no server..;) muito obrigado
I wasn't aware that the other servers were working fine, though, our server works fine too when it isn't under full load. Maybe your servers are less populated?
Or, maybe they made some changes to Chronos that they didn't make to the other servers. Un-do those differences, making all the servers uniform.
Also, replace all the Ethernet cables to the database server please.
I have to admit that is the most strange LAG i ever seen since it is not everything that lags the same moment but some stuff are working fine and others lag at the same second.
We still don't have an ETA right now for the fix as we are currently waiting for the development team to provide one. As soon as we receive it, we'll let you know immediately when it will be implemented.
We still don't have an ETA right now for the fix as we are currently waiting for the development team to provide one. As soon as we receive it, we'll let you know immediately when it will be implemented.
Around 5 minutes ago SS began to work, by the time I ported out they had stopped again so whatever you did it nearly worked....
Raise your hand if you agree that this bug was introduced with Wednesday's update.
Now how hard would it be to roll back the server software to before the update until they find the fix?
The problem is a roll back causes loss of xp, levels and anything such as weapons armor and drops that would of been gained between wednesday and now (that is if they were to roll the server back now).
I think a lot more people would be more annoyed at that than some lag issues.
We still don't have an ETA right now for the fix as we are currently waiting for the development team to provide one. As soon as we receive it, we'll let you know immediately when it will be implemented.
I hope they move fast because this isn't playable and sieges/tw are on Chronos this weekend.
The only way to stop botters is to deny benefits of it.
All games have problems with bots. All. But good games got easy solution: sell adena for cash by developers. Let people to get adena legal, by buying ingame items and sell them on market. All staff that doesnt affect market directly: hats, XP items, teleports, etc. When people have legal way to make what they need - they wont use illegal ways.
That rule worked for digital music when iTunes was implemented.
That rule worked for digital video. Worked for software. Worked for books!
It worked in Eve Online, Perfect World, and tons of other games.
Do it, and there will be no bots, but perfect money for NCSoft.
+1 I would definetly buy my kamael a Color Title if somebody could sell if to me. But because RMT is a bannable offence I have to buy NCoin and buy what I want or just live without it... Does it really matter who pays? Yes the person will have a lot of Adena, but since you get about 2kk for 1-38 quests does it really matter?
i actually leveled from 1-45 w/o any soulshots cuz i didnt know wtf they were or what they did(i didnt read the npc talk on low lvl quests, just objectives). so all this talk about i cant hunt blah blah blah cuz ss dont work is bs. quit qq'in, go hunt, sit in town, or do somethin better with ur time.
What about those ppl that got xp runes and that`? did they jsut waste their coins with the downtimes and all the ss lag, that makes it hard to go xp???
Do they get a new xp rune or are u slacking on getting this fix, so u hope ppl will buy more coins???
i actually leveled from 1-45 w/o any soulshots cuz i didnt know wtf they were or what they did(i didnt read the npc talk on low lvl quests, just objectives). so all this talk about i cant hunt blah blah blah cuz ss dont work is bs. quit qq'in, go hunt, sit in town, or do somethin better with ur time.
Try being 85+ and not use shots...we'll see how that works for you.
What about those ppl that got xp runes and that`? did they jsut waste their coins with the downtimes and all the ss lag, that makes it hard to go xp???
Do they get a new xp rune or are u slacking on getting this fix, so u hope ppl will buy more coins???
After the fix is implemented, compensation can be considered.
Try being 85+ and not use shots...we'll see how that works for you.
This.
I tried. Even the lowest mob at Swampland (the ghost box) wasn't hard, but it wasn't a piece of cake either. It took A LOT of MP to spam skills to kill it and it meant a lot of pauses.
So, my Yul Archer is now sitting in town waiting for them to fix our server :p
then multiply all damage by three.
but add the little effect that shows up when you hit something when you have a soulshot on otherwise the game would be boring ;)
Yeah "can be"
They already said in mails to ppl that petition it that it was to bad.
People read things how they want to read things. They said they will look into compensation once the issue is sorted. They don't 100+ forum posts of more people asking the same thing because they didn't the forums... Which is exactly what you just did my friend
People read things how they want to read things. They said they will look into compensation once the issue is sorted. They don't 100+ forum posts of more people asking the same thing because they didn't the forums... Which is exactly what you just did my friend
People read things how they want to read things. They said they will look into compensation once the issue is sorted. They don't 100+ forum posts of more people asking the same thing because they didn't the forums... Which is exactly what you just did my friend
Yeah, just like they will look into the problem, and look into this, look into that. It's a noncommittal maybe at best, and a gentle "lolbuggeroff" at worst. How many times has ncsoft apologized to the community last year? how many times did they say they would keep us up to date on an issue and never followed up on it? Most importantly, how many times have they ever compensated us. NEVER. The player base will only believe the lie of "lol sorry" for so long, then they get fed up and leave. You free to play players dont get it. We had 2 servers the day before f2p. Both had less than a thousand live players on them combined. The game was dead. And it was dead because people got tired of ncsoft's continously maybes and sorries and soons.
And before someone brings up the server merge territorial badges. That wasn't compensation. They out right lied to us about that. They only gave us what was due -_-
Yeah, just like they will look into the problem, and look into this, look into that. It's a noncommittal maybe at best, and a gentle "lolbuggeroff" at worst. How many times has ncsoft apologized to the community last year? how many times did they say they would keep us up to date on an issue and never followed up on it? Most importantly, how many times have they ever compensated us. NEVER. The player base will only believe the lie of "lol sorry" for so long, then they get fed up and leave. You free to play players dont get it. We had 2 servers the day before f2p. Both had less than a thousand live players on them combined. The game was dead. And it was dead because people got tired of ncsoft's continously maybes and sorries and soons.
And before someone brings up the server merge territorial badges. That wasn't compensation. They out right lied to us about that. They only gave us what was due -_-
FYI I was a p2p customer you are letting my join date deceive you, so please know your facts before posting utter ****.
Straight away my example will be the member ship renewal scheme which gave us Dynasty weapons for renewing. (Oh wait how could I possibly know that I am just a f2p customer) WRONG!
I never received my dynasty weapon box I had to wait an extra week... Everybody was compensated with in game items that had to wait....
The best compensation would be a server and service that actually works. It still blows me away how much NCsoft can keep screwing up over and over like this. This is a game of ultimate uncertainty, where the game is actually the idea of being able to play. But hey, at least we have $5 7-day mounts!
Straight away my example will be the member ship renewal scheme which gave us Dynasty weapons for renewing. (Oh wait how could I possibly know that I am just a f2p customer) WRONG!
I never received my dynasty weapon box I had to wait an extra week... Everybody was compensated with in game items that had to wait....
So they gave you what you paid for... how is that compensation? Do you know what compensation even means?
The best compensation would be a server and service that actually works. It still blows me away how much NCsoft can keep screwing up over and over like this. This is a game of ultimate uncertainty, where the game is actually the idea of being able to play. But hey, at least we have $5 7-day mounts!
So they gave you what you paid for... how is that compensation? Do you know what compensation even means?
Dude.... "Everybody that had to wait was compensated with in game items"
Which means when we finally got our weapon box we were given other items too....
Dude.... "Everybody that had to wait was compensated with in game items"
Which means when we finally got our weapon box we were given other items too....
I totally missed the last line in your post, my bad. Out of curiosity, what did these items include?
I totally missed the last line in your post, my bad. Out of curiosity, what did these items include?
It happens :)
We were give vitality items
5 Chocolate cookies if I remember correctly which at the time pre GoD refilled vitality but I think they changed them to just partly refills it but can not be 100% sure
due to the shots not working propperly i am unable to lvl :( till this is fixed i will not play unless i'm on my sub which is a nuker i love l2 but this
is a bit much i'm kinda ****** off cause i'm trying to get a mentee scroll but can't cause i die to due the shots not working right i have faith in ncsoft getting it fixed its just gonna take some time :D
i actually leveled from 1-45 w/o any soulshots cuz i didnt know wtf they were or what they did(i didnt read the npc talk on low lvl quests, just objectives). so all this talk about i cant hunt blah blah blah cuz ss dont work is bs. quit qq'in, go hunt, sit in town, or do somethin better with ur time.
It's completely different at higher levels. In the time you go from level 1-40 a 9x toon won't even get 10% of 1 level. Kill speed and soul/bless shots make a huge difference as you get to higher levels.
Lol put it back to pay to play if you can't get rid of the bots that I'm seeing all over the place xD
I'm also an old player, started in 2005, the bot situation is terrible. You try and do your quests and bam theres the bots killing the mobs you need.
Customer support has always been bad on L2, they just don't seem to care about it, which is why I switched to another well known game, because at least they fix their bugs. the only time you heard an L2 GM before was to ban someone for something stupid lol.
There are still bugs in game from when I first started playing, NCSoft are trying to do way too much at once, look at the amount of games they have. Come on now, if you can't handle them then don't make so many.
I don't normally moan about things like this as it is free, but this is bad and the fact they are taking their time to fix it doesn't help.
I'm off back to sleep, was hoping to get a bit of cheeky leveling in while things were quiet, but I don't really feel like killing my chars.
Night all. I wouldn't suggest that you wait around in game.
Lol put it back to pay to play if you can't get rid of the bots that I'm seeing all over the place xD
I'm also an old player, started in 2005, the bot situation is terrible. You try and do your quests and bam theres the bots killing the mobs you need.
Customer support has always been bad on L2, they just don't seem to care about it, which is why I switched to another well known game, because at least they fix their bugs. the only time you heard an L2 GM before was to ban someone for something stupid lol.
There are still bugs in game from when I first started playing, NCSoft are trying to do way too much at once, look at the amount of games they have. Come on now, if you can't handle them then don't make so many.
I don't normally moan about things like this as it is free, but this is bad and the fact they are taking their time to fix it doesn't help.
I'm off back to sleep, was hoping to get a bit of cheeky leveling in while things were quiet, but I don't really feel like killing my chars.
Night all. I wouldn't suggest that you wait around in game.
free or not ur gonna have bots no matter what u do i mean ya ok there won't be as many if had to pay to play but ur still gonna have bots when i started playing in c4 there used be tons of bots i don't notice them as much now as i did back in c4 or i'm just used to it that i really don't notice it anymore
Any news? =/
Almost 3 days, something really bad must happened.
As Juji posted on the previous page, there is no update to share at this time. We are stressed this issue with developers but we are still waiting for a fix. As soon as we get it we'll implement it, and then look into possible compensation for this negative experience players are having.
People read things how they want to read things. They said they will look into compensation once the issue is sorted. They don't 100+ forum posts of more people asking the same thing because they didn't the forums... Which is exactly what you just did my friend
I'm Curious, you said French Toast 100+ posted on the forums ... I find that odd since French Toast has 11 posts total. :eek:
As Juji posted on the previous page, there is no update to share at this time. We are stressed this issue with developers but we are still waiting for a fix. As soon as we get it we'll implement it, and then look into possible compensation for this negative experience players are having.
Left myself alive in town and found myself dead in town with full hp/cp this morning and so did other people. Should we expect more of this deleveling while offline events on Chronos sever? Because we did loose xp.
acho que deveria paga assim !! assim não teria tantos problemas . o problema com as SS e antigo as pessoas que não notaram ,os bugs das (SS) aqui tem uma ideia boa fazer um serve para as crianças jogares de 100X assim não atrapalha que esta mais tempo no server..;) muito obrigado
Try use english talk here mate and ... Go back for you private server.
before 1 pm gmt+1 there was not a single lag, ss were on, everything were working fine...
at 1 pm we got announcement : greetings adventurers blablabla
just after this announcement ubber lag XD
if ever u could just tell us in game when you are loading somthing on server, it would avoid stupid deaths ^^
gl with fix ;)
before 1 pm gmt+1 there was not a single lag, ss were on, everything were working fine...
at 1 pm we got announcement : greetings adventurers blablabla
just after this announcement ubber lag XD
if ever u could just tell us in game when you are loading somthing on server, it would avoid stupid deaths ^^
gl with fix ;)
I noticed that too. Everything was working fine until the GM message came up, then instantly soulshots quit working.
Or BOTs just started to login in to summon their stupid Event fairys and get some Light fragments while they're AFK in some corner on the map with names like BMW001, BMW002, BMW003, K001, K002, K003, K004. So nice that we can't report them in peace zones a? :)
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience players are currently experiencing with issues of lag on all servers. The problem will be addressed during an emergency maintenance on Chronos on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 1pm PDT / 3pm CDT / 4pm EDT / 9pm UTC/GMT. The maintenance will last approximately 30 minutes.
Update: Technical issues continue, maintenance extended indefinitely until a solution is found.
Yes, the fix did not work. We are seeing lag on Chronos return intermittently. At this time there is no fix. Once we get one we'll post an update and say what will happen.
Bartz have this problem too atm...soulshots,delay on speaking to npc's , potions problem .. etc :/ hope u take a look there too! thanks
FYI I was a p2p customer you are letting my join date deceive you, so please know your facts before posting utter ****.
Straight away my example will be the member ship renewal scheme which gave us Dynasty weapons for renewing. (Oh wait how could I possibly know that I am just a f2p customer) WRONG!
I never received my dynasty weapon box I had to wait an extra week... Everybody was compensated with in game items that had to wait....
Evasummoner constantly assumes one's forum register date is that actual game join date also. I've been in game since beta,but my forum join date doesn't reflect it. It would be nice if he/she would stop tossing that out as a dig when it isn't correct. Makes you look like a ignorant forum troll. kthx
i wanna to congrats every1 on nc soft for beem the lazyer company on game industry. this type of thing just show how much they really care about this game and its community.
nc is now getting all records for a bad company ....
if the server is ***ed up why u dont take it down? why let it up ? to mess even the DB and get the fixing harder? or give players the false thinking oh maybe its working now?
even valve takes more care of their games than nc.
really THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT NC, SINCE BETA YOU JUST DONT GIVE A **** ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPEN IS THIS GAME. if u guys dont wanna spend time with lineage2 just do as u did with lineage and close the servers.... for real even $10 AOL servers dont passes 3 days lagging like this.